Following on from discussion last september:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jun/25/project-canvas-bbc-trust
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On 16/06/10 07:11, Brian Butterworth wrote:
It's only on the EPG anyway, even Windows Media Centre will bypass it,
as it uses the DigiGuide one. Or record the whole audio-video stream
and use an edit package. Or pause/record the old fashioned way.
And how long will the Radio Times XML
Dan Brickley wrote:
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
So, what does everyone think?
Would make a very luxurious smart and expensive remote control, or if
you stuck legs on it, a very very small multi-touch table.
Apparently that's not all it does:
Tim Dobson wrote:
The default Maemo browser is essentially Firefox 3.5+ which supports
video / (not natively H.264 though, but that's a different debate).
With regards to DRM, well, I think some people are generally coming
round to the idea that it may not be the be all and end all.
We'll
I heard (from a colleague in the US) that the BBC were making a programme or
series about open source.
Anyone here know anything about it or anyone involved?
David
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Ian Forrester wrote:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html
Ok so what do people think?
For me Google is certainly on a home run at the moment, Wave anyone?
From reading the link above, it seems like it will be something like I saw at
Minibar a while
Some advice : Be careful!
My wife said wouldn't it be nice... in a very innocent tone.
Anyway, a bit later:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141...@n00/2192513428/
She's very persuasive!
David
PS This is on topic as you can easily hear it in the shower too.
Ian Forrester wrote:
I use to
Mr I Forrester wrote:
Richard Lockwood wrote:
Actually I wrote:
In this day and age it *is* important to teach people about electronic
security.
This story completely fails to do so.
:)
There is something you could argue the BBC should be doing around this.
There was a suggestion that
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
David Greaves wrote:
So here we are, a month after Which? gave out the same dumb advice the BBC
follows:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/technology/newsid_791/7910045.stm
Sensationalist pillock :)
I can't wait for someone to be seriously hurt trying
So here we are, a month after Which? gave out the same dumb advice the BBC
follows:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/technology/newsid_791/7910045.stm
Sensationalist pillock :)
I can't wait for someone to be seriously hurt trying to drill through a hard
drive.
FWIW:
Richard Lockwood wrote:
Um - what are you suggesting as an alternative?
Read the 2nd URL.
In this day and age it *is* important to teach people about electronic security.
This story completely fails to do so.
Excerpt from that URL:
Legitimate data recovery firms know that recovering data
Mr I Forrester wrote:
No one seems to have picked up on the launch of the iPlayer download AIR
application for Windows, Linux, OSX.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/12/introducing_iplayer_deskto.html
I wonder why? maybe I should save it for a personal blog post...
We can't make
Sam Mbale wrote:
I'm a consumer of BBC content in it's various forms. It is an
institution am proud to be related to since kindergarten. The BBC logo
is embedded in my subconcious.. I almost had a BBC tattoo but I settled
for a Blue Peter badge and a T-shirt (hinting on a free t-shirt).
On
Andy wrote:
2008/12/18 Andy stude.l...@googlemail.com:
When is the actual platform neutral iPlayer coming out?
Apparently this is the platform neutral version
The cross-platform nature of Adobe AIR means the iPlayer will work with Open
Source
and Apple Mac computers out of the box on 18
Aleem B wrote:
BBC is a public service so the issues don't really translate to
Microsoft/DRM which is inclined to support DRM so it can sign deals with
labels and sell their music players.
Unless the BBC uses MS solutions with their DRM systems that aren't turned off.
Which IIRC it did.
MS
now said that traffic to the Sun-Sentinel's archive
pushed the old bankruptcy article onto the most viewed section of the paper's
web site.
David
(Who's feeling rather smug)
David Greaves wrote:
Peter Bowyer wrote:
On 08/01/2008, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally I would
Not seen this pop up on the list:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7487060.stm
Not so much the message which not everyone agrees with - but I am impressed to
see the point-of-view coming from a mainstream source :)
David
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Dan Brickley wrote:
David Greaves wrote:
Not seen this pop up on the list:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7487060.stm
Not so much the message which not everyone agrees with - but I am
impressed to
see the point-of-view coming from a mainstream source :)
Richard Stallman
Fred Phillips wrote:
On Fri Jul 4 08:39:26 2008, David wrote:
** It's not the Gates, it's the bars **
Richard Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation, on the departure
of Bill Gates.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/technology/7487060.stm
Meh, doesn’t really say anything
Yes
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Thomas Leitch wrote:
I'm sorry, but that's a bit distasteful...
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Richard Lockwood wrote:
If you want to even it up, why not put a charge, or an annual license on
each device capable of viewing BBC content?
Or, more reasonably, per-person (unless you know people who watch 2 devices at
once?). Or make it PAYG? With a flat fee option? Discounted with a family
Andrew Bowden wrote:
The public don't know what they want! ;) Problem is they'll settle
for naff quality because they don't realise exactly what kind of
quality can be achieved from the technology, they merely accept the
broadcasted quality because they don't believe they
Steve Jolly wrote:
David Greaves wrote:
Anyhow, personally I'm stuck until I can get a non-DRM HD signal into
my Linux
Myth PVR.
I assume satellite isn't an option for you?
Actually - brain fart... sorry ;)
I'm mainly aware of the Sky HD channels which are completely OT here :)
I do get
As an ardent FOSS supporter : Well said :)
[really - no sarcasm]
If only people would make real-world, rational and pragmatic arguments about
FOSS then this adversarial stuff would be less strident.
The argument (IMO) should be about the use of an open standard, not Adobe vs
Gnash.
If your
Richard Smedley wrote:
On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 15:55 +, Jason Cartwright wrote:
Pretty much all display advertising on the web is done in
Flash (where rather a lot of money is spent, apparently)
Yes, I'd noticed other people's computers seemed to
carry umpteen more ads
Ian Forrester wrote:
Hi All,
I was hoping to get a brainstorm of ideas for APIs and Feeds you would love
to play with in the near future, while focusing on Vision/TV
I got most of the obvious stuff like,
- A reference page or service for all programmes (/programmes in XML)
- keywords
Ian Forrester wrote:
I don't know guys, it may have been said multiple times but the only winner
in this battle must be the online services.
However I'm still left wondering when the general public will get their head
around non-physical media. People seem to like the look and feel of
Caveat: I'm an amateur in this area who knows a bit because I run a MythTV
system. Be polite if you correct me.
Brian Butterworth wrote:
I am saying that if the BBC knows that a programme is scheduled at
2202-2232
then it should deliver that data correctly to the EPG providers.
Probably posted before - http://lol.ianloic.com/bbc
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Peter Bowyer wrote:
On 08/01/2008, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally I would rather the most read/most emailed reflected exactly
what the user was doing, and wasn't most emailed stories from the
last 7 days excluding the also in the news section because we are the
BBC and we
Have you seen:
http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_duet.html
Architecture:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?Jive
It's a wifi remote control (and mp3 player).
Although it's not a device to use iPlayer on, it's *very* interesting from a
control point of view - especially because it's 'open'.
://news.bbc.co.uk/
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COMMENTS: Your 'most emailed' list has
Steve Jolly wrote:
David Greaves wrote:
I think someone missed the point here...
Or am I wrong?
If I explain that all the stories on the BBC news website are barely
more than static HTML, would that explain why adding watermarks to them
all would be difficult? If the site was backed
Mr I Forrester wrote:
Strange will email some people
Thanks - the data runs out on 31 Dec... 2008 just doesn't exist ;)
We heard via some forum somewhere that there was a server upgrade happening - I
guess something broke.
As an aside - there are a lot of MythTV users (and I'm sure others)
Hi XMLTV/Backstagers
Looking here:
http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/
It's clear there have been no updates since the 19th Dec.
It would be awfully seasonally spirited if someone were to kick someone to kick
something :)
Merry Christmas - and hopefully a TV-ish New Year.
David
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vijay chopra wrote:
To the person who said GPLv3 is more idealistic: having reflected on it
over night, I've realised that my position is in fact more idealistic
than that of the FSF, and as a result GPLv3 is not (as claimed) more
idealistic than GPLv2 but less so as it is more restrictive.
I
Noah Slater wrote:
On 06/12/2007, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
benefit people who won't share than prevent your code from being used by
Why would you want to benefit selfish people?
To do so would be truly unselfish - to turn the other cheek.
To teach by example in the face of
vijay chopra wrote:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
GPLv3 cares about making the code available and, if forced to, would
rather not
benefit people who won't share than allow them not to share.
You care about making your code (re-)usable, but, if forced to,
would
vijay chopra wrote:
They comply with the rules, you don't like what they do, so you change
the rules. There's nothing stopping you changing the rules any time you
see a behavior you dislike
Sounds reasonable to me :)
They abided by the rules, not the spirit.
Funnily enough other people do
Ian Forrester wrote:
Can I just say, wow a debate on GPL v3 about a year after everyone else
talked about it? :)
Like good coffee, it's percolating...
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Brian Butterworth wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/nov/29/comment.intellectualproperty
[Caveat - US-law biased]
Well, if we're linking...
Bruce Schneier links to a Law Review article about the a day in the life of a
normal person (no p2p filesharing etc, just you or me) in
The BBC does have to obey the law. Including copyright law.
But the BBC does not have to do things that extend the law.
I saw a bus shelter yesterday which had a it is illegal to smoke in
this bus shelter sign on it in Churchill Square, Brighton yesterday.
However, the shelter's
James Ockenden wrote:
Brian, I also missed the very subtle changes to the page- but I would
say, hyperlinking scientists and headaches etc every other word is
gonna give the reader sore eyes and thousands of hours of lost work as
they educate themselves in mass trivia.
So, if we discount the
Stuart Ward wrote:
All
I just found this project on sourceforge to sort out running the iPlayer
under wine.
http://bbciplayerlinux.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page
At which point they can replace the DRM library calls with stubs and ...
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Sean DALY wrote:
From a technical standpoint, how simple can it be to design a DRM
system compatible with the copyright law of the world's 20 biggest
markets?
You have got to be kidding - right?
Whole chunks of the judicial system has a hard enough time determining the
copyright law of ONE
Nick Reynolds-AMi wrote:
Is there such a thing as legal creep? It's either legal or it isn't.
Indeed - under certain jurisdictions copying music is legal. 'Fair Use'. However
the music industry would have you believe that it is always illegal.
That would be legal creep - no, it doesn't change
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 20/11/2007, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MS free at home for 4 years now :)
I hope one day you'll be free of all proprietary software :-)
My BIOSes are closed source.
So is the nvidia driver in 2 of my machines.
And I have a commercial game (NeverWinter
Brian Butterworth wrote:
On 20/11/2007, *David Greaves* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 20/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED
Jason Cartwright wrote:
Of course, this won't happen (it be being popular, IMHO), because nobody
cares what format they consume their content in - they just care that it
works (which MP3 does). As proved by the BBC OGG trial years and years ago.
You are right. It's true that people don't care.
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 20/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music
for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of
whether they had
Tim Dobson wrote:
On 20/11/2007, Gary Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://iplayersupport.external.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/bbciplayer.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=14cat_lvl1=1
That page is *very* interesting, any users of ubuntu, debian or other
GNU/Linux based OS's here?
/me *proudly
Tim Dobson wrote:
an excellent summary of a complex and political situation
I run GNU/Linux too, the Debian version which also provides an alpha GNU/Hurd OS
using the Debian branding.
David
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Dave Crossland wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Nick Reynolds-AMi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also you can
comment here:
Of course this is a blog so not exactly a reference source:
http://joyofsox.blogspot.com/2007/11/mlb-game-downloads-still-inaccessible.html
So this DRM system seems to have lasted 2003-2006. Then a year later you lose
any downloads.
Yep, this is the kind of thing that makes honest consumers want
Brian Butterworth wrote:
Yes, I am sure you do. That's your opinion. I'm sure I probably don't
agree with it as I'm sure that I regard etiquette as something for Mrs
Beeton and the 1950s.
Uh huh. And yet you hold an attachment to a 12 year old RFC codifying behaviour
in a time of 9600b
Matthew Somerville wrote:
David Greaves wrote:
You want an 8am train from Cardiff to Birmingham?
http://www.traintimes.org.uk/8:00/cardiff/birmingham
The requested URL /8:00/cardiff/birmingham was not found on this server.
Hmm, works fine here. ;-)
Ho Ho!!
Been using the site
Brian Butterworth wrote:
I've read all this with interest and it brings up some interesting points.
The original subjects is with regard to emails, where there is a limit
of 78 characters for some (older) systems.
True - also if they are visible (and long) they can interfere with
Adam wrote:
What does everyone else think.
bbc.com/2e5u8e
David
PS it's smaller than tinyurl and it's a use for bbc.com too... (unless it's used
internationally)
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Martin Belam wrote:
though i suspect the problem (and usage of tinyurl) is that to get
one of those nice urls hooked up, you gotta email someone a request,
who needs to get approval from a manager
Heh, heh, that's not even the half of it ;-)
Of course: *that's* why tinyurl is used...
Matt Hammond wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:54:03 -, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Matt Hammond wrote:
The statements attributes to Ashley Highfield seem to talk about *users*
(eg. measured as unique cookies) whereas the other numbers we're
comparing against here are being
Andrew Bowden wrote:
I am a Linux monkey, but to be honest, I have yet to find Linux
particularly good for basic video editing. There are tools out there
like Kino which do work very well if you're using a DV source, but I'm
generally not and I've not always had much joy with converting
Matt Hammond wrote:
The statements attributes to Ashley Highfield seem to talk about *users*
(eg. measured as unique cookies) whereas the other numbers we're
comparing against here are being described as usage and hits.
Just thought I'd point it out before we get in a mess :-)
Still
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 31/10/2007, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
File sharing between friends is essential for friendship
???
I'll try again:
File sharing is an definitive part of friendship in the 21st century,
in parts of the world with high density access to computers.
I'll reverse these comments :)
Andrew Bowden wrote:
I have a PVR which has a USB port on it - which is great cos I can take
files off the PVR if I want to and keep a copy of them.
However it's nowhere near as simple as just copying the files and
burning them to DVD thanks to the fact that
Andrew Bowden wrote:
I'd like to, cos my TV capture card might get some Linuxy usage then.
But I haven't got the time or desire to try and set it up.
If you find the desire then I'll try and help.
David
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~:'' wrote:
David,
my apologies as it seems that once again my comments lack some clarity.
where are the easy-to-use tools?
Ubuntu and Gnome are hardly mainstream...
the most significant issue is that no open source project outside
possibly wikipedia is truly popular.
NB
Mr I Forrester wrote:
http://radar.oreilly.com/Picture%2052.html
Full story - http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/09/throng_unveils.html
I saw this while browsing my rss aggregator. Seems like a decent design
for a TV Guide. I was wondering how it would work if placed on one of
those
Err.
They are not 'reverse engineer, de-compile, disassemble, alter, modify, or
create derivative works from
AFAICS They are modifying Wine to correctly respond to the API calls that the
iPlayer makes.
Hmm... wonder what this does to the DRM
David
Brian Butterworth wrote:
Ian Forrester wrote:
Yep we were there along with about another 20 people.
So were they making a point or trying to make a difference?
David
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Brian Butterworth wrote:
Thanks.
I thought I was being humorous - it would be deeply ironic if pictures
of a protest outside Auntie's TV HQ about DRM were copyrighted...
They are copyrighted. They are also licensed.
Anti-DRM isn't anti-copyright. Most anti-DRM sentiment opposes the:
You
Christopher Woods wrote:
I mean, come on, hands up who here on the list
uses Linux as their primary OS.
Me.
And (FWIW) my wife (her choice).
I'm three years sober ;)
David
PS We can't even dual-boot anymore.
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Well:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3396
Or, by far and away my favourite:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1501
If you really care...
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/08/britain_adopts.html
A terror alert that instills a vague feeling of dread or
Kim Plowright wrote:
Here in the US, that is not the case. It is much harder to find such DVD
players.
Because they contravene the DMCA act?
Possible but more likely because the 'popular' stuff is released on Region 1 and
the yanks (as a mass market) are so insular they think there be
David Woodhouse wrote:
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 18:41 +0100, vijay chopra wrote:
Sure I will, you can't copyright a number, and I'd like to see anyone
try and sue me for posing one.
We digress but I'm dubious about that argument. You can represent
_anything_ with 'just a number'. I could buy
vijay chopra wrote:
On 19/06/07, *David Woodhouse* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I totally agree, however seeing as I have no intention of breaking the
spirit of the law (I may be breaching a technicality) I have no qualms
in using any software to break copy protection to
Sean Dillon wrote:
vijay chopra wrote:
Besides, if there are meeja prima donnas and wannabe luvvies (on this
list or otherwise) that believe that DRM is a long term, workable
solution to this problem, then I couldn't care less if they get
their egos bruised a little, and don't see why anyone
Dave Crossland wrote:
So you're saying that _not_ filesharing is betraying friends and
neighbours?
Certainly.
Because it's morally correct to share something that is not diminished
by sharing?
Correct!
So where is the balance?
I believe you're referring to the commonly-held
On 12/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DRM is very simple to implement, simple put an XML header at the front
of the media file detailing what can or can not be done with content.
Job Done.
So it can be bypassed but then all software implemented DRM has that
flaw there is nothing
Dave Crossland wrote:
Hi David!
On 12/06/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If however you say making a copy of this DVD for your own use (eg in
case of
damage) is OK but it is wrong to give it away or sell it. Please don't
do that.
Then you are actually treating the consumer
James Cox wrote:
On 8 May 2007, at 15:05, David Greaves wrote:
Dave Cross wrote:
If you're contemplating signing up for this, then you're too late. All
50 places went in less than 48 hours. We're currently taking names for a
waiting list, but I really wouldn't hold out too much hope
Dave Cross wrote:
If you're contemplating signing up for this, then you're too late. All
50 places went in less than 48 hours. We're currently taking names for a
waiting list, but I really wouldn't hold out too much hope of many of
the people on that list getting places.
And they say that
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 08/05/07, Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And they say that Perl is dead :-)
No, just braindamaged. http://www.underlevel.net/jordan/erik-perl.txt
etc ;)
(Ah, (criticism (from '(a lisp programmer) (- (praise indeed!)))
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Are you aware of XMLTV?
Or are you especially interested in the TV-Anytime format?
David
Ben Hall wrote:
This might sound silly to some of you on the list, but is it possible
to access the TV listings data for other channels as well? Like ITV,
C4, C5?
Thanks
Ben
On 04/05/07, Dave
Kim Plowright wrote:
Dear sweet evil Jesus on a pogo stick, don't start that up again!
LOLS
Ah, before my time and this is the first time I'd seen this
writeup (or any writeup as considered).
Refers the honourable gentlemen to archive URL below. Suggests he takes
a look. You know,
Richard Lockwood wrote:
Naaah - everyone's just drawing breath for the next round of
opinionated shouting about DRM, open source, free beer or whatever...
;-)
Cheers,
Rich.
This might help:
A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection
Or
How Microsoft destroyed the Mulitmedia PC
Tom Scott wrote:
This might help:
A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection
Or
How Microsoft destroyed the Mulitmedia PC
Dear sweet evil Jesus on a pogo stick, don't start that up again!
:D
Ah, before my time and this is the first time I'd seen this writeup (or any
writeup as
Mr I Forrester wrote:
Cocoon is awesome but very much ahead of its time
In that case the pure XML CMS I wrote for BT using Cocoon, Velocity (and
Bugzilla with XMetal as the 'workflow') back in early 2002 must have been
positively visionary!
Ah, good times!
David
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Kim Plowright wrote:
I've let the head of New Media at BBC Worldwide Magazines know about
this, by the way.
Kim
Thanks Kim, much appreciated :)
For information I sent an email off to Nick on another list (about Myth TV -
an opensource PVR) saying:
It would be interesting to know if
Hi
I just joined the list to find out about the xmltv feed :)
When I got a couple of emails I found the link to the archives. The last message
about this seems to be on the 29th when the site came back on air.
However, as people probably realise the data isn't being updated anymore.
Does
On 03/04/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone have a clue?
Peter Bowyer wrote:
No more than you I guess
So for those xmltv users here on the BBC backstage
I saw this message from Nick in another couple of lists and thought it worth
forwarding here - cc'ing Nick out
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