Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with documents for Manoel Marquez Pereira (1747? -1821)

[Eric Souza]

Thank you! I had gone right by it! Ugh! And yes, I would love to learn to 
read these better - how often do you go to Salt Lake City?

Here is what I think is the pertinent data ...

11 Nov 1771
Manoel Marques Pereira
Son of Manoel Marques Alfonso and Maria Simoy (?)

Barbara Goularte de Oliveira
daughter of Antão Teixeira and Luzia Goularte

I appreciate the help!

- Eric


On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 6:31:44 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> The marriage of Manoel Marques and Barbara Goularte is top right: 
> http://goo.gl/dUYQOt
>
> It looks like in the body they wrote the groom as Manoel Marques P^a and 
> the bride as Barbara Goularte dOlivr^a.
>
> I'm going to let you try it first by yourself.
>
> You need to come to Salt Lake with us to learn how to read these better.
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with documents for Manoel Marquez Pereira (1747? -1821)

[Eric Souza]

Thanks again for your help on this! I will look into the trip - sounds like 
an amazing experience!

- Eric

On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 8:31:24 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Yes, you have the date and most of the names.
> Groom's mother is Maria Simoes (it looks like a "Y") but it's a "es." 
> Weird, but you'll get used to that script.
>
> At the bottom it says everyone is from that church, so you should be able 
> to find the baptisms there. Further research will let you know where they 
> pick up the Pereira and d'Oliveira from (I did see another Manuel Marques a 
> few years before, so yours is trying to distinguish himself from the other 
> one).
>
> We aim to get a group of researchers together about every 18 months or so 
> and go to Salt Lake City. Our last trip was in April of 2015. The upcoming 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with documents for Manoel Marquez Pereira (1747? -1821)

[Eric Souza]

I was combing through the obits and found one for a 5th great-hgrandfather, 
Manoel Marquez Pereira ...
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-O-1770-1826/SJR-CH-TOPO-O-1770-1826_item1/P290.html

If I am reading this correctly, I think it says he died 26 Jun 1821 ... if 
he was 74 at death (I think?), that would mean he was born in 1747ish ...

Since I don't have the records for who his parents were, I looked up the 
birth records for 1746 forward, and found one from (again, I think) 1 Jan 
1748 (top right) ... wondering if someone could take a look and let me know 
if they think these match up? And can you help me identify the parents and 
if it says anything else? It looks like the mother would be Barbara Pereira,
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1742-1762/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1742-1762_item1/P94.html

Thank you!!

- Eric

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with documents for Manoel Marquez Pereira (1747? -1821)

[Eric Souza]

OK, good tip, thank you!

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 11:56:22 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Yes, Manuel Marques Pereira died 26 June 1821 aged 74 more or less.
>
> Don't go looking for Manoel's baptism yet. Go find his marriage to Barbara 
> Goularte. That will give his parents' names and then you will be sure you 
> have the right Manoel.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with documents for Manoel Marquez Pereira (1747? -1821)

[Eric Souza]

Unfortunately no luck so far ... I looked through all of the Topo marriage 
records, and couldn't find it ... many of them were in bad shape, so it's 
entirely possible that it's there, but just not legible.

While looking through other records, though, I did find something that I 
would love all of your experienced eyes (bottom left of this one) ...
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828_item1/P140.html

It shows this is the birth record of Manoel, a grandson (paternally) of 
Manoel Marquez Pereira and Barbora Goularte ... but I couldn't make out the 
names of the parents ... can someone help there?

Thanks!
- Eric



On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 12:14:36 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> OK, good tip, thank you!
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 11:56:22 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Manuel Marques Pereira died 26 June 1821 aged 74 more or less.
>>
>> Don't go looking for Manoel's baptism yet. Go find his marriage to 
>> Barbara Goularte. That will give his parents' names and then you will be 
>> sure you have the right Manoel.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Eric Souza]

Fingers crossed! You guys are great - thank you. I'm excited that I'll get 
to spend some time dedicated to learning more about all of this in Salt 
Lake City.

On a separate note, my wife is from Mexico - I've been able to find some 
records through the churches and death records from hospitals, but do you 
know anything about if/how Mexican records are kept in Salt Lake City as 
well? Obviously I'm going for the Portuguese seminars and to learn from you 
guys, but it would be great to dig into that a little as well.


On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:49:58 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Wow, this is great, Eric.  At least that side of the family is listed so 
> Alexander may be in the same council. I will check out the film on Tuesday. 
>
> Rosemarie 
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> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> AWESOME! I love this, thank you so much! Now that I have been pointed in 
>> the right direction, I can dig into this ... thank you again!
>>
>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Eric Souza]

Very good point. I do have my grandfather's social, so that's a good hint 
... I'll look into how to get that. At least, it might let me know his 
county of birth, so I wouldn't have to pay for another record and get a No 
File Found reply. Could have been born in Alameda for that matter, as the 
other Alexander S Borba was in Oakland. And I'll check the Marin Genealogy 
Society as well. Or, I could see if maybe a small donation could help 
encourage the church to open their books.

It's been a lot of fun, digging into the research - I really appreciate 
your suggestions and help! 


On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:35:36 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> You're not going to like this.
>
> CA did not start recording births until 1905. They were not required until 
> 1949!!! If he received Social Security though, he may have filed a Delayed 
> Certificate of Birth.
>
> I checked for a Random Act of Genealogical Kindness, but see none who do 
> church records. You may want to contact the Marin County Genealogy Society 
> and see if anyone there will do church records: 
> http://www.maringensoc.org/Research.
>
> My immigrants came in 1901 & 1903. They were missed on the 1910 and the 
> 1920 censuses. They were out working when the census taker came by (well, 
> the 1910, they may have been moving to CA). 
>
> You should check the Passaportes out of the Azores too (once you narrow 
> down the immigration date). You don't know if that illegal immigration 
> story is true or not.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Eric Souza]

Well, everything between his birth and marriage at this point is conjecture 
... I would love to know when he came to the US, and what family he ended 
up with in the Bay Area ...

I'm sorry for the ignorant question, but I'm still learning - what are UPEC 
records?

Thank you!!

- Eric


On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 11:18:04 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric, what exactly are you trying to find? Your grandfather's place 
> between his landing in the US and his marriage?? I don't think that you are 
> going to find out how he ended up in Saucelito unless he had family he was 
> coming to live with?? We sometimes find all of the docs we can and still 
> never know the reasoning behind a move to a certain place. Usually it's 
> because they had other Portuguese from their village or family in that 
> place. I see that you haven't looked at the UPEC records for that area. I 
> will look at the film on Tues when I go to work at the Family History Cntr 
> here and see what I can find for you. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Dear Conterrâneos,
>>
>> I’ve been researching my Souza family heritage (Souza, Borba and Cunha 
>> descendants from São Jorge) and specifically how my great-grandfather came 
>> to Sausalito in the late 1800s (or possibly very early 1900s). A few months 
>> ago, this forum helped me identify the birth record for my 
>> great-grandfather, Alexander Souza 
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889_item1/P92.html>,
>>  
>> from Topo. I'm so grateful!
>>
>> My great-grandfather, Alexander Souza, was born August 7, 1882, in Topo, 
>> São Jorge, and died March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. His parents were Manoel 
>> Jozé da Cunha and Roza Delfina – he was the only son with the Souza surname 
>> – his four siblings were all named da Cunha, but his grandparents were de 
>> Sousa de Borba (which is likely why he was named Souza?). He had three 
>> sisters on São Jorge, and one brother - João da Cunha (born 1885 on São 
>> Jorge).
>>
>> He was also known on his probate (here is a link to download his probate 
>> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57041182/Alex-Souza-Probate.pdf>) 
>> as “Alexander Souza Borba” and “Alexander S Borba”.
>>
>> Family legend says he was a whaler. Since there are no records that I 
>> have found for him immigrating legally (no voting records in Marin County, 
>> CA, or listings on the Atlantic ship manifests into New Bedford), I am 
>> guessing he came over illegally on a whaling boat in 1897 or early 1898 
>> when he was 15, to avoid conscription to the Portuguese military – required 
>> at age 16.
>>
>> He might have come on a whaling ship to one of the east coast ports. If 
>> so, once he jumped ship in New England (I’m assuming New Bedford), he would 
>> have likely taken the train over to San Francisco. I have been in contact 
>> with the New Bedford Whaling Museum, and they said they only have records 
>> of the whalemen who shipped from the port of New Bedford. But if I can 
>> identify the name of a vessel, they I could contact Joan Barney, the 
>> librarian in the genealogy room at the New Bedford library. Apparently, 
>> they have some shipping records in their collection for a select number of 
>> vessels and some of them do list the names of those who joined mid-voyage.
>>
>> Again, that's all speculation on my part. There were no Atlantic whalers 
>> that went on pacific voyages after 1892, so he wouldn't have taken a boat 
>> directly to San Francisco.
>>
>> There is no record that I have found of him between his birth and his 
>> marriage in 1907 to Mary Catan Mancebo in Sausalito.
>>
>> There were dairies in Sausalito and Mill Valley (specifically Tennessee 
>> Valley) that were owned by immigrants from São Jorge. A da Cunha family (I 
>> think it was Manoel Ferreira da Cunha, born Oct 1848, São Jorge) owned a 
>> large dairy there. Then there was another dairy shown on the 1880 Census by 
>> partners Antonio Souza (born about 1850), Antonio Borba (1853), August 
>> Silva (1846) and Manuel Souza (1859). I'm guessing that these were possibly 
>> cousins, but I haven't been able to identify the connection to any of them. 
>>
>> There was also an Alexander Souza showing up in Point Reyes (western 
>> Marin County) on the 1900 census, but the ages don’t match up … also an 
>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Eric Souza]

Another item to note - Alexander had married Mary Catan Mancebo in 
Sausalito, and on the 1910 census, I don't see Alex and Mary ... the rest 
of the Mancebo family is there, as well as some Souza and Borba families, 
but I can't find them in 1910! Wondering if he didn't want to be counted, 
if he was there illegally ...


On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:16:59 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> Hi all! Thanks so much! Yes, Carrie is my sister and Bob is my father, but 
> this family history was always a mystery until recently ... the 1896 Ellis 
> Island information mentioned above is something that I haven't seen, though 
> it's someplace to look, definitely!
>
> Thank you for sharing the UPEC information - there is so much that I don't 
> know!! 
>
> Alex was in Sausalito in 1910 - they had my grandfather in 1909. I 
> submitted a request for my grandfather, Edward's birth record from Marin 
> County, and received a "File Not Found" response. I will try San Francisco, 
> because I would really like to have that ... 
>
> The church where he was baptized, Star of the Sea Church in Sausalito, 
> told me to go in person and I can look at the books, but they don't have 
> the resources to look up genealogy requests. :-/
>
> Can't wait to meet all of you in SLC - I bought my plane ticket and have 
> my room reserved! Sending the check for the registration on Monday.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> - Eric
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 2:54:33 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Marilyn, this sounds like they could all be relatives of Eric's. 
>> Hopefully he may be able to connect with them if he doesn't know them. The 
>> immigration info is there to check too. 
>> Are we going to see you sometime the week we are in SLC?? 
>> Hope to see you! 
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson <mar...@jmtmlt.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did a little looking around and found this post. It does not give much 
>>> information, but it looks like it could be from someone related to you. 
>>> Also the second one has arrival information. Notice that both of these 
>>> posts are old, but worth a try.  This is the link where these were located: 
>>> http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/sjorge.html
>>>
>>> *Carrie Souza*, 163 Clark Street, San >Rafael, Ca. 94901, USA
>>> Email: magi...@pacbell.net
>>> Date submitted: before 1998
>>> Village: Unknown 
>>> Surnames: Souza, Mancebo, De Souza, Caetano (Quietano), Maciel.
>>> Comments: I am trying to learn about my relatives form the Azores. My 
>>> grandfather was Edward Alexander Souza, born 10/21/09 died, 8/21/94 in 
>>> Sausalito, Ca. Great grandmother was Mary Catan Mancebo born 02/18/1888 
>>> died 11/22/20 in Sausalito. Mary Catan Mancebo's mother was Mercianna 
>>> Emilia Maciel, born in 1861 in the Azores. On 01/07/1886, Maricianna 
>>> married José Quientano Mancebo, born in 1885 in the Azores. Jose mother was 
>>> Barbara Emilia Quietano and his father was Antonio Quietano. Marcianna's 
>>> mother was Maria Santo Maciel and her father was João José Maciel. Great 
>>> grandfather was Alexander De Souza, born in 1883 in São Jorge and died 
>>> 03/13/15. All I know of Alexander's father was that he was born in São 
>>> Jorge and died in Portugal.
>>>
>>> There was a second post:
>>>
>>> *Robert Souza*, 129 Round Court, Petaluma, CA 94952
>>> Email: souz...@att.net  or  souz...@mac.com
>>> Date submitted: 19 Aug 2010
>>> Location: Sao Jorge (village unknown)
>>> Surname: Souza
>>> Comments: My husband, Robert Souza and I are going to the Azores in two 
>>> weeks.  He would like to locate any relatives from his grandfather's side.  
>>> His grandfather’s name was *Alexander Souza *and came through Ellis 
>>> Island in 1896.  Ellis Island had him listed as Alexander De Souza. We 
>>> believe he was born around 1880.  Everything states that he came from *Sao 
>>> Jorge, Portugal *but doesn't tell us anything else.  We know of no 
>>> other relatives of his that emigrated.  If we had a birth village we could 
>>> locate records and perhaps relatives.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rca...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eric, the  UPEC is/was a Fraternal Organization that sold insurance 
>>>> policies 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Eric Souza]

No, I believe these are different Alexanders ... I'm guessing this is my 
Alex's godfather, Alexander S Borba, living in the East Bay ... I actually 
requested and received their marriage certificate - will look for that and 
will scan it to review again.

Interestingly enough, also, there was an Edward Souza born to a Mary Souza 
(formerly Rose) in Alameda on 16 Oct 1908, one year before my grandfather's 
birth. My grandfather's social security info shows his birth as 21 Oct 1909 
... so maybe Godfather has an Edward Souza, and a year later, godson has an 
Edward Souza? Something odd there, but that's my assumption ...


On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:48:53 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Was Alex married before?
> Alexander S. Borba married Mary Rose on May 23, 1903, Book 30, page 266, 
> Alameda Co.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Eric Souza]

I hadn't tried that! Thanks for the suggestion.

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:50:20 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric, you might try Eddie Souza because that's what my uncle is listed as 
> on his birth cert. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Eric Souza]

AWESOME! I love this, thank you so much! Now that I have been pointed in 
the right direction, I can dig into this ... thank you again!

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:47:22 PM UTC-7, Susan Vargas Murphy wrote:
>
> Eric….I copied some of the UPEC records and happen to have Sausalito on my 
> computer. I am leaving on a trip and really did not have time to do a 
> through search, but I did look through all of the membership pages 
> quickly..I have 43 images, with the members name on one side and the 
> beneficiary on the next page.  I did find your great-great grandfather? 
> Jose Caetano Mancebo, member #16 on October 16, 1893, age 37 and his 
> beneficiary on the next page is his wife, Merciana M. He is from Sao Jorge….
> doesn’t help you much but will add to your collection of evidence….You 
> should get this film and look at your leisure as you may see more 
> connections.  I also saw one of their children, Joseph Mancebo, age 23 in 
> 1909,….mother is Merciana listed as “mai”
> Sorry I don’t have time to do any more…will attach here
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> On Jun 12, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
> No, I believe these are different Alexanders ... I'm guessing this is my 
> Alex's godfather, Alexander S Borba, living in the East Bay ... I actually 
> requested and received their marriage certificate - will look for that and 
> will scan it to review again.
>
> Interestingly enough, also, there was an Edward Souza born to a Mary Souza 
> (formerly Rose) in Alameda on 16 Oct 1908, one year before my grandfather's 
> birth. My grandfather's social security info shows his birth as 21 Oct 1909 
> ... so maybe Godfather has an Edward Souza, and a year later, godson has an 
> Edward Souza? Something odd there, but that's my assumption ...
>
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:48:53 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Was Alex married before?
>> Alexander S. Borba married Mary Rose on May 23, 1903, Book 30, page 266, 
>> Alameda Co.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with documents for Manoel Marquez Pereira (1747? -1821)

[Eric Souza]

I've checked out the site for the research trip, and it sounds amazing! 
Talking with my wife to see if we can manage to make it happen ...

Thanks, way to enable my addiction! ;-)


On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 7:45:38 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Wish we were in Pico too!! LOL We'll have to settle for helping people 
> find their Island!! 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 7:01 AM, nancy jean baptiste <fishso...@hotmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Just reading this is making me wish I could be there this year! I'm 
>> disappointed but I'll be in Picomaybe next time!
>>
>>
>> Have fun!
>>
>> Nancy Jean
>> --
>> *From:* 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> >
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2016 8:10:44 PM
>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with documents for Manoel Marquez 
>> Pereira (1747? -1821) 
>>  
>> Cheri, you forgot about the spa.  It is a great place to sit in the sauna 
>> and just catch up with others in the group.
>>
>> Sorry I can't make it this time.
>>
>> Celeste
>>
>> Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com 
>>
>> 
>> On Wed, 6/8/16, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with documents for Manoel Marquez 
>> Pereira (1747? -1821)
>>  To: "Azores Genealogy" <azo...@googlegroups.com >
>>  Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2016, 12:37 PM
>>  
>>  The
>>  amount of noise we make down there on the International
>>  Floor when researching - I guess they are used to large
>>  groups (we sit away from the Information Desk so we
>>  don't drive them crazy). One evening, Nancy Jean
>>  commandeered the TV in the hotel lobby away from the guy
>>  watching the ball game - just so a bunch of us could watch
>>  Who Do You Think You Are.  Another time, Celeste (and
>>  probably me) rearranged the furniture in the hotel lobby
>>  just so we could all hang out together afterwards (we put it
>>  back). Sometimes, a few us hang out in the hotel library/TV
>>  room until midnight, still doing our thing. The guy in the
>>  gift shop is pretty accommodating too. They have a bit of
>>  coffee, snacks, and bananas, as well as the usual trinkets.
>>  We've gone over to JB's (the coffee shop attached to
>>  the hotel) with a large group too. All this on top of the
>>  classes and research assistance that you receive. We just
>>  like to have fun and try our hardest to make people
>>  successful.
>>  Cheri
>>  
>>  Cheri Mello
>>  Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>  Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>  Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>  
>>  On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at
>>  12:10 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rca...@gmail.com >
>>  wrote:
>>  Eric, you would have a good
>>  time and learn a lot. It's just fun being with others
>>  that are doing the same as you. Not only do you have classes
>>  during the day but Cheri and I work with you (and others)
>>  one-on-one in the evenings. Hope you think about coming with
>>  us all! 
>>  Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao
>>  Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico,
>>  Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia,
>>  Sicily
>>  
>>  On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at
>>  11:25 AM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com >
>>  wrote:
>>  Thanks again for your help on this! I will look
>>  into the trip - sounds like an amazing
>>  experience!
>>  -
>>  Eric
>>  
>>  On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 8:31:24 AM UTC-7,
>>  Cheri Mello wrote:Yes, you have the date and
>>  most of the names.
>>  Groom's mother
>>  is Maria Simoes (it looks like a "Y") but it's
>>  a "es." Weird, but you'll get used to that
>>  script.
>>  
>>  At the bottom
>>  it says everyone is from that church, so you should be able
>>  to find the baptisms there. Further research will let you
>>  know where they pick up the Pereira and d'Oliveira from
>>  (I did see another Manuel Marques a few years before, so
>>  yours is trying to distinguish himself from the other
>>  one).
>>  
>>  We aim to get a
>>  group of researchers together about every 18 months or so
>>  and go to Salt Lake City. Our last

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with documents for Manoel Marquez Pereira (1747? -1821)

[Eric Souza]

OK, guys, looks like you're going to be stuck with me! I will be able to 
come out for the conference, and am looking forward to it! My wife won't be 
able to come, since she'll be taking care of the monkeys. Can't wait to 
meet all of you and learn a lot!


On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 3:46:29 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric, hope you and your wife can make it! If you have a trailer there is 
> also a campground near. I think it's a KOA but not sure. One of our other 
> attendees camps there ever time he comes with his wife! If you are 
> interested, let me or Cheri know and we will put you in contact with John 
> Goulart. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I've checked out the site for the research trip, and it sounds amazing! 
>> Talking with my wife to see if we can manage to make it happen ...
>>
>> Thanks, way to enable my addiction! ;-)
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 7:45:38 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>>
>>> Wish we were in Pico too!! LOL We'll have to settle for helping people 
>>> find their Island!! 
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie 
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 7:01 AM, nancy jean baptiste <
>>> fishso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just reading this is making me wish I could be there this year! I'm 
>>>> disappointed but I'll be in Picomaybe next time!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have fun!
>>>>
>>>> Nancy Jean
>>>> --
>>>> *From:* 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <azo...@googlegroups.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2016 8:10:44 PM
>>>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with documents for Manoel 
>>>> Marquez Pereira (1747? -1821) 
>>>>  
>>>> Cheri, you forgot about the spa.  It is a great place to sit in the 
>>>> sauna and just catch up with others in the group.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry I can't make it this time.
>>>>
>>>> Celeste
>>>>
>>>> Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 6/8/16, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with documents for Manoel Marquez 
>>>> Pereira (1747? -1821)
>>>>  To: "Azores Genealogy" <azo...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>  Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2016, 12:37 PM
>>>>  
>>>>  The
>>>>  amount of noise we make down there on the International
>>>>  Floor when researching - I guess they are used to large
>>>>  groups (we sit away from the Information Desk so we
>>>>  don't drive them crazy). One evening, Nancy Jean
>>>>  commandeered the TV in the hotel lobby away from the guy
>>>>  watching the ball game - just so a bunch of us could watch
>>>>  Who Do You Think You Are.  Another time, Celeste (and
>>>>  probably me) rearranged the furniture in the hotel lobby
>>>>  just so we could all hang out together afterwards (we put it
>>>>  back). Sometimes, a few us hang out in the hotel library/TV
>>>>  room until midnight, still doing our thing. The guy in the
>>>>  gift shop is pretty accommodating too. They have a bit of
>>>>  coffee, snacks, and bananas, as well as the usual trinkets.
>>>>  We've gone over to JB's (the coffee shop attached to
>>>>  the hotel) with a large group too. All this on top of the
>>>>  classes and research assistance that you receive. We just
>>>>  like to have fun and try our hardest to make people
>>>>  successful.
>>>>  Cheri
>>>>  
>>>>  Cheri Mello
>>>>  Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>  Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>>  Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>  
>>>>  On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at
>>>>  12:10 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rca...@gmail.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>  Eric, you would have a good
>>>>  time and learn a lot. It's just fun being with others
&g

[AZORES-Genealogy] Passports on culturacores.azores.gov

[Eric Souza]

I haven't looked through the passports on this site yet: 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/passaportes/Default.aspx

If my ancestors are from Topo, São Jorge, should I be looking at Angra do 
Heroísmo? The only options on the site are Ponta Delgada, Angra do Heroísmo 
and Horta. Were there no office for passports on São Jorge?

Thanks,
Eric

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jozé? João?

[Eric Souza]

Thank you! Still hunting for one record, but getting sidetracked by dozens 
of other minor "hits" ...

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 1:08:38 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I think it's Joao. I see a few "z" in this document. Also image 204 has a 
> Joze on the lower right.
>
> Yes, 6 June 1813
>
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> Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Jozé? João?

[Eric Souza]

Can someone help me identify the name in the bottom left here?
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815_item1/P208.html

I've been poring through the birth records again, and filling in aunts and 
uncles ... I think this is João, but might be Jozé? And is it 6 Jun 1813?

Thanks!
- Eric

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passports on culturacores.azores.gov

[Eric Souza]

I've been hunting for a passport for Alexander, and came across this - a 
real possibility for Alexander's mother ...

7 Nov 1897
Passport for Rosa Delfina de Borba from Calheta ... headed to New Bedford 
...
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1896-1902/PASSAPORTES-TER-1896-1902_item1/P53.html

My great-great-grandmother, Roza Delfina was the daughter of Anna Delfina 
and António de Sousa de Borba ... 

But it says (please correct me if I'm wrong!) she is traveling with her 
natural son, Antonio ... I don't have any record of an Antonio, son of Roza 
...

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passports on culturacores.azores.gov

[Eric Souza]

Thank you!

Top left here - does this say Roza Delfina? 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1890-1896/PASSAPORTES-TER-1890-1896_item1/P275.html

- Eric

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passports on culturacores.azores.gov

[Eric Souza]

Thank you! My great-great-grandmother is Roza Delfina - I'll look into this 
to see if this might be a second marriage, though I don't think so, since 
I've never seen a reference to her as Delfina de Bettencourt.


On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 2:31:20 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Scratch that, Maria Delfina  is going to the USA, not her parents!! Mother 
> is de Bettencourt. 
>
> Rosemarie 
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rca...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Eric, it starts on the bottom of the previous page with Maria Delfina, 20 
>> years old, daughter of Joaquim d'Azevedo da Silveira and Roza Delfina. They 
>> are going to the United States (in margin) and are from S. Jorge. 
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Scratch that, Roza Delfina de Bettencourt ... 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 1:33:50 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Top left here - does this say Roza Delfina? 
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1890-1896/PASSAPORTES-TER-1890-1896_item1/P275.html
>>>>
>>>> - Eric
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passports on culturacores.azores.gov

[Eric Souza]

Scratch that, Roza Delfina de Bettencourt ... 

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 1:33:50 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> Thank you!
>
> Top left here - does this say Roza Delfina? 
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1890-1896/PASSAPORTES-TER-1890-1896_item1/P275.html
>
> - Eric
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Great suggestion! However in this case, Antónia de São José was the mother 
of Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - pai incognito ... :(

Thanks for the advice!

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 8:46:29 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric, I'm answering you in both places! 
>
> try looking at the baptisms right before her (Antonia's) marriage. 
> Sometimes the baptism isn't found by the Priest (forgot to enter it in the 
> book!) and the woman getting married has to be rebaptised right before her 
> marriage. This happened in my greatgrandmom's case. In order to be married 
> in the Catholic Church you had to be baptised and somehow recording her 
> baptism may have been missed. 
>
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I've been searching for the birth record for my third 
>> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the 
>> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - 
>> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal 
>> line ends.
>>
>> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>>
>> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
>> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
>> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
>> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>>
>> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>>
>> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I 
>> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a 
>> few years before and after.
>>
>> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> - Eric
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Here is the marriage record for Manoel, her son ...

On 10 January 1875, in Topo, São Jorge Island, Manuel José da Cunha, 32, 
single, shoemaker, natural son of Antónia de São José, married to Rosa 
Delfina 20, single, legitimate daughter of António de Sousa de Borba and 
Ana Delfina, all native of Topo, São Jorge Island. Witnesses were José 
Lopes Constantino da Silveira, landowner, and José Vieira de Sousa Enes, 
church’s treasurer, all living in the same village. Only the witnesses can 
write.


So I assume she was alive - and unmarried? as of 1875, at her son's wedding 
...



On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:47:38 AM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> I don't have her death record - that's also in the "hunting for" pile ...
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:26:56 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Good Luck, Eric! Are you positive she didn't get married to the father 
>> somewhere down-the-line? Did you find her death record saying she was 
>> single?? 
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

I don't have her death record - that's also in the "hunting for" pile ...

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:26:56 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Good Luck, Eric! Are you positive she didn't get married to the father 
> somewhere down-the-line? Did you find her death record saying she was 
> single?? 
>
> Rosemarie
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

WOW! Marie, you're new favorite cousin! AND my favorite NEW cousin! ;)

Very cool - thanks!

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:22:35 AM UTC-7, Marie wrote:
>
> Hi Eric:
>
> Sorry for the blank responses--have had too much caffeine this morning.
>
> Antonia was born 9 August 1812 before her parents were married.  Her 
> baptism record confirms the names of her mother and maternal grandparents.  
> See  top right  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815_item1/P197.html
>
>   Then in 1817 ( top left) her parents, who were married in 1814 brought 
> her to the church, for a ceremony to perhaps "legitimize" her??  The record 
> verifies her DOB, but I cannot read what follows. 
>
>  We need a person more fluent to explain this record and notes in the 
> margins of both records. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828_item1/P34.html
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Marie Borba Volbeda
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 6:44:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
>> I've been searching for the birth record for my third 
>> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the 
>> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - 
>> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal 
>> line ends.
>>
>> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>>
>> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
>> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
>> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
>> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>>
>> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>>
>> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I 
>> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a 
>> few years before and after.
>>
>> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> - Eric
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Here is the translation provided by João:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815_item1/P197.html

 

Antónia, filha de Maria Silveira e de pai não sabido, filha de Ana Silveira 
d’Agueda e de seu primeiro marido Thome Jose Silveira, natural e freguês 
desta Matriz de Nossa Senhora do Rozario da Villa Nova do topo, Ilha de São 
Jorge e moradora no Arrabalde do Norte, nasceo em os nove dias do mez 
d’Agosto do anno de mil oitocentos e doze e foi baptizada em os doze dias 
do dito mez e anno, nesta mesma Matriz, pelo reverendo Thomé Gregorio 
Teixeira, vigario della. Forão padrinhos o reverendo Antonio Caetano de 
Souza, thezoureiro da mesma Matriz, e Antonia Silveira, filha de Jozé 
Antonio Souto e de sua mulher dita Anna Silveira d’Agada. E para constar 
fiz este termo, que assigno com os mesmos reverendos ministros. Era supra.

O cura João Ivo de Bettancourt

O vigario Thome Gregorio Teixeira

Antonio Caetano de Souza

 

Translation:

Antónia, daughter of Maria Silveira and unknown father, maternal 
granddaughter of Ana Silveira de Águeda and her first husband Tomé José 
Silveira, native of Topo, São Jorge Island, where she lived in Arrebalde do 
Norte, was born on 9 August 1812 and was baptized on the 12th, in Topo, São 
Jorge Island. Godparents were the priest treasurer António Caetano de Sousa 
and Antónia Silveira, daughter of José António Souto and his wife Ana 
Silveira de Águeda, above mentioned. Witnesses were the godfather and the 
priest João Ivo de Bettencourt.

Note: on the margin it is written that she was recognized by the father and 
this declaration in the book of baptisms 12, fl. 31v.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828_item1/P34.html

 

Em os sete dias do mez d’Abril do anno de mil oitocentos e dezasete, na 
prezença de mim, Antonio Ignacio da Silveira, cura da Matriz de Nossa do 
Rozario desta Villa Nova do topo, Ilha de São Jorge, compareceo Manoel José 
da Cunha, cazado com Maria de São Joze, e por elle foi dito que estando 
espozado com a dita sua mulher, delle dera esta à luz em os nove dias do 
mez d’Agosto do anno de mil oitocentos e doze, hua filha, por nome Antonia. 
E porque no termo do baptismo desta se não declarou quem era seo pay, agora 
cumprindo os deveres de sua consciência, faz a prezente declaração, em que 
reconhece por sua filha a dita Antonia e por verdade do que assima, perante 
mim e testemunhas Antonio Borges d’Azevedo e Estevão Pereira Vieira, todos 
moradores nesta Villa. Era ut supra.

Manoel Joze da Cunha

Antonio Borges de Azevedo 

Estevam Pereira Vieira

O cura Antonio Ignacio da Silveira

 

Translation:

On 7 April 1817, in Topo, São Jorge Island, appeared before the priest, 
Manuel José da cunha, married to Maria de São Jorge and he declared that 
while he was engaged to his wife, she gave birth to a daughter, by the name 
of Antónia, born on August 9, 1812, in Topo, São Jorge Island, who was 
registered as daughter of unknown father, and actually is his daughter, to 
relieve his conscience. Witnesses were António Borges de Azevedo and 
Estevão Pereira Vieira, all living in Topo, São Jorge Island.

 

 


On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 8:48:09 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> I'll get in touch with João Ventura - he helped me earlier this year with 
> some translations ... I'll post the translations once I get them. Thanks 
> everyone for your help!!
>
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:55:27 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> I think it's legitimizing her, but we'll wait for a better translation.
>>
>> The margin note of the "legitimization" is referring to the baptism that 
>> took place before where the father was named as "pai incognito."
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rca...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Marie, this is great news!! I wish I could read the doc word-for-word 
>>> but it will need to be someone that reads the language well. 
>>>
>>> Rosemarie 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Absolutely!! I love this group!! So glad I'm going to the conference - 
can't wait to meet so many of you in person!

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 12:37:54 PM UTC-7, Lizmig wrote:
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> Wow. What s gold mine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

I'll get in touch with João Ventura - he helped me earlier this year with 
some translations ... I'll post the translations once I get them. Thanks 
everyone for your help!!


On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:55:27 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I think it's legitimizing her, but we'll wait for a better translation.
>
> The margin note of the "legitimization" is referring to the baptism that 
> took place before where the father was named as "pai incognito."
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  > wrote:
>
>> Marie, this is great news!! I wish I could read the doc word-for-word but 
>> it will need to be someone that reads the language well. 
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>>
>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Alexander Souza, São Jorge, 1883

[Eric Souza]

Wow, thank you for such a prompt and helpful reply! I'll look into those 
resources.

- Eric

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 11:19:24 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Eric S,
>
> In the obituary it says that he belonged to a Portuguese organization. 
> You'll need to search those records. 
>
> You will have to do all searches on him as Alexander (Alexandre) da Souza, 
> just Souza, Souza Borba, S. Borba or just Borba. Don't assign anything to 
> the names. He could have tacked on his grandma's maiden name of Borba for 
> all you know. 
>
> His wife's name would have been Maria Caetano Mancebo.
>
> Here's a bunch of other resources to search to find that freguesia 
> (village) on Sao Jorge: goo.gl/BhM8Fs
>
> Good luck!
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Alexander Souza, São Jorge, 1883

[Eric Souza]

WOW! This is amazing information! Can you send me the link where you found 
this? This is the first real-looking lead I've had in a long time!! Thank 
you!

- Eric

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:00:08 PM UTC-7, Azoreanno wrote:
>
> Eric
>
> Based on my experience I would say The combination de Sousa Borba is more 
> common in Calheta followed by Topo.
> Since you researched Calheta I went to Topo records and found one 
> Alexandre, born in August 1882. He was son of Manuel Jose da Cunha, 
> shoemaker and Rosa Delfina, seamstress. Paternal grandson of Antonia de Sao 
> Jose and maternal grandson of Antonio de Sousa de Borba and Ana Delfina. 
> The godfather was a Alexandre de Sousa de Borba (most likely a maternal 
> oncle/cousin)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
> I'm researching my genealogy, and trying to find information about my 
> great-grandfather, Alexander Souza.
>
> We believe Alexander Souza was born on São Jorge in early 1883 (possibly 
> late 1882?). He immigrated to the San Francisco Bay Area (don't know the 
> year), and lived in Sausalito, CA. He married Mary Catan Mancebo on May 6, 
> 1907, and they had my grandfather, Edward Souza, in 1909. Alex died on 
> March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. Mary died shortly after, and my grandfather 
> never knew any other details about his father. Other documents show he may 
> also have been known as Alexander Souza Borba or Alexander S Borba ... is 
> it accurate that the last name would be Paternal-Maternal, so Souza as the 
> father's paternal surname and Borba as the mother's paternal surname?
>
> We don't know the town he is from, or any information about other 
> relatives. I looked through the parish baptism records here on the 
> CulturaAcores site 
> <http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/?serie=0=4=20>.
>  
> Unfortunately I didn't find any records that looked like they could be him.
>
> Any advice for how to further research this would be great! I've been in 
> touch with the Star of the Sea parish in Sausalito, and the Portuguese Hall 
> in Sausalito, but so far, no luck.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric Souza
> ericchar...@gmail.com 
> Skype: ericcsouza
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Alexander Souza, São Jorge, 1883

[Eric Souza]

Thank you - I think this is him! I'm so glad I connected with you here!! 
Obrigado!


On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 4:14:46 PM UTC-7, Azoreanno wrote:
>
> Here is the link to the page. Beginning of this birth is in previous page 
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889_item1/P92.html
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
> WOW! This is amazing information! Can you send me the link where you found 
> this? This is the first real-looking lead I've had in a long time!! Thank 
> you!
>
> - Eric
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:00:08 PM UTC-7, Azoreanno wrote:
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> Based on my experience I would say The combination de Sousa Borba is more 
>> common in Calheta followed by Topo.
>> Since you researched Calheta I went to Topo records and found one 
>> Alexandre, born in August 1882. He was son of Manuel Jose da Cunha, 
>> shoemaker and Rosa Delfina, seamstress. Paternal grandson of Antonia de Sao 
>> Jose and maternal grandson of Antonio de Sousa de Borba and Ana Delfina. 
>> The godfather was a Alexandre de Sousa de Borba (most likely a maternal 
>> oncle/cousin)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm researching my genealogy, and trying to find information about my 
>> great-grandfather, Alexander Souza.
>>
>> We believe Alexander Souza was born on São Jorge in early 1883 (possibly 
>> late 1882?). He immigrated to the San Francisco Bay Area (don't know the 
>> year), and lived in Sausalito, CA. He married Mary Catan Mancebo on May 6, 
>> 1907, and they had my grandfather, Edward Souza, in 1909. Alex died on 
>> March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. Mary died shortly after, and my grandfather 
>> never knew any other details about his father. Other documents show he may 
>> also have been known as Alexander Souza Borba or Alexander S Borba ... is 
>> it accurate that the last name would be Paternal-Maternal, so Souza as the 
>> father's paternal surname and Borba as the mother's paternal surname?
>>
>> We don't know the town he is from, or any information about other 
>> relatives. I looked through the parish baptism records here on the 
>> CulturaAcores site 
>> <http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/?serie=0=4=20>.
>>  
>> Unfortunately I didn't find any records that looked like they could be him.
>>
>> Any advice for how to further research this would be great! I've been in 
>> touch with the Star of the Sea parish in Sausalito, and the Portuguese Hall 
>> in Sausalito, but so far, no luck.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eric Souza
>> ericchar...@gmail.com
>> Skype: ericcsouza
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Alexander Souza, São Jorge, 1883

[Eric Souza]

This is amazing - so glad I found this forum! Just emailed Marie. I'm doing 
lots of my research on Ancestry - link to family tree there 
is http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/18636350/family?usePUBJs=true

Thank you all for your help, cousins!! :)

- Eric


On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 4:40:05 PM UTC-7, Azoreanno wrote:
>
> I was just gona mention the same :) 
>
> Marie I couldn't remember who had a connection to this line but I do know 
> lol
>
> Eric by the way I am De Sousa Borba also :)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Marie <ma...@volbeda.com> wrote:
>
> Eric:
>
> Contact me off the group.  I have information on several generations back 
> from your great grandfather from Topo.   Our families  connect with the De 
> Sousa de Borba line in the late 1700's.
>
> Marie Borba Volbeda
> ma...@volbeda.com
>
> Researching Topo, Sao Jorge
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 11:10:20 AM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
>> I'm researching my genealogy, and trying to find information about my 
>> great-grandfather, Alexander Souza.
>>
>> We believe Alexander Souza was born on São Jorge in early 1883 (possibly 
>> late 1882?). He immigrated to the San Francisco Bay Area (don't know the 
>> year), and lived in Sausalito, CA. He married Mary Catan Mancebo on May 6, 
>> 1907, and they had my grandfather, Edward Souza, in 1909. Alex died on 
>> March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. Mary died shortly after, and my grandfather 
>> never knew any other details about his father. Other documents show he may 
>> also have been known as Alexander Souza Borba or Alexander S Borba ... is 
>> it accurate that the last name would be Paternal-Maternal, so Souza as the 
>> father's paternal surname and Borba as the mother's paternal surname?
>>
>> We don't know the town he is from, or any information about other 
>> relatives. I looked through the parish baptism records here on the 
>> CulturaAcores site 
>> <http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/?serie=0=4=20>.
>>  
>> Unfortunately I didn't find any records that looked like they could be him.
>>
>> Any advice for how to further research this would be great! I've been in 
>> touch with the Star of the Sea parish in Sausalito, and the Portuguese Hall 
>> in Sausalito, but so far, no luck.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eric Souza
>> ericchar...@gmail.com
>> Skype: ericcsouza
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Alexander Souza, São Jorge, 1883

[Eric Souza]

Thanks Joe - you guys are terrific! I wish I had found this message forum 
long ago. I've been getting help from João Ventura on translations, and 
finding more about my heritage.


On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 2:00:40 PM UTC-7, joe m wrote:
>
> Not sure if you have Alexandre's  birth.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889_item1/P92.html
> .
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> This is amazing - so glad I found this forum! Just emailed Marie. I'm 
>> doing lots of my research on Ancestry - link to family tree there is 
>> http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/18636350/family?usePUBJs=true
>>
>> Thank you all for your help, cousins!! :)
>>
>> - Eric
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 4:40:05 PM UTC-7, Azoreanno wrote:
>>>
>>> I was just gona mention the same :) 
>>>
>>> Marie I couldn't remember who had a connection to this line but I do 
>>> know lol
>>>
>>> Eric by the way I am De Sousa Borba also :)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Marie <ma...@volbeda.com > 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric:
>>>
>>> Contact me off the group.  I have information on several generations 
>>> back from your great grandfather from Topo.   Our families  connect with 
>>> the De Sousa de Borba line in the late 1700's.
>>>
>>> Marie Borba Volbeda
>>> ma...@volbeda.com 
>>>
>>> Researching Topo, Sao Jorge
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 11:10:20 AM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm researching my genealogy, and trying to find information about my 
>>>> great-grandfather, Alexander Souza.
>>>>
>>>> We believe Alexander Souza was born on São Jorge in early 1883 
>>>> (possibly late 1882?). He immigrated to the San Francisco Bay Area (don't 
>>>> know the year), and lived in Sausalito, CA. He married Mary Catan Mancebo 
>>>> on May 6, 1907, and they had my grandfather, Edward Souza, in 1909. Alex 
>>>> died on March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. Mary died shortly after, and my 
>>>> grandfather never knew any other details about his father. Other documents 
>>>> show he may also have been known as Alexander Souza Borba or Alexander S 
>>>> Borba ... is it accurate that the last name would be Paternal-Maternal, so 
>>>> Souza as the father's paternal surname and Borba as the mother's paternal 
>>>> surname?
>>>>
>>>> We don't know the town he is from, or any information about other 
>>>> relatives. I looked through the parish baptism records here on the 
>>>> CulturaAcores site 
>>>> <http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/?serie=0=4=20>.
>>>>  
>>>> Unfortunately I didn't find any records that looked like they could be him.
>>>>
>>>> Any advice for how to further research this would be great! I've been 
>>>> in touch with the Star of the Sea parish in Sausalito, and the Portuguese 
>>>> Hall in Sausalito, but so far, no luck.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Eric Souza
>>>> ericchar...@gmail.com
>>>> Skype: ericcsouza
>>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] José António Caetano Mancebo - a wife on São Jorge before immigrating?

[Eric Souza]

I've been piecing together my family tree, and with help from João Ventura 
(an amazing resource!) I have the birth record for my 2nd 
great-grandfather, José António Caetano Mancebo (born March 21, 1846, 
Ribeira Seca, São Jorge).

He immigrated to Sausalito, CA, and married Emerenciana Maciel (another 
immigrant from São Jorge, born 1860), and had a big family there.

Chatting with a newly-discovered cousin, I was told that the family history 
says he had been married previously on São Jorge! Apparently family history 
says he had a family there before leaving for the US. So I've been looking 
through the Ribeira Seca marriage records , but 
haven't yet found any marriage record for him ...

Since I had great success finding help on my great-grandfather Alexander 
Souza through this forum (thank you!) I figured I would put this little 
dirty laundry tidbit out there to see if anyone has him in their genealogy 
or records. 

Thank you!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Reason for duplicate record?

[Eric Souza]

When looking for the birth record for a great(x5) uncle, I found it ... 
twice! 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1762-1780/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1762-1780_item1/P107.html

Jozé Antonio de Borba in the middle and bottom right. 

Anyone know why there would be the duplicate? Pretty handwriting, too.

Thanks,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Antónia de São José, daughter of Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Maria de São José, Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Marie's information has been incredible for me as I've been learning about 
my family's history (our shared history!) - I am so grateful for the 
research she has done and how well organized it is! Thanks again, Marie! 
Sorry I won't get the chance to meet you in Salt Lake City.

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> Thank you Eric and Joao for providing the translations for these records.  
> My information is now more certain.  Rosemarie, that's a good idea to use 
> these for future reference.  There is always something to learn no matter 
> how long I have been researching my ancestors.  I was hoping to attend the 
> conference this year; but we will be celebrating my granddaughter's 6th 
> birthday in San Antonio, Texas (we live in San Diego, CA). Maybe next year?
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 6:44:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>
>> I've been searching for the birth record for my third 
>> great-grandmother, Antónia de São José, from Topo, São Jorge. She is the 
>> mother of my great-great-grandfather, Manoel Jozé da Cunha (13 Feb 1843) - 
>> Manoel's father is unknown, which unfortunately is where my direct paternal 
>> line ends.
>>
>> I've found records for four of Antónia's siblings:
>>
>> Maria da Cunha (20 May 1816)
>> Manoel da Cunha (5 Sep 1817)
>> Maria da Cunha (20 Nov 1822)
>> Manoel da Cunha (Nov 1825)
>>
>> Parents are Manoel Jozé da Cunha (28 Mar 1773) and Maria de São José.
>>
>> I've gone through a couple of times and haven't found her! Ugh! I 
>> especially looked through the gap between 1817 and 1822, but also looked a 
>> few years before and after.
>>
>> Does this name ring a bell for anyone?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> - Eric
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealogy Conference and Research Trip, Salt Lake City, Utah, ONE MONTH FROM DEADLINE

[Eric Souza]

Very excited to get out there and learn and do some research!

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> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)
>
> Just a reminder for those interested in attending the Genealogy Conference 
> and Research Trip in Salt Lake City, Utah, Tuesday, September 6 - Friday, 
> September 9. We are about a month away from the hotel registration deadline 
> of Aug. 5th (Sorry, I kept typing the 8th earlier for some reason. The 
> contracts for the Plaza Hotel say Friday, August 5th).
>
> We still have just a few rooms left in our block at the Plaza Hotel. The 
> sales manager informed that there are some new employees at the front desk 
> and they may or may not read group reservations correctly. So please book 
> directly with him. Rich Williams, (801) 606-2410 and tell him you are 
> with the Azores Conference and need a room. 
>
> More information can be found about the conference here: goo.gl/GkxEV3 or 
> here: goo.gl/j3XpdL  Cheri Mello & Rosemarie Capodicci
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Reason for duplicate record?

[Eric Souza]

Aah, appreciation for vinho - another thing that makes me a proud 
descendant. :)

Makes sense - just wasn't sure there was something I was missing.

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> Too much vinho :-)
>
> Really though, I think someone wasn't paying attention and recorded it 
> twice.
> Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Conference

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Looking forward to meeting all of you! I'm getting ready to head to the 
airport. :)


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> See you either Monday or Tuesday!! 
>
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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> On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Marilyn Thompson  > wrote:
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>> Thank you Rosemarie. Sorry for my lack of attention
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci > > wrote:
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>>> Hi Marilyn, 
>>>
>>> I'm attaching the schedule for you. Are you going to come for the meet 
>>> and greet Monday night too?? 
>>>
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>>> On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Marilyn Thompson >> > wrote:
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 Somehow I do not know what the conference schedule is for this coming 
 week. I am sorry but I must not have saved it.

 I at least need to know the start time. I assume we are in the same 
 room at the Plaza Hotel for our meetings.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Souza de Borba obit - Topo - São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Hi friends!

I came across an obituary for Antonio de Souza de Borba. I'm guessing it is 
for my 3rd great grandfather, but I don't recognize any other names on here 
except for Rita Victoriana, which I believe it says was his second wife? 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-O-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-O-1880-1889_item1/P20.html

I have my Antonio born 7 Jul 1818 ... can anyone help identify what his age 
is listed as here? Anything else interesting?

Muito obrigado!

- Eric

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Souza de Borba obit - Topo - São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Thank you - that's what I thought too for the age, so that's about an eight 
year difference ... not impossible it's a mistake. My Antonio had two sons 
and a daughter, so that might line up also, if they used masculine for 
children, making it seem like all sons.

I'll miss you guys out there too - had a blast last year! Thanks for 
thinking of me. :)


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> Hi Eric,
> It says he is the official Pedreiro (mason) and I believe it says 55 years 
> old and he is married to his second wife Rita Victoriana.3 sons by the 1st 
> wife and buried in the public cemetery. Someone else may be able to read 
> more! We will miss you in SLC this year!! 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi friends!
>>
>> I came across an obituary for Antonio de Souza de Borba. I'm guessing it 
>> is for my 3rd great grandfather, but I don't recognize any other names on 
>> here except for Rita Victoriana, which I believe it says was his second 
>> wife? 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-O-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-O-1880-1889_item1/P20.html
>>
>> I have my Antonio born 7 Jul 1818 ... can anyone help identify what his 
>> age is listed as here? Anything else interesting?
>>
>> Muito obrigado!
>>
>> - Eric
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Souza de Borba obit - Topo - São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

AWESOME, thanks! Hope your loving your windmill trip, primo!

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 5:43:52 PM UTC-7, dfvasco39 wrote:
>
> Hi Eric,
> Ian staying in a windmill in Graciosa, but I have the Borba family info 
> with me.
> Antonio born in1818 married:
> 1. Anna Delfina 03 Mar 1848
> 2. Rita Vitoria de Jesus 10 April 1861
> Don Vasconcelos
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 2, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
> Hi friends!
>
> I came across an obituary for Antonio de Souza de Borba. I'm guessing it 
> is for my 3rd great grandfather, but I don't recognize any other names on 
> here except for Rita Victoriana, which I believe it says was his second 
> wife? 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-O-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-O-1880-1889_item1/P20.html
>
> I have my Antonio born 7 Jul 1818 ... can anyone help identify what his 
> age is listed as here? Anything else interesting?
>
> Muito obrigado!
>
> - Eric
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Souza de Borba obit - Topo - São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Here's another child of Antonio and Josefa ... 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1793-1801/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1793-1801_item1/P5.html


On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 9:19:12 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> Don - following up on Antonio de Sousa de Borba, here's something else I 
> found ... for the Antonio dSdB born 1777, married to Izabel Ignacia, 
> there's a tree on Ancestry by Julie Bettencourt that shows an earlier 
> marriage for Antonio, to:
> Josefa do Rosario (~1773, Topo)
>
> Her records show seven kids between them ... I looked up the first, which 
> had a birthdate and sure enough, there's a record ... 
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1780-1793/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1780-1793_item1/P116.html
>
> Looks like: Joze, fo de Anto de Sza de Borba, ede (what looks to me like 
> it could be Josefa do Rozario)
>
> So, looks like our Antonio had another branch. Which you might have known 
> already, but it's news to me!
>
> Hope your enjoying your trip. I'm quite jealous!
>
> - Eric
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 5:43:52 PM UTC-7, dfvasco39 wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eric,
>> Ian staying in a windmill in Graciosa, but I have the Borba family info 
>> with me.
>> Antonio born in1818 married:
>> 1. Anna Delfina 03 Mar 1848
>> 2. Rita Vitoria de Jesus 10 April 1861
>> Don Vasconcelos
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi friends!
>>
>> I came across an obituary for Antonio de Souza de Borba. I'm guessing it 
>> is for my 3rd great grandfather, but I don't recognize any other names on 
>> here except for Rita Victoriana, which I believe it says was his second 
>> wife? 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-O-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-O-1880-1889_item1/P20.html
>>
>> I have my Antonio born 7 Jul 1818 ... can anyone help identify what his 
>> age is listed as here? Anything else interesting?
>>
>> Muito obrigado!
>>
>> - Eric
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Souza de Borba obit - Topo - São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Don - following up on Antonio de Sousa de Borba, here's something else I 
found ... for the Antonio dSdB born 1777, married to Izabel Ignacia, 
there's a tree on Ancestry by Julie Bettencourt that shows an earlier 
marriage for Antonio, to:
Josefa do Rosario (~1773, Topo)

Her records show seven kids between them ... I looked up the first, which 
had a birthdate and sure enough, there's a record ... 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1780-1793/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1780-1793_item1/P116.html

Looks like: Joze, fo de Anto de Sza de Borba, ede (what looks to me like it 
could be Josefa do Rozario)

So, looks like our Antonio had another branch. Which you might have known 
already, but it's news to me!

Hope your enjoying your trip. I'm quite jealous!

- Eric


On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 5:43:52 PM UTC-7, dfvasco39 wrote:
>
> Hi Eric,
> Ian staying in a windmill in Graciosa, but I have the Borba family info 
> with me.
> Antonio born in1818 married:
> 1. Anna Delfina 03 Mar 1848
> 2. Rita Vitoria de Jesus 10 April 1861
> Don Vasconcelos
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 2, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
> Hi friends!
>
> I came across an obituary for Antonio de Souza de Borba. I'm guessing it 
> is for my 3rd great grandfather, but I don't recognize any other names on 
> here except for Rita Victoriana, which I believe it says was his second 
> wife? 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-O-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-O-1880-1889_item1/P20.html
>
> I have my Antonio born 7 Jul 1818 ... can anyone help identify what his 
> age is listed as here? Anything else interesting?
>
> Muito obrigado!
>
> - Eric
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Barbara Victorina obit - Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Thank you!!

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Eric,  you have it right. Azevedo and Teixeira are correct.  The mother it 
> reads Maria do Rosario.  It also says she was a widow, proprietor died 
> without a will and left children.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
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> Can I get an extra set of eyes on Barbara Victorina's obit?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-SANTOANTAO-O-1900-1911/SJR-CH-SANTOANTAO-O-1900-1911_item1/P137.html
>
> Here's what I think I get out of it ...
>
> Barbara Victorina - died 29 Apr 1909
> 83YO
> Is the spouse Antonio Machado de Azevedo?
> filha de Manuel Machado (Teixeira?) e Maria do Rosaria?
>
> Thanks!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Eric Souza]

I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html

16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo

Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza 
Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?

Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?

Thanks!

- Eric

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Thanks Rosemarie, you're the best!!

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 4:48:26 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric, 
> There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
> Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html
>>
>> 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo
>>
>> Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza 
>> Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?
>>
>> Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> - Eric
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Thanks, Cheri. I don't know about Blaine's study ... or is that the Azores 
project with FTDNA that I opted into? Just wanting to make sure I'm helping 
if there's a way to help weave the web ...

I do think I'm getting close!

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 8:47:26 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Eric S,
>
> Since I can see your DNA page with your match, I'll use the FTDNA numbers. 
> Your match may be something like a 3C2R or maybe further. There's not good 
> data out there for 4th, 5th, etc cousins. Maybe more people submitted their 
> cMs for Blaine Bettinger's study and maybe he'll be able to report 4C and 
> 4C1R data to us this time. We'll have to wait and see. 
>
> In the meantime, you'll probably have to go back to the 4 greats to figure 
> it out. Maybe 1-2 generations more. That's my best guess based on what 
> others have found.   Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I have a DNA match with Julie Souza Bassett with 36.7 cM. I'm in GEDmatch 
>> with Kit T153402.
>>
>> I started with her grandparents, and started going back from there.
>>
>> GrandfaterJoaquin Azevedo Souza b. 2/23/1894 d. 9/10/1953
>> Grandmother Maria Ezilda Leonardo Souza b. 1/1/1901 d. 12/3/1987
>>
>> Here's a screenshot of what I've found so far, and believe to be accurate 
>> ... it's a private tree in Ancestry, so my "work in progress" isn't out as 
>> public fact, as I haven't found all documentation.
>>
>> Haven't found our common ancestor yet ...
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 2:31:01 AM UTC-7, nancy jean baptiste 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>>
>>> These are my ggg grandparents, Martinho and Anna. I descend from their 
>>> daughter, Agueda, born 1809. How do you relate to them? I don't see you 
>>> among my matches in the DNA project..unless you are John Souza?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Nancy Jean
>>> --
>>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com <azo...@googlegroups.com> on behalf of 
>>> Rosemarie Capodicci <rca...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 6:48:23 PM
>>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of 
>>> João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge 
>>>  
>>> Eric, 
>>> There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
>>> Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie 
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html
>>>>
>>>> 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo
>>>>
>>>> Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza 
>>>> Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?
>>>>
>>>> Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> - Eric
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Eric Souza]

I did indeed miss it ... thanks for sharing the link - I'll follow up and 
will submit data.

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 9:18:42 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Eric S,
>
> I posted on June 5th about Blaine's study and then a reminder again on 
> June 17th. Maybe life got in the way and you missed it:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/azores/bettinger%7Csort:relevance/azores/9x41hGzYawQ/ZSpaSJOzBgAJ
>
> The study is ongoing. You can submit at any time. It's just that Blaine 
> took the data that was submitted to him by June 30th and he's now rerunning 
> the stats. And he'll rerun them again in the future. Because a sample size 
> of 2 endogamous 3C2R does not make for a good sample size. But it's a 
> start. That's why I told your match maybe "something like" a 3C2R. There's 
> not good data out there for me to say with total confidence. That's why I 
> said you may even have to go back 1-2 generations further. So all the iffy, 
> fuzzy type responses. But as we all chip in to work on this puzzle together 
> (and it's REAL nice of you to create the tree of your match), it will start 
> to come into focus.
>
> (New to genealogy people: 3C2R = 3rd Cousin 2 times Removed)
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Cheri. I don't know about Blaine's study ... or is that the 
>> Azores project with FTDNA that I opted into? Just wanting to make sure I'm 
>> helping if there's a way to help weave the web ...
>>
>> I do think I'm getting close!
>>
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 8:47:26 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric S,
>>>
>>> Since I can see your DNA page with your match, I'll use the FTDNA 
>>> numbers. Your match may be something like a 3C2R or maybe further. There's 
>>> not good data out there for 4th, 5th, etc cousins. Maybe more people 
>>> submitted their cMs for Blaine Bettinger's study and maybe he'll be able to 
>>> report 4C and 4C1R data to us this time. We'll have to wait and see. 
>>>
>>> In the meantime, you'll probably have to go back to the 4 greats to 
>>> figure it out. Maybe 1-2 generations more. That's my best guess based on 
>>> what others have found.   Cheri
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a DNA match with Julie Souza Bassett with 36.7 cM. I'm in 
>>>> GEDmatch with Kit T153402.
>>>>
>>>> I started with her grandparents, and started going back from there.
>>>>
>>>> GrandfaterJoaquin Azevedo Souza b. 2/23/1894 d. 9/10/1953
>>>> Grandmother Maria Ezilda Leonardo Souza b. 1/1/1901 d. 12/3/1987
>>>>
>>>> Here's a screenshot of what I've found so far, and believe to be 
>>>> accurate ... it's a private tree in Ancestry, so my "work in progress" 
>>>> isn't out as public fact, as I haven't found all documentation.
>>>>
>>>> Haven't found our common ancestor yet ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 2:31:01 AM UTC-7, nancy jean baptiste 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> These are my ggg grandparents, Martinho and Anna. I descend from their 
>>>>> daughter, Agueda, born 1809. How do you relate to them? I don't see you 
>>>>> among my matches in the DNA project..unless you are John Souza?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nancy Jean
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com <azo...@googlegroups.com> on behalf 
>>>>> of Rosemarie Capodicci <rca...@gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 6:48:23 PM
>>>>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of 
>>>>> João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge 
>>>>>  
>>>>> Eric, 
>>>>> There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
>>>>> Martinho de Souza M

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Nancy Jean, thanks for your family information ... I see your Agueda's 
birth record here ...
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815_item1/P151.html

It's entirely possible my connection with Julie goes through another of the 
branches, so that's helpful information, that we likely don't share a DNA 
link. 

These are such nice records!

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 2:31:01 AM UTC-7, nancy jean baptiste wrote:
>
> Eric,
>
>
> These are my ggg grandparents, Martinho and Anna. I descend from their 
> daughter, Agueda, born 1809. How do you relate to them? I don't see you 
> among my matches in the DNA project..unless you are John Souza?
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Nancy Jean
> --
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  <azo...@googlegroups.com 
> > on behalf of Rosemarie Capodicci <rca...@gmail.com 
> >
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 6:48:23 PM
> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of 
> João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge 
>  
> Eric, 
> There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
> Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html
>>
>> 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo
>>
>> Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza 
>> Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?
>>
>> Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> - Eric
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Possible breakthrough from Marriage Index - Joze Silveira Luis e Antónia de São José

[Eric Souza]

Here is the record for Antónia, being the daughter of Manuel Jose da Cunha 
and Maria de Sao Jose ... translation done about a year ago from 
João Ventura:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1815-1828_item1/P34.html

 

*Em os sete dias do mez d’Abril do anno de mil oitocentos e dezasete, na 
prezença de mim, Antonio Ignacio da Silveira, cura da Matriz de Nossa do 
Rozario desta Villa Nova do topo, Ilha de São Jorge, compareceo Manoel José 
da Cunha, cazado com Maria de São Joze, e por elle foi dito que estando 
espozado com a dita sua mulher, delle dera esta à luz em os nove dias do 
mez d’Agosto do anno de mil oitocentos e doze, hua filha, por nome Antonia. 
E porque no termo do baptismo desta se não declarou quem era seo pay, agora 
cumprindo os deveres de sua consciência, faz a prezente declaração, em que 
reconhece por sua filha a dita Antonia e por verdade do que assima, perante 
mim e testemunhas Antonio Borges d’Azevedo e Estevão Pereira Vieira, todos 
moradores nesta Villa. Era ut supra.*

*Manoel Joze da Cunha*

*Antonio Borges de Azevedo *

*Estevam Pereira Vieira*

*O cura Antonio Ignacio da Silveira*

 

*Translation:*

*On 7 April 1817, in Topo, São Jorge Island, appeared before the priest, 
Manuel José da cunha, married to Maria de São Jorge and he declared that 
while he was engaged to his wife, she gave birth to a daughter, by the name 
of Antónia, born on August 9, 1812, in Topo, São Jorge Island, who was 
registered as daughter of unknown father, and actually is his daughter, to 
relieve his conscience. **Witnesses were António Borges de Azevedo and 
Estevão Pereira Vieira, all living in Topo, São Jorge Island.*



On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 12:29:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> I'd resigned myself to having a dead end in my direct paternal line, *BUT* 
> ... did the new marriage index just help open this up?
>
> I looked up *Antónia de São José*, who was the mother of my great-great 
> grandfather, *Manuel Jose da Cunha* (13 FEB 1843). Here is Manuel's *birth 
> record* 
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1840-1848/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1840-1848_item1/P77.html>
>  and 
> translation from João Ventura:
>  
>
> *Manuel, son of unknown father and Antónia de São José, maternal grandson 
> of Manuel José da Cunha and his wife Maria de São José, all native of Topo, 
> São Jorge Island, was born on 13 February 1843 and was baptized on the 
> 16th, in Topo, São Jorge Island. Godfather was Manuel José, son of the 
> maternal grandparents. *
>
>
> I looked for Antonia's name in the new marriage index, and found a hit ...
>  
> *This is a marriage record for Antónia de São José 
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1828-1853/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1828-1853_item1/P115.html>*,
>  
> daughter of Maria de São José. It looks like on 2 Dec 1843, she married *Joze 
> Silveira Luis*, filho de pai não sabido e de Anna Francisca. 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1828-1853/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1828-1853_item1/P115.html
>
> This record seems to say that Antónia's mother was Maria de São José and 
> pai não sabido, but I have records showing Manuel Jose da Cunha as her 
> father - including in Manuel's birth record, shared above. 
>
> *There is a lot in this marriage record that I am not understanding, and I 
> am hoping someone with more skills than I have can help me out ...*
>
> I tried using Google Translate, for the first part ... not making much 
> sense, and I fear it's the fault of my inexperienced eyes on the document.
>
> *Joze Silveira Luis, filho de pai nao sabido e de Anna Francisca, e 
> Antonia de Sao Jose, filla de Maria de Sao Jose e de pai nao sabido, las 
> quan nacer am a contra hente em as doze dias do mes de Abril do anno de mil 
> oito centos e veinte, e fai baptizado em as quatorze de af do lito e anno, 
> e a contrahente em as veinte cinco dias do mes de Fevereiro do anno de mil 
> oito centos e de oito e fai baptizada em as dois dias do mes de Marzo do 
> anno de mesmo anno natura e freguses desta matriz des nova senhora do 
> Rosario da Villa Nova do Topo*
>
> *Joze Silveira Luis, son of an unknown father and Anna Francisca, and 
> Antonia de Sao Jose, filla de Maria de Sao Jose and father not known, when 
> born against. On the twelfth day of the month of April of the year one 
> thousand eight hundred and twenty, and shall be baptized on the fourteenth 
> day of the month and the year, and the counterpart on the twenty-fifth day 
> of February of the year one thousand eight hundred and Of eight and fai 
> baptized in the two days of the month of March of the year of the same year 
> natura and freguses of this matrix of the new lady of th

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: *****Sao Jorge Marriage Index online

[Eric Souza]

This is AMAZING!! WOW - what a resource!! Thank you to everyone who worked 
on this. I believe it might have just opened up a huge "pai incognito" gap 
in my direct paternal line!!

You guys are amazing. Thank you for what must have been countless 
hundreds/thousands of hours on this.

- Eric


On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 7:00:08 PM UTC-7, Kathy Cardoza wrote:
>
> it is my pleasure to announce a major, new addition to the Azores GenWeb 
> …… the Sao Jorge Marriage Index. This has been a long and difficult project 
> undertaken by a group of dedicated researchers and coordinated by Jeremy 
> Berry-Cahn. This index covers all 11 freguesias of Sao Jorge and is a 
> searchable PDF. Every effort has been made to insure accuracy. Please use 
> any index as a starting point only, and always verify with the original 
> record. If you find this index to be helpful, please express your 
> appreciation to all the volunteers who gave so much of their time and 
> efforts to it.
>
>
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/sao-jorge/sao-jorge-indexing/
>
> Good luck and happy hunting!
>
> Kathy Cardoza
> Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
> ~~~
>
>
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Possible breakthrough from Marriage Index - Joze Silveira Luis e Antónia de São José

[Eric Souza]

I'd resigned myself to having a dead end in my direct paternal line, *BUT* 
... did the new marriage index just help open this up?

I looked up *Antónia de São José*, who was the mother of my great-great 
grandfather, *Manuel Jose da Cunha* (13 FEB 1843). Here is Manuel's *birth 
record* 

 and 
translation from João Ventura:
 

*Manuel, son of unknown father and Antónia de São José, maternal grandson 
of Manuel José da Cunha and his wife Maria de São José, all native of Topo, 
São Jorge Island, was born on 13 February 1843 and was baptized on the 
16th, in Topo, São Jorge Island. Godfather was Manuel José, son of the 
maternal grandparents. *


I looked for Antonia's name in the new marriage index, and found a hit ...
 
*This is a marriage record for Antónia de São José 
*,
 
daughter of Maria de São José. It looks like on 2 Dec 1843, she married *Joze 
Silveira Luis*, filho de pai não sabido e de Anna Francisca. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1828-1853/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1828-1853_item1/P115.html

This record seems to say that Antónia's mother was Maria de São José and 
pai não sabido, but I have records showing Manuel Jose da Cunha as her 
father - including in Manuel's birth record, shared above. 

*There is a lot in this marriage record that I am not understanding, and I 
am hoping someone with more skills than I have can help me out ...*

I tried using Google Translate, for the first part ... not making much 
sense, and I fear it's the fault of my inexperienced eyes on the document.

*Joze Silveira Luis, filho de pai nao sabido e de Anna Francisca, e Antonia 
de Sao Jose, filla de Maria de Sao Jose e de pai nao sabido, las quan nacer 
am a contra hente em as doze dias do mes de Abril do anno de mil oito 
centos e veinte, e fai baptizado em as quatorze de af do lito e anno, e a 
contrahente em as veinte cinco dias do mes de Fevereiro do anno de mil oito 
centos e de oito e fai baptizada em as dois dias do mes de Marzo do anno de 
mesmo anno natura e freguses desta matriz des nova senhora do Rosario da 
Villa Nova do Topo*

*Joze Silveira Luis, son of an unknown father and Anna Francisca, and 
Antonia de Sao Jose, filla de Maria de Sao Jose and father not known, when 
born against. On the twelfth day of the month of April of the year one 
thousand eight hundred and twenty, and shall be baptized on the fourteenth 
day of the month and the year, and the counterpart on the twenty-fifth day 
of February of the year one thousand eight hundred and Of eight and fai 
baptized in the two days of the month of March of the year of the same year 
natura and freguses of this matrix of the new lady of the Rosary of the New 
Villa of Topo*


If this is true, then I have likely extended my paternal line to include 
Joze Silveira Luis, filho de pai não sabido e de Anna Francisca (at this 
point, another pai não sabido, but at least it's another generation?) 

THANK YOU to all of the researchers who put together this amazing resource!!

- Eric

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Barbara Victorina obit - Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Can I get an extra set of eyes on Barbara Victorina's obit?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-SANTOANTAO-O-1900-1911/SJR-CH-SANTOANTAO-O-1900-1911_item1/P137.html

Here's what I think I get out of it ...

Barbara Victorina - died 29 Apr 1909
83YO
Is the spouse Antonio Machado de Azevedo?
filha de Manuel Machado (Teixeira?) e Maria do Rosaria?

Thanks!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] An old one, but pretty from 1650 - parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba?

[Eric Souza]

Here's another that has extended my tree ... can someone help me identify 
the names of the parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1631-1696/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1631-1696_item1/P12.html

It's the second one on the left ...

Diogo, fo de Joao Nunes Bello (defunto) e de Maria de Almeida
Appellonia Dias de Borba, fa de Antonio ?? e Andreza Jorge?

Thanks for the look!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Antonio Caetano de Azevedo

[Eric Souza]

It helps so much to have the freguesias, especially when the names can be 
all over the place!! :) Obrigada, Prima! :)

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 2:21:00 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric,
> It's just crazy, sometimes the names on the marriage are one thing and 
> then on the baptisms they add or subtract! That's why you should always try 
> all combinations. I have Vitorino de Azevedo Bettencourt & Maria da 
> Conceicao that I was looking for in Sao Jorge. Tried, Vitorino de Azevedo, 
> Azevedo, Bettencourt, nothing. Then I thought,okay,they are not in the Sao 
> Jorge Marriage Index maybe they are in the Terceira index. Sure enough, 
> there they are, Vitorino de Azevedo & Maria da Conceicao do Coracao de 
> Jesus! So, he dropped Bettencourt, she added Coracao de Jesus but it's 
> them. I went to the doc and sure enough they are both from the Church of 
> Nossa Senhora das Neves, Sao Jorge (Norte Grande)! You just never know what 
> you may find. Try all combinations and check all indexes you have available 
> to you. 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Thank you! I realized that after posting and tried to delete post, but 
>> was too late. :) 
>>
>> The marriage index shows me Inacia Rosa da Silveira and Antonio Machado 
>> Viera here: 
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1803-1822/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1803-1822_item1/P60.html
>>
>> Wow, that index is handy!
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 1:28:52 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>>
>>> Mom is just Maria de Jesus, no surname. Inacia Rosa doesn't have a 
>>> surname on this one but she may pick it up in later docs. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie 
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the top right of this one, for the parents of Antonio Caetano de 
>>>> Azevedo, I see the pai incognito, but can anyone make out a last name for 
>>>> his mother? Maria ... ?? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849_item1/P126.html
>>>>
>>>> This document also confirms for me Barbara Emilia da Silveira's parents 
>>>> - Antonio Machado Viera and Inacia Rosa Silveira ... 
>>>>
>>>> Anything else interesting that you guys can make out?
>>>>
>>>> The marriage index is going to give me SO MUCH to go on. Thank you 
>>>> again, researchers.
>>>>
>>>> - Eric
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] An old one, but pretty from 1650 - parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba?

[Eric Souza]

You guys are great - thank you!!

This new index is really amazing ... sorry if I'm overdoing it on posting 
and asking for help ...

- Eric

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 1:00:51 PM UTC-7, Shirley Allegre wrote:
>
> This is what I see:
>  
> 13 Feb 1650,  Calheta
> Diogo Nunes Bello
> (Joao Nunes Bello, dec.  X Maria de Almeida), freguesia Nossa Senhora 
> Rosario
> SPOUSE
> Appelonia Dias de Borba
> (Antonio Alvares X Andreza Jorge), this freguesia (Calheta)
> TESTIMONY
> Francisco de Silveira? de Avila, freguesia Ribeira Seca
> Joao Luis Pereira
> CAPTAIN MOR Pedro Luis Pereira?
> Catharina Machada
> Simao Rois de Borba
>  
> Hope this helps. Shirley in CA
>
>
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] An old one, but pretty from 1650 - parents 
> of Apelonia Dias de Borba?
>
> Here's another that has extended my tree ... can someone help me identify 
> the names of the parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba? 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1631-1696/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1631-1696_item1/P12.html
>
> It's the second one on the left ...
>
> Diogo, fo de Joao Nunes Bello (defunto) e de Maria de Almeida
> Appellonia Dias de Borba, fa de Antonio ?? e Andreza Jorge?
>
> Thanks for the look!
>
> - Eric
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Antonio Caetano de Azevedo

[Eric Souza]

Thank you! I realized that after posting and tried to delete post, but was 
too late. :) 

The marriage index shows me Inacia Rosa da Silveira and Antonio Machado 
Viera here: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1803-1822/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1803-1822_item1/P60.html

Wow, that index is handy!


On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 1:28:52 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Mom is just Maria de Jesus, no surname. Inacia Rosa doesn't have a surname 
> on this one but she may pick it up in later docs. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> In the top right of this one, for the parents of Antonio Caetano de 
>> Azevedo, I see the pai incognito, but can anyone make out a last name for 
>> his mother? Maria ... ?? 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849_item1/P126.html
>>
>> This document also confirms for me Barbara Emilia da Silveira's parents - 
>> Antonio Machado Viera and Inacia Rosa Silveira ... 
>>
>> Anything else interesting that you guys can make out?
>>
>> The marriage index is going to give me SO MUCH to go on. Thank you again, 
>> researchers.
>>
>> - Eric
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother's name

[Eric Souza]

Thanks Rosemarie - this wasn't my original post, just thought I could help 
with the image ... but yes, could be! Wouldn't it be funny to find a 
connection like that ...

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 9:28:02 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric, I think that you are going to need to find another baptism for this 
> couple's children to make sure. I still think it's Secilia or some version 
> of it but there is something else after that, de___Machado. I can't really 
> make it out but it could be de Souza?, that fits the space. 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I edited the levels a bit in Photoshop ... does this help? Edited image 
>> attached ...
>>
>> - Eric
>>
>> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 8:44:19 PM UTC-7, Sme wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the name of the mother in this one.  Bottom right.  
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P183.html
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Eric Souza]

Chase - glad you joined FTDNA also! Cheri and the team have put in a lot of 
work - hope it pays "research dividends."


On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 8:25:11 AM UTC-7, CW wrote:
>
> I transferred my DNA results to FTDNA and joined the Azores project. But 
> I'm pretty confused by the site. Can I already begin searching for matches, 
> or do I have to purchase something first?
>
> Chase
>
> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 11:31:02 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> I checked Carlos Almeida's "Portuguese Immigrants," page 263. On that 
>> page he lists anglicized California Portuguese family names. He lists 
>> Alameda and Almeda for Almeida. He's not referring to a specific freguesia. 
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:13 PM, CW  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys. I'm pretty sure it was Almada and not Almeida, but if I 
>>> find some more DNA matches with Almada, I'd be even more confident about 
>>> it. So I'll transfer my DNA results this weekend and start exploring on 
>>> FTDNA.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:

 Yep! The were butchered in the US! 

 Rosemarie 
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:

> Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if things 
> changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!). 
>
> Mary
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  
> wrote:
>
>> Mary, 
>> Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida and 
>> Almada. These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge, 
>> Azores. In the USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I just 
>> wanted to make that clear. 
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across 
>>> the last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of 
>>> Almada. Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new 
>>> marriage index and see it its in there. 
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:
>>>
 Hello,

 I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 
 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry 
 and 
 settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, 
 my 
 suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada 
 surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. 
 Recently, 
 however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete 
 evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from. 

 Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't 
 until a couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I 
 found a 
 distant cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de 
 Almada from Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular 
 person 
 myself, when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the 
 parish 
 records, I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his 
 wife, 
 Anna. They had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time 
 that 
 my ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my 
 ancestor, 
 that would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com 
 who 
 said he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more 
 importantly, I would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's 
 birth. 

 But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a 
 different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find 
 another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and 
 see if 
 we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic 
 for 
 discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also 
 descended 
 from this family? 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: An old one, but pretty from 1650 - parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba?

[Eric Souza]

Suzanne - I was able to download my results from FTDNA and shared them on 
GEDmatch ... that way, no matter where you had your DNA done, you can share 
results with people who did it with other companies.

Going through your document!

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 10:23:17 PM UTC-7, Sme wrote:
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> Thanks, Cheri.  I will check it out.
>
> Suzanne
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> Suzanne, 
>> FTDNA is having a sale through the end of the month. You want Family 
>> Finder. They'll probably have another sale at the end of the year. If you 
>> want to take advantage of the current sale, order here: 
>> https://goo.gl/yfqYQ5
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother's name

[Eric Souza]

That's awesome, Margaret ... I love this group!

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 6:42:31 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Sorry, closed too quickly I also wanted to mention that the mother's 
> surname is not Luis and you can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm seeing 
> Maria doLiv.ra (de Oliveira).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Margaret
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Margaret Vicente <margare...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Well, Bill and you are correct.
>>
>> I searched forward and found another child. See Barbara, left page.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P196.html
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 2:18 PM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think Bill has it right. To me it's a large stylized 'M' that is 
>>> partly overwritten by a letter from the line above. Then by 'a' and an 
>>> elongated R, then 'ia' that spells Maria. Also, in my view, when you have 
>>> many, or even a few, other pieces of corroborating evidence, such as other 
>>> records, and no other possible matches, etc, this evidence has to trump 
>>> whatever we think. The marriage that Bill cited is very strong, so *absent 
>>> other possibilities*, this has to be right. To verify, find someone 
>>> named Cecilia married to person of same name in same time period, and you 
>>> will have your answer. 
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 12:41:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Souza wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Rosemarie - this wasn't my original post, just thought I could 
>>>> help with the image ... but yes, could be! Wouldn't it be funny to find a 
>>>> connection like that ...
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 9:28:02 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric, I think that you are going to need to find another baptism for 
>>>>> this couple's children to make sure. I still think it's Secilia or some 
>>>>> version of it but there is something else after that, de___Machado. I 
>>>>> can't 
>>>>> really make it out but it could be de Souza?, that fits the space. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Rosemarie 
>>>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I edited the levels a bit in Photoshop ... does this help? Edited 
>>>>>> image attached ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 8:44:19 PM UTC-7, Sme wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the name of the mother in this one.  Bottom right.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P183.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: *****Sao Jorge Marriage Index online

[Eric Souza]

I can't imagine how much time went into this. So impressed. You are all 
Genealogy Hall of Famers.

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 7:55:03 AM UTC-7, Kathy Cardoza wrote:
>
> That’s great, Eric! I’m so glad that you found the index to be so helpful 
> and that it helped you discover more about your family!
>
> Kathy
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
> ~~~
>
>
>
> On Aug 16, 2017, at 11:39 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
> This is AMAZING!! WOW - what a resource!! Thank you to everyone who worked 
> on this. I believe it might have just opened up a huge "pai incognito" gap 
> in my direct paternal line!!
>
> You guys are amazing. Thank you for what must have been countless 
> hundreds/thousands of hours on this.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Confession Rolls: José Machado Gomes and Maria Jesus in Ribeira Seca

[Eric Souza]

Thank you!! Don't know how I missed that. I'd been focusing too much on the 
1822 records ...

Looks like filha de Francisco Texeira Mancebo and Rosa Josefa?

Thanks,
Eric


On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 4:33:04 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Eric,
>
> Have look, Antonio, bottom left
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1820-1842/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1820-1842_item1/P5.html
>
> Margaret
>
> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Through FamilySearch, I have possibly found a continuation of my António 
>> Caetano de Azevedo line. FamilySearch shows him as the son of José Machado 
>> Gomes and Maria Jesus in Ribeira Seca, though previously I had only seen 
>> Antonio as son of Maria Jesus and Pai Incognito.
>>
>> I looked through the new Ribeira Seca confessional rolls, and found this, 
>> with what looks to be Antonio and his mother, Maria Jesus ... looks like 
>> this would be António's family. There is a reference to José Machado Gomes 
>> living with them ... possibly father?
>>
>> Then I found this marriage record, with help from the marriage index (top 
>> right):
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849_item1/P86.html
>>
>> *18 Jun 1836*
>> *Jose Gomes de Azevedo*
>> *fillo de Manuel Gomes and of Rosa de Santa Antonio*
>>
>>
>> Maria de Jesus, fa de Francisco ?Texeira Machado? e Rosa Jose?
>>
>> Can you guys give me extra sets of eyes?
>>
>> Finally, I don't know where these dates came from, because I can't find 
>> his baptism record, but I have Antonio's birthdate as 22 Feb 1822, while 
>> FamilySearch has it as 7 Feb 1820. Finding neither, though probably just 
>> overlooking ...
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> - Eric
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Confession Rolls: José Machado Gomes and Maria Jesus in Ribeira Seca

[Eric Souza]

Yes, page 70 of the 1839 rolls shows José Machado Gomes and Maria Jesus 
with Margarida and Jose, but without Antonio (who was 18 by then?) and 
without their youngest, Teresa ... would definitely be interested in seeing 
the '44. Holy cow, there's so much data out there that I don't have!


On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 6:37:41 PM UTC-7, Jeremy G. B-C: 
Researching Sao Jorge wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Since you seem to be using the 1832 Roll, have you checked the 1839 one 
> too?
>
> I'll have to dig up the othe Ribeira Seca Confessional Rolls and have 
> Kathy put them online too. I might have like an 1844 or something like 
> that. 
>  
> So glad that you are finding them, and the marriage index to be helpful.
>
> JEREMY
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Confession Rolls: José Machado Gomes and Maria Jesus in Ribeira Seca

[Eric Souza]

This group is the best. Thanks for going over this with me. I also wondered 
about the Mancebo (which was passed down through generations to my 
great-grandmother, Mary Catan Mancebo in Sausalito, CA) and the Mendonca. 
The investigation continues ...

- Eric


On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 5:32:52 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> You're welcome.  Yes, that's what it says.  It looks like the Godparents 
> are related to the Mom as well.
>
> Eric, in case you haven't noticed the Rol/Census also shows Aside from 
> Antonio a few more grandchildren; Margarida, Jose and Teresa.  
>
> Also there is a name differentiation Mancebo in the birth record v/s 
> Mendonca in the Census that should be tracked.
>
> Take care,
> Margaret
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Thank you!! Don't know how I missed that. I'd been focusing too much on 
>> the 1822 records ...
>>
>> Looks like filha de Francisco Texeira Mancebo and Rosa Josefa?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 4:33:04 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> Have look, Antonio, bottom left
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1820-1842/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1820-1842_item1/P5.html
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Eric Souza <ericchar...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Through FamilySearch, I have possibly found a continuation of my 
>>>> António Caetano de Azevedo line. FamilySearch shows him as the son of José 
>>>> Machado Gomes and Maria Jesus in Ribeira Seca, though previously I had 
>>>> only 
>>>> seen Antonio as son of Maria Jesus and Pai Incognito.
>>>>
>>>> I looked through the new Ribeira Seca confessional rolls, and found 
>>>> this, with what looks to be Antonio and his mother, Maria Jesus ... looks 
>>>> like this would be António's family. There is a reference to José Machado 
>>>> Gomes living with them ... possibly father?
>>>>
>>>> Then I found this marriage record, with help from the marriage index 
>>>> (top right):
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849_item1/P86.html
>>>>
>>>> *18 Jun 1836*
>>>> *Jose Gomes de Azevedo*
>>>> *fillo de Manuel Gomes and of Rosa de Santa Antonio*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maria de Jesus, fa de Francisco ?Texeira Machado? e Rosa Jose?
>>>>
>>>> Can you guys give me extra sets of eyes?
>>>>
>>>> Finally, I don't know where these dates came from, because I can't find 
>>>> his baptism record, but I have Antonio's birthdate as 22 Feb 1822, while 
>>>> FamilySearch has it as 7 Feb 1820. Finding neither, though probably just 
>>>> overlooking ...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> - Eric
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Seca Confession Rolls: José Machado Gomes and Maria Jesus in Ribeira Seca

[Eric Souza]

Thanks, Jeremy, that would be terrific! Connecting on Facebook ...

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 6:37:53 PM UTC-7, Jeremy G. B-C: 
Researching Sao Jorge wrote:
>
> Eric, 
>
> I actually have the legitimization files for all of the villages in the 
> council of Calheta.  If you contact me privatelty I can try to look these 
> guys up in them for you. If he WAS legitimized, that would explain alot.
>
> JEREMY
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: An old one, but pretty from 1650 - parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba?

[Eric Souza]

Awesome! Yes, we are! Have you done your DNA? I'm in GEDmatch at T153402 
... also would be happy to share my Ancestry tree ...

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 9:58:11 AM UTC-7, climb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Eric !We are cousins!Apolonia Dias de Borba and Diogo Nunes Belo 
> are my 8th great grandmother, with her parents being my 9th.  (assuming  
> these people are your ancestors)  
>
> Suzanne
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 10:36:06 AM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>
>> Here's another that has extended my tree ... can someone help me identify 
>> the names of the parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba?
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1631-1696/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1631-1696_item1/P12.html
>>
>> It's the second one on the left ...
>>
>> Diogo, fo de Joao Nunes Bello (defunto) e de Maria de Almeida
>> Appellonia Dias de Borba, fa de Antonio ?? e Andreza Jorge?
>>
>> Thanks for the look!
>>
>> - Eric
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Antonio Caetano de Azevedo

[Eric Souza]

In the top right of this one, for the parents of Antonio Caetano de 
Azevedo, I see the pai incognito, but can anyone make out a last name for 
his mother? Maria ... ?? 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849_item1/P126.html

This document also confirms for me Barbara Emilia da Silveira's parents - 
Antonio Machado Viera and Inacia Rosa Silveira ... 

Anything else interesting that you guys can make out?

The marriage index is going to give me SO MUCH to go on. Thank you again, 
researchers.

- Eric

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[AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA Promo Code?

[Eric Souza]

I missed the FTDNA sale, and wanted to get my in-laws set up with Family 
Finder. Does anyone have a promo code for them I could use?

Thanks,
Eric

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA Promo Code?

[Eric Souza]

Thank you - that worked!

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 12:27:52 PM UTC-7, João Ventura wrote:
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> Hi Eric,
>
> You can usually get a pretty good discount for FTDNA in groupon.com. Try 
> here: https://www.groupon.com/deals/family-tree-dna-1-1-national
>
> João Ventura
> https://tombo.pt/en
>
> On Sunday, 3 September 2017 01:22:03 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Promo codes are only the year end Holiday Sale. Cheri
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: UPEC Membership records on Azores GenWeb

[Eric Souza]

Kathy, you are amazing - what a terrific resource.

On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 11:35:10 AM UTC-7, Kathy Cardoza wrote:
>
> On my recent trip to Salt Lake City’s Family History Library for the 
> Azores Genealogy Conference, I completed digitizing the remainder of the 
> UPEC Membership Records.  The collection is now complete on the Azores 
> GenWeb site. 
>
> If you’re not familiar with these records ….. they are for California 
> ancestors only. The UPEC is a fraternal society that many of our ancestors 
> joined for the insurance benefits as well as the socializing with others 
> from their country of origin. They list men only but mothers, wives, 
> children, etc. may be listed as their beneficiary. They can be an important 
> resource for finding out the details of where your ancestor came from. Go 
> here to find out more (you may want to copy and paste the links):  
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/fraternal-societies/
>
> The records are listed here:  
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/fraternal-societies/upec-records.html
>
> New records recently added:
>
> San Leandro #55, E. Oakland, Madera, Sonora, Valona, Newcastle, Folsom. 
> Roseville, Guadalupe, Santa Maria, Crockett, Gilroy, Chico, Palo Alto, Mt. 
> View, Santa Maria, Newman, Point Loma, San Juan Baptista, Vacaville, 
> Vallejo, Los Banos, Turlock, Lincoln, Castroville, Atwater, Fort Bragg, 
> Felton, Oakland #82, Oakley, S. San Francisco, Greenview and Etna, Rodeo, 
> Elmhurst, E. San Jose, San Luis Obispo, Martinez, and Napa.
>
> Enjoy!
> Good luck and happy hunting!
> Kathy
> ~~~
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>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 2017 Azores Genealogy Conference

[Eric Souza]

So jealous - hope you guys had a great time!

On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 11:44:09 AM UTC-7, Kathy Cardoza wrote:
>
> Well, the latest Azores conference concluded yesterday. I attended, and 
> felt that Cheri Mello and Rosemarie Capodicci did a fabulous job organizing 
> all the classes and materials. I saw nothing but big smiles on everyone’s 
> faces and heard many comments about how much was learned from the classes 
> and individual help folks received. As an added bonus, you get to meet new 
> friends you’ve shared emails or postings with and, of course, spend time 
> and swap stories with friends you’ve met before. 
>
> Thank you both for all you do to further our Azorean research and for to 
> help our little community! Your work is very much appreciated!
>
> Kathy Cardoza
> ~~~
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