Re: Brin: Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread JDG
At 10:01 PM 3/14/2005 -0800, you wrote: What's stunning is the ability of hypocrites to make excuses for (or ignore) the most relentless and deliberate politicization and political purge of our officer corps. Where can I find out more about this? I checked your website/blog but didn't see

Re: Brin: Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread JDG
At 07:51 PM 3/14/2005 -0800, Dr. Brin wrote: The following is from fomer brinneller Stefan Jones: It's almost as if being a conservative has come to mean never being wrong. Since you're never wrong, the rules for mere mortals don't apply. No need for apologies, doubt, or second thoughts. Which

Re: Brin: Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread JDG
At 06:36 PM 3/14/2005 -0800, Dr. Brin wrote: Moreover, the Saddam regime was begging to be told where else inspectors wanted to visit. What utter mularkey! Hussein was dodging the inspectors left and right. Even Hans Blix never accused the Iraqis of providing full cooperation!!! If he

Re: Brin: Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread JDG
At 12:01 PM 3/14/2005 -0800, you wrote: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:59:18 -0500, JDG wrote False.Iraq had a stagnant nuclear arms program - although nobody could have verified that it was stagnant at the time. something about them not complying with UN inspections How do we know that

Re: Brin: Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread Nick Arnett
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:02:42 -0500, JDG wrote We spent 12 years trying to verify it, and Iraq refused to comply with the UN inspections to do so, even after being provided a final opportunity. Indeed, we were uncovering a lot of evidence that the Iraqis had something to hide. And the

RE: Brin: Re: More examples of the incredible

2005-03-15 Thread Horn, John
Behalf Of John D. Giorgis Here is how Slate.com answered that question Since grand jury investigations are secret, it's not clear whether Novak has already testified in front of the grand jury, has refused to testify, Unless you are Bill Clinton, of course. Or Barry Bonds, for

RE: Brin: Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread Horn, John
Behalf Of JDG But - who would possibly want to save Taiwanese lives when the sensibilities of the sort of people who run over peaceful demonstrators with tanks is at stake? Wouldn't fighting a war with mainland China cost a whole LOT of Taiwanese lives? (Not to mention American and

RE: Brin: Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread Horn, John
Behalf Of JDG I am sure that that aligning ourselves with Iran in taking over their country would have *really* endeared ourselves to the Iraqi people.To say nothing about endearing ourselves to the wider Arab World, our Western Allies, and the other members of the UN. Uh

Re: Brin: Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Mar 15, 2005, at 5:54 AM, JDG wrote: At 07:51 PM 3/14/2005 -0800, Dr. Brin wrote: The following is from fomer brinneller Stefan Jones: It's almost as if being a conservative has come to mean never being wrong. Since you're never wrong, the rules for mere mortals don't apply. No need for

Re: off topic: WEb Video

2005-03-15 Thread Dave Land
Warren, On Mar 14, 2005, at 5:20 PM, Dave Land wrote: The option to include text stating a right-click will save is probably the optimal one. And doesn't violate How The Web Works, either, although it does activate Donald Norman's If you have to explain it, it is designed wrong meme. Well,

Re: Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread Dan Minette
JDG wrote: I think this had something to do with Bill Clinton being completely snookered by the North Koreans, resulting in the DPRK building plutonium-based nuclear weapons. Only you, Dr. Brin, could manage to blame the Bush Administration for one of Clinton's Top 5 failures as President.

Re: Brin: Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:35 AM Subject: Re: Brin: Re: more neocons On Monday 2005-03-14 23:01, Doug Pensinger wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:37:34 -0800 (PST), David Brin

Re: off topic: WEb Video

2005-03-15 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Mar 14, 2005, at 11:22 PM, Dave Land wrote: I'm actually quite astounded at how easy Apple has made it to get a web server up and running on Mac OS X You mean Apache on BSD? ;) -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The

Re: Brin: Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Mar 15, 2005, at 10:59 AM, Dan Minette wrote: I do think there is evidence that senior officers who voice strong criticism of Rumsfeld's ideas do put their career at risk more than they would have under previous presidents. You mean like whatsisname, the Army general who advised more troops

Re: Brin: Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Brin: Re: more neocons But I do know that Other Posters on this list have asserted claims and then, asked for cites, said they

Re: off topic: WEb Video

2005-03-15 Thread Dave Land
On Mar 15, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Mar 14, 2005, at 11:22 PM, Dave Land wrote: I'm actually quite astounded at how easy Apple has made it to get a web server up and running on Mac OS X You mean Apache on BSD? ;) Yes, but the point is, you don't have to know that to make it

Healthcare + Economics

2005-03-15 Thread Kanandarqu
Heard this guy on the radio today and then found an email from my health policy list. Not all the answers... but sounds like a good start to combining prevention and healthcare which Debbie and I both tend to focus on in any overhaul.

Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread Kanandarqu
Dan wrote- I racked my brain to try to figure out any means by which this can be hyperbola for something that is actually happening. I do think there is evidence that senior officers who voice strong criticism of Rumsfeld's ideas do put their career at risk more than they would have under

Star Wars, True story

2005-03-15 Thread MironMurcury
You can get into a new _Star Wars_ movie for 1/2.5? Where? You'll Laugh! You'll Cry! You'll Kiss Three I Mean Twelve Bucks Good-bye! Maru --Ronn! :) Ronn, Warren, et al, For Star Wars 2, I waved my arms softly, I repeated the magic chant, ''We are not the Jedi ticket holders you

Re: Brin: Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread David Brin
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where can I find out more about this? I checked your website/blog but didn't see anyhthing there and couldn't find anything in a news search either. I have already said too much. What is public is a consistent pattern from the hounding of Shinseki

Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread Kanandarqu
Warren wrote- But I do know that Other Posters on this list have asserted claims and then, asked for cites, said they couldn't reveal their sources. This behavior seems to havve been accepted from them. Is it possible we've got a mirror of that here? Dan wrote The pattern's wrong. Look at

Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread Kanandarqu
Dan wrote- Well, what option would you have had him choose? I agree with Gautam that the options with N. Korea are bad and worse. (snip) Anyways, which choice would you have suggested for Clinton? Do you see a fourth choice? From my limited understanding of N. Korea, I don't think any

Re: [Satire] Flintstones Are Way Too Gay

2005-03-15 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:38:18 -0600, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, fish seafood are on the allergen list for me, so I don't touch any of them anyway. So no Trout Ice Cream with Eyeball for you? If you don't get it, then apparently you don't watch enough Iron Chef or Iron

Re: [Satire] Flintstones Are Way Too Gay

2005-03-15 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:07:27 -0500 (EST), Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: Clearly, some people can't handle spelling either. D'oh!Oh, you're just having a rough spell today . . . You know, if puns could kill, one would have to have a

Re: Brin: Re: more neocons

2005-03-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: Where can I find out more about this? I checked your website/blog but didn't see anyhthing there and couldn't find anything in a news search either. I think that you're just supposed to take his word for it that the Saudis have a list of US Officers, and pick and choose the ones they

Big News for a list member

2005-03-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
Big news for another list member. Our very own John Giorgis has just been chosed as a Presidential Management Fellow - one of the most prestigious appointments in the civil service. Congratulations John! Gautam Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free

Re: Big News for a list member

2005-03-15 Thread Nick Arnett
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:08:28 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda wrote Big news for another list member. Our very own John Giorgis has just been chosed as a Presidential Management Fellow - one of the most prestigious appointments in the civil service. Congratulations John! Congrats, indeed. But

RE: Big News for a list member

2005-03-15 Thread Jim Sharkey
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Big news for another list member. Our very own John Giorgis has just been chosed as a Presidential Management Fellow. Which means what? Takwe pity on those of us who *don't* have Tom Friedman's home phone number. :-) Congratulations in any case, John. Jim

RE: Big News for a list member

2005-03-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: Big news for another list member. Our very own John Giorgis has just been chosed as a Presidential Management Fellow. Which means what? Takwe pity on those of us who *don't* have Tom Friedman's home phone number. :-)

Re: Star Wars, True story

2005-03-15 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Mar 15, 2005, at 5:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronn, Warren, et al, For Star Wars 2, I waved my arms softly, I repeated the magic chant, ''We are not the Jedi ticket holders you seek'' then my girlfriend and I walked right in, sat right down and baby, let our hair fall down.