Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-28 Thread Martin
On 23/06/10 21:49, Raistmer wrote: There is a huge difference between feedback and bashing. We aren't talking about feedback. Feedback is constructive. [...] BTW, just one more thought on topic: there are 2 kinds of feedback actually. Feedback on technical actions were done - bug

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-24 Thread Maureen Vilar
As I still know very little about what will happen about the new credit proposal could I please ask a few questions in the hope that others may be able to clarify the situation. 1. I assume that Seti is still using new credits. Has the trial of new credits there been considered successful? 2.

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-24 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
On 6/24/10, Maureen Vilar mavi...@gmail.com wrote: 3. Are there any plans yet to add the code for the new credits to a future Boinc server version? The BOINC server doesn't have versioned releases. Projects usually run the latest code available (from 'trunk'). There is also the 'server_stable'

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-24 Thread David Anderson
On 24-Jun-2010 8:36 AM, Maureen Vilar wrote: As I still know very little about what will happen about the new credit proposal could I please ask a few questions in the hope that others may be able to clarify the situation. 1. I assume that Seti is still using new credits. Has the trial of

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-24 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
On 6/24/10, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: On 24-Jun-2010 8:36 AM, Maureen Vilar wrote: 8. Can anyone explain how the new proposal works? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CreditNew That's an implementation plan, not an explanation. It mentions what database fields will be

[boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Richard Haselgrove
This is really addressed to the whole BOINC development team, but I suppose to David in particular. I wonder if it would be possible for you to post, hopefully in the not-too-distant future, a summary of where we're up to with the whole 'CreditNew' bundle (which of course includes important

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Lynn W. Taylor
At the same time, I think it's time that some of the noisier volunteers grew up. First, we need to keep in mind that BOINC and CPDN are different. I understand the problem in the SETI forums, but I wouldn't think that needs to be said here. Second, projects like s...@home make a number of

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Raistmer
No one like to recive negative feedback, especially for poorly implemented stuff (and even softly speaking it was poorly implemented on SETI main indeed). But w/o such feedback next attempt would be even worse. BTW, bugs like ridiculous quota numbers still reported even now... I'd go so far

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Lynn W. Taylor
There is a huge difference between feedback and bashing. We aren't talking about feedback. Feedback is constructive. When most of the threads talk about blame that isn't feedback, that's a witch-hunt. ... and at some point, people get tired of reading the bashing, get tired of the witch

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Lynn W. Taylor
I have one more comment on this subject, and then I'll not comment further. Milo Bloom said The first sign of a nervous breakdown is when you think your work is terribly important. This isn't like mail servers or web sites or DNS where everything has to work perfectly -- or else! It is a

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Lynn W. Taylor
I hear what you're saying. What you're saying is that a project *IS REQUIRED* to provide enough work to keep every host fully occupied at all times. ... because that's the only thing that will keep some volunteers from getting so very angry. I know of no organization that relies on volunteers

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Raistmer
I hear what you're saying. What you're saying is that a project *IS REQUIRED* to provide enough work to keep every host fully occupied at all times. ... because that's the only thing that will keep some volunteers from getting so very angry. Actually not. I just want to point out that

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Lynn W. Taylor
... and that's the problem. If you say there is a problem that's respectful. If you go straight to they did this on purpose, just to cause trouble for the volunteers then that is not respectful. -- Lynn On 6/23/2010 1:21 PM, Raistmer wrote: I hear what you're saying. What you're saying is

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Raistmer
... and that's the problem. If you say there is a problem that's respectful. If you go straight to they did this on purpose, just to cause trouble for the volunteers then that is not respectful. -- Lynn Agree. And when you give notice of changes before breaking all system down and some

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Lynn W. Taylor
I know of no developer who intentionally breaks things. Suggesting that an operational project would intentionally install broken software is disrespectful in the extreme. So is the term geek minority -- which I've now objected to twice. Some volunteers strictly follow what was asked, and

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Raistmer
There is a huge difference between feedback and bashing. We aren't talking about feedback. Feedback is constructive. When most of the threads talk about blame that isn't feedback, that's a witch-hunt. BTW, just one more thought on topic: there are 2 kinds of feedback actually. Feedback

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Richard Haselgrove
...@ssl.berkeley.edu Cc: BOINC Developers Mailing List boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew? This is really addressed to the whole BOINC development team, but I suppose to David in particular. I wonder if it would

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Raistmer
I can't think of a bigger disaster than software development by democratic votes. Sorry, you missed my point :( I didn't propose _to ask_ participants do changes or not, where you read that? I proposed to adequately _INFORM_ participants of what is going to be and what happened. As it's well