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I think it's amusing when I see people bemoan the use of Flash for
things that sure, can be done in AJAX etc.
I would recommend never using Flash.
By using Flash the BBC is forcing users to enter into a legal
contract with a third party, just to use the BBC's
Flash is binary code which executes directly on my CPU and
has access to all the files at my privilege level (i.e. ALL
my personal files).
Which part of this don't you understand? It is not that a
flash program on a website could be a threat, it's that the
Flash Player itself could pose
Back when I used to use Windows I had real security issues
with Real
Player. It looked an awful lot like a Trojan to me.
Most things on Windows look like trojans to me. The fact that
Real looked bad for you on windows doesn't make it bad for me
on GNU/Linux or Sol, or whatever
and here's a reason for the BBC's ogg trials ceasing (which
might not be true, I don't know, it's not an offical source)
http://lists.gllug.org.uk/pipermail/gllug/2004-January/041215.html
I remember listening to the launch day of BBC 6music via Ogg at my desk
in Bush House :)
Ah, happy
This is all my personal opinion.
Or has the BBC examined it's source code and is it willing to
guarantee that this software is free from any malicious code?
For every anti-Flash zealot yelling Flash isn't Free Software, there
are millions of people using flash without any problems at all.
Try
Andy,
If you loathe the BBC's online content, policy and delivery methods as
much as you appear to, what are you doing on a list which (in theory)
is dealing with repurposing and mashing up content, specifically BBC
content?
Whatever you (and various others) may think, this isn't the
Repeatedly
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 10:06 +, Jason Cartwright wrote:
For every anti-Flash zealot yelling Flash isn't Free Software, there
are millions of people using flash without any problems at all.
Because Flash isn't Free Software, I cannot use it. Not through zealotry
or paranoia, but because it
Jason Cartwright wrote:
Why isn't the BBC
spending my money wisely by making my child a flash game?
Because it makes Mike TechCrunch Arrington angry? We can't have that.
Scot
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On 06/03/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you're worried about threats to your computer, don't turn it on.
So you are saying that if I use my PC, I should not bother securing it at all?
And hey, one was even found in the email service you're using...
On 06/03/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And that's before you've got an operating system installed - even Linux
isn't without its legalities (GPL etal)
Actually, you can use GPL'd software without agreeing to the GPL; however as
the GPL gives you Certain rights, the software
On 06/03/07, David Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because Flash isn't Free Software, I cannot use it. Not through zealotry
or paranoia, but because it just doesn't exist for the computer I'm
sitting in front of right now (Linux/PPC64) or my laptop (Linux/PPC).
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Have you tried
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A bit of trust is needed don't you think? Is it really in Adobe's
interest to put malicious code in the flash plug-in?
Are you joking? People can create a huge amount of revenue by doing
just that. Do youever get a spam email? The majority of that comes
from boxes
On 06/03/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are suggesting that Adobe may knowingly put code in their apps to
send spam? Or are you suggesting that Adobe may knowingly put code in
their apps to let other people do that? Both are ridiculous.
Why is that ridiculous?
I also do not
If you are concerned, maybe you should ask Real?
Tiny problem there, if I am suspecting Real's code what good
is asking them?
Well, it might make them realise that people are onto them and that they
shouldn't do it :)
The BBC website uses a few different technologies but yes,
Solaris
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 11:08:06AM +, Andy wrote:
On 06/03/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And that's before you've got an operating system installed - even Linux
isn't without its legalities (GPL etal)
GPL only applies if I copy the software. It is not a EULA, it is not a
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 14:23 +, Andy Leighton wrote:
A think a lot of the problem is historical. When first used there
wasn't the choice we have today. I would imagine it would be quite a
hard sell to get the suits to agree to replace RealAudio with OGG. That
isn't to say someone
ckwaveFlash
[7] https://jobs.bbc.co.uk/fe/tpl_bbc01.asp?newms=info25
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Sent: 04 March 2007 22:32
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Subject: Re: [backstage] Flash required?
On 04/03/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 10:32:04PM +, Andy wrote:
On 04/03/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Switch to Ruby on Rails and AJAX over and above Java?
Ruby is server side, unless I am mistaken. Thus would not need to be
installed locally, so a good thing there.
Javascript (needed
Having been one of the first people at the BBC to try to create a 'useful' (
;-) ) Flash app ( BBC New Iraq War Console / Celebdaq Interactive Console) I
came up against so many people at work saying We can't use Flash 6!! (back
in the day) , I said Rubbish! Check the stats! Sniff the plugin
Andy wrote:
On 04/03/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Switch to Ruby on Rails and AJAX over and above Java?
Ruby is server side, unless I am mistaken. Thus would not need to be
installed locally, so a good thing there.
Javascript (needed for AJAX) is implemented differently across
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 11:06:17AM +, blogHUD wrote:
Trouble is, there aren't enough developers there at the beeb (in News, at
least) who can do all these things - along with all the other great stuff
they have to do.
There are some amazing developers there - don't get me wrong - some
Is all the discussion of AJAX here missing the point slightly? The point of
AJAX is to allow the sending and recieving of data without refreshing the
page, which is only one facet of the functions that flash can fulfil. While
I'm personally pretty anti-flash in most cases (although stuff like
What can happen in editorially-driven sites like this is, when a
producer/editor wants a certain 'feature', a representative of the
design/dev team might a) say 'No! We can't do that!' then
hopefully
b) Come up with a solution / compromise which might be down to
skillsets
Tim Cowlishaw wrote:
Is all the discussion of AJAX here missing the point slightly?
It depends on how you define Ajax. Ajax is now often used to mean Web
2.0 style websites, based primarily on HTML/CSS/Javascript as opposed
to just Asynchronous Javascript and XML. Especially as some AJAX
On 05/03/07, blogHUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
they soon found out that a MASSIVE majority of users to BBC News
Online had the version of Flash I needed
I was always told we needed the BBC to cater for the people who aren't
in the majority.
If you are only going to cater for the majority then
Andy wrote:
On 05/03/07, blogHUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
they soon found out that a MASSIVE majority of users to BBC News
Online had the version of Flash I needed
I was always told we needed the BBC to cater for the people who aren't
in the majority.
If you are only going to cater for the
On 05/03/07, Adam Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You can always click the links for the flash free version. No one is
forcing you to look at the flash content. I reckon if you took a random
sample of people from the street the vast majority would prefer the
flash version.
I pay for the flash
On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 20:43 +, Andy wrote:
snip lots of stuff
Credit where credit's due, and the BBC don't deserve much yet, they
are doing all the wrong things. DRM = bad idea. Flash = bad idea. Real
Player = bad idea. Windows only software = bad idea.
Sorry to ask, I get the rest and
On 05/03/07, George Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry to ask, I get the rest and all, but Real player= bad why?
I was under the impression that the Real Media formats are proprietary
so only Real Networks know how to implement them. I could be wrong of
course.
1) There's a free software
On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 21:41 +, Andy wrote:
On 05/03/07, George Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was under the impression that the Real Media formats are proprietary
so only Real Networks know how to implement them. I could be wrong of
course.
So, your major objection to real is that it
On 05/03/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 05/03/07, George Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
5) It runs on more archs than you can shake a stick at
I know where there is an Arm board, do I need to shake a stick at it?
Does Real Player run on Arm? There's always someone who has an obscure
On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 22:20 +, George Wright wrote:
So, your major objection to real is that it isn't free software?
I can't speak for Andy, but my main objection to the Real formats is
that they _cannot_ be implemented in free software. It's a proprietary
format, not an open standard. Even
On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 22:49 +, David Woodhouse wrote:
My main objection to the Real formats is
that they _cannot_ be implemented in free software. It's a proprietary
format, not an open standard.
That makes sense.
But (and bear with me, I'm trying to work out the issues)
Is it the lack
On 05/03/07, George Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, your major objection to real is that it isn't free software?
My major objection would be the formats aren't available for other
people to implement. Unless of course they are available, and they
just haven't been implemented. If they are
On 04/03/07, Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
anyone care to suggest why this is in flash?
So they can do animation when you hover over individual continents.
Also does animation for the slide out thing when clicking a story
(note: clicking on the story that's already being shown
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
Flash required?
anyone care to suggest why this is in flash?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/live_stats/html/map.stm
seems unhelpful at best.
Well Jonathan you can always click on the accessible link on the page
At 21:10 + 4/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
note: I would much prefer the use of Java on the BBC website
instead of RealPlayer and Flash, at least Sun let people see there
code to rule out Trojan back doors and let other people develop JVMs
I don't think a lot of users would though, Java
On 04/03/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Switch to Ruby on Rails and AJAX over and above Java?
Ruby is server side, unless I am mistaken. Thus would not need to be
installed locally, so a good thing there.
Javascript (needed for AJAX) is implemented differently across
browser. not
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