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Subject: RE: U.S. health care
Well, it would put the small pharm out of business too. And, then, who
would develop
At 01:02 PM Wednesday 7/18/2007, Dan Minette wrote:
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'm not sure you have an adequate
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:53 PM
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'm not sure you have an adequate picture of the US system and how it
works
At 10:53 PM Friday 7/13/2007, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 14/07/2007, at 4:04 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
That assumes you keep providing care the way you do.
Increase preventative medicine and primary nursing, and you reduce
other healthcare threefold.
How?
...because hospital stays
At 05:14 PM Friday 7/13/2007, Dan Minette wrote:
dan, i'm confused i realize that it doesn't work that way in other
countries, but are you defending the way it works in america, or
denying that lobbies have enormous influence in congress?
Lobbies do have an influence in Congress, and
On 13 Jul 2007, at 04:01, Dan Minette wrote:
Governments could step in, but in countries with price
controls/negotiations...they haven't. Instead, they rely on the US
providing the profits that pay for innovation, then negotiate a
price for
themselves. It's not rock bottom, but that's
On 13/07/2007, at 1:01 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
of GDP. If everyone were to get the care available to those with
the very
best insurance policiesthen it would probably jump to 20% or
so...immediately (That assumes that the health care denied by
reasons of
costs represents only a
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it that is the dynamic, dan, then anerica is sunsidizing the rest of
the world, which would
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That assumes you keep providing care the way you do.
Increase preventative medicine
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:23 PM
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Subject: U.S. health care
if that is the dynamic, dan, then anerica is subsidizing the rest of
the world, which would
dan, i'm confused i realize that it doesn't work that way in other
countries, but are you defending the way it works in america, or
denying that lobbies have enormous influence in congress?
Lobbies do have an influence in Congress, and changes that they oppose are
often beneficial. However,
Lobbies do have an influence in Congress, and changes that they oppose are
often beneficial. However, getting rid of the lobbies does not get rid of
the fundamentals of the problem. If you take the profitability out of
drug
development by private companies, you will stop private drug
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dan, are you certain only 15% of americans lack health care coverage?
The number's I've seen
On 14/07/2007, at 4:04 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
That assumes you keep providing care the way you do.
Increase preventative medicine and primary nursing, and you reduce
other healthcare threefold.
How?
...because hospital stays reduce and recovery times increase. Good
prevention and
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Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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SImply put
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[not sure who wrote]
SImply put, the weakest area of the American
health system is
preventative care. Poorer people with chronic
conditions can end up
with repeated emergency hospital treatment for
conditions which are
manageable with drugs which,
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 10:21 AM Wednesday 5/23/2007, Dan Minette wrote:
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Why do we behave
Dan Minette wrote:
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You don't think there's a place for simple stories in the political
At 08:44 PM Friday 5/25/2007, Robert Seeberger wrote:
I've worked in a few hospitals here in Houston and everyone of them is
undergoing large expansions. One is left to wonder who is paying for
all this construction if not the end customers. In every hospital I
have worked in, doctors are daily
Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
On 5/30/07, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
--
Mauro Diotallevi
Hey, Harry, you haven't done anything useful for a while -- you be the
god
of jello now. -- Patricia Wrede, 8/16/2006 on rasfc
On 5/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW, are you also a fan of GWAR?
Heh. I saw GWAR -- which I believe stands for God What A Racket -- in a
bar in KC when they were touring to support _America Must Be
Destroyed/Phallus in Wonderland_. That must have been... 1992? 1993?
On 5/30/07, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
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Mauro Diotallevi
Hey, Harry, you haven't done anything useful for a while -- you be the
god
of jello now. -- Patricia Wrede, 8/16/2006 on rasfc
___
OK, that
Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
--
Mauro Diotallevi
Hey, Harry, you haven't done anything useful for a while -- you be the god
of jello now. -- Patricia Wrede, 8/16/2006 on rasfc
___
OK, that ranks up there with, Nothing says 'Aliens, land here!' like a
I'm jumping ahead to this thread, but have much to say
in the conservation one still (and I've only time for
one more post today)-
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It will have to be addressed by some sort of health
care rationing. The
only question is when and how. We may not be there
FWIW, from CNN AM QuickNews this morning:
An open letter to the candidates
Business legend Andy Grove shares a few modest proposals to fix
health care, from Fortune Magazine.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/29/news/economy/grove_column.fortune/index.htm
-- Ronn! :)
On 5/24/07, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 03:36 PM Thursday 5/24/2007, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
--
Mauro Diotallevi
Hey, Harry, you haven't done anything useful for a while -- you be the
god
of jello now. -- Patricia Wrede, 8/16/2006 on rasfc
There is already a god of
To:Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Mauro's latest .sig, was Re: U.S. health care
On 5/24/07, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 03:36 PM Thursday 5/24/2007, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
--
Mauro Diotallevi
Hey, Harry, you haven't done anything useful for a while -- you
On 25 May 2007 at 16:10, Dan Minette wrote:
If I need to see a doctor, I inform my workplace and go. I make up
the hours. That's pretty standard for non-shift workers here. As
opposed to being told to take holiday..
That's pretty standard here too...at least as far as I've seen.
For
jon louis mann wrote:
michael moore was on bill maher tonight talking about how the richest
country in the world is 37th in health care, because the system is
being looted by the health care providers and pharmaceutical companies.
they toss enough crumbs to the doctors to keep them happy,
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Ackkk!!!
That isn't the way one fairly compares such things Dan. My company
charges
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Subject: RE: U.S. health care
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:54:06 -0500
At 10:37 AM Wednesday 5/23/2007, PAT MATHEWS wrote:
One way would be to have a string of simple health
On 25/05/2007, at 7:09 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
That's true, but if one is really broke, beans and cornbread are
very cheap.
You can get the makings for a family of four for about a dollar.
And that's a sustainment diet.
It's hard to get fruit and fresh veggies cheap.
It's not hard to
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From: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:27:58 +1000
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: U.S. health care
On 25/05/2007, at 7:09 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
That's true, but if one is really broke, beans and cornbread are
very cheap
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:32 PM
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On 23 May 2007 at 21:38, Dan Minette wrote:
SImply put, the weakest area
On 25 May 2007 at 12:52, Dan Minette wrote:
But that doesn't prove anything. The barriers to seeing a doctor in
America in the first place are still there (there is no chance to the
philosophy of access, or of methods of treatment),
I'm not sure what you are getting at. With basic
At 07:38 AM Friday 5/25/2007, PAT MATHEWS wrote:
I got the link perfectly. The video hung up the entire screen on Loading
... and I had to get out completely. What is it with msnbc videos? That's
the second one that's done this to me.
Since the ms in msnbc stands for Micro$oft you ***have*** to
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Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 2:13 PM
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If I need to see a doctor, I inform my workplace and go. I make up
the hours. That's
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Let us presume as was the case in the cases I have
heard of on other lists
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Well, I see the other side. I had a neighbor who was a blood
specialist..and couldn't find work in his specialty. He supplemented
his
income
On 5/20/07, jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why do we behave the way we behave? What has become of us? Where is
our soul?
DUMPED ON SKID ROW – Hospitals drop homeless patients on the city's
Skid Row, sometimes dressed in only a flimsy gown and without a wheel
chair, even if they're
On 5/23/07, PAT MATHEWS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As it is, I know a fair number of people who go to herbalists and other
alternative practitioners for a lot of their health care, partly because
of
all the hassle and expense involved in using the health care system
My best friend's wife goes
On 5/23/07, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This problem is a good one for discussion here. However, it will not be
solved by polemics that provide simple stories with heroes and villains
like
that provided by Moore. There is a hard way out for this, just no easy
way
out.
You
On 5/23/07, PAT MATHEWS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Heavens - even to me, reared in the system, they are often
repugnant.
You reminded me of the fact that now that I'm 50, I have to have a
colonoscopy. Reared in the system, indeed.
Nick
--
Nick Arnett
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On 5/24/07, Mauro Diotallevi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The laziness issue is that too many people eat unhealthy foods and live
unhealthy lifestyles and then go complain to their doctors when they
become
unhealthy.
And I think we can credit some very effective and profitable marketing for
Nick Arnett wrote:
By letting those who are to blame for their own illnesses just die?
;-) Seriously, though, I'd have a hard time differentiating personal
from systemic causes for unhealthly lifestyles when there's so much effort
invested in advocating them in advertising, marketing and
On 23 May 2007 at 21:38, Dan Minette wrote:
SImply put, the weakest area of the American health system is
preventative care. Poorer people with chronic conditions can end up
with repeated emergency hospital treatment for conditions which are
manageable with drugs which, while not
On 5/24/07, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/24/07, Mauro Diotallevi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The laziness issue is that too many people eat unhealthy foods and live
unhealthy lifestyles and then go complain to their doctors when they
become
unhealthy.
And I think we
On 5/24/07, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nick Arnett wrote:
By letting those who are to blame for their own illnesses just die?
;-) Seriously, though, I'd have a hard time differentiating personal
from systemic causes for unhealthly lifestyles when there's so much
effort
Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
And there's a very Evil aspect of this: food with trans fat costs
_much_ less than a similar food without trans fat. If I were
paranoid, I would suggest that the reason is that Food Companies
and Medical Companies are owned by the same evil and greedy people.
You
On 25/05/2007, at 6:36 AM, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
You raise an interesting and important point. It is less expensive --
sometimes *much* less expensive -- to each unhealthy foods than it
is to eat
healthy.
Not really. It's just a lot more effort to go to the market, or plan
out your
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On 5/23/07, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This problem is a good one
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On 25/05/2007, at 6:36 AM, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
You raise an interesting
At 03:36 PM Thursday 5/24/2007, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
You raise an interesting and important point. It is less expensive --
sometimes *much* less expensive -- to each unhealthy foods than it is to eat
healthy. Maybe instead of subsidizing the military-industrial complex, the
government could
At 03:36 PM Thursday 5/24/2007, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
--
Mauro Diotallevi
Hey, Harry, you haven't done anything useful for a while -- you be the god
of jello now. -- Patricia Wrede, 8/16/2006 on rasfc
There is already a god of Jell-O.
Just go to Utah and visit any activity where food
is
On 5/24/07, Mauro Diotallevi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just advocating people taking more responsibility for
themselves. I've
seen too many people who eat nothing but junk food and never exercise
complaining about the low quality of health care that they receive, when
they are being a
At 03:21 PM Thursday 5/24/2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Nick Arnett wrote:
By letting those who are to blame for their own illnesses just die?
;-) Seriously, though, I'd have a hard time differentiating personal
from systemic causes for unhealthly lifestyles when there's so much effort
At 10:21 AM Wednesday 5/23/2007, Dan Minette wrote:
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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:04 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: U.S. health care
Why do we behave the way we behave?
At 10:37 AM Wednesday 5/23/2007, PAT MATHEWS wrote:
One way would be to have a string of simple health clinics that could do
checkups and make ordinary repairs - stitches, shots, setting broken bones,
monitoring diabetics, etc - and refer people to other facilities if there
were problems. They
At 05:08 PM Thursday 5/24/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
there is a part of me that believes [...] there are already too many people
on this planet.
Let me ask you some of the questions I ask everyone who says that:
(1) What do you think is the maximum number of people who could?
should? be on
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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:04 PM
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Subject: U.S. health care
Why do we behave the way we behave? What has become of us? Where is
our soul?
DUMPED ON
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Subject: RE: U.S. health care
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:21:12 -0500
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On
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You said: even though i am a skeptic about
chanting, gris gris and juju cures, i never negate the power of
suggestion.
Those aren't supposed to work on the body, or at least not directly. They
are supposed to work on the mind, emotions, cultural background etc, which
will then help the body do
On 23 May 2007 at 10:21, Dan Minette wrote:
And, fixing this is not as easy as Moore might suggest. As it stands, over
16% of GDP is spent on health care.and this is with a significant
fraction of Americans obtaining sub-standard care If everyone was given the
BMW service, this would
Ah. We here in the Southwest tend to feel we're the only ones who know
anything about Native Americans (blush).
Apologies.
http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
'Earth is just a starter planet.' Stephen Colbert
From: jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Get Back To Work.
Pat, taking care of business all day and ready to veg out by the boob tube.
http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
'Earth is just a starter planet.' Stephen Colbert
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SImply put, the weakest area of the American health system is
preventative care. Poorer people with chronic conditions can end up
with repeated emergency hospital treatment for conditions which are
manageable with drugs which, while not cheap, are far cheaper than
repeated hospital
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