Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-15 Thread Dan Brickley
On 15/3/09 02:32, Andy Halsall wrote: I concur with his viewpoint that business models are being broken faster than new ones can be invented. Business models and distribution methods, the demand for high quality content however remains constant Really? Do we have metrics...? I'd love to see

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-15 Thread Dan Brickley
On 15/3/09 02:12, Sean DALY wrote: http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2009/03/newspapers-and-thinking-the-unthinkable/ I was fascinated by this piece. Example: Society doesn’t need newspapers. What we need is journalism. Related theme in Juan Cole's blog recently,

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-15 Thread Kevin Anderson
As an American who worked for the BBC for eight years, it's interesting to see some of the comments here and say that they aren't entirely accurate. It's not correct to conflate PBS and NPR. Although both public, they are funded with slightly different mechanisms and are different organisationally

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-15 Thread Andy Halsall
On Sunday 15 March 2009 07:45:27 Dan Brickley wrote: On 15/3/09 02:32, Andy Halsall wrote: I concur with his viewpoint that business models are being broken faster than new ones can be invented. Business models and distribution methods, the demand for high quality content however

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-15 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/3/15 Kevin Anderson global...@gmail.com: As for Clay's piece, it's one of the best of a kind. I would say that much of the discussion here is confusing public funding with a business model. I think the phrase business model is colloquially used as funding model for people for whom the

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-15 Thread Andy Halsall
On Sunday 15 March 2009 14:55:43 Dave Crossland wrote: 2009/3/15 Kevin Anderson global...@gmail.com: As for Clay's piece, it's one of the best of a kind. I would say that much of the discussion here is confusing public funding with a business model. I think the phrase business model is

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-15 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/3/15 Andy Halsall andyhals...@ictsc.com: On Sunday 15 March 2009 14:55:43 Dave Crossland wrote: 2009/3/15 Kevin Anderson global...@gmail.com: As for Clay's piece, it's one of the best of a kind. I would say that much of the discussion here is confusing public funding with a business

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-15 Thread Kevin Charman-Anderson
On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 16:36 +, Dave Crossland wrote: But make money for whom? Those doing the activity at the core of the profession - in the case of newspapers, the reporters; in the case of music, the artists - or for those involved in the profession in roles peripheral to it's core,

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-15 Thread Rob Myers
Kevin Charman-Anderson wrote: But Dave, taking a swing from the barricades at the profiteering publishers sounds lovely but it comes close to ignoring the pain and economic dislocation that journalists are going through at the moment. We're not the only ones hurting in this recession, but

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-15 Thread Sean DALY
I would venture to add it's even worse for print journalists, who generally speaking in the past had a stressful day to make deadline then time off was time off. Nowadays, print journalists covering a beat are often expected to file online from wherever they are if there is breaking news in their

[backstage] XML feeds broken

2009-03-15 Thread adancy+backstage
This is probably as good a place as any to report this - the Audio on Demand XML feeds (e.g http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/availability/radio4.xml ) seem to be broken. They don't appear to have updated since the 12th March. Hopefully it's just a case of a simple spot of percussive maintenance on

Re: [backstage] XML feeds broken

2009-03-15 Thread Paul Webster
Same issue was reported over on the Reciva forums. I tried to alert James Cridland via Twitted and pretty sure that others have tried via the email address at the top of the XML. Looks like BBC iPlayer is deriving data from elsewhere. If it was the same place as made available to 3rd-parties