Re: US Doomed

2008-01-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 18/01/2008, at 2:15 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 10:25 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big and rigid isn't the best for passenger safety. Or for getting along with others. Or succeeding in business. Or government. Big and rigid is just bad, bad, bad. Well

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Charlie Bell
On 16/01/2008, at 10:19 AM, Jim Sharkey wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: Plenty of room Down Under... Sure, nestled in right next to the various and sundry venomous arthropods, the sharks, the jellyfish and various other natural dangers. Like North America doesn't have its fair share

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Charlie Bell
On 16/01/2008, at 2:20 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: John Garcia wrote: Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish, (pun intended) Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html . If elected, he won't be able to just wave his hand and have it done. You

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/01/2008, at 2:49 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: SUVs perform poorly in altruistic crash testing, which ranks vehicles on how much damage they inflict. They also fare poorly in almost all other crash testing too, especially in single vehicle accidents. About the only area where they do

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/01/2008, at 7:27 AM, Dave Land wrote: On Jan 16, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-16 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/01/2008, at 7:08 AM, Dave Land wrote: It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've probably made sure they've got a lot of ammo on anyone

Re: US Doomed

2008-01-15 Thread Charlie Bell
On 16/01/2008, at 8:06 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you have room for me and my family in yours? Plenty of room Down Under... Charlie. ___

Re: Take that, Iowa!!

2008-01-11 Thread Charlie Bell
On 11/01/2008, at 10:39 AM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: I'm sure some of you knew this, what with your big brains and all, but I found it interesting: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=grass-makes-better-ethanol-than-corn _Scientific American_ is saying

Re: Take that, Iowa!!

2008-01-11 Thread Charlie Bell
On 12/01/2008, at 6:10 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: You didn't parse my e-mail address. Do it now. There's plenty of suitable land for sugarcane here... :-) Hasn't it got rainforest on it? Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Does it?

2008-01-03 Thread Charlie Bell
On 03/01/2008, at 5:19 PM, Doug wrote: I take it that Bank's new Culture novel has been released somewhere in the world. I pre-ordered it but it isnt going to be released here until the end of February. Start of Feb in the UK, should have it by the middle of February. Has anyone

Re: Dog viciousness (was Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism)

2007-12-29 Thread Charlie Bell
On 30/12/2007, at 3:33 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Dec 28, 2007 3:08 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick, if you can remember where you read that, there's someone at my work who might be very grateful. It was in the New Yorker -- a Malcolm Gladwell article about profiling

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/12/2007, at 9:08 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: OTOH, Pitbulls should be called a different species; they are dogs in the same way that killer whales are whales :-/ That they've been bred for viciousness says more about the people doing the breeding than the dogs themselves. As for

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/12/2007, at 11:00 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I used orcas just because of their (wrong) name, killer whales, since they are more dolphins than whales. I didn't mean, what's wrong with the name killer whale. I meant, what's wrong with killer whales? Why do orcas give whales (or

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 29/12/2007, at 12:04 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: I used orcas just because of their (wrong) name, killer whales, since they are more dolphins than whales. I didn't mean, what's wrong with the name killer whale. It's wrong, because they are not whales. Yes

Re: Dog viciousness (was Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism)

2007-12-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 29/12/2007, at 3:02 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: I relaxed a great deal about pits after reading an article citing statistics that made it clear that *owners* are far more responsible for their dogs' behavior than I had imagined before becoming a dog owner Nick, if you can remember where

Re: Brin:World Building Wiki

2007-12-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 29/12/2007, at 9:25 AM, Trent Shipley wrote: Yes. They threw me off the Orion's Arm discussion list for being a worm hole skeptic. Skeptic or Denialist? *poke* ;-) Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 29/12/2007, at 9:46 AM, Doug wrote: Charlie, thanks for the essay and the links; good stuff. *takes a bow* My pleasure. It should be obvious it's one of my favourite topics (well, I did sit through 4 years of it at university...), and I'm always happy to talk zoology or evolutionary

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/12/2007, at 2:52 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: Where the difference is, we provide both sides of the story, Mr. Morris said. That's the thinking that really stinks, in my opinion. Polarizing issues is a great way to get attention, gain power and make money. It's no way to get to

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-27 Thread Charlie Bell
Hola! I've reordered Nick's reply slightly, 'cause I want to deal with this bit first - On 28/12/2007, at 1:23 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: I hope nobody here has imagined that I disagree for a moment with the historical reality of evolution. Nope! I was just laying it out again, 'cause Henry

Re: Texas : Master's degree in creationism

2007-12-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/12/2007, at 1:23 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: Except... that a species often isn't clearly delineated. Arse, I meant to mention this in my other reply. http://scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts/2007/01/species.php John Wilkins has a nice piece on species concepts here. Charlie.

Re: Germany moves to ban Scientology

2007-12-14 Thread Charlie Bell
On 15/12/2007, at 1:04 AM, Ray Ludenia wrote: Can't say I'm a very serious one, but there's two or three metres of prime shelf space taken up by the annual collections published in albums by Australia Post alone! It's academic anyway as we can no longer fit all our books in the library we

Re: WORLD'S EASIEST QUIZ...

2007-12-08 Thread Charlie Bell
7/10 thanks. Got 5 (thought horse), 8 (not a clue), and 9 (oops) wrong. Ta for that. C. On 09/12/2007, at 8:49 AM, jon louis mann wrote: Passing requires 4 correct answers) 1) How long did the Hundred Years' War last? 2) Which country makes Panama hats? 3) From which animal do we get

Re: Correlation v. causality

2007-12-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/12/2007, at 11:09 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: those systems through a few simple rules is a challenge, but not beyond our capacity. Interestingly, some of the most successful work has come out of games and movies - SimCity exhibits some emergence, and CGI crowd/battle scenes Oh, I gotta

Re: EP/Meme/War model was Correlation v. causality

2007-12-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/12/2007, at 8:45 AM, hkhenson wrote: At 01:00 PM 12/5/2007, Nick Arnett wrote: It's great food for thought, but I'd still like to escape the circularity. Is it just politically incorrect to consider non-Darwinian explanations? One can consider them. But one has to actually show

Re: dogmatism v. pragmatism

2007-12-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/12/2007, at 3:05 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: I'm also a committed Christian and there's nothing incompatible about the two. Except insofar as Christianity makes claims about how the world is. IIRC, you're a Lutheran, and the American Lutheran church is fairly progressive. But saying

Re: Correlation v. causality

2007-12-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/12/2007, at 2:56 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: I'm talking about the Santa Fe Institution people and those doing related work. Kauffman, Waldrop, Holland, Arthur, Lewin, etc. Right, now I'm a lot closer to understanding what you're alluding to (but it's the Santa Fe Institute...). I

Re: dogmatism v. pragmatism

2007-12-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/12/2007, at 11:17 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: There has been at least one time when I made a commitment to a church-related activity and our CEO called and wanted to talk business, urgently, and I told him that on that particular day -- a Saturday -- my priority was the church.

Re: EP/Meme/War model was Correlation v. causality

2007-12-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/12/2007, at 8:45 AM, hkhenson wrote: Furthermore, I think pure Darwinian explanations are generally wrong. Everything doesn't arise from competition and we have mathematics (complexity) that demonstrates that, or at least very strongly suggests that Darwinian models are

Re: Correlation v. causality (was Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin)

2007-12-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/12/2007, at 4:56 AM, William T Goodall wrote: And people who think like that are dangerous to themselves and others. Hence religion is evil. I don't agree that religion is evil. It just opens a large door to evil by fostering unquestioning obedience. Charlie

Re: Correlation v. causality (was Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin)

2007-12-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 04/12/2007, at 11:03 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: I'm pointing out that there's a correlation between skepticism about science and good science. The country that includes a lot of skeptics about science is the same country that excels in science. Therefore, one may leap to the

Re: Correlation v. causality (was Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin)

2007-12-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/12/2007, at 8:06 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Dec 4, 2007 12:47 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's true scepticism, and not denialism. The US is a leader of science in spite of it's religiosity, not because of it. It seems far more likely to me that the same freedoms

Re: Correlation v. causality (was Re: Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin)

2007-12-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/12/2007, at 8:19 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Dec 4, 2007 12:32 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't agree that religion is evil. It just opens a large door to evil by fostering unquestioning obedience. I think this confuses a belief of certain religions with the general

Re: Correlation v. causality

2007-12-04 Thread Charlie Bell
Since they bear the children, you can blame women for wars. grin Of course you also have to give them credit for peace. In this model the low birth rate is the reason Western Europe has been so peaceful since WW II. Apart from Ireland and Spain... ;) Keith Henson Welcome back Keith.

Re: Correlation v. causality

2007-12-04 Thread Charlie Bell
Evolutionary psychology states that *every* human psychological trait is either the result of direct selection or a side effect of direct selection. (With a bit of possibility of something being fixed due to random genetic drift.) This is arguing from a conclusion. The conclusion is that

Re: Correlation v. causality

2007-12-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/12/2007, at 3:04 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Dec 4, 2007 7:39 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll certainly allow that it *may* be true, but it certainly isn't proved -- our understanding of evolution is far from complete. Yours may be - that doesn't mean others don't

Re: Correlation v. causality

2007-12-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/12/2007, at 4:02 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: Nah-ah. Just a fact. No-one knows everything in a field, and lay- people often think they have a far better grasp of a technical field than they do. Sure. But you don't know what I have or haven't studied about evolution and Darwinism, so

Re: Where the web is heading?

2007-11-23 Thread Charlie Bell
On 23/11/2007, at 7:41 AM, Dave Land wrote: Extra points to Julia for (at least implicitly) knowing that Craptaculous is the correct word (with all due respect -- that is to say, not much -- to Nick): Craptaculous, embiggens and Cromulent are all Simpsoneologisms. Cromulent was a

Re: Uplift at Yellowstone

2007-11-20 Thread Charlie Bell
On 20/11/2007, at 9:11 AM, Deborah Harrell wrote: Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippage Consider Phlebus is my favorite Banks, but I enjoyed all of the culture novels. I recently finished _Inversion_, which I don't think is a Culture tale, Yes it is. :-) Charlie.

Re: Tattoos - Scientifical

2007-11-18 Thread Charlie Bell
On 19/11/2007, at 3:24 AM, Robert Seeberger wrote: http://m3.alexweidmann.com/piles/?s=sciencetattoo Has to be seen to be believed.G That appears to be shamelessly nicked from Carl Zimmer's blog The Loom, where he's been running a series on science tats for a while. Charlie.

Re: $2,000,000,000,000.00

2007-11-14 Thread Charlie Bell
On 14/11/2007, at 9:31 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Doug wrote: That's what this war is projected to cost. Which means that the war will cost $0,000,000,000,000.00 - the dollar is USA's, you can make any dollars you want, and China will eagerly trade the dollars for their LSD-bindeezes,

Re: $2,000,000,000,000.00

2007-11-14 Thread Charlie Bell
On 14/11/2007, at 10:14 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: Which means that the war will cost $0,000,000,000,000.00 - the dollar is USA's, you can make any dollars you want, and China will eagerly trade the dollars for their LSD-bindeezes, GHB, not LSD. Ok, LSD is the TV

Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty

2007-11-07 Thread Charlie Bell
On 07/11/2007, at 8:24 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Would jesus wear a Rolex Would Jesus wear a Rolex On His television show-ooh-ooh? You see the face on the tv screen Coming at you every sunday See that face on the billboard That man is me On the cover of the magazine Theres no question

Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty

2007-11-07 Thread Charlie Bell
On 07/11/2007, at 12:32 PM, Dan M wrote: Not about invading other countries in the name of the Lord, Allah or any athropomorphic deity... Just to be clear, is it the consensus here that no country should ever interfere with the internal affairs of another? Yet again, a Dan Strawman.

Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty

2007-11-07 Thread Charlie Bell
On 07/11/2007, at 8:18 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: I take it that conservatism has about as much relation to being truly conservative as religiosity has to actual religious belief and how those who believe should live their lives and relate to others? Yep, that's I'd probably agree with.

Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty

2007-11-06 Thread Charlie Bell
On 07/11/2007, at 1:47 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Doug wrote: Ronn! wrote: So what would most folks think of someone who professed a belief in God and spent his evenings and weekends drinking and carousing? Wouldn't that depend on what particular brand of God this

Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty

2007-11-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/11/2007, at 3:42 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: So what would most folks think of someone who professed a belief in God and spent his evenings and weekends drinking and carousing? They'd think he was a pastor in a megachurch... Charlie. ___

Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty

2007-11-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/11/2007, at 4:42 AM, Dave Land wrote: In answer to Ronn's question: They might well see him for what he is: a hypocrite. And, if they were willing to do so, they would see the hypocrisy in their own lives, and recognize the need in him and themselves to seek forgiveness and repentance.

Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty

2007-11-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/11/2007, at 12:51 PM, Dave Land wrote: I have called myself a Christian, but I despise the disease that crawls among us and advertises itself by that name. As Gandhi said when asked what he thought of Western Civilization: It would be a good idea... and that's how I see modern

Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty

2007-11-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/11/2007, at 4:49 PM, Doug wrote: Ronn! wrote: So what would most folks think of someone who professed a belief in God and spent his evenings and weekends drinking and carousing? Wouldn't that depend on what particular brand of God this person believed in and which particular

Re: Shaking!

2007-11-01 Thread Charlie Bell
On 02/11/2007, at 1:16 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: This is the last message I have received from Brin-L . . . including at least one message I sent to the list which has not shown up. Apparently Dan broke the list somehow . . . :( It's just quiet. Charlie.

Re: Brin: Fire info

2007-10-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 24/10/2007, at 1:04 PM, David Brin wrote: Ever wonder what happened to civil defense, in an era of high techHomelandSecurity? It’s guys like me… heaven help us! Maybe once this dies down and people have a chance to take stock, people in bushfire zones in the US will take a look at the

Re: Brin: Fire info

2007-10-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/10/2007, at 2:38 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Years ago, I watched a Botsuana movie The Gods Must Be Crazy, where the bushman hero used an interesting technique to fight an out-of-control fire: he used fire to start a controlled fire, creating a barrier of ashes, so that the

Re: 150 MPG from a Toyota Prius

2007-10-23 Thread Charlie Bell
On 24/10/2007, at 12:46 AM, Klaus Stock wrote: ...and when you're accelerating hard, both the engine and the motor are working together. Right. People buy a hybrid Lexus to brag about their green attitude and yet happily kick the pedal to the metal to get most of the 400+ horsepowers

Re: 150 MPG from a Toyota Prius

2007-10-22 Thread Charlie Bell
On 23/10/2007, at 3:57 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: I was surprised to see that it's only 67 hp... I drove my mother's Prius a while ago and it seemed zippier than that. Lots of torque, I guess. ...and when you're accelerating hard, both the engine and the motor are working together.

Re: Highlander: The Source - Quick, avert your eyes!

2007-10-15 Thread Charlie Bell
On 15/10/2007, at 11:02 AM, Gary Nunn wrote: Highlander 2? There is no such thing. Julia au contraire.. From the IMDB: Did you post some text after from the IMDB? It mysteriously vanished. Charlie ___

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-12 Thread Charlie Bell
On 12/10/2007, at 10:57 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: which could also stand for High Profile Vehicle, i.e., the ones which are subject to being blown off the road or over on their sides when it gets windy . . . What's the difference? That's happened to me once this year (found out when

Re: What the heck is Maru?

2007-10-12 Thread Charlie Bell
On 12/10/2007, at 1:48 PM, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: I have been reading this list for months, and I don't know what this is about. I suppose some kind of in-joke, but would someone explain it to me? Ship names. Kobayashi Maru, for example. So as apropos or amusing postscripts, Maru ship

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-12 Thread Charlie Bell
On 13/10/2007, at 1:36 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 09:33 AM Friday 10/12/2007, Charlie Bell wrote: On 12/10/2007, at 10:57 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: which could also stand for High Profile Vehicle, i.e., the ones which are subject to being blown off the road or over on their sides

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-12 Thread Charlie Bell
On 13/10/2007, at 11:59 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: I was being ironic. Me, too! Don't stop now! LOL Fair enough. Bit of a sense of humour failure last night - lost my pannier with wallet, housekeys, work pass, work blackberry, mobile phone... fortunately it was handed in to the cops

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-11 Thread Charlie Bell
On 11/10/2007, at 1:45 AM, Horn, John wrote: Charlie Bell wrote Sanctimonious? How much of a snarl-up is asking for trouble? Oooo... There's that nerve again. At least it wasn't *me* this time! It's going to get very tiresome if every time I disagree with something strongly, you claim

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-11 Thread Charlie Bell
On 11/10/2007, at 2:28 AM, Dan Minettte wrote: What you're saying is that the weak should give up their rights to the strong. Actually, while asking for trouble is a poor choice of words, I don't think that he's advocating that the weak should give up rights to the strong. I don't

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-11 Thread Charlie Bell
On 12/10/2007, at 12:40 AM, Horn, John wrote: It's going to get very tiresome if every time I disagree with something strongly, you claim it's a hit nerve... Looks like I hit ano...urk!! Oh wait... Nevermind. ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist. Funny man... :-p Charlie

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-10 Thread Charlie Bell
On 10/10/2007, at 7:23 AM, jon louis mann wrote: i think riders should do as least as much as drivers to accommodate each other, if for no other reason than they are more vulnerable. there is a too much hostility and frustration on the road to risk generating more. those sanctimonious

Re: Woo was Re: blood type

2007-10-10 Thread Charlie Bell
On 10/10/2007, at 2:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is woo? Woo woo. Magical thinking. Evidence free medicine for example. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-09 Thread Charlie Bell
On 09/10/2007, at 3:52 AM, Dan Minettte wrote: I have a question about your trip around Australia. Did you only travel on low traffic roads, or multi-lane roads, or roads with wide shoulders that can easily accommodate a bike? Most roads in Australia are what you'd call low traffic,

Re: Oops...

2007-10-09 Thread Charlie Bell
On 09/10/2007, at 12:26 PM, jon louis mann wrote: Type O was the original paleolithic blood type. Type A showed up after agriculture changed our diet from hunter/gatherer. Ah, the Blood Type Diet, which is almost certainly pure woo: Allele O phylogenetic analysis suggests that the most

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-09 Thread Charlie Bell
On 09/10/2007, at 11:52 PM, Dan Minettte wrote: I agree with that statement, I've just been irritated by the exception who insist that, since bikes were better for the environment, rude actions like snarling traffic are justified. One of the reasons I asked is that I wanted to see

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/10/2007, at 8:17 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 03:55 PM Thursday 10/4/2007, jon louis mann wrote: The biggest problem with car driver in car-based cities is the general ignorance of rules applying to bicycles. Two abreast is legal just about everywhere, and a bicycle is *entitled*

Re: Hybrid Cars: An unexpected complaint

2007-10-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/10/2007, at 12:06 AM, Horn, John wrote: Charlie Bell wrote Like everyone else? A majority of people in motor vehicles speed. Cyclists who do flaunt road rules, flaunt different road rules to car drivers, but they're still a minority of cyclists. Hit a nerve, did I? Didn't mean

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/10/2007, at 5:11 AM, Dave Land wrote: On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:40 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 04/10/2007, at 11:13 AM, jon louis mann wrote: pedestrians are not much better. i would think anyone ambulating by feet or bike would take more care because they are far more vulnerable. i

Re: Bionic Woman Battlestar Galactica

2007-10-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/10/2007, at 1:13 PM, Gary Nunn wrote: No spoilers Is anyone watching the Bionic Woman? I was pleasantly surprised by it. Yes. Started last Thursday here in Ozland. Has promise. Of course Katee Sackhoff, from Battlestar Galactica, plays a renegade bionic badass of

Re: bikes v. cars

2007-10-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 04/10/2007, at 11:13 AM, jon louis mann wrote: i ride a bike and drive so i can see both sides. i am of the opinion that both groups exhibit extremely hostile and discourteous behavior, at least in los angeles. Some do. The biggest problem with car driver in car-based cities is

Re: Car free London?

2007-10-03 Thread Charlie Bell
On 03/10/2007, at 11:07 AM, Dan Minettte wrote: u Yep. I'm still wondering what bits of London are 20 mins apart by car and hours apart by public transport (apart from at 3am, at which time most of London is 20 mins by car and unreachable at all by public transport...). I thought it would

Re: Hybrid Cars: An unexpected complaint

2007-10-03 Thread Charlie Bell
On 03/10/2007, at 10:23 PM, Jim Sharkey wrote: Apparently, they're too quiet: http://money.excite.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt_top.jsp?news_id=ap-d8s1n79o0; The National Federation for the Blind is complaining that when the cars are running on solely electricity, blind people cannot hear them and

Re: Hybrid Cars: An unexpected complaint

2007-10-03 Thread Charlie Bell
On 04/10/2007, at 12:04 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: Most of the cyclists I know are responsible and will use their bells if they're approaching an intersection with pedestrians waiting to cross. Banning bicycles is not the answer, penalizing irresponsible behavior by cyclists is. Yes.

Re: Hybrid Cars: An unexpected complaint

2007-10-03 Thread Charlie Bell
On 04/10/2007, at 12:23 AM, Horn, John wrote: Julia Thompson wrote (Most cyclists tend to be significantly more safety-conscious than many drivers, I've noticed.) Would that be the ones who ride straight through red lights and stop signs without stopping? That's a particular pet peeve of

Re: Car free London?

2007-10-02 Thread Charlie Bell
On 30/09/2007, at 8:50 PM, Gary Nunn wrote: Holy Cow!! I make a post and step away for a few weeks and find this topic ran rampant - and I missed it! Yep. I'm still wondering what bits of London are 20 mins apart by car and hours apart by public transport (apart from at 3am, at

Re: Signs

2007-10-01 Thread Charlie Bell
On 01/10/2007, at 5:11 PM, Ray Ludenia wrote: A few sent by my brother-in-law from Africa. http://raylud.googlepages.com/africa ...and even here in lovely Victoria there is some spectacularly stupid signage http://www.whittlesealeader.com.au/article/ 2007/04/24/13551_wpv_news.html

Re: ban lawns

2007-09-25 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/09/2007, at 10:27 PM, Russell Chapman wrote: Ray Ludenia wrote: Maybe in your neck of the woods, Rob. In Melbourne and most of the state of Victoria (and much of the rest of Australia), watering lawns is a big no-no. Of course, a significant region of Victoria (not that far from

Re: ban lawns

2007-09-25 Thread Charlie Bell
On 26/09/2007, at 2:09 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: For much of the past several months we've been in a so-called exceptional drought (apparently that's the level above such things as severe drought and extreme drought: whenever I heard that term on the news I kept expecting someone to

Re: Netiquette

2007-09-21 Thread Charlie Bell
On 21/09/2007, at 6:31 PM, Martin Lewis wrote: I don't get the exact meaning but presumed you were suggesting something about my mental state. In other words you were attacking my character rather than the argument. Is this not a perfect example of an ad hominem? No, because he wasn't

Re: Netiquette

2007-09-21 Thread Charlie Bell
On 22/09/2007, at 4:08 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, Horn, John wrote: Martin Lewis wrote I was using it in reference to this line: Oh, for Krum's sake, Martin. Take a pill. I don't get the exact meaning but presumed you were suggesting something about my mental

Re: Netiquette

2007-09-20 Thread Charlie Bell
On 20/09/2007, at 12:17 PM, jon louis mann wrote: depends on if it is done in a condescending manner... pointing out rules be a benefit to other newbies. other things have been pointed out to me in e-mail that would have embarrassed me if posted to the list, when it served no

Re: Netiquette

2007-09-20 Thread Charlie Bell
On 21/09/2007, at 6:52 AM, Dave Land wrote: Ad-hominem used incorrectly, leading to correction. Perhaps we would all do well to stick with English? It *is* English. It may be a Latin-rooted description, but many technical words are. Would you say that using scientific or legal

Re: Netiquette

2007-09-20 Thread Charlie Bell
On 21/09/2007, at 7:40 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: English is, after all, the lingua franca of the Internet. And, ipso facto, the sina qua non for this group. Semper fidelus, Nick Damn you! LOL Charlie Sultana Bran On My Keyboard Maru ___

Re: Netiquette

2007-09-20 Thread Charlie Bell
On 21/09/2007, at 7:49 AM, Dave Land wrote: Heck no. I appreciate the fact that people on this list want things said well, and words used correctly. Yep. Language is one of the defining characters of our species, and it's good to use it well. Better than my friend Allison's lorikeet

Re: Car free London?

2007-09-19 Thread Charlie Bell
On 18/09/2007, at 1:47 AM, Dan Minettte wrote: Calculations show that a car-free inner London scenario equates to a 49% reduction in emissions7. Because most London car trips are within outer London, changes in inner London boroughs alone were not found to be sufficient to meet the

Re: Netiquette

2007-09-19 Thread Charlie Bell
On 20/09/2007, at 3:58 AM, Dave Land wrote: I'm not sure what this means. I thought you wanted to discuss the ettiquette of online communication? Why do you have to repeatedly resort to these ad hominems? I sincerely apologize for this and other ad-hominem attacks that I have resorted

Re: Car free London?

2007-09-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/09/2007, at 1:06 PM, Dan Minettte wrote: Well, technically, the proposal doesn't force people to walk. There could be mass transit on each and every street, I suppose. It's just that any realistic implementation of the proposal would force people who are not capable of

Re: Car free London?

2007-09-17 Thread Charlie Bell
Never, ever post a private message to a mailing list. It is an unconscionable breach of netiquette. Oddly enough, I think that replying to an onlist post offlist is pretty poor netiquette. If you wish to berate someone for their behaviour onlist, do it onlist or not at all. It's called

Re: Car free London?

2007-09-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 18/09/2007, at 12:34 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Question: How much does a good bike (good for riding around London) cost? (Wondering how good a selling point this is; if it pays for itself in 2 years, that's a good deal, IMO.) I don't think this is the correct

Re: Car free London?

2007-09-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 18/09/2007, at 1:47 AM, Dan Minettte wrote: Finally, are you arguing that those people who do drive in greater London are just a bunch of idiots who could do much better if only they used public transportation instead? I'll answer the rest later as I'm just heading off to work, but

Re: Car free London?

2007-09-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 18/09/2007, at 12:27 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: Question: How much does a good bike (good for riding around London) cost? (Wondering how good a selling point this is; if it pays for itself in 2 years, that's a good deal, IMO.) Answer one - as much as you want to spend. OK, I'm

Re: Car free London?

2007-09-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 18/09/2007, at 12:19 AM, PAT MATHEWS wrote: I tried to re-acquire a bicycle and ride it and found I was no longer secure in my balance. You are the perfect candidate to discover the joys of triking. I have read story after story by people who rediscovered the joys of cycling

Re: Car free London?

2007-09-16 Thread Charlie Bell
On 16/09/2007, at 6:21 AM, Dan Minette wrote: Now, Charlie Rob and I do not live in London, so our experiences do not directly translate. No, but I did grow up in London, and used a bike pretty much exclusively there too. And it was likewise far quicker by bike there too, because I

Re: Car free London?

2007-09-14 Thread Charlie Bell
On 15/09/2007, at 6:01 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: What's mysterious about it? People take extra time to get into work, this costs. Time to work for me: Car: 40 mins Train: 40 mins Tram: 45 mins Bicycle: 25 mins. Charlie ___

Re: Lunar Eclipse Tuesday Morning

2007-08-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/08/2007, at 12:47 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Best view in the U.S. the further west you are. Details here: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/highlights/9282371.html Or right now in Oz. Red moon! Charlie My 5th Lunar Eclipse Maru

Re: Lunar Eclipse Tuesday Morning

2007-08-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/08/2007, at 8:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were you trying to say something, but were caught by the beauty of the eclipse? :-) Charlie In Melbourne Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Feeling a k'chu-non :-(

2007-08-28 Thread Charlie Bell
Urm... You're losing content somewhere in these posts. Charlie. On 28/08/2007, at 8:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___

Re: Feeling a k'chu-non :-(

2007-08-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/08/2007, at 10:49 PM, Jim Sharkey wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: You're losing content somewhere in these posts. Silly rabbit. Content-free posts are what we're best at around here. Sorry, I should have been more precise. Text-free posts is what I meant. Is it just me not seeing any

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