On 3 Aug 2005, at 12:24 am, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 2, 2005, at 3:35 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
I don't think it's easily eradicated. I didn't say that. I said,
and you
quoted it, that 'religion is one of the easiest causes of evil to
eradicate.'
True.
Eradicating religion isn't
On 3 Aug 2005, at 4:29 am, Doug Pensinger wrote:
William wrote:
Eradicating religion isn't an easy project, but it is easier than
changing human nature or one of the other hard to eradicate causes
of evil.
I would argue that a need to explain the unexplainable _is_ human
nature
On Aug 3, 2005, at 5:39 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
This new American Lysenkoism, based on ridiculous religious ideas,
will decimat e a generation of potential life-scientists in the USA.
I'm at least as disturbed by this as you are, but it's a bit of a leap
to go from ID-iocy to to
On 3 Aug 2005, at 4:26 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Aug 3, 2005, at 5:39 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
This new American Lysenkoism, based on ridiculous religious ideas,
will decimate a generation of potential life-scientists in the USA.
I'm at least as disturbed by this as you are,
On Aug 3, 2005, at 8:42 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
I've begun to realize you're kind of in a rut here. :\
Better than the rut of evil superstitious nonsense :)
A rut that prevents critical thinking is a rut that prevents critical
thinking, whether it is based on belief in pink unicorns or
On 3 Aug 2005, at 7:15 pm, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 3, 2005, at 8:42 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
I've begun to realize you're kind of in a rut here. :\
Better than the rut of evil superstitious nonsense :)
A rut that prevents critical thinking is a rut that prevents critical
thinking,
William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Better than the rut of evil superstitious nonsense
:)
gigantic yawn B-O-R-I-N-G...
Do you really think that the Broken Record technique
(which is what you're applying here) is going to
accomplish your goals - whatever the heck they are?
If
On 3 Aug 2005, at 9:25 pm, Deborah Harrell wrote:
William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Better than the rut of evil superstitious nonsense
:)
gigantic yawn B-O-R-I-N-G...
Do you really think that the Broken Record technique
(which is what you're applying here) is going to
On Aug 3, 2005, at 1:50 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
LOL. I'd rather be right than interesting any day of the week :)
Hmm, so far you're 0 for 2.
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http://books.nightwares.com/
Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror
--- William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LOL. I'd rather be right than interesting any day of
the week :)
--
William T Goodall
I note (for historical interest, if nothing else) than
Henry Clay once said I'd rather be right than
President. To which Andrew Jackson (I believe)
William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3 Aug 2005, at 9:25 pm, Deborah Harrell wrote:
snip
If you want to be interesting, *please* use some
creativity instead of monotone, monochrome
sheepspeak.
LOL. I'd rather be right than interesting any day of
the week :)
So this is
On Aug 3, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LOL. I'd rather be right than interesting any day of
the week :)
--
William T Goodall
I note (for historical interest, if nothing else) than
Henry Clay once said I'd rather be right than
At 03:25 PM Wednesday 8/3/2005, Deborah Harrell wrote:
Debbi
Four Feet Good, Two Feet Bad Maru
Whoever said that size doesn't matter . . . .
-- Ronn! :)
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At 03:50 PM Wednesday 8/3/2005, William T Goodall wrote:
On 3 Aug 2005, at 9:25 pm, Deborah Harrell wrote:
William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Better than the rut of evil superstitious nonsense
:)
gigantic yawn B-O-R-I-N-G...
Do you really think that the Broken Record
On 3 Aug 2005, at 11:18 pm, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 03:50 PM Wednesday 8/3/2005, William T Goodall wrote:
On 3 Aug 2005, at 9:25 pm, Deborah Harrell wrote:
William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Better than the rut of evil superstitious nonsense
:)
gigantic yawn
On Aug 1, 2005, at 4:59 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
My own take on this is that a country that is more religious than the
UK is bound to exhibit more depraved and bestial behaviours across the
board - more murder, more rape and so on. A country mired in
primitive religious superstition is
On 2 Aug 2005, at 6:14 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Aug 1, 2005, at 4:59 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
My own take on this is that a country that is more religious than
the UK is bound to exhibit more depraved and bestial behaviours
across the board - more murder, more rape and so on.
On Aug 2, 2005, at 10:37 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
On 2 Aug 2005, at 6:14 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Aug 1, 2005, at 4:59 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
My own take on this is that a country that is more religious than
the UK is bound to exhibit more depraved and bestial behaviours
On 2 Aug 2005, at 6:50 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Aug 2, 2005, at 10:37 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
On 2 Aug 2005, at 6:14 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Well, it *had* been a compelling post until this graf. Is EVERY
evil that exists ANYWHERE attributable in your mind to religion?
On Aug 2, 2005, at 11:05 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
I don't suggest that. But I do think that religion is one of the
easiest
causes of evil to eradicate.
Which is why tyrants throughout the centuries have had so much luck
doing so?
I think you'll find that it is only in your narrow little
On 2 Aug 2005, at 11:21 pm, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 2, 2005, at 11:05 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
I don't suggest that. But I do think that religion is one of the
easiest
causes of evil to eradicate.
Which is why tyrants throughout the centuries have had so much luck
doing so?
I
On Aug 2, 2005, at 3:35 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
I don't think it's easily eradicated. I didn't say that. I said, and
you
quoted it, that 'religion is one of the easiest causes of evil to
eradicate.'
True.
Eradicating religion isn't an easy project, but it is easier than
changing human
William wrote:
Eradicating religion isn't an easy project, but it is easier than
changing human nature or one of the other hard to eradicate causes of
evil.
I would argue that a need to explain the unexplainable _is_ human nature
and that religion provides those explanations. The more we
On 11 Jun 2005, at 11:04 pm, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 04:28 PM Saturday 6/11/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 01:02 PM Saturday 6/11/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Jun 11, 2005, at 10:33 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
If you have
William wrote:
My own take on this is that a country that is more religious than the
UK is bound to exhibit more depraved and bestial behaviours across the
board - more murder, more rape and so on. A country mired in
primitive religious superstition is hardly likely to shine on respect
Just as note that while I did do a lot of thought and research into it
it was posted at nearly 5 AM and there are some things I would not
have written or at least written better with more sleep.
Gary D
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On 7/1/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Answering your thoughtful post.
Then it would seem that all AQ has to answer is name rank and serial
number, right?
I don't think so. What is prohibited is usually considered,
Dan,
I will have to think about your reply more for a fuller answer. Right
now I am convinced we are in the early stages of admitting the
invasion was a tragic mistake and plunged us into an unwinable war.
The issue of how we treat prisoners should be resolved to restore the
good name of the
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: Gulags
The stance of the experts I cited seems to be all prisoners, POW or
not, are entitled to the standard of care specified
On 6/23/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
replying to me
snip
If they did not have a clear sign, recognizable at a distance, if they were
determined to be AQ, then the US could say they didn't have a doubt and no
tribunal was needed. That may be a bit lawyerly, but it seems to match
That is a reasonable arguement. But, the question is, what sort of
protection do they deserve.. Do they deserve protection against
unpleasantness, as do real POWs? Is anything that could be called
undignified unacceptable. Take the case in Time magazine. If this is
the
extreme
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: Gulags
On 6/13/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are focusing on one section in several Geneva Conventions. I
Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: Gulags
From an article on POW's or Unlawful Combatants
http://www.crimesofwar.org/expert/pow-intro.html
You
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Gulags
Dr. Cole is correct, what you are arguing is that a class of people should
be held indefinitely without trial. This is known
On Jun 13, 2005, at 2:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 08:28 PM Sunday 6/12/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/11/2005 5:52:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How does procreation have to do with homosexual
At 01:25 PM Thursday 6/16/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
[snip]
But all of this is apart from prison rape, which doesn't seem to be about
social bonding; it seems more like a way of enforcing superiority on
others, doesn't it? So the procreative aspects of sexuality are completely
abrogated
On Jun 16, 2005, at 2:12 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 01:25 PM Thursday 6/16/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
[snip]
But all of this is apart from prison rape, which doesn't seem to be
about social bonding; it seems more like a way of enforcing
superiority on others, doesn't it? So the
On 6/14/05, Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What REALLY bothers me about all this is this: If the United States
wants to hold itself out as a paragon to the rest of the world,
shouldn't we hold ourselves to a HIGHER standard than we'd hold
other countries? If we want other countries to
Seems to belong here - a long article on the US interrogation system
this past Sunday.
Perm link
http://tinyurl.com/7rmhr
http://www.bugmenot.com
Only after a new commanding officer had arrived and official
inquiries had issued their reports did we learn that 40 percent of
those penned up at
On Jun 15, 2005, at 1:09 PM, Gary Denton wrote:
http://www.bugmenot.com
It's ironic that a New York Times columnist recommended bugmenot in a
column (http://tinyurl.com/5hvqc) last month on minor annoyances, given
that folks have probably used bugmenot to bypass the NYT's forced
registration
On 6/13/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are focusing on one section in several Geneva Conventions. I will
repeat what I have above.
Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Additional
Protocol II apply to prisoners regardless of the status of the legal
standing
William T Goodall wrote:
Instead of the present incredibly wasteful and expensive prison
system just transport all serious criminals to a tropical resort
island and give them free booze, drugs and hookers for life. This
would be far cheaper than the present prison system, more humane, and
Behalf Of Gary Denton
This is pretty basic stuff and trying to argue that none of the
Geneva
Conventions apply just lowers the standing of the United States in
the
world.
What REALLY bothers me about all this is this: If the United States
wants to hold itself out as a paragon to the rest of
On 11 Jun 2005, at 11:04 pm, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
While the redneck side of me may agree (and in fact suggests that
the chemical method ought to involve something like pouring a
liter or so of concentrated H2SO4 in their lap), my real opinion as
to what should be done is to get the
On 6/11/05, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 03:38 PM Saturday 6/11/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:31 PM Friday 6/10/2005, Dan Minette wrote:
[snip]
On 6/10/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 6/9/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dr. Cole is right.
IMHO, he amplifies and mirrors one
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Gulags
Right away, I wanted to re-establish what the Geneva convention actually
says.
The Geneva Conventions does specify how
On 6/13/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Gulags
Right away, I wanted to re-establish what the Geneva convention
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Gulags
On 6/13/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer
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From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:22:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Gulags
At 08:28 PM Sunday 6/12/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/11/2005 5:52:21 PM Eastern Standard Time
In a message dated 6/11/2005 5:52:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Castration does not stop rapists. Rape is typically a crime of
power/violence. People who have been chemically castrated have
subsequently raped women. I won't go into detail about how they could
do
At 08:28 PM Sunday 6/12/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/11/2005 5:52:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Castration does not stop rapists. Rape is typically a crime of
power/violence. People who have been chemically castrated have
subsequently raped
At 11:31 PM Friday 6/10/2005, Dan Minette wrote:
2) The treatment of prisoners in our regular prisons. Prison rape is
winked at by government officials on both sides of the aisle. There is no
national outrage concerning this. You may think it is an outrage, as do
others of us on this list,
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:31 PM Friday 6/10/2005, Dan Minette wrote:
2) The treatment of prisoners in our regular prisons. Prison rape
is
winked at by government officials on both sides of the aisle.
There
is no national outrage concerning this. You may think it is an
outrage, as
At 12:25 PM Saturday 6/11/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:31 PM Friday 6/10/2005, Dan Minette wrote:
2) The treatment of prisoners in our regular prisons. Prison rape
is
winked at by government officials on both sides of the aisle.
There
is no national
On Jun 11, 2005, at 10:33 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
If you have any suggestions on how to fix the problems in the regular
prisons, I'd be glad to hear them.
For rape? One solution springs immediately to mind.
--
Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
At 01:02 PM Saturday 6/11/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Jun 11, 2005, at 10:33 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
If you have any suggestions on how to fix the problems in the regular
prisons, I'd be glad to hear them.
For rape? One solution springs immediately to mind.
For the non-clairvoyant
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Gulags
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:31 PM Friday 6/10/2005, Dan Minette wrote:
2) The treatment of prisoners in our
Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Gulags
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:31 PM Friday 6/10/2005, Dan Minette wrote:
2) The treatment
On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 01:02 PM Saturday 6/11/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Jun 11, 2005, at 10:33 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
If you have any suggestions on how to fix the problems in the
regular prisons, I'd be glad to hear them.
For rape? One solution
- Original Message -
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: Gulags
On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 01:02 PM Saturday 6/11/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Jun
On Jun 11, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 01:02 PM Saturday 6/11/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Jun 11, 2005, at 10:33 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
If you have any suggestions on how
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From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: Gulags
On Jun 11, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:06
At 03:38 PM Saturday 6/11/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Gulags
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:31 PM
At 04:28 PM Saturday 6/11/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 01:02 PM Saturday 6/11/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Jun 11, 2005, at 10:33 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
If you have any suggestions on how to fix the problems in the regular
On Jun 11, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
I wasn't clear. Maybe I'll have to be less delicate.
1) Castration stops the source of testosterone as well as sperm. It
effectively ends sexual desire, as well as the chance to father
children.
That doesn't address the main motivation for
On 6/9/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:40 PM
Subject: Gulags
Dr. Cole is right.
IMHO, he amplifyies and mirrors one of the worst
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: Gulags
On 6/9/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:40 PM
Subject: Gulags
Dr. Cole is right.
IMHO, he amplifyies and mirrors one of the worst tendencies of the Bush
administration: seeing advisaries as
This just in: Jimmy Carter Asks Washington to Close Guantanamo Prison
http://www.ahora.cu/english/SECTIONS/national/2005/Junio/09-06-05c.htm
But full text here:
Former US President Jimmy Carter called on the Bush administration
to close the prison at the US naval base in Guantanamo,
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