Another item to note - Alexander had married Mary Catan Mancebo in Sausalito, and on the 1910 census, I don't see Alex and Mary ... the rest of the Mancebo family is there, as well as some Souza and Borba families, but I can't find them in 1910! Wondering if he didn't want to be counted, if he was there illegally ...
On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:16:59 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote: > > Hi all! Thanks so much! Yes, Carrie is my sister and Bob is my father, but > this family history was always a mystery until recently ... the 1896 Ellis > Island information mentioned above is something that I haven't seen, though > it's someplace to look, definitely! > > Thank you for sharing the UPEC information - there is so much that I don't > know!! > > Alex was in Sausalito in 1910 - they had my grandfather in 1909. I > submitted a request for my grandfather, Edward's birth record from Marin > County, and received a "File Not Found" response. I will try San Francisco, > because I would really like to have that ... > > The church where he was baptized, Star of the Sea Church in Sausalito, > told me to go in person and I can look at the books, but they don't have > the resources to look up genealogy requests. :-/ > > Can't wait to meet all of you in SLC - I bought my plane ticket and have > my room reserved! Sending the check for the registration on Monday. > > Thanks again! > > - Eric > > > > > On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 2:54:33 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote: >> >> Marilyn, this sounds like they could all be relatives of Eric's. >> Hopefully he may be able to connect with them if he doesn't know them. The >> immigration info is there to check too. >> Are we going to see you sometime the week we are in SLC?? >> Hope to see you! >> >> Rosemarie >> [email protected] >> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >> >> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I did a little looking around and found this post. It does not give much >>> information, but it looks like it could be from someone related to you. >>> Also the second one has arrival information. Notice that both of these >>> posts are old, but worth a try. This is the link where these were located: >>> http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/sjorge.html >>> >>> *Carrie Souza*, 163 Clark Street, San >Rafael, Ca. 94901, USA >>> Email: [email protected] >>> Date submitted: before 1998 >>> Village: Unknown >>> Surnames: Souza, Mancebo, De Souza, Caetano (Quietano), Maciel. >>> Comments: I am trying to learn about my relatives form the Azores. My >>> grandfather was Edward Alexander Souza, born 10/21/09 died, 8/21/94 in >>> Sausalito, Ca. Great grandmother was Mary Catan Mancebo born 02/18/1888 >>> died 11/22/20 in Sausalito. Mary Catan Mancebo's mother was Mercianna >>> Emilia Maciel, born in 1861 in the Azores. On 01/07/1886, Maricianna >>> married José Quientano Mancebo, born in 1885 in the Azores. Jose mother was >>> Barbara Emilia Quietano and his father was Antonio Quietano. Marcianna's >>> mother was Maria Santo Maciel and her father was João José Maciel. Great >>> grandfather was Alexander De Souza, born in 1883 in São Jorge and died >>> 03/13/15. All I know of Alexander's father was that he was born in São >>> Jorge and died in Portugal. >>> >>> There was a second post: >>> >>> *Robert Souza*, 129 Round Court, Petaluma, CA 94952 >>> Email: [email protected] or [email protected] >>> Date submitted: 19 Aug 2010 >>> Location: Sao Jorge (village unknown) >>> Surname: Souza >>> Comments: My husband, Robert Souza and I are going to the Azores in two >>> weeks. He would like to locate any relatives from his grandfather's side. >>> His grandfather’s name was *Alexander Souza *and came through Ellis >>> Island in 1896. Ellis Island had him listed as Alexander De Souza. We >>> believe he was born around 1880. Everything states that he came from *Sao >>> Jorge, Portugal *but doesn't tell us anything else. We know of no >>> other relatives of his that emigrated. If we had a birth village we could >>> locate records and perhaps relatives. >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Eric, the UPEC is/was a Fraternal Organization that sold insurance >>>> policies to Portuguese and also other immigrants (Italian, German, Swiss >>>> etc.) The nice thing about finding your people is that often there are >>>> other relatives in the same Councelho/Coucil. You also may find parent >>>> names of an immigrant that is still in the 'old country' because they were >>>> listed as the beneficiaries of the life insurance policy. Then, when your >>>> single immigrant got married the parent name was crossed out the the wife >>>> was listed. It also is a place to verify your island of birth and if you >>>> are lucky, the village! >>>> >>>> >>>> Rosemarie >>>> [email protected] >>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Eric Souza <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, everything between his birth and marriage at this point is >>>>> conjecture ... I would love to know when he came to the US, and what >>>>> family >>>>> he ended up with in the Bay Area ... >>>>> >>>>> I'm sorry for the ignorant question, but I'm still learning - what are >>>>> UPEC records? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you!! >>>>> >>>>> - Eric >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 11:18:04 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Eric, what exactly are you trying to find? Your grandfather's place >>>>>> between his landing in the US and his marriage?? I don't think that you >>>>>> are >>>>>> going to find out how he ended up in Saucelito unless he had family he >>>>>> was >>>>>> coming to live with?? We sometimes find all of the docs we can and still >>>>>> never know the reasoning behind a move to a certain place. Usually it's >>>>>> because they had other Portuguese from their village or family in that >>>>>> place. I see that you haven't looked at the UPEC records for that area. >>>>>> I >>>>>> will look at the film on Tues when I go to work at the Family History >>>>>> Cntr >>>>>> here and see what I can find for you. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Rosemarie >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >>>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Conterrâneos, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’ve been researching my Souza family heritage (Souza, Borba and >>>>>>> Cunha descendants from São Jorge) and specifically how my >>>>>>> great-grandfather >>>>>>> came to Sausalito in the late 1800s (or possibly very early 1900s). A >>>>>>> few >>>>>>> months ago, this forum helped me identify the birth record for my >>>>>>> great-grandfather, Alexander Souza >>>>>>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889_item1/P92.html>, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> from Topo. I'm so grateful! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My great-grandfather, Alexander Souza, was born August 7, 1882, in >>>>>>> Topo, São Jorge, and died March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. His parents >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> Manoel Jozé da Cunha and Roza Delfina – he was the only son with the >>>>>>> Souza >>>>>>> surname – his four siblings were all named da Cunha, but his >>>>>>> grandparents >>>>>>> were de Sousa de Borba (which is likely why he was named Souza?). He >>>>>>> had >>>>>>> three sisters on São Jorge, and one brother - João da Cunha (born 1885 >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> São Jorge). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He was also known on his probate (here is a link to download his >>>>>>> probate >>>>>>> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57041182/Alex-Souza-Probate.pdf>) >>>>>>> as “Alexander Souza Borba” and “Alexander S Borba”. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Family legend says he was a whaler. Since there are no records that >>>>>>> I have found for him immigrating legally (no voting records in Marin >>>>>>> County, CA, or listings on the Atlantic ship manifests into New >>>>>>> Bedford), I >>>>>>> am guessing he came over illegally on a whaling boat in 1897 or early >>>>>>> 1898 >>>>>>> when he was 15, to avoid conscription to the Portuguese military – >>>>>>> required >>>>>>> at age 16. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He might have come on a whaling ship to one of the east coast ports. >>>>>>> If so, once he jumped ship in New England (I’m assuming New Bedford), >>>>>>> he >>>>>>> would have likely taken the train over to San Francisco. I have been in >>>>>>> contact with the New Bedford Whaling Museum, and they said they only >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> records of the whalemen who shipped from the port of New Bedford. But >>>>>>> if I >>>>>>> can identify the name of a vessel, they I could contact Joan Barney, >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> librarian in the genealogy room at the New Bedford library. Apparently, >>>>>>> they have some shipping records in their collection for a select number >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> vessels and some of them do list the names of those who joined >>>>>>> mid-voyage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Again, that's all speculation on my part. There were no Atlantic >>>>>>> whalers that went on pacific voyages after 1892, so he wouldn't have >>>>>>> taken >>>>>>> a boat directly to San Francisco. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no record that I have found of him between his birth and >>>>>>> his marriage in 1907 to Mary Catan Mancebo in Sausalito. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There were dairies in Sausalito and Mill Valley (specifically >>>>>>> Tennessee Valley) that were owned by immigrants from São Jorge. A da >>>>>>> Cunha >>>>>>> family (I think it was Manoel Ferreira da Cunha, born Oct 1848, São >>>>>>> Jorge) >>>>>>> owned a large dairy there. Then there was another dairy shown on the >>>>>>> 1880 >>>>>>> Census by partners Antonio Souza (born about 1850), Antonio Borba >>>>>>> (1853), >>>>>>> August Silva (1846) and Manuel Souza (1859). I'm guessing that these >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> possibly cousins, but I haven't been able to identify the connection to >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> of them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There was also an Alexander Souza showing up in Point Reyes (western >>>>>>> Marin County) on the 1900 census, but the ages don’t match up … also an >>>>>>> Alexander Souza Borba in the East Bay ... my Alex's padrinho was >>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>> de Souza de Borba (born 1857) ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So that's a basic recap of where I am in my search for how Alexander >>>>>>> Souza ended up in Sausalito! 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