RE: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

Hello http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6353889.stm << DRM software like Apple's Fairplay or Microsoft's Windows Media DRM should properly be called digital restriction management, since its primary goal is to limit what purchasers can do with downloaded content.>> (from Bill Thompson) Isn't

[backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage ] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backsta ge] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? >Click and Torrents)

If the ONLY distribution channel open to artists/record labels was a libre channel sans DRM, would the artists/record labels (etc) stop producing and distributing? I think not. They will still make more money out of such libre publishing than they would: (1) if they didn’t publish at all (2) i

RE: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD " how DRM was defeated")

<< Try offering content that people want instead, and ask them to show support by clicking on the ads>> Most ad programs prohibit publishers from asking readers to click on ads as a way of showing support. Advertising pays for a lot of work on the net and it doesn’t hurt to show a bit of support

RE: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD " how DRM was defeated")

I think Jason makes a very good point in his mail below: advertising does work. This is especially true with the context based ads served by companies like Google where when you visit websites you can usually find ads that are relevant to what you are already looking at. They are just the same as g

[backstage] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm

The BBC has a link on: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm To a comment by Chris Pirillo at: http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/02/27/windows-vista-im-breaking-up-with-you/ But CP's site is down (possibly deluged by BBC routed hits?). Does anyone know an alternative hosting for this link

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

I fully respect Andrew's point of view as written below, but - with respect - I struggle to agree with it. Years ago, before PCs and printers, if people wanted anything copied they had to go to the local shop or library where they could use a photocopier. Today, they just use their own scanners an

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

<> If a film company can't produce a film and make money from it through its own distribution model, then in the end it will stop making films. There are plenty of people who would like to make money doing what they like, but can't find a way of making their revenue stream work. The market decides

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

<> I don't propose funding a multi-million pound film, so it is not my concern. If it can be made, it can be made. If it can't be made, it can't be made. If people don't want to pay for films, then don't make them. My neighbour wishes they still made wooden boats like the Mary Rose, but I and my m

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

Of course it is about laissez-faire economics: business is, as business always has been. << But if he somehow managed to find an investor to stump up the money for just such a boat, with the idea that he would make a profit by selling jaunts on the ship, would you and your mates refuse to pay for

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

<> Cool. What you don't understand, you call sophomoric nonsense. Think you've won the argument there, at least with yourself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Deirdre Harvey Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:17 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.

RE: [backstage] BBC on YouTube

Would seem to weaken the case for any DRM - especially as the Beeb appears to be condoning "independent" use of its material: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6411017.stm <> <> -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Crossland Sent: Fri

RE: [backstage] Angus McBean

It was called: Capturing Celebrity... Mon 5 Mar, 7:00 pm - 7:30 pm 30mins ...The Photographs of Angus McBean. A look at the career of the Newport-born artist currently being celebrated in a major exhibition at the National Museum of Wales. [S] http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:hEOaftmqsWcJ

RE: [backstage] Angus McBean

Looks like it was on Wales BBC 2. Could try: http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/2w/content/contact.shtml -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:15 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] An

RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial

Multicast with Zen.co.uk worked sporadically. When it worked, it worked well. When it didn't, it didn't show anything other than a blank video screen. Just curious and apologies for being off topic, but have noticed, post Vista launch, that quite a lot of people seem to be switching from Windows t

RE: [backstage] OS choice (was: Multicast Trial)

I could add quite a few to that anecdotal tally: people who have switched to Macs (Mac Book Pros, especially) and people who say they will switch once Leopard is released. Know a lot of people who last year were planning on switching to Vista - some did and have already gone back to XP or changed t

RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u & me

Seems like a lot of Mac growth in a single month.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:04 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u & me Isn't the first,

RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u & me

I realised the error after sending the message ;-( Still, a significant rise for the Macs and a further indication that the OS ground does appear to be shifting. Would be interesting to know if that is reflected in stats for other companies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ma

RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

Me three ;-)) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kirk Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:45 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial I just received an e-mail which seemed to confirm I was part of the trial -

RE: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

<> (I ask this politely) On what basis do you say that? I don't know anyone who is happy with DRM. My 70 year-old neighbour refuses to buy DRM material just on the principle that rights shouldn't be managed because the implication of all DRM is that the buyer would be - but for the DRM - a thief

RE: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

<< So - how, in your system when all media are free, do you reward creativity? Or do you believe that creativity is not worth monetary reward?>> Most of what the media produces isn’t creative: it is formulaic and componentised in much the same way as any factory that assembles work on a production

RE: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

<< Here we go again with the "there are plenty of other ways to make money" / "loads of other business models" argument. >> Just for the sake of accuracy ... I didn't actually say either of the above. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard

RE: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

Hey Rich ++ Oh. Right. Sorry. "wouldn't struggle with how to make money from its work." I'm sure there's a distinction between that and "would be able to come up with a different business model" There is a distinction because I'm not saying that people "would be able to come up w

RE: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

I didn’t say anything about Coronation Street or things being popular being uncreative – I’m saying it doesn't take anything exceptional to produce much of the media content we have today. Most people could step into a media role and produce work that is as good as what we are served up with today.

RE: [backstage] DRM does not work... what next?

That's just a personal preference amongst some people - it isn't wrong. According to Michael Swan from Oxford University Press, Practical English Usage: British English: different from / different to American English: different from / different than -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTE

RE: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails

I agree with you - just got the same message and had the same thought. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adam Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:48 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails Hi, I've just rec

RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

By ditching DRM, sales increase and copyright holders make more money anyway: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/macuser/news/140652/uk-retailers-called-for-ditching- of-drm.html "independent labels are outselling restricted downloads by four-to-one." Better to have a larger slice of the cake than to have a

RE: [backstage] Muddy Boots on Backstage

Journalists in terms of national newspapers and national broadcasters aren't needed in modern society. We could easily and happily do without them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Deirdre Harvey Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:48 AM To:

RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray

What I /heart/ about the pre-2K bit of plastic is the way it takes control over your TV/DVD and insists that you watch the copyright notices and it tries to thrust the 'don't copy videos' advert on to you. Why should any company have the right to stop you using your own DVD controls and force you t

RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray

Is that right? These days doesn't everyone store their still pics digitally? Store their video camera clips digitally? Store their music digitally? I think the only thing that gets in the way is DRM. Downloading a movie/song often comes with DRM restricting usage to set players. With a CD/DVD you

RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray

Could be good marketing if they can make it cost effective. How many people bought HD-DVD anyway... presumably not /that/ many or the format wouldn't have gone belly up. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Barber Sent: 22 February 2008 11:58

RE: [backstage] Adobe fuses on and offline worlds

I agree with Tim Dobson and welcome getting views that make me think from all parts of the thought spectrum. Consider may of posts I read to be thought provoking. If other people feel they are trolled by Dave's views, then that's their own feelings - but I welcome his comments and find the vilifica

[backstage] Undermining iPlayer DRM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_727/newsid_7271000/7271098.stm?b w=bb&mp=wm&news=1&bbcws=1 With ideas like this being touted by the BBC for people to get content on different devic

RE: [backstage] Undermining iPlayer DRM

But how is the BBC protecting rights holders when it has online video instructions telling you how to record progs without any DRM protection. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 March 2008 15:52 To: backstage@lists.bb

RE: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

Maybe the BBC is only paying lip-service to the notion of DRM knowing that anything it puts in place can and will be broken. Maybe everyone should just keep quiet and play along with this DRM charade? Can't help but feel that the DRM supporters are the luddites of the 21st century - people who me

RE: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

Wrong - the door is open with a welcome sign because all the progs are broadcast first of all on TV without DRM. Adding DRM later on is just a meaningless waste of money. If people want to get content online, they can and they will. iTV will probably make it even easier if it records live TV as sug

RE: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

I'm happy to take the BBC's money and produce content for it without any DRM clause. The BBC can find other suppliers. It doesn't have to stick with its current suppliers/friends/former employees-now-turned-private-production-companies. Break up the cartel and get some new life and new thinking int

RE: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

On so many levels, that's incredibly bizarre and effete. > Hello. > > I'm a BBC senior manager; but posting personally as a fan of Backstage. > > It puts us (those that care about Backstage) in a really difficult position > if it's used to share information on ways to get around content-restric

RE: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

Indicative of BBC /management/. Erm. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dom Ramsey Sent: 14 March 2008 12:50 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over? On 14 Mar 2008, at 11:13, James Cridland wrote: > I don't

RE: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site

The double mastheads (black then red) take up too much space and push the main chunk of the site too far down the page. Apart from that, a very nice design. Centred and wider.. at last. /applause/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher W

RE: [backstage] DAB rollout...

Bit of luck you didn't move to where I live There is not digital anything here (not TV or DAB). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rupert Watson Sent: 09 April 2008 05:35 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] DAB rollout...

RE: [backstage] DAB rollout...

Yep, am waiting for freesat to launch as there is no digi signal on our transmitter until 2012. Though freesat won’t give me radio reception ;-( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 09 April 2008 07:44 To: backstage@lists.bb

RE: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed

I think the ISPs have a point ... the ADSL network is (currently) like a collection of country roads (narrow and fairly slow) which the BBC is trying to drive it's supersize juggernauts down. Think the ISPs should use some form of traffic shaping for iPlayer traffic and that the BBC and other su

RE: [backstage] Question.. is denuding News 24 of its digits a brilliant idea?

Saying BBC News doesn't make much sense either as there are lots of BBC News programme transmissions other than News 24 (notwithstanding the fact that so many of the transmissions have more or less the same content, so it doesn't really matter where you've seen it). BBC 24 would (IMO) have been a b

RE: [backstage] Friday humour

For Matt’s collection: I was walking past a building the other day, and all the people were shouting, "13...1313...13." The fence was too high to see over, but I saw a little gap in the planks and looked through to see what was going on. Someone poked me in the eye with a stick and then they

[backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

If BT can, why can’t you or anyone else? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 09 June 2008 15:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for t

RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!

Can Flash be reduced to a controllable toolbar on your start bar, and can it be told to stay on top of other windows … both features that I for one use a lot with WMP and (OMG) RP as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gavin Pearce Sent: 13

RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!

Anything is possible, of course, but people want plain simple easy things that work the way they expect them to work. Flash embedded BBC content isn’t really user friendly… I think. ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gavin Pearce Sent: 13 Ju

RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!

I’d have to disagree. Not if it can’t easily be reduced to a controllable item on the task bar, and not if it can’t be told to stay conveniently on top of other windows. Having to have IE/FF open (with their physical screen size) to watch something in flash is just a nuisance especially if you can’

RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!

I'd second that ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hannen Sent: 13 June 2008 15:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! An option for the iplayer to pop-out to an "always on top" widow, woul

RE: [backstage] Inline hypertext links - you're doing it wrong!

I can't see any difference on the page suggested whether I turn links on or off?!? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7555927.stm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:29 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk S

[backstage] BBC.co.uk not working

BBC.co.uk not working?

RE: [backstage] Is news.bbc.co.uk broken?

ditto -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Libby Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:22 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Libby Miller Subject: Re: [backstage] Is news.bbc.co.uk broken? On 26 Nov 2008, at 09:12, Dominic Burns wrote:

[backstage] IPlayer Radio 4 BAB Feed?

Anyone know why the Book At Bedtime (Radio 4) feed in iPlayer for this week's "A Christmas Carol" is missing? Monday's episode is available, but not Tuesday's or Wednesday's. Thanks

RE: [backstage] IPlayer Radio 4 BAB Feed?

Many thanks I was going from here http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/book_bedtime.shtml sans luck. Can get it from the link you suggested. Much appreciated. Festive wishes ;-) -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of M

RE: [backstage] IPlayer Radio 4 BAB Feed?

Here we are exchanging festive wishes and we haven't even got to the last redeeming episode yet ... we're still meant to be going bah! humbug! and chasing carollers with rulers. ;-) -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On B

RE: [backstage] BBC - "a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide"

What's the environmental footprint/audit for the locking used on DVDs to *force* the copyright notice (or the stupid 'you wouldn't steal a car" conceit) on viewers? -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Fearghas Mc

[backstage] OT - Mobile Broadband

Totally OT and self indulgent (APOLOGIES), but wondered if anyone knows from experience of a mobile broadband product (PAYG) that works in Falmouth, Cornwall. Needs to work on a Mac - MBP. Thanks

RE: [backstage] OT - Mobile Broadband

Thanks for all the replies from different people. Yep, my feelings exactly - it is just a modem so it should work. I know areas (e.g. right outside the Vodafone shop in Falmouth - where they have a booster aerial) where the Vodafone will work on Windows, so I think I'll go that route and give it

RE: [backstage] OT - Mobile Broadband

VERY useful – thanks From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:16 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] OT - Mobile Broadband You can find the mast and services

RE: [backstage] OT - Mobile Broadband

Muchas gracias, amigo From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of jugjogee Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:52 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] OT - Mobile Broadband I have an E172 which worked with a Mac (powerpc