Re: dhcp-4.2.2

2011-11-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
On 11/2/2011 5:07 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: For instance subversion really goes with programming more than networking; TCP Wrappers goes more with either System Utilities or Security; etc. I'd just like to mention that I mildly disagree on both counts, especially Subversion. For instance, we use

Re: dhcp-4.2.2

2011-11-04 Thread Jonathan Oksman
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Randy McMurchy ra...@linuxfromscratch.org wrote: I'd just like to mention that I mildly disagree on both counts, especially Subversion. For instance, we use Subversion to track the changes of our own books, which has nothing to do with programming. I could name

Re: dhcp-4.2.2

2011-11-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Randy McMurchy wrote: On 11/2/2011 5:07 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: For instance subversion really goes with programming more than networking; TCP Wrappers goes more with either System Utilities or Security; etc. I'd just like to mention that I mildly disagree on both counts, especially

Re: dhcp-4.2.2

2011-11-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Jonathan Oksman wrote: While we're on the subject, I noticed recently that cmake is in the system utilities section. It's intended use is as a build system for programming, so it could be argued that it does belong in the programming section. It's a language for describing the build process

Re: dhcp-4.2.2

2011-11-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
On 11/4/2011 1:14 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Besides, building LFS/BLFS *is* programming. You still go through an edit, build, check process. The output of a programming process is not always executable code. Not at all trying to argue, but for the sake of discussion I think it is a stretch to

Re: dhcp-4.2.2

2011-11-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: I agree that version-control packages are used for a lot more than programming, and that tcp wrappers can be in either place. But for cmake, I have to mildly disagree (mildly, because I no-longer build it, and would need extremely strong reasons to build it again) - in

Re: dhcp-4.2.2

2011-11-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Randy McMurchy wrote: On 11/4/2011 1:14 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Besides, building LFS/BLFS *is* programming. You still go through an edit, build, check process. The output of a programming process is not always executable code. Not at all trying to argue, but for the sake of discussion I

Re: dhcp-4.2.2

2011-11-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
On 11/4/2011 1:25 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: {,un}zip: System Utilities - General Libraries pkg-config - Programming ? I'm lost with these changes. I'd bet for every time the zip library is used, the (un)zip utils are used 20 times. And how does pkg-config fit with

Re: dhcp-4.2.2

2011-11-04 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 01:44:33PM -0500, Randy McMurchy wrote: On 11/4/2011 1:14 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Besides, building LFS/BLFS *is* programming. You still go through an edit, build, check process. The output of a programming process is not always executable code. Not at all trying

Re: dhcp-4.2.2

2011-11-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Randy McMurchy wrote: On 11/4/2011 1:25 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: {,un}zip: System Utilities - General Libraries pkg-config - Programming ? I'm lost with these changes. I'd bet for every time the zip library is used, the (un)zip utils are used 20 times. Yes, I

Re: dhcp-4.2.2

2011-11-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 01:44:33PM -0500, Randy McMurchy wrote: On 11/4/2011 1:14 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Besides, building LFS/BLFS *is* programming. You still go through an edit, build, check process. The output of a programming process is not always executable code. Not

Re: r8935 - in trunk/BOOK: . general/genlib general/genutils general/prog general/sysutils introduction/welcome networking/netprogs postlfs/security

2011-11-04 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 03:03:42PM -0600, bdu...@linuxfromscratch.org wrote: Author: bdubbs Date: 2011-11-04 15:03:36 -0600 (Fri, 04 Nov 2011) New Revision: 8935 Log: Update to glib-2.31.0. Update to pkg-config-0.26. Remove gcc3. More package reorganization. Bruce, you do realise that

Re: dhcp-4.2.2

2011-11-04 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
On Nov 4, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Bruce Dubbs bruce.du...@gmail.com wrote: I see no use at all of pkg-config outside of programming. It's definitely connected to programming, but then so is glibc, binutils and gcc. But I don't think I'd classify them under a programming label. Pkg-config is a

Re: r8935 - in trunk/BOOK: . general/genlib general/genutils general/prog general/sysutils introduction/welcome networking/netprogs postlfs/security

2011-11-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 03:03:42PM -0600, bdu...@linuxfromscratch.org wrote: Author: bdubbs Date: 2011-11-04 15:03:36 -0600 (Fri, 04 Nov 2011) New Revision: 8935 Log: Update to glib-2.31.0. Update to pkg-config-0.26. Remove gcc3. More package reorganization. Bruce,

glib1 and gtk1

2011-11-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Is there anything significant left that uses glib1 or gtk1?. Looking at the book, the following reference glib1: general/sysutils/mc.xml: Can use glib2 kde/devel/kdebindings.xml:KDE3 - Optional networking/netutils/wireshark.xml:Can use glib2 x/lib/gtk+.xml: The

Re: r8935 - in trunk/BOOK: . general/genlib general/genutils general/prog general/sysutils introduction/welcome networking/netprogs postlfs/security

2011-11-04 Thread Wayne Blaszczyk
On 05/11/11 10:30, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 03:03:42PM -0600, bdu...@linuxfromscratch.org wrote: Author: bdubbs Date: 2011-11-04 15:03:36 -0600 (Fri, 04 Nov 2011) New Revision: 8935 Log: Update to glib-2.31.0. Update to pkg-config-0.26. Remove gcc3.

Re: dhcp-4.2.2

2011-11-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
On 11/4/2011 6:27 PM, Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Still, both sides of the argument have valid points. Perhaps programming is too broad a term. Agreed. There should be a programming languages section, and then perhaps a programming tools section. Combining them is simply confusing. I've been around

Re: r8935 - in trunk/BOOK

2011-11-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
On 11/4/2011 6:57 PM, Wayne Blaszczyk wrote: The latest stable is 2.30.1. And can easily be identified visiting the GTK site: http://www.gtk.org/download/linux.php -- Randy -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html

Re: glib1 and gtk1

2011-11-04 Thread Jonathan Oksman
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Bruce Dubbs bruce.du...@gmail.com wrote: Is there anything significant left that uses glib1 or gtk1?.  Looking at the book, the following reference glib1: *snip* If so, we would need to remove xmms and gsview also. I've never used gsview so I can't really

Re: dhcp-4.2.2

2011-11-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Randy McMurchy wrote: On 11/4/2011 6:27 PM, Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Still, both sides of the argument have valid points. Perhaps programming is too broad a term. Agreed. There should be a programming languages section, and then perhaps a programming tools section. Combining them is simply

Re: r8935 - in trunk/BOOK

2011-11-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Randy McMurchy wrote: On 11/4/2011 6:57 PM, Wayne Blaszczyk wrote: The latest stable is 2.30.1. And can easily be identified visiting the GTK site: http://www.gtk.org/download/linux.php I believe you and Wayne, but it's not very obvious to me from the page you reference. The page says

Re: glib1 and gtk1

2011-11-04 Thread Michael Uleysky
Gsview old but useful viewer of ps and pdf files. Its unical feature - possibillty to display postscript coordinates for point under mouse cursor - very useful for manual writing and editing postscript files. I don't know other viewers with such functionality. 2011/11/5, Jonathan Oksman