killed more
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carefully tried to erase from our historical memory.
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I note also that, according to this article, human
being are, at best, the _third_ smartest primate. I agree.
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:18:35 -0700 (PDT), Gautam
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Note that Dan
and I, for example, despite different
positions
on the
war, have consistently acknowledged that going
to war
has costs. What's striking is the asymmetry
when you send him hour
grammar textbooks saying otherwise? It's just a
ridiculous argument, and I'm tired of it, and I tend
to get frustrated when I hear it, over and over and
over again.
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is too important to do it
because it makes people feel good. If you can do good
in the world, you should. But it's not the first or
most important thing that a state does in foreign policy.
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I think that's a ridiculous position, but it is,
in
fact, a position. But if you're saying oil or
economic interests as if it was an accusation.
It's not.
Ah, I was not being clear: if one states
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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You are
twisting his statement into an excuse for inaction
-
we do not know God's will, so we must do nothing.
Are you willing to stop saying that, since it's not
true?
Well, Nick
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Lincoln's last great speech, and the one that
seems to have best
expressed his intentions, says it best - With
malice towards none,
with
charity for all, _with firmess in the right as God
gives
that
sometimes the best he could meant warfare of
unimaginable horror. Lincoln contained multitudes,
but none of those multitudes can plausibly be enlisted
in an argument that we should sit on our hands in the
face of great evil.
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was on the targeting team for
Kosovo and says that we were attacking everything we
could think of within about 48 hours after the first
raids, because we had pretty much destroyed all of
Serbia's purely military assets by that point, and we
had to do something.
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... virtually no one
thought that inspections were working _before_ the
war.
No one? No one? What is your definition of
working here? Certainly no one
saw Saddam stepping
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Substantial long-term support for the internal
opposition
to Hussein would have been a third say: neither
going to
war nor leaving him in power. At the very least,
we
would have avoided being seen
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What you are talking about is a slow
and uncertain process.
Compared to what? The speedy and certain process
underway in Iraq???
Nick
Relative to the two hundred year fall
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I was talking about him immediately stepping down
or
cooperating with the
inspections. I find it hard to have a conversation
when the subject changes
so abruptly.
Then _stop changing
took power by
assasinating his predecessor. That's a big difference.
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And how did that come to pass? Because the white
minority *led* the nation to
end apartheid? Or was it the leadership of Nelson
Mandela, Desmond Tutu and
the countless crowds who
, in American Political
Science Review, 92, March 1998
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things for many
reasons, and WMD were only one of the many reasons we
invaded Iraq. What will you do if this works?
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affairs better and understand that wars are not _just_
decided by who has the bigger economy. Those who
don't look at military stuff tend, in my opinion
(Damon, for example, may disagree) to vastly underrate
the role of contingency in military outcomes.
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Are you saying that Warren been trying to
prevent
democracy in Iraq?
Functionally, yes.
What does that mean?
It means
, leaving Iraq
as a totalitarian dictatorship for an indefinite, but
probably multi-generational, time in the future, or
invading. Hope is not a method, as Dan occasionally
tells JDG, and (in international affairs) wishing is
not a policy, either.
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conclusion, aren't you? South Africa. India.
Neither of which are even vaguely similar situations.
He's not arguing from his conclusion, he's arguing
from reality.
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what I was saying
and intrude for no good reason, either.
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attempt to make me look as if I'm attacking everyone's
favorite list member. Otherwise, feel free to jump
in. We all know how opinions that differ from today's
orthodoxy are treated here, so why should today be any different?
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it's _their_ fault?
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because...I'm sure you'll explain it to me, Martin.
What's (hypothetical, and vastly overstated) thinning
of birds' egg shells compared to a few hundred
thousand Africans and Asians every year?
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could to
stop it from happening_? Who, in that equation, will
have been looking out for poor, brown people who are
far away?
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that makes sense.
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Saddam (and since I'm quite
confident that more intelligent discussion would end
up on my side of the fence on most issues, I'm all in
favor of it) but I don't think it would have helped
the people being dropped feet-first into shredding machines.
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Brady should, say, give me at least a
1% cut of his groupies out of gratitude - I'd be happy
to take one for the team on his behalf :-)
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article on him:
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Management Fellow - one of the most prestigious
appointments in the civil service. Congratulations
John!
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Which means what? Takwe pity on those of us who
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just amusing - to be called blinkered by the
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Lots of stuff about Nariyah
She didn't see it. It doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Dave is a good orthodox leftist and an apologist for
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they did happen.
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I'm sorry, are you seriously trying to make this moral
equivalence here? I'm going to assume it was some
sort of a misstatement.
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And it's another damned straw man, given that Saddam
Hussein is in no
position to acquire weapons.
Nick
Not _anymore_ anyways, thanks to the war you opposed.
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with Richard Holbrooke, Counsel to the
President (NY: Random House, 1991), pp. 612-614.
The best diplomatic history of the war is _America's
Longest War_ by Herring, which has a solid,
middle-of-the-road perspective.
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history right, you might try not being snotty about
pretty sophisticated questions. You might even try
learning about them, instead of lecturing on them.
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% in the popular vote - then there's a high
presumption that they're doing it for what they
consider very strong reasons, because it's very rare
for a politician to do something like that.
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Unless you want to elevate balancing against the
United States to the same moral level as defeating
Communism, how is opposing democracy in the Ukraine in
any way comparable?
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Arabs, or Asians, or even Eastern Europe - that
they're either ambivalent towards, or opposed to.
There's a consistency to this position, but not a morality.
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Yes, interpretation of historical events is at least
partly objective.
Given that I can see how some things that might be
clear to me may not
be to others.
Or, alternately, why things you think
famously said about preventive
war, to commit suicide for fear of death.
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. If popularity is a key
criterion for you, why not advocate that? That's an
easy win for us.
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Realist. But there were no good answers to some of
the questions.
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Yes, that is usually part of the definition of foreign
policy. Anyone who _knows_ what to do about Iran or
North Korea is either lying or a fool.
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the problem.
Doug
I have many basic ideas about how I would approach the
problem. Doesn't mean that any of them will work.
The best case scenario might well be just limiting the
damage - there may be no solution to the problem.
That's why foreign policy is hard.
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50.1% of the
vote since 1964 (and even that only once).
Republicans have done it _six times_ in that same
period (1968, 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988, 2004). To me
this is the worst statistic of all for the party.
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was doing it.
The historical perspective on Eisenhower has changed
_radically_ over the last 10-20 years because of these
sorts of revelatons.
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are the ones who supported the
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for the last few Cabinets.
Sorry about that.
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health-destroying jobs. Doing them for four years is
an herculean effort. Doing them for longer than that
is virtually impossible.
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Damon.
Traditionally every Cabinet member has submitted their
resignation at the end of the term, and then waited to
be rehired if they wanted it. There was even an
episode of the West Wing about it, amusingly enough.
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President Bush has
also done - visited the hospitals of the wounded on
many occasions.
I'm not even going to bother with responding to a
quote from the Daily Mirror. Pat Buchanan, the
anti-American semi-socialists of the left - the
company you're keeping is getting pretty rank, David.
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is the only reason I have forgiven ABC
for canceling _Sports Night_, which remains one of the
best television series ever.
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overwhelmingly for Kerry.
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Oh, and any dope who thinks Kansas and Nebraska
were
nice sleepy
little free states oughta learn to spell a few
little words like
Q-U-A-N-T-R-E-L-L and then JOHN BROWN.
(Now start with a Q...good
Wait, why don't _I_ meet women like that? :-)
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. The margin of
error refers to the chance that the mean of a
statistical sample of a population differs from the
true mean of a population. But an election is not a
sample. An election is an enumeration of the entire
universe - all votes.
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season.
Details please? I don't get TV guide, but do like
Lost, although it's no Alias.
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Well, so did you.
Hmmm...the great neocon conspiracy has longer
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in
this election - it's not exactly surprising that the
exit polls would miss it.
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being reported on. Dismissals of the
report's methodology are all over the web. It's a
joke. It's only plausible if you really, really want
to believe that American soldiers are genocidal mass murderers.
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It's only plausible if you really, really
want
to believe that American soldiers are genocidal mass
murderers.
Note - this is not fair, and not at all what I should
have said. I take it back. It seems clear to me that
the _authors of the study_
was not gay.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
-- with apologies to Martin Niemöller
Well, I was worried that the Democratic Party wouldn't
be able to figure out a way to lose the _next_
election. I see that was ill-founded.
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At 07:50 PM 11/8/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
So, apropos of our recent discussion, John Perry
Barlow, a very smart guy, just cited the 100,000
dead
Iraqi casualty figure as if it were true.
Apparently
no one has shown him the falsification yet. It's
them, but not the later Republicans.
Anecdotally, that's what happened in Cambridge, where
I was working the polls on election day and turnout
was extremely low because (according to my candidate,
who had been there the whole day) there had been a
huge rush of people in the morning.
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, so I can't get a quote for you, but I've
seen exactly the same thing in histories and heard
exactly the same thing from primary sources.
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What if they were an invasion by Mexico from the
South
and Canada from the North? :-)
Alberto Monteiro
Then, to paraphrase Bismarck, the President would call
out the police and have them arrested :-)
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be in the process of making a
similar mistake in Fallujah. Only events can tell us
one way or the other. The American military has a
remarkable capacity for institutional learning, and it
surely is going to try to prevent exactly that from
happening. It may succeed, it may not.
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is going
to have advanced an enormous amount by 2015 - the gap,
if I had to guess, will probably be _larger_, not
smaller, than it is today.
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. I don't ask Dan to cite the paper that
describes the double-slit experiment every time he
talks about it for the same reason. If (as both Dan
and Erik have done on more than one occasion) you can
come up with evidence that my memory is wrong, I'm
happy to hear about it.
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the most hotly-disputed
election is because they feel that neither is
sufficiently radical or whatever, but you need more to
do that than just saying you think that is the case.
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. But the base rate of by
generation voter turnout does vary, which is why I
think the data actually supports the model I was
trying (not very well, apparently) to express perfectly.
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