It could provide incentive for people to buy safer and smaller cars.
No. Not really. Heavier cars are safer in crashes, because they can simply
push aside smaller opponents, while losing only little speed. The negative
accleration is what kills you in a car crash. Heavier car = less negative
And this is at least three times I've seen a reference to cars
being safe,
except against SUVs. (And this is stating the obvious)
There are trees,
rocks, cliffs, animals, buildings...any number of things that
can go wrong.
A person is mostly safer in a bigger vehicle against those
Chad Cooper wrote:
Not to get into the Why SUV's suck argument, smaller vehicles are safer
for _other_ drivers. America has started an arms race for defense on the
road, buying bigger and bigger vehicles to protect against the other big
vehicles.
Ah, but then there's always someone bigger...
Chad Cooper wrote:
-Original Message-
From: William T Goodall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 4:43 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Use of cameras
car with the best brakes (Lexus) could stop in a third of
the distance of a 1970's saloon
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Deborah Harrell wrote:
They were eliminated for both the presumed guilty
reason and the
public outcry of accusations of the government
just trying to
create another revenue stream to make up for a
growing deficit
created by a very socialist government.
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Russell Chapman wrote:
My questions are:
1. Does your state/province have photo radar?
2. Has it ever? (I'm pretty sure Colorado stopped
using them, and Ontario as well)
3. What stops them parking one on the side of an
interstate and
generating HUGE amounts
Chad Cooper wrote:
What about this idea for a start. Each speed zone has three speed limit
values, based upon vehicle class. Each class is represented by a symbol,
like a diamond, triangle and circle. Each class of vehicle is defined
through criteria such as weight, brakeing distance, use,
Julia Thompson wrote:
One feature that the ones I saw more recently had was, if you were going
at or under 5 miles above the speed limit, the numbers were displayed in
green, but if you were going over 5 miles above the speed limit, they
were displayed in red. For the non-color-blind, this
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Crystall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:55 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: RE: Use of cameras
On 3 Jun 2003 at 12:24, Chad Cooper wrote:
It could provide incentive for people to buy safer and smaller cars
At 12:24 PM 6/3/03 -0700, Chad Cooper wrote:
What about this idea for a start. Each speed zone has three speed limit
values, based upon vehicle class. Each class is represented by a symbol,
like a diamond, triangle and circle. Each class of vehicle is defined
through criteria such as weight,
At 08:36 AM 6/4/2003 -0700, you wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Crystall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:55 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: RE: Use of cameras
On 3 Jun 2003 at 12:24, Chad Cooper wrote:
It could provide incentive for people
Chad Cooper wrote:
-Original Message- From: Russell Chapman
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The problem in Australia is that they have now set the tolerance on these
cameras down to 3kmh over the limit in some states, so if youre endangering
all around you by travelling on a multi-lane
Ray Ludenia wrote:
Actually cars are not required to have a speedo (at least
here in Victoria).
Is that anything like a car bra, maybe for the trunk/boot
area? ;-)
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Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL
At 09:52 2003-06-03 -0500, Steve wrote:
Ray Ludenia wrote:
Actually cars are not required to have a speedo (at least
here in Victoria).
Is that anything like a car bra, maybe for the trunk/boot
area? ;-)
Particularily hard on the eyes when worn by white mini-vans
near floridian beaches.
I also recently read the following from a US Newspaper site (but I've
forgotten which one - none of the majors)
The article is in:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/081wysxg.asp
The Safety Myth
Photo-radar cameras are designed to catch speeders
-Original Message-
From: Robert J. Chassell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 12:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Use of cameras
I also recently read the following from a US Newspaper
site (but I've
forgotten which one - none
Robert J. Chassell wrote:
I also recently read the following from a US Newspaper site (but I've
forgotten which one - none of the majors)
The article is in:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/081wysxg.asp
The Safety Myth
Photo-radar
On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 08:24 pm, Chad Cooper wrote:
Near my house is a speed limit sign that displays one's speed as they
go by.
It is on the property of a High School. It inexpensive, and solar
powered.
Has anyone seen one of these?
What about this idea for a start. Each speed zone has
On 3 Jun 2003 at 12:24, Chad Cooper wrote:
It could provide incentive for people to buy safer and smaller cars.
They don't usually go hand-in-hand (small and safe, as applied to
cars).
Andy
Dawn Falcon
___
On 2 Jun 2003 at 9:51, Chad Cooper wrote:
Second, you can buy license plates covers that are specially
formulated to be clear, but they are polorized, so that if a flash of
light comes from above (or side of) the plate, like in the case of a
photo radar flash, the cover reflects the light,
At 06:01 PM 6/2/2003 +0100, you wrote:
On 2 Jun 2003 at 9:51, Chad Cooper wrote:
Second, you can buy license plates covers that are specially
formulated to be clear, but they are polorized, so that if a flash of
light comes from above (or side of) the plate, like in the case of a
photo radar
My questions are:
1. Does your state/province have photo radar?
2. Has it ever? (I'm pretty sure Colorado stopped using them, and Ontario
as well)
3. What stops them parking one on the side of an interstate and generating
HUGE amounts of cash based on the FHWA's comments above...
4. Is the
When I got the fine, it was just the back of the truck
showing the license
plate. Now here is the important part: basically it was up to
me to show
that my truck was stolen or I had loaned it to someone, to
get them to pay
me for the fine. I had to pay the fine no matter what, it
of 100mph, even in traffic. They use a combination of radar
and laser, but a conventional film camera. New units coming on line this
year use digital cameras. All of them can pick which is the speeding car
in 3 or 4 lanes of oncoming traffic.
I know of two facts required for a ticket
On 3 Jun 2003 at 8:47, Russell Chapman wrote:
Wow - ours were bought from Germany and routinely clock cars at speeds
in excess of 100mph, even in traffic. They use a combination of radar
and laser, but a conventional film camera. New units coming on line
this year use digital cameras. All
Russell Chapman wrote:
We have often discussed the use of cameras for law enforcement on the
list over the years, but I have some new questions.
I recently read that some US states DC in particular are still toying
with photo radars, which we call speed cameras, and that red light
cameras
Ack! Sorry about that -- somehow hit send before I started editing
responding.
Julia Thompson wrote:
Russell Chapman wrote:
Begin quote:
The Federal Highway Administration conducted a scientific experiment
over a five-year period, and found that the 85th percentile speed--or
the
Russell Chapman wrote:
My questions are:
1. Does your state/province have photo radar?
Not that I know of (Ca.)
2. Has it ever? (I'm pretty sure Colorado stopped using them, and
Ontario as well)
Don't think so.
3. What stops them parking one on the side of an interstate and
generating HUGE
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Russell Chapman wrote:
My questions are:
1. Does your state/province have photo radar?
Not that I know of (Ca.)
2. Has it ever? (I'm pretty sure Colorado stopped using them, and
Ontario as well)
Don't think so.
Yes. There are a few experiments in
Matt Grimaldi wrote:
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Russell Chapman wrote:
My questions are:
1. Does your state/province have photo radar?
Not that I know of (Ca.)
2. Has it ever? (I'm pretty sure Colorado stopped using them, and
Ontario as well)
Don't think so.
Yes. There are a few experiments in
On 2 Jun 2003 at 22:29, Doug Pensinger wrote:
4. Is the reason for not having them the presumed guilty until
proven innocent method of infringement ticketing?
I think that the owner of a vehicle should be held responsible for
that vehicle no matter who is driving it.
I agree, for
We have often discussed the use of cameras for law enforcement on the
list over the years, but I have some new questions.
I recently read that some US states DC in particular are still toying
with photo radars, which we call speed cameras, and that red light
cameras (which we funnily enough
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