Re: [board-discuss] New Version of Strategic Marcom Plan

2020-07-15 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Andreas, On 15/07/2020 18:48, kainz.a wrote: > If you are at an LibreOffice conference there are 40% people from > ecosystem and 40% volunteers. By head-count - there are a vast number of volunteers doing great stuff, they completely swamp the full-time paid developer head count. Many

Re: [board-discuss] New Version of Strategic Marcom Plan

2020-07-15 Thread kainz.a
For me community edition mean that the user is part of the community so it implies user can contribute. For me community is the right label cause TDF and LibreOffice stand for community. toki schrieb am Mi., 15. Juli 2020, 21:59: > On 2020/07/15 17:47, Kev M wrote: > > >Your branding expert is

Re: [board-discuss] New Version of Strategic Marcom Plan

2020-07-15 Thread toki
On 2020/07/15 17:47, Kev M wrote: >Your branding expert is possibly correct in their assessment that Personal is >better. But alarms are going off in the heads of me and other FOSS >supporters/ideologues on the implications of the term. Hard to balance >interests. The hardest part of

Re: [board-discuss] Some problems.

2020-07-15 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Michael, Michael Weghorn wrote: > In my opinion (and from own experience at the City of Munich), > LibreOffice (and other FLOSS software) is often not suitable for many > large enterprises "as is", so a good way of managing the lifecycle and > getting issues addressed (i.e. professional

Re: [board-discuss] New Version of Strategic Marcom Plan

2020-07-15 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Michael Meeks wrote: > Absolutely, my hope is TDF gets more developer mentors to nurture > those who are frustrated by the code and want to become part of the > solution =) > Quite - expect some job posting there in the nearest future. ;) Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description:

Re: [board-discuss] New Version of Strategic Marcom Plan

2020-07-15 Thread Kev M
> The document just confirms that the start screen is missing, and does > not even hint to add one. Respectfully; The opposite of missing is found. I was reacting defensively but there it could be interpreted that way by someone without context (like me). On the brand expert that offered his

Re: [board-discuss] New Version of Strategic Marcom Plan

2020-07-15 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 7/15/20 6:36 PM, Kev M wrote: > I still don't like slide 46: "...focused on needs of individual users" - > Why can't it say only "you are using the volunteer supported version of > LibreOffice" - or "you are using the volunteer supported version of > LibreOffice, this version does for

Re: [board-discuss] New Version of Strategic Marcom Plan

2020-07-15 Thread Tuomas Hietala
Hello Italo, Thanks for explaining the reasoning behind the choice of words (p. 49-50). Perhaps I come from another filter bubble, so let me explain my perspective. To me, Personal Edition suggests a no-cost version of a proprietary application, with limits to commercial use. For example: [1]

[board-discuss] Ideas for marketing plan and role of TDF, & also something on branding of LibreOffice

2020-07-15 Thread gerry
Dear all, dear BoD,   In the marketing plan 2020-2025, I would really like to see a better definition of the role of the TDF in the expansion of the LibreOffice universe.   In my opinion, the TDF should more actively act as an independent "broker"/advisor for LibreOffice. TDF could act as (1)

Re: [board-discuss] Some problems.

2020-07-15 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Michael, Michael Weghorn wrote: > In the former case, adding the relevant information (professional > support available and encouraged for enterprises) more explicitly to the > website or maybe using existing mechanisms to inform the user (like > mentioning support in the donation/contribution

Re: [board-discuss] Some problems.

2020-07-15 Thread Michael Weghorn
On 15/07/2020 15.11, Telesto wrote: > The 'free beer' argument starting to become annoying;-). I'm hearing > lots of self-pitty. > Nobody asks a company to contribute to the LibreOffice code (for free). > Yes, it belongs to a model where you believe in. > If you believe code be open source, while

Re: [board-discuss] Some problems.

2020-07-15 Thread Michael Weghorn
Hi Thorsten, On 15/07/2020 15.12, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Michael Weghorn wrote: >> In the former case, adding the relevant information (professional >> support available and encouraged for enterprises) more explicitly to the >> website or maybe using existing mechanisms to inform the user

Re: [board-discuss] Some problems.

2020-07-15 Thread Michael Weghorn
Hi Michael, thanks for your reply. :-) On 13/07/2020 20.32, Michael Meeks wrote: > On 12/07/2020 02:11, Michael Weghorn wrote: >> Simplifying and exaggerating a bit, I'd try to sum up the described >> problem as "There's not enough revenue for ecosystem companies, but >> those are essential for

[board-discuss] New Version of Strategic Marcom Plan

2020-07-15 Thread Italo Vignoli
A new version of the strategic marcom plan has been uploaded to Nextcloud: https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/4pLtn9xn76BkxFK Please refer to this version for your comment, as it clarifies some specific points which were raised during the discussion, although not mentioned at all in the

Re: [board-discuss] New Version of Strategic Marcom Plan

2020-07-15 Thread kainz.a
Thanks for the update Italo, I didn't find what TBD is at the presentation so I search the internet and get this result from wikipedia [1] TBD ... to be done, to be dated, to be designed Please add what TBD mean [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/TBD Am Mi., 15. Juli 2020 um 16:07 Uhr schrieb

Re: [board-discuss] New Version of Strategic Marcom Plan

2020-07-15 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Thanks for notifying us of an acronym that may lead to misunderstanding. In this context it means To Be Decided. We are still receiving feedback so nothing has been decided yet. Ciao Paolo On 15/07/2020 17:46, kainz.a wrote: > Thanks for the update Italo, > > I didn't find what TBD is at the

Re: [board-discuss] New Version of Strategic Marcom Plan

2020-07-15 Thread Michael Weghorn
On 15/07/2020 16.05, Italo Vignoli wrote: > A new version of the strategic marcom plan has been uploaded to > Nextcloud: https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/4pLtn9xn76BkxFK > > Please refer to this version for your comment, as it clarifies some > specific points which were raised during

Re: [board-discuss] New Version of Strategic Marcom Plan

2020-07-15 Thread Kev M
All of my comments are as a user/donor, so take from them with the importance you see fit. I believe TBD is To Be Determined. I don't know what the acronym USP means. I like "LibreOffice Technology" a lot more than "LibreOffice Engine". I still don't like slide 46: "...focused on needs of

Re: [board-discuss] New Version of Strategic Marcom Plan

2020-07-15 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 7/15/20 6:36 PM, Kev M wrote: > I don't know what the acronym USP means. Unique Selling Proposition -- Italo Vignoli - LibreOffice Marketing & PR mobile/signal +39.348.5653829 - email it...@libreoffice.org hangout/jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0

Re: [board-discuss] Some problems.

2020-07-15 Thread Telesto
The 'free beer' argument starting to become annoying;-). I'm hearing lots of self-pitty. Nobody asks a company to contribute to the LibreOffice code (for free). Yes, it belongs to a model where you believe in. If you believe code be open source, while making profit, it's also your task to come

Re: [board-discuss] New Version of Strategic Marcom Plan

2020-07-15 Thread Telesto
I'm still the opinion that the "Marketing Communications Plan" being (totally) insufficient to solve the current problem, not intended as offense to the author.   The Marketing _Communication _Plan shows the need for a whole business case for the company's involved (including a market