Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Francisco, I'm glad you're here sharing yuur experience with us!
I really think that there will be a day when English spokesmen will be able
to buy these books in an English version, people just need to know they
exist and the added value they bring to our portuguese Genealogy
researches.

A sexta, 22 de mar de 2019, 19:51, Genealogia sem segredos <
genealogiasemsegre...@gmail.com> escreveu:

> Dear Angela;
>
> Thank you very much for your kind words.
>
> The subject of Names is much more complex than what is said in the
> abovementioned book. We made it a little bit too simple. We had to, because
> that was just a small part of the book.
>
> That is why me and Cristina we are writing down a second book, only on
> Names, Surnames, Nicknames, and so on. This second book is harder. We are
> working on it for more than 2 years…
>
> Unfortunately, I doubt that this new work, like the first one, will ever
> be published in other language aside from Portuguese. But we have to keep
> on trying.
>
> Francisco
>
>
>
> Francisco Queiroz
> ("Genealogia sem segredos" researcher)
>
>
>
>
> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia sexta, 22/03/2019
> à(s) 01:03:
>
>> « Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este
>> provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma
>> família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de
>> devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das
>> mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo
>> da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do
>> Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem
>> qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto -
>> quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas
>> documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o
>> mesmo indivíduo.»
>> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
>> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros,
>> página 207.
>>
>> This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true
>> life saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.
>>
>> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019
>> à(s) 14:36:
>>
>>> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
>>> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
>>> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
>>> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
>>> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
>>> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
>>> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
>>> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
>>> still haven't figured out.
>>> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to
>>> see if the authors refer anything about this.
>>>
>>> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
>>> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao
>>>> Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation
>>>> thereof and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in
>>>> other cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from
>>>> Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why?
>>>> Who know's?
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy the puzzle!
>>>> Nancy Jean
>>>> --
>>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>>>> Leonor Bertoni 
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>>
>>>> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
>>>> first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
>>>> João do Rego Nicolau.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me
&

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

6, nancy jean baptiste <
>>>> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao
>>>>> Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation
>>>>> thereof and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in
>>>>> other cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from
>>>>> Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took 
>>>>> Silva...why?
>>>>> Who know's?
>>>>>
>>>>> Enjoy the puzzle!
>>>>> Nancy Jean
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf
>>>>> of Leonor Bertoni 
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
>>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their
>>>>> father's first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son
>>>>> will be João do Rego Nicolau.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me
>>>>> nutso.  Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
>>>>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>>>>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa.
>>>>> The bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot
>>>>> recall if I have seen the bride change her baptismal name.  *
>>>>>
>>>>> *Rick*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>>>> azores@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
>>>>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would
>>>>> marry and change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk
>>>>> about making our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, 
>>>>> talk
>>>>> about a “kiss up”! LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what.  I’m
>>>>> trying to fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really 
>>>>> count
>>>>> on tracking down all the marriages and obits, etc.  Was hoping to do it
>>>>> just through births/baptisms.  Oh well, I never really expected to finish
>>>>> my tree!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks guys,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM
>>>>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>>>>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes
>>>>> took her mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family
>>>>> better. *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Rick*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Ângela Loura]

Some small changes:

“A second name of devotion may be regarded as a last name if it came from
previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in
subsequent generations. However, these second main/first names of devotion
often were not last names and, especially in the case of women, were even
the most often abandoned or exchanged throughout life. Hence a hypothetical
Maria, daughter of Miguel Lobo and Ana do Rosário, would appear in her
marriage like Maria do Sacramento and without any last name; in her death
as Maria Loba; and at the baptism of a grandson - when she was already
deceased - like Maria do Rosário. If there are documental gaps, these
changes make us doubt that we are before the same individual. "
- QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DISCOVER YOUR ORIGINS -
Genealogy and Family History Manual», 2016, Esfera dos Livros , page 207.


A sexta, 22 de mar de 2019, 03:18, JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> escreveu:

> Angela, I had to get that translated.  :)
>
> “A second name of devotion may be regarded as a nickname if it came from
> previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in
> subsequent generations. However, these second proper names of devotion
> often were not nicknames and, especially in the case of women, were even
> the most often abandoned or exchanged throughout life. Hence a hypothetical
> Maria, daughter of Miguel Lobo and Ana of the Rosary, to be able to appear
> in its marriage like Maria of the Sacrament and without any nickname; in
> his death as Maria Loba; and at the baptism of a grandson - when she was
> already deceased - like Maria do Rosário. If there are documentary gaps,
> these changes make us doubt that we are before the same individual. "
> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DISCOVER THEIR ORIGINS -
> Genealogy and Family History Manual», 2016, Sphere of Books, page 207.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 6:03 PM Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
>> « Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este
>> provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma
>> família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de
>> devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das
>> mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo
>> da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do
>> Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem
>> qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto -
>> quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas
>> documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o
>> mesmo indivíduo.»
>> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
>> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros,
>> página 207.
>>
>> This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true
>> life saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.
>>
>> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019
>> à(s) 14:36:
>>
>>> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
>>> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
>>> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
>>> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
>>> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
>>> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
>>> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
>>> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
>>> still haven't figured out.
>>> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to
>>> see if the authors refer anything about this.
>>>
>>> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
>>> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao
>>>> Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation
>>>> thereof and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in
>>>> other cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from
>>>> Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why?
>>>> Who know's?
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy the puzzle!
>>>> Nancy Jean
&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Genealogia sem segredos]

Dear Angela;

Thank you very much for your kind words.

The subject of Names is much more complex than what is said in the
abovementioned book. We made it a little bit too simple. We had to, because
that was just a small part of the book.

That is why me and Cristina we are writing down a second book, only on
Names, Surnames, Nicknames, and so on. This second book is harder. We are
working on it for more than 2 years…

Unfortunately, I doubt that this new work, like the first one, will ever be
published in other language aside from Portuguese. But we have to keep on
trying.

Francisco



Francisco Queiroz
("Genealogia sem segredos" researcher)




Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia sexta, 22/03/2019 à(s)
01:03:

> « Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este
> provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma
> família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de
> devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das
> mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo
> da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do
> Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem
> qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto -
> quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas
> documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o
> mesmo indivíduo.»
> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros,
> página 207.
>
> This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true
> life saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.
>
> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019
> à(s) 14:36:
>
>> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
>> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
>> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
>> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
>> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
>> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
>> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
>> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
>> still haven't figured out.
>> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to see
>> if the authors refer anything about this.
>>
>> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
>> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao
>>> Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation
>>> thereof and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in
>>> other cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from
>>> Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why?
>>> Who know's?
>>>
>>> Enjoy the puzzle!
>>> Nancy Jean
>>> --
>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>>> Leonor Bertoni 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>
>>> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
>>> first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
>>> João do Rego Nicolau.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.
>>> Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
>>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa.
>>> The bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot
>>> recall if I have seen the bride change her baptismal name.  *
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Angela, I had to get that translated.  :)

“A second name of devotion may be regarded as a nickname if it came from
previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in
subsequent generations. However, these second proper names of devotion
often were not nicknames and, especially in the case of women, were even
the most often abandoned or exchanged throughout life. Hence a hypothetical
Maria, daughter of Miguel Lobo and Ana of the Rosary, to be able to appear
in its marriage like Maria of the Sacrament and without any nickname; in
his death as Maria Loba; and at the baptism of a grandson - when she was
already deceased - like Maria do Rosário. If there are documentary gaps,
these changes make us doubt that we are before the same individual. "
- QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DISCOVER THEIR ORIGINS -
Genealogy and Family History Manual», 2016, Sphere of Books, page 207.




On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 6:03 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> « Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este
> provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma
> família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de
> devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das
> mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo
> da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do
> Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem
> qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto -
> quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas
> documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o
> mesmo indivíduo.»
> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros,
> página 207.
>
> This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true
> life saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.
>
> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019
> à(s) 14:36:
>
>> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
>> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
>> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
>> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
>> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
>> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
>> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
>> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
>> still haven't figured out.
>> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to see
>> if the authors refer anything about this.
>>
>> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
>> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao
>>> Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation
>>> thereof and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in
>>> other cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from
>>> Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why?
>>> Who know's?
>>>
>>> Enjoy the puzzle!
>>> Nancy Jean
>>> --
>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>>> Leonor Bertoni 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>
>>> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
>>> first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
>>> João do Rego Nicolau.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.
>>> Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
>>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa.
>>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[JR]

I have seen a few. My ancestor was baptised Bernardina and upon Quaresma, 
her name was changed to Claudina. It drove me nuts until I found her 
baptism, where priest stated on margin she changed her name to Claudina. I 
have seen perhaps three or four. Marianna and Maria Anna sometimes causes 
confusion. 

JR

On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 2:19:45 PM UTC-4, Ângela Loura wrote:
>
> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only 
> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name 
> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da 
> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually 
> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's 
> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst 
> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a 
> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we 
> still haven't figured out.
> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to see 
> if the authors refer anything about this. 
>
> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishso...@hotmail.com > escreveu:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao Jorge 
>> index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation thereof 
>> and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in other 
>> cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from Candelaria 
>> took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why? Who know's?
>>
>> Enjoy the puzzle!
>> Nancy Jean
>> ------
>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  > > on behalf of Leonor Bertoni > >
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria) 
>>  
>> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's 
>> first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be 
>> João do Rego Nicolau. 
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.  
>> Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
>> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa. The 
>> bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot recall if 
>> I have seen the bride change her baptismal name.  *
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy > > 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would 
>> marry and change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk 
>> about making our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, talk 
>> about a “kiss up”! LOL!  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what.  I’m trying 
>> to fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count on 
>> tracking down all the marriages and obits, etc.  Was hoping to do it just 
>> through births/baptisms.  Oh well, I never really expected to finish my 
>> tree! 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks guys,  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM
>> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes took 
>> her mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family better. *
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy > > 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:46 PM
>> *To:* geneal

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Angela; Informative but; sure does make things difficult!  Oh well, we like a 
challenge, don’t we?!

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 6:03 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

« Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este provinha 
das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma família em 
gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de devoção muitas 
vezes não constituíam apelidos e, sobretudo no caso das mulheres, até eram dos 
que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo da vida. Daí uma hipotética 
Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento 
como Maria do Sacramento e sem qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; 
e no baptismo de um neto - quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário. 
Caso haja lacunas documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que 
estejamos perante o mesmo indivíduo.»
- QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS - Manual de 
Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros, página 207.

This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true life 
saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.

Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019 à(s) 
14:36:
I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only changes I 
found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name added to the 
main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da Assunção. I 
don't know why they would change it, but since it usually didn't even appear in 
the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's (option 1:) no real 
meaning/importance given to the name - the worst religious names I've seen so 
far are the ones given to expostos without a previous name -, or (option 2:) 
there was a more complex importance we still haven't figured out.
I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to see if 
the authors refer anything about this. 

A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste 
 escreveu:
Hi all,

In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao Jorge index 
makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation thereof and  "de 
Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in other cases it's 
horribly confusingie: my great grand father from Candelaria took the 
surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why? Who know's?

Enjoy the puzzle!
Nancy Jean

From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Leonor 
Bertoni 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria) 
 
Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's first 
name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be João do Rego 
Nicolau. 

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.  Add to 
that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
 
Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa. The bride 
might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot recall if I have 
seen the bride change her baptismal name.  
Rick
 
From: 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
 
Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would marry and 
change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk about making 
our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, talk about a “kiss 
up”! LOL!  
 
Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what.  I’m trying to 
fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count on tracking 
down all the marriages and obits, etc.  Was hoping to do it just through 
births/baptisms.  Oh well, I never really expected to finish my tree! 
 
Thanks guys,  
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
 
Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes took her 
mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family better. 
 
Rick
Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, NH
 
 
 
 
From: 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:46 PM
To: genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
 
Hello all;  Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of the bride 
and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same?  i.e. Bernardina Jacintha, 
Anna Filomena, e

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Ângela Loura]

« Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este
provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma
família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de
devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das
mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo
da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do
Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem
qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto -
quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas
documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o
mesmo indivíduo.»
- QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros,
página 207.

This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true life
saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.

Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019
à(s) 14:36:

> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
> still haven't figured out.
> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to see
> if the authors refer anything about this.
>
> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao Jorge
>> index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation thereof
>> and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in other
>> cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from Candelaria
>> took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why? Who know's?
>>
>> Enjoy the puzzle!
>> Nancy Jean
>> ------
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>> Leonor Bertoni 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>
>> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
>> first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
>> João do Rego Nicolau.
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.
>> Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>
>>
>>
>> *Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa. The
>> bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot recall if
>> I have seen the bride change her baptismal name.  *
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would
>> marry and change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk
>> about making our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, talk
>> about a “kiss up”! LOL!
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what.  I’m trying
>> to fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count on
>> tracking down all the marriages and obits, etc.  Was hoping to do it just
>> through births/baptisms.  Oh well, I never really expected to finish my
>> tree!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks guys,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM
>> *To: *azores

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Ângela Loura]

I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
(option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
still haven't figured out.
I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to see
if the authors refer anything about this.

A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:

> Hi all,
>
> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao Jorge
> index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation thereof
> and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in other
> cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from Candelaria
> took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why? Who know's?
>
> Enjoy the puzzle!
> Nancy Jean
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Leonor Bertoni 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
> first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
> João do Rego Nicolau.
>
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.
> Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> *Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa. The
> bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot recall if
> I have seen the bride change her baptismal name.  *
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would marry
> and change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk about
> making our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, talk about
> a “kiss up”! LOL!
>
>
>
> Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what.  I’m trying
> to fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count on
> tracking down all the marriages and obits, etc.  Was hoping to do it just
> through births/baptisms.  Oh well, I never really expected to finish my
> tree!
>
>
>
> Thanks guys,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> *Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes took
> her mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family better. *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:46 PM
> *To:* genealogy 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> Hello all;  Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of the
> bride and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same?  i.e. Bernardina
> Jacintha, Anna Filomena, etc.  Record after record, though not all of them
> of course, have the bride and her mother with exactly the same name and
> sometimes all three women in the record have the same name.  It just makes
> me worry that the priest has been “tippling” the vino…I know certain
> names were very common but; it seems to be more than that….
>
>
>
> Just wondering…
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi all,

In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao Jorge index 
makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation thereof and  "de 
Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in other cases it's 
horribly confusingie: my great grand father from Candelaria took the 
surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why? Who know's?

Enjoy the puzzle!
Nancy Jean

From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Leonor 
Bertoni 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's first 
name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be João do Rego 
Nicolau.

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.  Add to 
that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!



Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



From: Richard Francis Pimentel<mailto:richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)



Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa. The bride 
might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot recall if I have 
seen the bride change her baptismal name.

Rick



From: 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)



Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would marry and 
change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk about making 
our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, talk about a “kiss 
up”! LOL!



Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what.  I’m trying to 
fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count on tracking 
down all the marriages and obits, etc.  Was hoping to do it just through 
births/baptisms.  Oh well, I never really expected to finish my tree!



Thanks guys,



Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



From: Richard Francis Pimentel<mailto:richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)



Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes took her 
mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family better.



Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH









From: 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:46 PM
To: genealogy mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)



Hello all;  Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of the bride 
and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same?  i.e. Bernardina Jacintha, 
Anna Filomena, etc.  Record after record, though not all of them of course, 
have the bride and her mother with exactly the same name and sometimes all 
three women in the record have the same name.  It just makes me worry that the 
priest has been “tippling” the vino…I know certain names were very common 
but; it seems to be more than that….



Just wondering…



Sam (Mazatlán, MX)





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Leonor Bertoni]

Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
João do Rego Nicolau.

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.
> Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> *Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa. The
> bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot recall if
> I have seen the bride change her baptismal name.  *
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would marry
> and change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk about
> making our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, talk about
> a “kiss up”! LOL!
>
>
>
> Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what.  I’m trying
> to fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count on
> tracking down all the marriages and obits, etc.  Was hoping to do it just
> through births/baptisms.  Oh well, I never really expected to finish my
> tree!
>
>
>
> Thanks guys,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> *Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes took
> her mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family better. *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:46 PM
> *To:* genealogy 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> Hello all;  Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of the
> bride and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same?  i.e. Bernardina
> Jacintha, Anna Filomena, etc.  Record after record, though not all of them
> of course, have the bride and her mother with exactly the same name and
> sometimes all three women in the record have the same name.  It just makes
> me worry that the priest has been “tippling” the vino…I know certain
> names were very common but; it seems to be more than that….
>
>
>
> Just wondering…
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.  Add to 
that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa. The bride 
might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot recall if I have 
seen the bride change her baptismal name.  
Rick

From: 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would marry and 
change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk about making 
our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, talk about a “kiss 
up”! LOL!  

Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what.  I’m trying to 
fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count on tracking 
down all the marriages and obits, etc.  Was hoping to do it just through 
births/baptisms.  Oh well, I never really expected to finish my tree! 

Thanks guys,  

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes took her 
mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family better. 

Rick
Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, NH




From: 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:46 PM
To: genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

Hello all;  Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of the bride 
and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same?  i.e. Bernardina Jacintha, 
Anna Filomena, etc.  Record after record, though not all of them of course, 
have the bride and her mother with exactly the same name and sometimes all 
three women in the record have the same name.  It just makes me worry that the 
priest has been “tippling” the vino…    I know certain names were very common 
but; it seems to be more than that….

Just wondering…

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would marry and 
change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk about making 
our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, talk about a “kiss 
up”! LOL!  

Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what.  I’m trying to 
fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count on tracking 
down all the marriages and obits, etc.  Was hoping to do it just through 
births/baptisms.  Oh well, I never really expected to finish my tree! 

Thanks guys,  

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes took her 
mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family better. 

Rick
Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, NH




From: 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:46 PM
To: genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

Hello all;  Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of the bride 
and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same?  i.e. Bernardina Jacintha, 
Anna Filomena, etc.  Record after record, though not all of them of course, 
have the bride and her mother with exactly the same name and sometimes all 
three women in the record have the same name.  It just makes me worry that the 
priest has been “tippling” the vino…    I know certain names were very common 
but; it seems to be more than that….

Just wondering…

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes took her 
mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family better. 

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

 

 

 

From: 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:46 PM
To: genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

 

Hello all;  Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of the bride 
and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same?  i.e. Bernardina Jacintha, 
Anna Filomena, etc.  Record after record, though not all of them of course, 
have the bride and her mother with exactly the same name and sometimes all 
three women in the record have the same name.  It just makes me worry that the 
priest has been “tippling” the vino…I know certain names were very common 
but; it seems to be more than that….

 

Just wondering…

 

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

 

 


 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Mary Bordi]

Perhaps it’s a mistake in some cases but I can tell you I have seen it in
my tree.

Maria de Jesus will marry a man whose mother is Maria de Jesus and they
will have a daughter Maria who later becomes Maria de Jesus. Besides which
each Maria de Jesus probably has a sister and a child and an aunt who is
Ana de Jesus. And they probably all married men named Manuel or Jose.

I have seen certain first names popular in a village during certain eras,
too.

Of course it’s best to confirm that it wasn’t a mistake! It’s friustrationg
but also comforting that even the priests had trouble keeping things
straight...

Mary


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> Hello all;  Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of the
> bride and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same?  i.e. Bernardina
> Jacintha, Anna Filomena, etc.  Record after record, though not all of them
> of course, have the bride and her mother with exactly the same name and
> sometimes all three women in the record have the same name.  It just makes
> me worry that the priest has been “tippling” the vino…I know certain
> names were very common but; it seems to be more than that….
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> Just wondering…
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