And there are plans for invading N Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Japan,
Columbia, New Zealand, Spain, Canada..any country you want. It's what
the military does.
Plans in the Pentagon are not the same thing as plans in the White House. I
think the point is not that the Defense Dept. was
On Sunday 2004-01-11 00:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Plans in the Pentagon are not the same thing as plans in the White House. I
think the point is not that the Defense Dept. was doing its job but that
the newly installed Bush administration was thinking about invading Iraq
months before Sept.
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 11:45:19PM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 04:08 PM 1/10/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:
Bullshit.
I wrote:
There's no need to swear.
The Fool wrote:
That's not swearing.
Uh, does *anyone* here agree with The Fool?
I am quite offended by the word sw**r, John.
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 12:55:12AM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote:
I like Thomas Friedman's idea that GW Bush's presidency is *NOT* Bush
II, but Reagan III, or even better, Regan Squared.
Regan made Goldwater look moderate, the W Bush administration makes
Regan look moderate
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Travis Edmunds wrote:
You see, I'm at somewhat of a disadvantage due to my age. I'm
only 21
That mean's I'm no longer the youngest Brin-Ler. It's about
time! :-)
Quiet, ya whippersnapper! And get offa my lawn!! ;-p
Jim
Right about at the median age around here I think
Robert Seeberger wrote
http://intuitor.com/physics_test/PhysicsSavvy.html
70% for me. Not bad for someone who hasn't cracked a physics book in almost 15 years,
I suppose.
Jim
The world is flat isn't it maru
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On 11 Jan 2004, at 4:49 am, G. D. Akin wrote:
Has anyone read Kim Stanley Robinson's Orange County trilogy?
I have.
Are they
worth reading?
I found the third (_Pacific Edge_ the Utopian version of Orange County)
very dull. But _The Wild Shore_ and _The Gold Coast_ were quite good.
--
William
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I don't know about financial models, but I do know that
judgement, especially when immediate judgement on critical
issues is necessary, is affected by fatigue. For one thing,
tired people tend to be grumpy people, and may do things
they later regret.
I think both of
John objected to swearing in a post.
I believe the problem he had was with the word bullshit.
My opinion on that word is:
a) Throwing that into an argument is an emotional matter, and undercuts
the intellectual content of what you're trying to say somewhat. You
look more rational if you
Robert Seeberger wrote:
So where is it inaccurate exactly.
Most of the history in the book was a but beyond the scope of my
education, but I found the hypothesis at least plausible.
Anyone here have some expertise in those eras of history?
Damon?
The Graal was secured in Portugal, that
I never read the book, but ironically it came up as a
subject on Mediev-L list I'm subscribed to. It was
pretty heavily criticized as a crack-pot type
interpretation of history. The main complaints,
however, is that it did not follow standard historical
methodology, such as making conclusions from
Although occasionally advances in historical
knowledge
can occur by outsiders (i.e. non-professionals),
more often than not these people have little to add
(and therefore would be fine for pop or
introductory
history), or rather, lack training in methodology so
that their conclusions are
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2004_01_04_dneiwert_archive.html#1073799095
31128573
The Immigration Nexus
Saturday, January 10, 2004
The uproar over George W. Bush's proposal for immigration reform has
revealed a significant rift within the American right -- namely, between
its corporatist
Bryon wrote:
That's happened to me a few times recently as well. Just
today I got one from Tricia Blankenship.
I got one from Tricia Blankenship as well.
Lal
GSV Spam Hell
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The Maher Arar Case
Impeach George Bush and Richard Cheney. Impeach them now. We are the
United States of America. We do not do things like this.
Christopher Pyle writes about the Maher Arar case:
It is time someone asked. What our government did to Maher Arar is worse
than anything the British did to our Colonial forefathers. It was worse
than anything J. Edgar Hoover did to alleged Communists, civil rights
workers and anti-war activists during his long program of dirty tricks.
At 03:41 PM 1/11/2004, you wrote:
It is time someone asked. What our government did to Maher Arar is worse
than anything the British did to our Colonial forefathers. It was worse
than anything J. Edgar Hoover did to alleged Communists, civil rights
workers and anti-war activists during his
On Sunday 2004-01-11 13:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This guy did nothing and they treated him like he personally guided the
planes into the Twin Towers by wire.
Now the problem is that you cannot be certain he was not important until AFTER
his, er, thorough interogation by third parties.
Responding to another list member's ghost post with hateful, hate filled
clones: too upset to come up with more adjectives? I'd say you and your
lot are the ones filled with hate and madness. I'm happy even with pipes in
my kitchen frozen, the cable being out, my cat being sick and numerous
Perhaps you arrest and tort..., ah,
thoroughly interrogate 99 basically innocent profilees to snare a single
operative or active supporter.
We. Don't. Torture. Period. Besides being despicable, it almost never works.
Most people will say ANYTHING to stop being tortured.
I understand the
In a message dated 1/10/2004 9:24:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
It seems like the editing reported it exactly how it is.
Dean plainly said that listening to other peoples' arguments for eight
hours would be a waste of time for ordinary people -
because they can't
- Original Message -
From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: Physics Quiz
Robert Seeberger wrote
http://intuitor.com/physics_test/PhysicsSavvy.html
70% for me. Not bad for someone who hasn't cracked a physics
In a message dated 1/10/2004 4:25:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Personally, if you want to talk about pandering, I'll talk abotu a party
that collects 90% of the vote of people of a certain race.
That's only
*possible* via pandering
Alternately, it may be the
In a message dated 1/10/2004 11:35:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You see, I'm at somewhat of a disadvantage due to my
age. I'm only 21, and
I'm only now beginning to immerse myself into
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Science Fiction In General
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:31:24 -0600
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From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
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From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: xBrin-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 1:22 PM
Subject: The Immigration Nexus
This is typical. These are people who say, OK, this is great. I don
t
care if these Mexicans are going to live 20 or 30 in a
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Stephan King
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:24:02 -0600
- Original Message -
From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
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From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Extraordinary Rendition
Responding to another list member's ghost post with hateful, hate
filled
clones: too upset to come up with
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Return of the King Review Re: my mini review
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:04:51 -0600
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs
- Original Message -
From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Science Fiction In General
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL
At 09:45 AM 1/11/04, Steve Sloan II wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I don't know about financial models, but I do know that
judgement, especially when immediate judgement on critical
issues is necessary, is affected by fatigue. For one thing,
tired people tend to be grumpy people, and may do
At 10:14 AM 1/11/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Julia
who has called shotgun on a number of occasions and found that it's not
always the wisest course if you're the smallest person in the party
'Cuz the kick of a 12-gauge is likely to knock you right on your a$$ . . .
-- Ronn! :)
At 12:00 PM 1/11/04, Damon Agretto wrote:
I never read the book, but ironically it came up as a
subject on Mediev-L list I'm subscribed to. It was
pretty heavily criticized as a crack-pot type
interpretation of history. The main complaints,
however, is that it did not follow standard historical
At 05:34 PM 1/11/04, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Who hopes both you and your cat are better soon, the pipes aren't broken
and you've got a good movie or two you can watch while the cable's out. 8^)
I was going to say the same thing, but I guess I'll just say, Me, too!
-- Ronn! :)
Trent Shipley wrote:
Ok. But it's better to go back and set the Drake factors based on what
we want to get in the end.
Excellent idea!
And then we can get back and estimate how many planets developed
pre-sentient life _before_ the Progenitors came and destroyed their own
planets causing
At 06:34 PM 1/11/2004, you wrote:
Kevin wrote:
Responding to another list member's ghost post with hateful, hate filled
clones: too upset to come up with more adjectives? I'd say you and your
lot are the ones filled with hate and madness. I'm happy even with pipes
in my kitchen frozen, the
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/printable592330.shtml
From the very beginning, there was a conviction
that Saddam Hussein was
a bad person and that he needed to go, he tells
Stahl. For me, the
notion of pre-emption, that the U.S.
Travis Edmunds wrote:
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Return of the King Review Re: my mini review
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:04:51 -0600
The young think they know everything
At 02:24 PM 1/11/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:
http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2003_archives/003029.html
The Maher Arar Case
Impeach George Bush and Richard Cheney. Impeach them now. We are the
United States of America. We do not do things like this.
I am personally shocked that
At 06:34 PM 1/11/2004 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/10/2004 4:25:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Personally, if you want to talk about pandering, I'll talk abotu a party
that collects 90% of the vote of people of a certain race.
That's only
At 12:55 AM 1/11/2004 -0700 Trent Shipley wrote:
I like Thomas Friedman's idea that GW Bush's presidency is *NOT* Bush II,
but
Reagan III, or even better, Regan Squared.
50 years from now, historians will refer to 12 years of Bush-Clinton
interrupting the Reagan-Dubya Administrations.
JDG
The Fool wrote:
Bullshit. The Republican party is _built_ on confederate loving, racist,
bigoted, bible thumping fundamentalists in the south. Republicans
couldn't win without the bigot vote. Republicans like Rush, and
Buchanan, routinely pander to bigoted southerners.
How interesting.
Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
Julia
who has called shotgun on a number of occasions and
found that it's not
always the wisest course if you're the smallest
person in the party
'Cuz the kick of a 12-gauge is likely to knock you
right on your
Anyhow, I will now humbly wait for all of the Brin-L's resident liberals to
point out that interrogtating a foreigner without a lawyer (if indeed that
this story is true) does not constitute a high crime and misdemeanor.
Don't ever travel in a foreign country in case you get on the wrong
Robert Seeberger wrote:
http://intuitor.com/physics_test/PhysicsSavvy.html
77.5 %
Embarrassing
xponent
But At Least I Passed Without Study G Maru
rob
I got 90-something, after spending lots of work trying
to see how picky to be in answering the questions. It does not
help
At 05:42 PM 1/11/2004 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote:
So, is this a disgruntled employee snapping at the
folks who fired him? Or is this former member of the
Nixon and Ford admins blowing a whistle for good
reason?
I think almost certainly the former.
The piece opens with O'Neill criticizing the
At 10:12 PM 1/5/2004 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you condone his behavior or not?
No, I do not condone the abuse of prescription drugs.
Lets get back to Plame. Do you condone the outing of a CIA operative?
I do not condone the outing of a CIA operative.
JDG - As long as we are being
At 10:22 PM 1/5/2004 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a Catholic, I find it completely unsuprising that a
sinner would admit
to wrongdoing only when caught.
Such is human nature.
Yeh, kind of like lying about affairs.
So? Clinton had a much higher responsibility, like to faithfully
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 02:24 PM 1/11/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:
http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2003_archives/003029.html
The Maher Arar Case
Impeach George Bush and Richard Cheney. Impeach them now. We are the
United States of America. We do not do
At any rate, who cares about this stuff? About the most damning claim
O'Neill has is that Bush actually had far more pre-planning for the war in
Iraq than we have previously none. So, we are going to pillory Bush for
planning ahead?
Um...well...considering that he never mentioned any
At 10:29 PM 1/5/2004 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/3/2004 6:48:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In general, however, I have no problem with Rush Limbaugh using all of the
Laws of Florida - even potentially those laws he may have disagreed with -
in
At 01:51 AM 1/12/2004 + Alberto Monteiro wrote:
The Fool wrote:
The Republican party is _built_ on confederate loving, racist,
bigoted, bible thumping fundamentalists in the south. Republicans
couldn't win without the bigot vote. Republicans like Rush, and
Buchanan, routinely pander to
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fool wrote:
Bullshit. The Republican party is _built_ on confederate loving,
racist,
bigoted, bible thumping fundamentalists in the south. Republicans
couldn't win without the bigot vote. Republicans like Rush, and
Buchanan, routinely
John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Deborah Harrell wrote:
So, is this a disgruntled employee snapping at the
folks who fired him? Or is this former member of
the Nixon and Ford admins blowing a whistle for good
reason?
I think almost certainly the former.
grin I daresay I have
At 08:08 PM 1/11/04, David Hobby wrote:
Robert Seeberger wrote:
http://intuitor.com/physics_test/PhysicsSavvy.html
77.5 %
Embarrassing
xponent
But At Least I Passed Without Study G Maru
rob
I got 90-something, after spending lots of work trying
to see how picky to be in answering
At 08:12 PM 1/11/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:
As opposed to impeaching someone for ?
Perjury.
JDG - Not that someone who posts daily complaints objecting to lying by
the Administration would understand.
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At 09:14 PM 1/11/2004 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Um...well...considering that he never mentioned any of this at any point,
and
that the reasons he's given for invading Iraq have turned out not to be the
case (no WMD, no real Al Qaeda connection, no responsibility for 9-11) -
doesn't it bother
At 08:56 PM 1/11/2004 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am completely unable to understand why you dismiss this so cavalierly.
I am not dismissing this cavalierly. The person being cavalier here is the
former *Clinton* Administration Official who is calling for *impeachment*.
That's cavalier.
In a message dated 1/11/2004 7:31:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
7) To produce heat, the Sun burns hydrogen in a combustion reaction.
Your Answer: false
View Explanation
So what was their explanation for claiming
At 10:19 PM 1/5/2004 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/3/2004 6:30:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Point 1 _ There seems
to be no debate on the fact that Halliburton overcharged. Even the
incredibly pro-business Bush administration is not making your
At 10:14 PM 1/5/2004 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/3/2004 6:30:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's funny and ironic. My Dad recently accused me of always seeing
sinister motivations among the right, and being far quicker
to criticize
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 09:45 AM 1/11/04, Steve Sloan II wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I don't know about financial models, but I do know that
judgement, especially when immediate judgement on critical
issues is necessary, is affected by fatigue. For one thing,
tired people
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 10:14 AM 1/11/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Julia
who has called shotgun on a number of occasions and found that it's not
always the wisest course if you're the smallest person in the party
'Cuz the kick of a 12-gauge is likely to knock you right on
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
The Fool wrote:
Bullshit. The Republican party is _built_ on confederate loving, racist,
bigoted, bible thumping fundamentalists in the south. Republicans
couldn't win without the bigot vote. Republicans like Rush, and
Buchanan, routinely pander to bigoted
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This looks like the sort of
story that, if true, would produce outrage in the mainstream press -
not
just on liberal blogs.
You mean like the Washington Post, where this story _Originated_ several
months ago?
O.k., in response to Bob Z.'s challenge, I am going to do nothing but
criticize conservatives in this post.
1) George W. Bush allowed too many people to be executed in Texas. (I
opposed to the death penalty in almost all cases.)
2) Any Republican who criticizes the Bush Administration's
At 08:40 PM 1/11/04, Vilyehm Teighlore wrote:
In a message dated 1/11/2004 7:31:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
7) To produce heat, the Sun burns hydrogen in a combustion reaction.
Your Answer: false
View Explanation
So
At 08:55 PM 1/11/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 09:45 AM 1/11/04, Steve Sloan II wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I don't know about financial models, but I do know that
judgement, especially when immediate judgement on critical
issues is necessary, is affected by
At 07:53 PM 1/11/04, Deborah Harrell wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
Julia
who has called shotgun on a number of occasions and
found that it's not
always the wisest course if you're the smallest
person in the party
'Cuz the kick of a
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 08:55 PM 1/11/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 09:45 AM 1/11/04, Steve Sloan II wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I don't know about financial models, but I do know that
judgement, especially when immediate judgement on
At 11:59 PM 1/4/2004 -0500 Bryon Daly wrote:
I used to hate the Bills (sorry John!), back from around the Giants-Bills
superbowl days.
I forgive you I used to hate the Denver Broncos for always going to the
Super Bowl and losing for the AFC - because I *hated* an idea that was
gaining
Vent time:
I just spent nearly an hour doing research and
on-the-phone with a friend who has an adrenal tumor of
uncertain significance (most incidentalomas of the
adrenal glands turn out to be benign); she's had a
number of tests but her care has not been coordinated
AT ALL and no one has
John wrote:
If you go back and look at almost any major speech on the subject by the
Bush Administration, you will not find the case presented as you did
above.
Sorry, John, this is completely revisionist. I posted a URL to Colin
Powell's speech to the U.N. several months back while
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