RE: Spiritual disease

2003-08-06 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Matt,   Your question generated many profound thoughts and scriptural references, thank you!  One aspect, I don't believe has been expressed is *susceptibility* to a disease of the spirit.  >From the earliest days of my Baha'i life I've found this quote from Abdu'l-Baha to be one of the

Re: Anything new on the House and women question?

2003-08-14 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
<>But most religions have affirmed women's spiritual equality. If that is all we are talking about when we speak of equality, then what progress have we made over Islam which asserts women are spiritually egual but socially different?<> <> 2) It tends to some rather disturbing speculations ab

Re: Descent of Baha'u'llah (VERY LONG)

2003-08-14 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Geoff, Finding your inquiry fascinating I've done a bit of research. Long ago I had concluded, to my personal satisfaction, the lineage of Baha'u'llah, however, the argument related to Jehoiachin was something new and that led me, naturally, to the Bible. First the lineage of Baha'u'llah and

Re: Allah the Christian God

2003-08-14 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Brent: <>My question is, haven't they -- Catholics and other Christian denominations -- been calling on God with the Arabic word "Allah?" Aren't they doing so today? Isn't the priest at Mass in those basilicas speaking to "Allah"?<> Dear Brent, This is something I've also been curious about.

Re: Letter and Spirit of Laws Concerning Personal Devotions

2003-08-14 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
<> Do any of you know of passages from the writings that addresses this? That is, places in the writings that discuss observing the spirit of the law, while not adhering strictly to the letter. <> Dear Tim, Here are a few scriptural references from Baha'u'llah for your personal reflection and co

RE: Nabi and Rasul

2003-08-14 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Vaughn wrote: I think Baha'ullah taught that any of the Prophets could claim to be the "Seal of the Prophets". Even as He saith: "Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but He is the Messenger of God." Viewed in this light, they are all but Messengers of that ideal King, that unchange

Re: Sex and marriage

2003-08-18 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Sheila wrote:  <>If we want celibacy outside of marriage we should encourageyoung marriages with extended family support. Financially and emotionally both families should work togather to help the young couple provide for their children, work out their problems and raise the next generation.

Re: Obeying the law

2003-08-20 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
"...Baha'is obey the laws, Federal or state, unless submission to these laws amounts to a denial of their Faith.  We live the Baha'i life, fully and continuously, unless prevented by the authorities.  This implies, if it does not categorically state, that a Baha'i is not required to make a j

Re: Webster or OED on Consecration

2003-08-24 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dearest Khazeh, Certainly both the Guardian, and before him Abdu'l-Baha, exemplified a level of consecrated service unsurpassed by any believer. There have been several Hands of the Cause and elected members of the House of Justice who have, in my view, attained a recognizable degree of "consecr

Re: Revival and Decline

2003-09-04 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Brent, You quoted your friend: "Ask yourself, 'Does it pass the smell test?'" You are no doubt aware that Baha'u'llah, also, endorses the "smell test"... References below. Lovingly, Sandra "Glorified art Thou, O Lord my God! Rain down, I beseech Thee, from the clouds of Thine overflowing

Manifestations only from the east?

2003-09-05 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Matt, (and David)   Firstly, I tend to agree with you that there are no assurances in the Writings (to my knowledge) the Universal House of Justice will automatically "recognize" the next Manifestation.  If someone knows of a passage that lends itself to such assurance I would welcome th

Re: Manifestations only from the east?

2003-09-06 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear David, Please forgive me, sometimes I forget that not everyone on this list has been reading my "opinions" for years! [How arrogant of me!] You replied: <> I'm having difficulty understanding how belief that there have been Indigenous (Western) Prophets is in line with the belief that ALL

Re: Whoso layeth claim...

2003-09-09 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear David, you wrote:  <> 'Abdu'l-Baha did lay claim to a Revelation, <>    Please provide the source for this statement.   Thanks much.   Sandra -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i St

Re: Whoso layeth claim...

2003-09-09 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
<> I kind of wonder if 'Abdu'l-Baha deliberately avoided referring to Himself as such to avoid confusion. <>   Dear David,   Actually, Abdu'l-Baha deliberately stated that he was NOT a Prophet (Manifestation of God).  I'll post quotes when I have more time - soon...   Lovingly,  Sandra

Re: Whoso layeth claim...

2003-09-09 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear David,   Sorry, I also intended to ask for the reference statement you attributed to the Guardian in this comment...   <> but since Shoghi Effendi indicated 'Abdu'l-Baha Revealed things <>   I get a bit uncomfortable when believers make comments as statements of fact,  suggesting that A

Re: Trailers

2003-09-12 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
<> OK, so if lengthy msgs are a problem for a few, how about an education campaign for the others on how to eliminate the html version from their msgs? <> Dear Don, It's easy enough to do - unfortunately, I often forget, because all my other e-mail correspondence to-and-from me is in html. (the

Re: Forsaking home, kindred, friends...

2003-09-15 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
<> Sailing northward as far as Alaska [Margaret Green, Susan Rice, Emogene Hoagg, Marion Jack], pushing on to the West Indies ???, <> Mrs Emogene Hoagg was directed to Italy. (H.M. Balyuzi, Abdu'l-Baha - The Centre of the Covenant, p. 407) Marion Jack: "For over thirty years, with an enlarged

RE: Forsaking home, kindred, friends...

2003-09-17 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Steve, Thank you so much for taking the time to include the excerpt from Star of the West. Most certainly Ms. Susan Rice should be mentioned. It would have been a long and arduous journey on the Yukon from Canada to Alaska and definitely would have taken all summer. Even now, a river-trip t

Re: Bathing

2003-09-23 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
"It hath been enjoined upon you to pare your nails, to bathe yourselves each week in water that covereth your bodies, and to clean yourselves with whatsoever ye have formerly employed." Dear David, It's fairly obvious why it is advisable to pare our nails. The fingers of the hands are employed in

Re: Bathing

2003-09-23 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
<> So in this passage I don't see the meaning you do. <> Dear David, One final word (from me) on the subject of bathing... Absolve: ...to set free from an obligation or the consequences of guilt Lovingly, Sandra -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: Forsaking home, kindred, friends...

2003-09-25 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Steve, I've located another Alaskan travel teacher: Orcella Rexford taught the Faith in Alaska in 1922 and was the Spiritual Mother of Betty Becker, 2nd pioneer and member of the first Spiritual Assembly in Alaska. Source: Alaska Baha'i News, September 1961, article by: Janet W. Stout (f

Re: Leadership

2003-09-25 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Loni,   This may be useful...  not knowing your specific needs.  There are quotes included in this study guide:   The Skills of Servant Leadership   http://www.mdssed.org/publications/servantleadership.html   Lovingly,  Sandra -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMA

Re: Critical realism

2003-09-27 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
<> Society and its groups are constantly being restructured as people react to their own histories. <> Dear Mark, With this conclusion in mind; In your opinion please describe a scenario that would require society to become pro-active vs. reactive ? Thanks for the free consultation ~ Lovingly,

Re: Literalism

2003-09-28 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Mark, In your response to William: <>You are using the term "literalism" differently than I am.<> Got me thinking this is probably why sometimes your comments leave me with more questions than answers... ;- ) Reflecting on other views you've expressed (my past experience) is it more accurat

Re: Each one teach one

2003-09-29 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear David, In August I had the bounty of once again working in the Baha'i Booth at the Alaska State Fair. During one 4hr shift no less than 5 people came into the cabin (booths are actually cabins!) and each of them mentioned that they were not Baha'is themselves, but that they were acquainted w

Re: Each one teach one

2003-09-29 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
<>During one 4hr shift no less than 5 people came into the cabin..<> Just want to add for clarification: of the 30+ visitors in the 4hr period five were friends of Baha'is... We actually had hundreds visit the Baha'i booth during the run of the Fair as I'm sure is the case throughout the US as w

Re: Do any of you know a pioneer in Northern China?

2003-09-30 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Elainna, Coincidently I do, and I've just spent an evening with him (and friends and family). He was here for his mother's funeral. I will pass this information on to him before he returns. Lovingly, Sandra -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To un

Re: Designation of Avarih as Hand of the Cause of God

2003-10-20 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Susan:  in fact, I don't think Abdu'l-Baha appointed any.  Dear Susan and Badi,   We have this listing from Ministry of the Custodians:    Sandra     OUTSTANDING BELIEVERS REFERRED TO BY 'Abdu'l-Bahá, AS HANDS OF THE CAUSE DURING HIS MINISTRY, 1892-1921   Aqa Muhammad-i-Qa'ini, known as Na

Re: LANGUAGES OF REVELATION

2003-10-23 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Relevant to discussion ? Maybe... maybe not. http://www.nestorian.org/a_bird_s_eye_view_of_the_syria.html THE SYRIAC LANGUAGE Syriac belongs to the Semitic family of languages, and is a dialect of Aramaic. The history of Aramaic goes back to the second millennium B.C. It was "first attested in

Re: Shaving the head

2003-10-23 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
David: What does this explanation have to do with "the requirements of nature," though? Dear David, One very practical explanation might be that the head is the body-heat thermostat: The hypothalamus is the major center of the brain for regulating body temperature. It is sensitive to blood temp

Re: Notetakers for Promulgation of Universal Peace

2003-10-31 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Tim, A search of Ocean found a few comments concerning some of the "note takers". The 3 who are mentioned here: Bijou Straun, Joseph Hannan and Esther Foster were known to other more well known believers... Stenographers seem to fade into the background -they are so busy concentrating on w

Adam as Manifestion

2003-11-03 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Some quotes referencing / implying Adam was a Manifestation:   Contemplate with thine inward eye the chain of successive Revelations that hath linked the Manifestation of Adam with that of the Báb. I testify before God that each one of these Manifestations hath been sent down through the op

RE: Manifestation Questions

2003-11-15 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Jerry, It's interesting that your friend makes reference to the dictionary: > Webster's dictionary defines the verb form of manifest as "to make > evident or certain by showing or displaying." I realize that > dictionaries do not always define theological terms correctly. Do you > agree wi

RE: America and the Most Great Peace: More elucidation

2003-12-02 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Brent,   You are most correct in identifying our neglegence.  How often I've heard someone say "We should have brought a camera!"  or "What year was that?"   With regard to Steves query and Vaughn's comment: >...And I have often wondered why we have no notes or reports of that meeting o

Re: America and the Most Great Peace: More elucidation

2003-12-04 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Patti,   Thank you so much for the "reminder"... There are two Knights of Baha'u'llah in Anchorage, both lovely, gracious ladies who went to Unalaska -perhaps I can persuade them to be interviewed and video taped.   Lovingly,  Sandra -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mai

Re: hoping for a cite.

2003-12-05 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Faruq, Regarding the unity of Prophethood, I believe this is the quote [English translation] you are looking for... lovingly, Sandra "From all that We have stated it hath become clear and manifest that before the revelation of each of the Mirrors reflecting the divine Essence, the signs he

Re: Recite ye the verses of God every morn and eventide

2003-12-08 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Mark wrote: <> Hi, Faruq, To my understanding, the basic definition of Tilawat is "to follow." Its use as a reference to reading or chanting is similar to the English expression, "Follow along with me as we read." <> Dear Mark and Faruq, What I found intriguing about the definitions presented b

Blue Haze link

2003-12-17 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
  Here is the link for In A Blue Haze:   http://www.bahai-library.org/books/bluehaze/   Thank you, Faruq!   Sandra -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the fo

Interesting articles... same God?

2003-12-28 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
An interesting article: Commandment the First Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God? http://slate.msn.com/id/2092762/ and here: Evangelical outrage over Bush's 'same God' remark http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/11/24/wgod24.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/11/24/ixworld.

RE: Questions concerning "Immaculate Conception"

2003-12-29 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Vaughn: <> ...it makes more sense to me that initially the Guardian considered the phrase "Immaculate Conception" as another way to refer to the Virgin Conception of Christ's body and learned later the differences between the two Catholic doctrines of "Immaculate Conception" versus "Virgin Birth".

Help - I'm a home-school teacher...

2004-01-04 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
This year, after the 1st quarter in public school, I decided to home-school my 7th Grader - my 13 yr. old grandson.   We are using a computer based curriculum which is working out really well for us - because I can feel more like the teacher's aide than the primary instructor.   This week he

RE: Fines

2004-01-12 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
<> It's interesting that this only mentions sexual intercourse between two people who are unmarried and adultery, as this leaves out a punishment for an unmarried individual who has relations with a married individual.<> Dear David, My understanding of this is the two people in question (who have

re: Quotes for 15th birthday party

2004-01-14 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Perhaps these may also be appropriate;  if not too late.    In the years when my fellow pioneers and I were raising our children in a small interior Alaskan community we would have a large celebration for our youth on their 15th birthday (The children out numbered the adults!)  Because we w

Re: Baha'i Saints, Heroes, Martyrs, Administrators

2004-01-18 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Patti, Thank you for the quotes! With regard to rank of saints, heros, martyrs and administrators, and any honor these titles might imply is due to the "recognition" one receives in direct proportion to their personal effort... "Whoso maketh efforts for Us, in Our ways shall We assuredly gui

re: SAQ question

2004-01-19 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
<> "Let the dead bury their dead" <> I believe this remark by Jesus is a scathing denunciation of the "spiritually dead". Remember, also that Christ said He would "divide" families; those who believed would forsake all to follow Him - including, apparently, abandoning a father - dead or physicall

Re: Prophets and sin

2004-01-30 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
David,   From the quote provided by Michael:  " though apparently directed to the Prophets -- that is to say, to the Manifestations of God -- in reality are intended for the people."  it occurs to me that perhaps we (homosapiens) are just now beginning to grasp the "essential nature" of Divin

RE: Humility and self-delusion

2004-02-05 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Hi there David! I see you've been thinking again... you wrote: <>Humble people often genuinely believe themselves to be of a lower station than they really are, and express views which are false.<> My understanding of humbleness is ones ability to repress feelings of spiritual, intellectual, or

Rank and Station of souls

2004-02-05 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
LXXXVI.  And now concerning thy question whether human souls continue to be conscious one of another after their separation from the body. ... The people of Baha, who are the inmates of the Ark of God, are, one and all, well aware of one another's state and condition, and are united in the

Re: Humility and Abu'l-Fadl

2004-02-06 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Patti wrote: <>I think a reason that some of the most praiseworthy Baha'is do not want praise is because the praise is directed toward them, rather than toward the power of God which they allow to be manifested in them.<> I agree completely with this - and one could hardly say "God made me do it