RE: [backstage] iPad iplayer app issue

2011-06-20 Thread James Holden
I would say this issue is well known and well talked about: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbiplayer/NF13735683?thread=7951758skip=50 The problem still seems to exist up to end of May and there seems to be sporadic feedback from the BBC in this specific thread. Jim -Original Message- From:

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-05-27 Thread Brian Butterworth
Mo, Dave got the beebPlayer app working OK on Android. Until the BBC reversed the stated position and got it banned. Shouldn't be too hard... On 26 May 2010 23:35, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On 26-May-2010, at 23:11, Brian Butterworth wrote: Let's hope the same priority has been

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-05-27 Thread Brian Butterworth
It isn't the doublespeak that bothers me, I can cope with that, I am used it it. It is the reversal in position without any public notification that I find distasteful. Web pages get deleted and the policy changes, but no public notification is made. On 27 May 2010 08:54, Mo McRoberts

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-05-27 Thread Iain Wallace
Was BeebPlayer actually banned by the BBC then? I was trying to get the story on why it suddenly vanished. What could the issue possibly be with it? On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Mo, Dave got the beebPlayer app working OK on Android.  Until the

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-05-27 Thread Brian Butterworth
Dave posted Awesome - looks like the Beeb have changed iPlayer enough to break beebPlayer once again.8:43 AM May 13thhttp://twitter.com/johnsto/status/13901166595 via Twitter for Android http://mobile.twitter.com/ from here http://maps.google.com/maps?q=51.4029042,0.0167886 and a very short

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-05-27 Thread Paul Webster
BBC have now enabled auto detection of iPad ... now presents the bigscreen version - but not on the beta iPlayer site. Paul On Thu, 27 May 2010 13:06:18 +0100, you wrote: Dave posted Awesome - looks like the Beeb have changed iPlayer enough to break beebPlayer once again.8:43 AM May

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-05-26 Thread Paul Webster
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer Can someone from BBC persuade someone else in BBC with the right powers to make a statement on this? FYI Apple have now enabled access to UK AppStore for iPad users Paul On Tue, 11 May 2010 08:33

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-05-26 Thread Brian Butterworth
/ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Paul Webster Sent: 20 May 2010 10:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer Can someone from BBC

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-05-20 Thread Paul Webster
Can someone from BBC persuade someone else in BBC with the right powers to make a statement on this? FYI Apple have now enabled access to UK AppStore for iPad users Paul On Tue, 11 May 2010 08:33:03 +0100, you wrote: While the method below is still working fine - it remains a bit of a pain to

RE: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-05-20 Thread James Holden
: 20 May 2010 10:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer Can someone from BBC persuade someone else in BBC with the right powers to make a statement on this? FYI Apple have now enabled access to UK AppStore for iPad users Paul

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-05-20 Thread Paul Webster
. http://img31.imageshack.us/i/ipadkg.jpg/ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Paul Webster Sent: 20 May 2010 10:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-05-11 Thread Paul Webster
While the method below is still working fine - it remains a bit of a pain to use. Any chance that someone in BBC could make the change that I suggested nearly a month ago - namely to add the iPad as an alias for the iPhone (user-agent strings below). If BBC makes special format for iPad in the

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-04-15 Thread Brian Butterworth
I thought a device had to have a reasonable UK market share before the BBC supported it? On 15 April 2010 12:33, Paul Webster p...@dabdig.com wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-04-15 Thread Iain Wallace
You must mean column inches On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: I thought a device had to have a reasonable UK market share before the BBC supported it? On 15 April 2010 12:33, Paul Webster p...@dabdig.com wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one.

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-04-15 Thread Ian Stirling
Paul Webster wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer works? Here are examples: iPad: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.10 (KHTML, like Gecko)

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-04-15 Thread Mo McRoberts
On 15-Apr-2010, at 12:54, Brian Butterworth wrote: I thought a device had to have a reasonable UK market share before the BBC supported it? I’m not convinced that “rule” is applied remotely consistently, in either direction. M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-04-15 Thread Iain Wallace
Personally, I would argue strongly against this on competition grounds. The BBC should not be in the business of promoting any one vendor who choses not to install flash on their platform for their own internal reasons. Iplayer 'works' on my platform. Well - to the extent of 3 frames a

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-04-15 Thread Mo McRoberts
On 15-Apr-2010, at 13:00, Ian Stirling wrote: Personally, I would argue strongly against this on competition grounds. That makes no sense. How is *extending* the user-agent whitelist bad for competition? The BBC should not be in the business of promoting any one vendor who choses not to

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-04-15 Thread Dave Crossland
On 15 April 2010 14:10, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: this is no means of going about getting that changed… What do you suggest? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-04-15 Thread James Montgomerie
If you use an iPhone app with a built in browser (Files works well for me), you can access the iPhone iPlayer on the iPad. It looks reasonably good in pixel-doubled mode. Jamie. On 15 Apr 2010, at 12:33, Paul Webster paul-at-dabdig.com |BBC Lists/Example Allow| wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I

Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer

2010-04-15 Thread Paul Webster
Ah - good idea. I guess that means that the Apple webkit is statically linked - so it picks up the iPhone version. Just tried it by using the iPhone Facebook app - and became a fan of one of the BBC iPlayer pages ... which has a link in the info section. Worked well. Paul On Thu, 15 Apr 2010

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-31 Thread Brian Butterworth
Jim, The reason Apple never gets into trouble for monopolistic behaviour is that the company has never been that successful. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act Section 2 of the Act forbade monopolyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly. In Section 2 cases, the court has, again on

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-31 Thread Christopher Woods
-Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jim Tonge Sent: 30 January 2010 22:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad On 30 Jan 2010, at 22:39, Alex Mace wrote: FUD. Nothing so

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-31 Thread Sam Mbale
[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jim Tonge Sent: 30 January 2010 22:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad On 30 Jan 2010, at 22:39, Alex Mace wrote: FUD. Nothing so grandiose, simply ignorance! :) Can any of those browsers be set

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-31 Thread Brian Butterworth
-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jim Tonge Sent: 30 January 2010 22:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad On 30 Jan 2010, at 22:39, Alex Mace wrote: FUD. Nothing so grandiose, simply ignorance! :) Can any

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-31 Thread Sam Mbale
: -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jim Tonge Sent: 30 January 2010 22:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad On 30 Jan 2010, at 22:39, Alex Mace wrote: FUD. Nothing

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-31 Thread Brian Butterworth
] On Behalf Of Jim Tonge Sent: 30 January 2010 22:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad On 30 Jan 2010, at 22:39, Alex Mace wrote: FUD. Nothing so grandiose, simply ignorance! :) Can any of those browsers be set to the device default? From the looks

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-31 Thread Sam Mbale
: [backstage] iPad On 30 Jan 2010, at 22:39, Alex Mace wrote: FUD. Nothing so grandiose, simply ignorance! :) Can any of those browsers be set to the device default? From the looks of the Macworld article, I don't think you would *want* to set any of the six browsers they review

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-31 Thread Rupert Watson
Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 31 January 2010 16:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad I remember when I subscribed to The Listener, Stephen Fry was an amusing, gay, reformed credit card thief. On 31 January 2010 15:25, Sam Mbale smb...@mpelembe.net wrote: I remember when I

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-31 Thread Sam Mbale
@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] iPad I remember when I subscribed to The Listener, Stephen Fry was an amusing, gay, reformed credit card thief. On 31 January 2010 15:25, Sam Mbale smb...@mpelembe.net wrote: I remember when I just joined twitter Stephen Fry was the evangelist. Kudos

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-31 Thread Rupert Watson
...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Sam Mbale Sent: 31 January 2010 16:45 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad It's all about accessibility. is it worth it? Sam Mbale Mpelembe Network http://www.mpelembe.net Follow me on http://twitter.com/mpelembe On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 4:33

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-31 Thread Christopher Woods
I think it is more about conflation / coalescence / convergence on one device. The more one can consume, interact and communicate on one platform, the better, I think. Ultimately there will always be two parallel markets: the walled garden and the open, communal one. Google and Apple

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-31 Thread Mo McRoberts
On 31-Jan-2010, at 18:31, Christopher Woods wrote: That said, the curated shop / marketplace experience will always hold sway with the 'just want it to work' segment of the userbase, so the lightbulb moment will only happen for most users when someone/some company manages to devise a

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-30 Thread Brian Butterworth
The lack of Flash support seems to have some mac fanboys suddenly on Jakob Nielsen's side taking about HTML5 and the death of Flash (if only!) http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703 http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703Just remember the ASA said The ASA noted that Java and Flash proprietary software was not

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-30 Thread Jim Tonge
Just wanted to softly, gently throw my oar in on this debate :) Don't you need a computer in the first place to sync your media from? I think comparing the iPad and a personal computer is a little like comparing a scooter and a lorry. Of greater pertinence is the freedom of the device - more

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-30 Thread Alex Mace
FUD. Other browsers are available for the iPhone, through the App Store: http://www.macworld.com/appguide/article.html?article=138409 Microsoft also deliberately participated in various nefarious anti-competitive practices to achieve market domination, which AFAIK, Apple has not yet done. The

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-30 Thread Jim Tonge
On 30 Jan 2010, at 22:39, Alex Mace wrote: FUD. Nothing so grandiose, simply ignorance! :) Can any of those browsers be set to the device default? And iStore lock-in? For those without a computer, they have but one store to buy content from, no? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-30 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 22:55, Jim Tonge jim_d_to...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: And iStore lock-in? For those without a computer, they have but one store to buy content from, no? The hardware supports several scenarios not yet exposed by the OS. The iPad can operate as a USB host *or* a USB client;

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-29 Thread Sean DALY
I remember in 1992 when an engineer friend sniffed that Windows (v3) wasn't a proper operating system, just a DOS application, and DOS was a pig, and OS/2 was a serious OS. Bill Gates laughed all the way to the bank. Sean On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Brian Butterworth

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-29 Thread Brian Butterworth
OS/2 PM was a trick Microsoft played on IBM, wasn't it? Windows v3.0 was cooperative multitasking, not pre-emptive which was why people said it was a DOS application and they were quite right. It was the first point that made Gates rich, not the second. 2010/1/29 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-29 Thread Alex Mace
Actually I thought it was Gary Kildall was out flying his plane when IBM rang that made Gates rich :-p Alex On 29 Jan 2010, at 09:11, Brian Butterworth wrote: OS/2 PM was a trick Microsoft played on IBM, wasn't it? Windows v3.0 was cooperative multitasking, not pre-emptive which was why

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-29 Thread Sean DALY
Yes, Gates led IBM along; his chief concern was to distract them while gaining market share for Windows. i remember a press conference in Paris in 1993 for the Windows NT launch where he said he expected IBM to break apart into pieces. It was the DOS OEM licensing that made Gates rich. Sean On

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-29 Thread Brian Butterworth
He was quite right. I spent many a happy year removing coax and 3270s and replacing them with cat 5. One of my favourite tasks involved removing a mainframe from a building, along with it's toxic fire suppression system and replacing it with a small Novell server that sat very comically in the

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-29 Thread Ian Forrester
From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 28 January 2010 17:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad Ian, I don't know where you host

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-29 Thread Ian Forrester
, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Morris Sent: 29 January 2010 02:55 To: backstage Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 22:37, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: So, what does

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-29 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 14:53, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: But tinkerers are a limited market; there are lots of people who like to soup up their cars, but there are lots more who don't. If Apple is wise—and I'm betting it is—it'll build a tablet for the large majority of

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-29 Thread Darren Stephens
Damn right! If, like me you are a tinkerer and like to create, hell I've already got a Mac. I can do that stuff. iPad is not for that. It is a consumer device. It's good at that - that market doesn't want to tinker, in the same way that any who buy a car just want to use it to drive somewhere and

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-29 Thread Rupert Watson
Of Darren Stephens Sent: 29 January 2010 15:50 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad Damn right! If, like me you are a tinkerer and like to create, hell I've already got a Mac. I can do that stuff. iPad is not for that. It is a consumer device. It's good at that - that market

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-29 Thread Ian Stirling
Rupert Watson wrote: A Haynes manual won't help you with a modern car. You need an engine monitoring system and connection to the manufacturer Megasquirt.info - for the hardcore - that won't accept that. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Brian Butterworth
Underwhelming. It's a big iPhone. It's named after the Star Trek PADD. Might be good it if ran an operating system and had a keyboard. 2010/1/27 Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net So, what does everyone think? (and how much effect will it have on the video situation over the next 18 months or so,

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 08:03, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Underwhelming.  It's a big iPhone. It's named after the Star Trek PADD. Might be good it if ran an operating system and had a keyboard. It does, both. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Brian Butterworth
It does, both, what? 2010/1/28 Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 08:03, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Underwhelming. It's a big iPhone. It's named after the Star Trek PADD. Might be good it if ran an operating system and had a keyboard. It does, both.

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 08:32, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: It does, both, what? it runs an operating system. it has a keyboard. 2010/1/28 Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 08:03, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Underwhelming.  It's a

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Rob Myers
On 28/01/10 08:03, Brian Butterworth wrote: Underwhelming. It's a big iPhone. It's named after the Star Trek PADD. Might be good it if ran an operating system and had a keyboard. As Mo points out it does. It can run iPhone apps so if it's not running the iPhone OS it's running another OSX

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 09:06, Rupert Watson rup...@root6.com wrote: Did he say whether iBooks will run on existing iPhones? Not seen it mentioned. iBooks is US-only for the moment, though. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Rupert Watson
Did he say whether iBooks will run on existing iPhones? Sent from my dog On 28 Jan 2010, at 08:53, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 08:32, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: It does, both, what? it runs an operating system. it has a keyboard.

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Brian Butterworth
Sorry, I didn't realise we were back in the 1970s where the software that runs on the iPhone can be called an operating system. And it clearly doesn't have a keyboard. 2010/1/28 Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 08:32, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: It

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Alun Rowe
What else would you call it? An operating system it is. Whether you like it or not is a different matter. It does have an input device which you would fall into the term defined as Keyboard IMO. FWIW I¹m a mac fanboy but the lack of decent interop with other devices, lack of a camera (which

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Rob Myers
On 28/01/10 09:56, Brian Butterworth wrote: Sorry, I didn't realise we were back in the 1970s where the software that runs on the iPhone can be called an operating system. It's a UNIX. It's a UNIX broken to remove your freedom, but it's still a multi-tasking* memory-protected kernel-based

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Daniel Morris
: [backstage] iPad Sorry, I didn't realise we were back in the 1970s where the software that runs on the iPhone can be called an operating system. And it clearly doesn't have a keyboard. 2010/1/28 Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Dan Brickley
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: So, what does everyone think? (and how much effect will it have on the video situation over the next 18 months or so, do we reckon?) Would make a very luxurious smart and expensive remote control, or if you stuck legs on

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 09:56, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Sorry, I didn't realise we were back in the 1970s where the software that runs on the iPhone can be called an operating system. And it clearly doesn't have a keyboard. Not just an operating system, but a very close

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Alex Mace
? :) From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 28 January 2010 09:56 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad Sorry, I didn't realise we were back in the 1970s where the software that runs on the iPhone

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Lee Stone
? :) -- *From:* owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth *Sent:* 28 January 2010 09:56 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] iPad Sorry, I didn't realise we were back in the 1970s where the software that runs

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Andrew Macinnes
It doesn't look like anything new to me. Mind you, it's certainly not designed for me, or anyone else who wants to work on their computer. I've been trialling a tablet PC for the last few months. It looks nice, you can write on the screen, the handwriting recognition is amazing, it has Vista

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Dave Crossland
2010/1/28 Daniel Morris daniel.mor...@bbc.co.uk: Sorry, I didn't realise we were back in the 1970s where the software that runs on the iPhone can be called an operating system. Am I missing something - how is it not an OS? :) Apple actively oppose you installing whatever you want to, and

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:49, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2010/1/28 Daniel Morris daniel.mor...@bbc.co.uk: Sorry, I didn't realise we were back in the 1970s where the software that runs on the iPhone can be called an operating system. Am I missing something - how is it not an OS?

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Darren Stephens
All good points. I'm sitting here inside a university thinking that this is a potentially really useful device. There was nothing hugely unexpected, though I'm a touch disappointed at the lack of a camera or SD card slot. The lack of Flash so far is also still an issue, but may not be forever -

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Michael Kraskin
you buy one - Original Message - From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Thu Jan 28 07:03:32 2010 Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:49, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Phil Whitehouse
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Thu Jan 28 07:03:32 2010 Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:49, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2010/1/28 Daniel Morris daniel.mor...@bbc.co.uk: Sorry, I didn't realise we were back in the 1970s

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread David Greaves
Dan Brickley wrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: So, what does everyone think? Would make a very luxurious smart and expensive remote control, or if you stuck legs on it, a very very small multi-touch table. Apparently that's not all it does:

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:20, Michael Kraskin michael.kras...@bbc.com wrote: I think the no-Flash means that it a seriously crippled web browser.  Hardly the best way to browse the internet, and thus will be a serious disappointment, not only to power users, but to casual internet surfers as

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Rupert Watson
@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:20, Michael Kraskin michael.kras...@bbc.com wrote: I think the no-Flash means that it a seriously crippled web browser. Hardly the best way to browse the internet, and thus will be a serious disappointment, not only to power

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Michael Kraskin
...@lists.bbc.co.uk owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Thu Jan 28 07:56:06 2010 Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:20, Michael Kraskin michael.kras...@bbc.com wrote: I think the no-Flash means that it a seriously crippled web

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Andrew Macinnes
-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Kraskin Sent: 28 January 2010 13:28 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad Re camera, I want it for the exact same reason every single apple laptop has one. Not point and shoot, but video

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Michael Kraskin
Sent: Thu Jan 28 08:37:23 2010 Subject: RE: [backstage] iPad I can see why they didn’t put a camera on it. Who’s going to be bother holding the thing still enough to enable decent chat? It would be a nightmare to try and hold it out in front of your face and even worse for the person

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Robin Doran
...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Andrew Macinnes Sent: 28 January 2010 13:37 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] iPad I can see why they didn’t put a camera on it. Who’s going to be bother holding the thing still enough to enable

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Tom Morris
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 22:37, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: So, what does everyone think? It's very pretty, but I think it represents one of the more significant moments in Apple's transition from computer company to rich-media toy company. Which is great and all, but for the things I

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Brendan Quinn
Sent: 28 January 2010 13:49 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad I'd agree to a gentleman's wager that the second generation will have a front facing camera and a native application just for this purpose. - Original Message - From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Ian Forrester
@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] iPad heh, we have a virtual steadicam system in RD that could address this problem (the motion sickness thing)... has anyone got Steve Jobs' phone number? From: owner

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Ian Forrester
No more Macs. I'm done feeding this beast - for the same reason I was done feeding the Microsoft beast a few years ago. I'm not sure what I do now. I'll continue using the Mac I have until it needs replacing. Then whatever I get won't be a Mac. If Linux still doesn't quite fit, I'll hack

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Tim Dobson
Mo McRoberts wrote: So, what does everyone think? Hm... I'm a bit concerned that they've taken what is basically general purpose computer and said you can only do what we allow you to do. If this was a Mac Tablet, I'm not sure I'd have an issue. On your Mac you can run pretty much

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Brian Butterworth
2010/1/28 Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net It's a piece of consumer electronics. A very powerful piece of consumer electronics, but a piece of consumer electronics nonetheless. I think that's what I was getting at. Before home computers came along the things consumers bought were called

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Brian Butterworth
-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Brendan Quinn *Sent:* 28 January 2010 16:15 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* RE: [backstage] iPad heh, we have a virtual steadicam system in RD that could address this problem (the motion sickness

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 17:43, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Apologies for inflammatory language, I found out this morning someone has stolen by external terrabyte drive.  Lost a decade of TV recordings... Oh cripes, my condolences :( - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Tim Dobson
Tim Dobson wrote: It seems such a step backwards that the first device which will make a real impact on the tablet form factor is going to stifle developers open innovation and prevent consumers from getting the most out of their device. Ahaha This is probably the funniest thing I've seen so

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Tom Morris
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 22:37, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: So, what does everyone think? I quoted it earlier on my blog - Alex Payne (@al3x) states succintly what the problem is with closed platforms like the iPad: The thing that bothers me most about the iPad is this: if I had an iPad

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Dave Crossland
2010/1/28 Tom Morris bbtommor...@gmail.com: A quote from Apple COO Tim Cook: We believe that we need to own and control the primary technologies behind the products we make Err, no thanks. No more Macs. I'm done feeding this beast - for the same reason I was done feeding the Microsoft

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-28 Thread Dave Crossland
2010/1/28 Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:49, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2010/1/28 Daniel Morris daniel.mor...@bbc.co.uk: Sorry, I didn't realise we were back in the 1970s where the software that runs on the iPhone can be called an operating system. Am I

Re: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-27 Thread Steff
2010/1/27 Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net: So, what does everyone think? (and how much effect will it have on the video situation over the next 18 months or so, do we reckon?) It's just a big iPhone AFAICT*. Popularising the idea that not everything runs Flash might be educate some web

RE: [backstage] iPad

2010-01-27 Thread Christopher Woods
-Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts Sent: 27 January 2010 22:38 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] iPad So, what does everyone think? (disclaimer: I generally hate Apple