Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

About 1910-1911 they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our grandkids deal with that one! LOL Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

Thanks Leonor; I thought that was the case but; I had remembered once someone saying that it was never with an “s” or maybe the person said never a “z”. Can’t remember which. Anyway, a function of time period. Thanks, Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: Leonor Bertoni Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

If you are 26% Spanish, then you have one grandparent who is from Spain. You know who that grandparent is? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:19 AM Leonor Bertoni wrote:

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

Yes, most of us now just use the modern spelling. It's a headache down the road when you get a few thousand people. Say the marriage says Manoel da Souza and Marianna da Trindade, I enter Manuel da Sousa and Mariana da Trindade and I put in the marriage note field "married as Manoel da Souza and

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

Cheri, I have learned not to make assumptions, lol. I was just wondering out loud but until I have some sort of paper trail I will not have any faith in my thoughts as they are just that, thoughts and wonderings. On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:55 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > If you are using the DNA

[AZORES-Genealogy] Name patterns in genealogy programs

Hi all; I’ve been trying to see if I can follow Cheri’s procedure in my familytreemaker program. That is First name/names followed by de/da/do and surname only in surname field. So far, I only see one space for inputting the name and it is for the full name. Am I missing something? Is

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] I am trying to get my search for ancestors from Flores, Azores

Rosemarie: Thank you very much for the information you have provided. It gives me a place to start. My cousin Rosanne reads and writes Portuguese so between the two of us we should get this figured out with the help of the reference materials. Thanks again, Bob On Fri, Mar 1, 2019, 6:41 PM

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] I am trying to get my search for ancestors from Flores, Azores

Robert, This could be the link for your grandmother Maria http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAGRANDE-B-1861-1889/FLR-LF-FAJAGRANDE-B-1861-1889_item1/P410.html The following is a rough translation: On the first day of the month of January in the year 1889 in this

[AZORES-Genealogy] July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?

I’m doing obits right now and I have two siblings, one 11 months and the other 15 days old that died 9 days apart in July of 1900. (July 20 and 29th) So sad. Out of curiosity, does anyone know of some disaster that occurred around that time on Santa Maria island? Sickness, earthquake, ??

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

OK Leonor. It's difficult to tell when someone "wonders out loud" in an email. We just have to pretty much take the writing at face value. I just didn't want you wandering down a path that may be false if what you wrote was taken at face value. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching:

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

No worries. I appreciate that, I am so very new at this and it’s nice to have people keeping me grounded. On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 7:12 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > OK Leonor. It's difficult to tell when someone "wonders out loud" in an > email. We just have to pretty much take the writing at face

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name patterns in genealogy programs

Sam, maybe you missed Rick's response. You put backslashes around the \surname\. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 4:41 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] I am trying to get my search for ancestors from Flores, Azores

They may both be siblings of Bob G's Maria. If his Maria was born on 31 Dec 1889, the baptism should appear in January of 1890. Unless he's off a year. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri,

[AZORES-Genealogy] I am trying to get my search for ancestors from Flores, Azores

I am having a difficult time trying to find the correct place to search for information about my paternal grandparents. I do know that my grandmother Maria, Gloria Rodrigues (name from manifest) born 31 December 18.89 in Faja Grande, Flores, Azores. Her father's name is listed as Francisco

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] I am trying to get my search for ancestors from Flores, Azores

Sounds like someone has found the baptisms so you need to search for other children. Good Luck, Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 4:49 PM Robert Gonsalves wrote: >

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

Oohhh but the “when we take over” would be music to my ears!! How wonderful!! Susan Vargas Murphy who has been at this a long time and wonders “who will take over”!! > On Mar 1, 2019, at 9:37 AM, Leonor Bertoni wrote: > > Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

LOL, you are s right!! Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 2:10 PM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Oohhh but the “when we take

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name patterns in genealogy programs

I believe Rick is correct. I'm not a FTM user, but I don't think that program asks for Given Names and then Last Name. I think it just asks for Name and does the American thing of assuming the very last name is the surname. It doesn't work that way in all countries. Cheri Mello Listowner,

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name patterns in genealogy programs

Rosemarie; Unfortunately, the FamilyTree program only has a “name” field with one blank line. Unless, there is a way I am not aware of, entirely possible, to change it to “Given” and “Surname” fields. If any FamilyTree users out there know of a way to do that, I would sure appreciate you

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

Thank you. I was not aware of that.  Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: Gonçalo Marques Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 1:05 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s" Trindade refers to Santíssima Trindade, the Holy Trinity Cheers Gonçalo Virus-free.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] I am trying to get my search for ancestors from Flores, Azores

Robert, You have a lot of good info. You really need to go to the AzoresGenWeb site here: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ and read all of the "how too" helps. There is a book that has Flores marriages for the Concelho (county) of Lages. That would include Faja Grande. I've found a marrriag of

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name patterns in genealogy programs

That is the same method I use in TMG. Sorting and searching by last name is much easier without the de’s, da’s, do’s, and dos’s, and of course it prints out in the right order. In FTM the last time I used it you had to use I think back-slashes at each end of the last name for example: Maria da

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I am trying to get my search for ancestors from Flores, Azores

Hi Robert, Portuguese last names can be frustrating, to be sure! Rosemary gave you a great site to get started, and it has some good info on the naming practices. I had a quick look for Maria's baptism in the baptism books for Faja Grande around the date that you gave for her birthday, but

[AZORES-Genealogy] Another surname question: Santos and dos Santos

If one uses the back-slashes for the surname both Santos and dos /Santos/ would show up with only Santos as the surname. They are two distinctly different surnames, are they not> Sam (Mazatlán, MX) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name patterns in genealogy programs

Sam, I use Legacy but when I am in the "Given " name field, I write it as Maria da Gloria de and then Sousa in the "Surname" Field. When it prints out it comes out Maria da Gloria de Sousa all in a row. I would think that FTM does the same? Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge,

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name patterns in genealogy programs

Rick and Cheri; Thanks so much for this info. Now that you’ve said it, I recall having read that before. If only I had been intelligent enough to do it that way! Now, I have some 5,000 plus names, with a large percentage being Portuguese and I will have to go back and add the back-slashes.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name patterns in genealogy programs

Wow, that's too bad! Maybe you need to do the name as Richard says with the /Sousa/ around the 'Surname'? That's what we used to have to do with PAF. Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Fri,

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name patterns in genealogy programs

Messages crossed in ciber space. LOL! Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: Cheri Mello Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 5:48 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name patterns in genealogy programs Sam, maybe you missed Rick's response. You put backslashes around the \surname\. Cheri Mello

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?

Could be a contagious illness as well. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 4:51 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I’m doing

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another surname question: Santos and dos Santos

Santos is the surname. "dos" the prefix. Literally: dos= of the (plural) Santos= Saints. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:37 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother and said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this ancestry stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this frustration” I silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance is bliss,

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

I do not! BUT it is safe to assume that it is my father’s father as I do not know who he is. My paternal grandmother was a Lady of the night”, my entire life I believed my paternal grandfather to be “incognito” as it says on my birth certificate, but recently found my brother’s birth certificate

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

If you are using the DNA ethnicity estimates to assume your grandfather was Spanish and from Taragona, that's a dangerous assumption. DNA ethnicity ESTIMATES are just that - ESTIMATES. They are kinda in the toddler stage of life. My dad, who is 50% Portuguese was classified as a good chunk of

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

Trindade refers to Santíssima Trindade, the Holy Trinity Cheers Gonçalo Virus-free. www.avast.com

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation?

It is record # 10. (Info in a separate thread and not attached to this thread). Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:01 AM Ray B wrote: > I went back to the website and

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

All along I thought Trindade was a surname. I knew about devotional names, just didn't know Trindade was one. Guess I don't know my saints very well.  Thanks for the clarification Cheri.On Mar 1, 2019 12:21 PM, Cheri Mello wrote:Trindade is not her surname. It's part of her given name. Many women

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

Z and S can sound the same in Portuguese. And it's a 5 syllable word. I'm wondering how "b" becomes "g" and a syllable gets dropped if your theory is correct. You have your immigrant ancestor from Spain to Lagoa and know he settled there? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel

[AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

Cheri; Speaking of “z” and “s” , I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza along with several other changes in spelling in the various records. Is it a function of time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering this. I know Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I think

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

Trindade is not her surname. It's part of her given name. Many women take a devotional name as their middle name. The 2nd time period (1860 or so - 1911 or so) the women didn't have surnames. So if they didn't have surnames, I don't force one. It didn't happen there and I"m not going to put my

[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation?

I went back to the website and found the record again for my great grandfather's baptism. It is: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-SANTOAMARO-B-1860-1869/SJR-VL-SANTOAMARO-B-1860-1869_item1/P13.html I hope someone can help with this translation his name was

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

I do not have my immigrant yet, I just know that I’m 26% Spanish, this could be from my dad’s side as he was from the mainland. I honestly don’t know but it will be fun investigating! On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:01 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > Z and S can sound the same in Portuguese. And it's a 5

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

In your opinion, should I record all names with the “modern” spelling for ease of searching or will that only cause more confusion down the line? Also, I’m thinking of eliminating the “de”, “da”, “do” since it seems to cause problems for my computer program, Familytree, when searching for

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

Curious and hoping to learn, Cheri. Why do you leave the female surname blank if it is given? (Trindade). I leave it blank unless one is listed in the record but; put it in when it shows in the record.. Thanks , Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: Cheri Mello Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 11:16 AM To:

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen Joze, Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario where as today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario. Interestingly enough, the Spanish kept the “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc. On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation?

Ray, this Domingos was born to a single mother named Isabela Mechelina (Meguelina) Sent from my iPad > On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:04 AM, Ray B wrote: > > I went back to the website and found the record again for my great > grandfather's baptism. It is: >

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation?

Thank you! From: 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 2:33 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation? Ray, this Domingos was born to a single mother named Isabela Mechelina (Meguelina) Sent from my iPad On Mar 1, 2019,

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another surname question: Santos and dos Santos

Hmm, I guess my question should have been phrased differently. In the same time period, there are many with the surname Santos but; only a few who go by dos Santos. Different family lines? No other surnames are included on any of the dos Santos that I’ve seen but; Santos sometimes stands

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?

There are no major natural disasters listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disasters_in_the_Azores So, I'm with Cheri and am putting my money on an epidemic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseases_and_epidemics_of_the_19th_century A long while back, I read a 19th century

[AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

Sorry, record No. 33, again. On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38, wrote: > So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks like > Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in Tarragona, > Spain. I am 26% Spanish. > > >