Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-21 Thread Doug Pensinger
Erik wrote: Anyone else want to make any competing predictions? This could be interesting... Interesting stuff, Erik, though I don't pretend to understand it completely. A few questions. In the late '70s oil prices spiked and the result was double digit inflation (one of the things that

The Begining of the End? (part 1)

2004-03-21 Thread Doug Pensinger
60 Minutes interview with Richard Clarke, one time top anti-terrorism advisor. 60 Minutes has two sources that told them independently of Clarke that the encounter described below happened, including an actual witness [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml] or

The Begining of the End? (part 2)

2004-03-21 Thread Doug Pensinger
60 Minutes interview with Richard Clarke, one time top anti-terrorism advisor. [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml] or http://tinyurl.com/yq9ax Clarke was the president's chief adviser on terrorism, yet it wasn't until Sept. 11 that he ever got to brief Mr.

Re: Contest: Help improve on ReptiliKlan, etc

2004-03-21 Thread Doug Pensinger
Warning of implied x rated content. If youi are under 18, or highly sensitive to obscenities, implied or otherwise, close your eyes before reading this email. If you are over 18, you may proceed. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * David wrote: Not a winner this time. Try

Re: Contest: Help improve on ReptiliKlan, etc

2004-03-21 Thread Doug Pensinger
David wrote: O.K., getting better. I give it 10 (out of 10) for denigration, 9 for euphony (unless you want Lie to have a schwa in it) No schwa. Schwashtica, maybe, but no schwa. and 10 for relevance. But I have to ding it two points for obscenity. Still, 27 is a good score. What, no points

Re: Contest: Help improve on ReptiliKlan, etc

2004-03-21 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:58:11 -0500, David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you just tied ReptiliKlan. I still don't see how Repulsive ties in with just the Republican party. I mean, have you LOOKED at Ted Kennedy recently? : ) Kenedocrats? Demblobocrats? -- Doug

Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE

2004-03-20 Thread Doug Pensinger
Travis wrote: Don't feel bad. Just believe it's big, and then it's not a lie. THEN...when you tell everyone how big it is, it's true. Does that make any sense? As long as you don't set off the metal detectors... -- Doug ___

Ex-Bush aide: Iraq war planning began after 9/11

2004-03-20 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/03/20/clarke.cbs/ Clarke, who headed a cyber-security office at the White House until the office was transferred to the newly created Homeland Security Department in February 2003, told CBS that Rumsfeld suggested retaliating against Iraq immediately after the

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-18 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia wrote: What the government of S.A. does and what its people would like it to do are not necessarily the same thing. This could be said of many governments. That's true, but if you took the S.A. governments POV the houseguest analogy wouldn't even apply. -- Doug

Link Between Taxation, Unemployment Is Absent

2004-03-18 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58658-2004Mar14.html or http://tinyurl.com/25xuh It has become conventional wisdom in Washington that rising tax burdens crush labor markets. Bush castigated his political opponents last week for that old policy of tax and spend that would be the

Re: Rumsfeld caught lying on Face the Nation

2004-03-18 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jeffrey wrote: Its hard to believe that this is a lie.I don't think that Rumsfeld would so forcibly deny using the words immediate threat if he had recalled using them. A far more likely explanation is that he confused the phrase immediate threat with imminent threat. Believe it or not, I

Re: New Pentagon Papers Author

2004-03-18 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: No matter how much you try, Doug, the President was President during 9/11, he did respond to it, and it _is_ a political issue. He deserves to be reelected precisely because of that response. He needs to be sent packing because he's fighting the wrong war on the wrong people and

Re: Rumsfeld caught lying on Face the Nation

2004-03-18 Thread Doug Pensinger
Tom wrote: A sad thing is, it really is important to take Saddam out. I don't think it should have been priority one. I think our top priority should have been coalition building and the creation of a cooperative network to root out and destroy terrorism. I think if we had done this while

U.S. Official Says Spanish Government 'Mishandled' Reports on Bombing

2004-03-18 Thread Doug Pensinger
U.S. Official Says Spanish Government 'Mishandled' Reports on Bombing By DAVID E. SANGER and DAVID JOHNSTON Published: March 18, 2004 WASHINGTON, March 17 The Bush administration said Wednesday for the first time that the Spanish government had mishandled early information about the Madrid

Poland 'Misled' on Iraq, President Says

2004-03-18 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://tinyurl.com/2kkfl WARSAW, Poland - Poland, which has about 2,400 troops in Iraq, was misled about the threat from Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s weapons of mass destruction, its president said Thursday. The remarks by President Aleksander Kwasniewski were his first hint of such

Carnegie Report: Intelligence on Iraq

2004-03-18 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/npp/resources/iraqintell/home.htm#press or http://tinyurl.com/2ynec This is an excerpt from one of the PDFs at the site - Key Findings and Summary of Reccomendations. Administration officials systematically misrepresented the threat from Iraqs WMD and ballistic

Rumsfeld caught lying on Face the Nation

2004-03-17 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://tinyurl.com/yvkmw The most vivid display of the Administration's widening credibility gap came when CBS's Bob Schieffer asked Rumsfeld If Iraq did not have WMD, why did they pose an immediate threat to this country? Rumsfeld retorted, You and a few other critics are the only people I've

Re: New Pentagon Papers Author

2004-03-17 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:49:03 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do know who Alex Castellanos is, and the bureaucRATS thing is a proof of how desperate you are to find something. Because, of course, that whole thing was made up - a fictional tempest in a teapot over a

Re: New Pentagon Papers Author

2004-03-17 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:22:36 -0500, John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:49 AM 3/16/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: I want a cite on Bush's ads, since I don't think he's ran any that say that, and I generally know what his ads say - and it should be a better cite than Salon Magazine.

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-17 Thread Doug Pensinger
Travis wrote: Being a proud Canadian, I take offense to that Doug. We are STILL (not WAS) one of your staunchest allies. Nothing has changed in that respect. And I challenge you to prove me wrong. As a side note, I would be interested in hearing some American thoughts on the Canada-USA

Re: [ADMIN] Call for administrative action

2004-03-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
Nick wrote: I'm not suggesting that this will put this issue to rest, but I think it's a good first response to list-unrest. It's like the swear words that people find offensive; the bigger the deal you make of them, the bigger the deal they actually are. -- Doug Off to the high desert for a

Re: New Pentagon Papers Author

2004-03-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: No, I'm sure Doug didn't know. No I didn't know. If she is an anti-Semite, then I'm sorry I posted the article and will view articles from Salon with skepticism in the future. Salon is defending her here: http://www.salon.com/letters/editor/2004/03/15/smear/ Kwiatkowski's

Re: Blix Writes a Book

2004-03-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
...and does an interview: http://tinyurl.com/2me3y (NY Times I think they had a set mind, Mr. Blix said on NBC's Today show as he began a 10-day American book tour in the week marking the first year anniversary of the United States-led invasion. They wanted to come to the conclusion that there

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: Incredible, Al Qaeda attacks Spain just three days before the election, and suddenly the voters plump for the opposition I wouldn't place all the blame (for the election results) on the terrorists - or is my recollection that there was little popular support for the Spanish

Re: The Dangers of Buy American

2004-03-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:57:53 -0500, John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One poorly stood conclusion of economics is that Buy American campaigns (or as Doug recently suggested, Loyalty Polcies) are actually highly counterproductive. Read my posts again, John. I never argued for buy American

Re: The Dangers of Buy American

2004-03-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 08:08:37 -0500, John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:21 AM 3/13/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: One poorly stood conclusion of economics is that Buy American campaigns (or as Doug recently suggested, Loyalty Polcies) are actually highly counterproductive. Read my

Re: Request for Admin Action (Was: Re: Fascist Censorshipspreadinglike Cancer)

2004-03-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Richard wrote: There's also the killfile, which is even more effective and requires even less effort. This is the key. If you're offended by him, plonk him. That said I'd like to point out that personal attacks rarely if ever win debating points. IMO you weaken your position considerably by

Re: The Dangers of Buy American

2004-03-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:29:13 -0500, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 05:12:39PM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote: We were discussing the relationship between employers and employees. Why is employer loyalty essentially buy American? The implication of your statement

Re: The Dangers of Buy American

2004-03-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 06:16:55PM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote: Then I was unclear. Basically all I really meant is that if someone lends you a helping hand it would be nice if you didn't turn around and kick them in the balls for their trouble. What constitutes kick them

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:48:43 +, Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug said: I never said, by the way, that I favored tariffs or trade restrictions except in consideration of environmental factors and labor practices. How about to preserve strategically important industries in the US?

Re: No Scientific Evidence on Gay Parenting

2004-03-12 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: http://slate.msn.com/id/2097048/ And the conclusion: But wait: All the evidenceas both sides acknowledgeis seriously flawed and doesn't begin to supply anything like solid support for either the hopes of gay family harmony or the fears about scarred children and skewed parenting.

Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

2004-03-11 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: If NPR's _only_ public funding was from federal grants that it won competitively, that would be fine. But it doesn't - it gets special allocations and special privileges that aren't on the open market. It competes not through bidding, but through the political process - through

Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

2004-03-11 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: Doug wrote: What competition is there for a _grant_? How much competition was there for the Iraq contract(s)? Plenty. You ever tried to apply for one? It's not easy, and it's not fun. As for the Iraq contracts, the contracts were in fact open for bidding. In fact a few years

Re: Request to Everyone.

2004-03-11 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG: shot. ;-) hws ths? -- Doug smart alek 8^) by the way, I agree... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

The New Pentagon Papers (L3)

2004-03-11 Thread Doug Pensinger
Salon.com has just broken a major story detailing how the Pentagon created a special office to manipulate intelligence data on Iraq and WMDs. It's written by Karen Kwiatkowski, a military offer who was part of this unit, telling us the inside story in her own words. This is the conclusion to

Re: America, land of the Ashcroft-haters

2004-03-10 Thread Doug Pensinger
Tom Beck wrote: Anyone who would wish Ashcroft personally ill is a jerk. I can't stand the job he's done as AG, but I bear him no ill will as a human being. I agree, and I wish him well, but I still think the Bill Maher line is pretty funny. -- Doug

Re: LIBERAL TALKRADIO NETWORK TO LAUNCH MARCH 31

2004-03-10 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: Actually, it sounds like both of our honest opinions reflect a consensus on the likelihood of it succeeding. I think the time is ripe, actually. I'll be checking it out... -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-07 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: Nevertheless, if by loyalty you mean keeping their goods and services more expensive than those of their competitors, I think that it is very unreasonable to expect that of anybody. Exactly. That's one of the reasons why an unrestricted free market is an unhealthy system, IMO. We

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-07 Thread Doug Pensinger
Erik wrote: On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 10:39:31AM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote: Exactly. That's one of the reasons why an unrestricted free market is an unhealthy system, IMO. We value loyalty but the free market doesn't. No, you apparently value loyalty highly, and some others do. Still others

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-07 Thread Doug Pensinger
Erik wrote: Then the company officers and/or directors are disloyal to their owners/shareholders. Since owners/shareholders benefit from a government that nurtures their industry and from dedicated employees, differentiating them from company officers and/or directors is disingenuous. -- Doug

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-07 Thread Doug Pensinger
Erik wrote: No, but the concept of loyalty here is naive and simplistic. In fact, I think there is a level of complexity here that is extremely difficult to deal with. I never said, by the way, that I favored tariffs or trade restrictions except in consideration of environmental factors and

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-07 Thread Doug Pensinger
Erik wrote: Then what did you mean by: Exactly. That's one of the reasons why an unrestricted free market is an unhealthy system, IMO. We value loyalty but the free market doesn't. It seems you are saying that restrictions are needed to make a free market system healthy with respect to

Re: Gas Prices

2004-03-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:08:20 -0600, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much are you paying in your part of the country? $1.56 or so down the street from me, but the picture on drudge that linked to the article below shows $2.28. Yikes, that is high http://tinyurl.com/yv6pj

Re: Gas Prices

2004-03-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gary Nunn wrote: $2.15 for regular here and predicted to hit $3 this summer. Doug Where are you at Doug? Prices here in Central Ohio are $1.79. They did their typical Thursday morning price jump. S.F. bay area, Ca. -- Doug ___

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: Here is an article with the data, and an interesting discussion of this topic: http://www.economist.com/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=2446951 So, is this a solicitation or were you going to lend us your password? 8^) -- Doug ___

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: My data is taken from an enclosed graph, which I will happily send to anyone who asks for it. And in a way, I guess this is a soliciation, as in my mind _The Economist_ is head and shoulders above any other news magazine out there. So how do you answer the critisizm leveled in the

Re: Gas Prices

2004-03-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
Debbi wrote: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert Seeberger wrote: How much are you paying in your part of the country? $1.56 or so down the street from me, but the picture on drudge that linked to the article below shows $2.28. Yikes

Re: Shrub avoids attacking suspected terrorist mastermind 3 times

2004-03-05 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: It is positive to see that The Fool's opposition to the War in Iraq is now based on the fact that we did not attack Iraq soon enough. Glad to see that you are on board. The fact that the terrorist camp was in Iraq was incidental. One can be against the invasion of Iraq (in

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-05 Thread Doug Pensinger
I'm for free trade as long as the environment and labor practices are taken into account (I agree with most of what Erik had to say). However, I do agree somewhat with Jan that U.S. corporations should have some loyalty to the country that fostered them and the workers that helped make them

OSC

2004-03-05 Thread Doug Pensinger
Deborah wrote: Debbi Feeling Quarrelsome Today Maru :-/ You know what I find particularly interesting about OSC's paranoid rant is when you juxtapose it with the message behind Ender's game - didn't Ender and his boys wipe out an entire race after being attacked by them and then find out that

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-05 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jan wrote: But they are not taking relativly well paid positions. They are taking slave wages. What could possibly be right about that? And don't start telling me how bad off their countries economy is, becouse that is their issue. If their society could support it's own companies without

Bush's Economic Indicator: 2 New Jobs

2004-03-05 Thread Doug Pensinger
Just found the title amusing... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31587-2004Mar4.html or http://tinyurl.com/ytu6x Prompted by the president, chassis-maker Les DenHerder said the tax cuts Bush backed might allow him to hire two or three more people. When he says he's going to

Re: Tyranny

2004-02-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: I haven't had the time to go through all 1,049 marital benefits provided by The Fool, but I did mention that two key ones would be: 1) Reservation of the name marriage for heterosexual unions 2) Marriages having a preference, ceteris paribis, for unconnected adoptions of children.

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-02-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia wrote: Dan Minette wrote: Its true that you can find some historian on any side of an issue. That doesn't mean that there is not a good way to determine what is likely, unlikely, and very very unlikely. For example, its quite unlikely that the Civil War was fought over states rights.

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:04:30 -0500 (EST), Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: If Erik is a pig, he's Some Pig! I'd even argue he's Terrific! Jim That was an easy one Maru Aye, not much of a tangled web... -- Doug ___

Re: Federal Marriage Amendment

2004-02-28 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn! wrote: So many possible smart-aleck responses come to mind that I cannot decide on the one I like best, so I will respond by simply quoting the above-cited second amendment: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and

Re: Tyranny

2004-02-28 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: Au contraire, I very much have a live and let live attitude about this. I have no problem with the Unitarian Universalist Church marrying homosexual couples, and those couples living happily ever after. I do have a problem when my government starts incentivizing those unions by

Re: Earth almost put on impact alert

2004-02-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn! wrote: Just as a matter of interest, who is it who decides how things should be proceeding? I believe that would be me, and for a small monthly subscription I can keep you up to date. -- Doug 8^) ___

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Bryon wrote: I believe these legal rights and standings aren't provided by the government to reward baby production, or even as a reward at all, but because the government is recognizing that marriage joins two people together as next of kin for all legal intents and purposes. We get a

Federal Marriage Amendment

2004-02-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Culled from the MCMedia archive as my email program seems to be eating old messages in my brin-l folder. JDG wrote: As I have hinted earlier, if I were forced to cast a vote, I would vote in favor of the Federal Marriage Amendment. This is despite the fact, as noted earlier, that I don't

Re: Hooray for Zoidberg!

2004-02-26 Thread Doug Pensinger
Kevin wrote: I'm not as happy as I was at noon, but feel like sharing. I finally got my raise to the next job classification, 18 months after I was recommended. The fact that I'm doing the same work as someone two levels above me, one now, has been rewarded. Congrats, Kevin, sounds like you've

re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica

2004-02-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
Rob wrote: You forgot Yes, Genesis, Yes, Queen, Yes, Golden Earring, Yes, Supertramp, Yes, 10CC, Yes, David Bowie, Yes, Rush, Yes, Aerosmith, Yes, Kiss, Yes, Steve Miller, Yes, Chicago, Yes, Thin Lizzy, Yes, Edgar Winter, Yes, Jonny Winter, Yes, Bad Company, Yes, Foghat, Yes, Foreigner, Yes,

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn! wrote: So anybody who thinks SSM is not a good idea for any reason is homophobic by your definition? Not if they can come up with a rational reason for opposing it. On the list, JDG had some well thought out reasons, but they were based on conjecture as far as I can tell. I don't

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jan wrote: Just out of curoiosity Doug, what opinion do you hold on marriages envolving more than one person? I don't know that I've formed a solid opinion, to be perfectly dishonest. 8^) Certainly any kind of marital relationship has to respect the rights of all those involved. As long as

Re: Constitutional Amendment Question

2004-02-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: We certainly shouldn't be amending the oldest governing document in history, the blueprint of the most successful government in the entire history of the human race, ovr this issue. Well said, Gautam. But I didn't know Rehnquist was so poorly thought of. Where can I read

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: --- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:18 PM 2/23/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: But, and correct me if I am wrong here, aren't the three branches of the FedGov supposed to be relatively equal in overall power? U... No.That was never envisioned at all by

Re: Tyranny

2004-02-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
David wrote: Oh. I thought it was to change the law, just in case it was decided that the next clause: nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. meant that gays had a right to marry too. Damn, beat me by four minutes and fourty-seven seconds... Who

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: I wouldn't describe it as conjecture. If you feel that one of my assumptions was false, I think that I can fairly convincingly prove them. I'd like to see that as I'm not sure any of your reasons are unequivocal. I know that you promised a response to both of my posts of that

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: Indeed, while there are many pro-lifers having six children, there are plenty of pro-choicers having childless marriages, or two children max. Eventually, I expect that the pro-choicers will be outpopulated. Sounds like wishfull thinking to me. Whether the young people of Generation

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-23 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: At 01:14 PM 2/19/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: Why not civil rights, it started the same way. Indeed, the initial data supports that. I certainly was aware of the Impeach Earl Warren Movement when I made my post, and I certainly don't mean to imply that there is a single difference

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-23 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia wrote: I think he's arguing it on a courts vs. legislatures standpoint. Looking *just* at how court rulings went and how legislation was written, which is it paralleling better at present? I know. My point is that unlike the anti-choice crowd, the homophobic crowd will dissipate over the

Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica

2004-02-23 Thread Doug Pensinger
Robert wrote: Or even UFO, The Runaways, Ten Years After, Robin Trower, Hey Rob, I've got BLT (on now), Truce, Bridge of Sighs and Go My Way. I like them all, but I especially like the last two. Can you recomend others? -- Doug ___

Re: Politics and Motivations

2004-02-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: Similarly with the WMD thing. I don't think the Bush Administration relied upon WMDs because they were contemptuous of the American public. They did because they provided a clear and unmistakeable justification _in front of the UN_. And they were forced to go to the UN by people

Re: Definition of a Christian Fundamentalist

2004-02-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
Sheesh, you people must not have enough to do. Wish I had had the day off today. 8^) I wanted to thank Gautam and John for their replies and assure them that I will answer them as soon as I find the time and energy - I worked a long day today. And I wanted to thank Byron for stirring things

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jim wrote: But the idea of calling it marriage does make me uncomfortable on some vague level I can't really explain. Product of my environment, I suppose. I know the feeling, I used to feel that way. But after going over the feeling again and again in my head and being unable to come up

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: =-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the word marriage that appears to have some mystical, totemic meaning for some lamebrained lazyminded easily stampeded credulous dolts (i.e., most of the American public). Gee, Tom, and to think that sometimes I wonder why I'm a conservative. But I

(no subject)

2004-02-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: Done with it? I certainly didn't _start_ it. Not only did you start it, but that between the two of us, you're the only one that has engaged in it. But more characteristic? Certainly. That sort of arrogant contempt for most Americans is far less common among conservatives.

Re: (no subject)

2004-02-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
Sorry about the lack of a subject line. My email bombed on me and I had to copy the text from a backup and I forgot to title it. 8^P -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: That's only because the responses have been flying too fast for me to collect my thoughts on the subject. Well don't keep us in the dark - I'd very much like to refu... I mean _hear_ your side of the arguement. 8^) That, and the fact that Shrek is on TV tonight :-) Good movie,

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
Bryon wrote: I've seen an article saying that hundreds of gay couples lined up to be married. I had assumed they would be automatically invalidated, though - I hadn't realized, that it would require a court decision to nullify them. Well, that's what I've read anyway. Some good insight here:

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
Bryon wrote: Putting my concerns that the road to nationwide acceptance will be a rocky one aside, it's fun to think that barring some last-minute legal maneuvering, Massachusetts is likely to become the wedding capital of the US starting in May, when gay marriages are legalized here. (I'm

Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish?

2004-02-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:17:52 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/12/2004 10:43:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No I didn't, Jan wrote this stuff. Also, to understand ones disfavor one must put it in historical context. In the 17 1800s there was much disdane

Re: Win Source Code

2004-02-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Robertwrote: /* Source Code Windows 2000 */ ROTFL!! Thanks for that, Rob, where did it come from? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish?

2004-02-12 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jan wrote: Also, to understand ones disfavor one must put it in historical context. In the 17 1800s there was much disdane for Jewish comunities becouse they did something specific that was considered at the time to be immoral. They lent or barrowed money for intrest. Now we do not think

Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish?

2004-02-12 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: There is a saying in Christianity that no one has faith like a convert. People who use to be X, but are now Y are often the strongest in condemming those who are still X. I don't think this is just a Christian phenomenon. Ha. Like ex-smokers. -- Doug Smoke free for ~15 years. 8^)

Re: another item

2004-02-12 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:05:10 -0800, d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks. Thought I'd share this. http://www.maconareaonline.com/news.asp?id=5831 In fact, I do not blame W. How could I. He was probably not involved in this decision, since the 9/11 attacks disrupted the longest idle US

Re: Anatomy of a rape culture

2004-02-12 Thread Doug Pensinger
The Fool wrote: It's wrong, wrong, wrong. It's Bad Netiquette. etc. etc. But you know, Fool, its not as if he led his country into war under false pretenses. 8^) Next time, how a bout a friendly, off list message letting him know what he's doing wrong and why. -- Doug

Re: Voodoo Economics

2004-02-10 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: If I _wanted_ to debate with fanatics, there are probably more interesting places to do it. After my last experience, though, political debate on Brin-L strikes me as a singular waste of my time right now. Ah, more name calling. 8^) It's interesting that while my arguments

Re: Voodoo Economics

2004-02-09 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: John wrote: Its funny, but you sound just like Republicans did in 1992. Or the Democrats in 1928? JDG - Just reverse a few key terms. ,ideas and circumstances. Or like Karl Marx, actually. Enhancing the contradictions, isn't that what the Marxists called it? :-) Been a long

Re: Voodoo Economics

2004-02-08 Thread Doug Pensinger
Erik wrote: However, America must bear much of the blame for its failure to do anything to curb household and government borrowing and so boost saving. Its easy monetary and fiscal policies are now beginning to look reckless. The dollar's slide has rightly shifted some of the burden of economic

Re: Professionals, Educated being Decimated in Iraq

2004-02-07 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: So, you've demonstrated that some rather despicable people are trying to stop the transformation of Iraq into a better place to live. Are you now arguing for the administrations position? I think he's pointing out, as you did prior to the invasion, that Iraq isn't going to be an easy

Re: Professionals, Educated being Decimated in Iraq

2004-02-07 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: I guess it was the post-script about the evils of the Bush administration that triggered my ironic sense. Since I've never called the Bush administration evil, I can just differ with them on the practicality of regime change; not the morality of it. The Fool's posting of this article

Re: Reviews for Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ

2004-02-06 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: Nevertheless, my question remains: Does anyone find it to be a positive development that certain interests succeeded in pulling that quote from the movie? If the New Testament were a historical document and the modifications had the effect of actually modifying history, then I would

Re: TiVo privacy

2004-02-04 Thread Doug Pensinger
So are there any digital video recorders that don't require being hooked up to the phone and a subscription? Seems like someone would be making a killing on that kind of thing. Oh, and if you've got satelite TV, you're hooked up to the phone too. Doug

W's of Mass Deception

2004-02-01 Thread Doug Pensinger
Video of Bush pushing the war. http://www.moveon.org/false/video/ -- Doug Anybody but Bush, '04 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

No Child's Behind Left

2004-02-01 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43173-2004Jan23.html?nav=hptop_tb Va. Seeks To Leave Bush Law Behind Republicans Fight School Mandates RICHMOND, Jan. 23 -- The Republican-controlled Virginia House of Delegates sharply criticized President Bush's signature education program

Re: SCOUTED: Houston

2004-01-31 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn! wrote: Here's another opinion: http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/comment/story.html?id=d8f662bb-b354-4e05-9dfe-f2f9117f96fd Adds for prostitution? Pornogrification? Someone want to explain the last paragraph to me? This weekend's Super Bowl halftime show will be a salute

Re: christianism is evil, why it must be eradicated

2004-01-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan Minette wrote: FWIW, I just saw a census article that stated that there is now a net outflux of Americans from California. The rise in the California population is due to the difference in the birth and death rate and immigration from outside of the country. _Now_ there is, after so many

Re: new wonder drug scours arteries clean

2004-01-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia Thompson wrote: Maybe the US government should be involved in drug research, then? Because either a corporation is doing the research or the government is. (If there's another alternative I'm overlooking, please mention it.) How about a system of government sponsored awards based on the

Re: Continuing Education

2004-01-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:57:26 -0600, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.csi.edu/ip/ce/yesology/ The power of devotion.G I wouldn't be touting Owner of a Lonely Heart as a product of arguably the most talented rock band of all time, but that's just me... -- Doug

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