On Thursday 2005-01-06 00:24, Gary Denton wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:23:20 -0500, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:01:56PM -0600, Gary Denton wrote:
The general fund is legally obliged to pay the interest and principal
on those bonds, and Social Security
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:16:32 -0700, Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday 2005-01-06 00:24, Gary Denton wrote:
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Why do you trust him with your money not to mention mine?
Perhaps it depends on how much money you make or expect to make?
I am simply working under the
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:58:43AM -0600, Gary Denton wrote:
You made the sweeping assumption that the additional money the working
class, not the wealthy class, has been putting into the Social
Security trust fund at the urging of Reagan and Greenspan were pieces
of paper and not full faith
On Thursday 2005-01-06 03:20, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:58:43AM -0600, Gary Denton wrote:
You made the sweeping assumption that the additional money the working
class, not the wealthy class, has been putting into the Social
Security trust fund at the urging of Reagan and
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:24:06AM -0600, Gary Denton wrote:
Semantics - currently projected using current calculations of
benefits.
Which apparently you have a great deal of trouble understanding.
Pathetic.
How is this a straw man? Your proposal promises people their future
benefits will
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 03:35:26AM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote:
Eric, Do you deny that is what you wrote? is not a loaded question
like Have you stopped beating your wife?.
Tront, do you deny that you are a doofus?
The lack of reading comprehension is at best an ad homenim attack,
No, at
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:52:13PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
I've got a few facts and observations thrown in. First of all, Social
Security is set up like a mix between a safety net for senior citizens
and an old fashioned pension that is calculated as a function of one's
last 5 years of
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:17:55PM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote:
What has been the average increase 1935-2005?
Between 1947 and 2005, real compensation per hour (i.e., above
inflation) has increased at an average annualized rate of 1.88%.
The St. Louis Fed's data only goes back to 1947.
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:59:00AM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote:
Of course, with ever increasing (and expensive) life qualities and
life spans there will be people born in 1976 still collecting their
retirement social security in 2075.
Andtheir PIA will already have been calculated years
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:52:13PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
In short, while it would be a real mistake to put off a solution for
another 10-20 years, SS looks as though it could be fixed with modest
changes. If you want to talk about a government program in trouble,
we have no further to
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On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:52:13PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
The private investment part of social security would, of course,
be directly porportional to the amount invested. Thus, this would
promote a greater disparity between the people who's income places
them in the top 20% of wage
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:10:19AM -0500, Erik Reuter wrote:
returns would be 3.4% + 3.5% - 2% = 5.1%. (That is for the very long
Should be 4.9%
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: Social Security
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:52:13PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
I've got a few facts and observations thrown in.
On Thursday 2005-01-06 03:48, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 03:35:26AM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote:
Eric, Do you deny that is what you wrote? is not a loaded question
like Have you stopped beating your wife?.
Tront, do you deny that you are a doofus?
To the best of my ...
No
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:54:56AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Also, the Diamond-Orszag Social Security Plan that is discussed
qualifies, in my book, as a modest tweak of the present system.
The appendix I referenced refers to the CURRENT system, not the
Diamond-Orszag modification.
--
Erik
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:44:52AM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote:
What is your point?
If you are unsure of what someone wrote, instead of making something up
and then asking them if they deny that they wrote it, there are a couple
better possibilities:
1) Look up what they wrote, quote it, and if
Can we try and start the new year without
doofus, idiot, pathetic, insert other generally disparaging
words
I don't expect roses and sunshine all the time and I really
enjoy a good cuss every now and again in RL, but one of the
reasons I like to be here is good company, good discussion
and and
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:20:33PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we try and start the new year without doofus, idiot, pathetic,
insert other generally disparaging words
Can we try and pay attention and not act like a bunch of pathetic
doofus's without a clue posting can't we all just get
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:20:33PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we try and start the new year without doofus, idiot, pathetic,
insert other generally disparaging words
Can we try and pay attention and not act like a bunch of pathetic
Can we try and pay attention and not act like a bunch of pathetic
doofus's without a clue posting can't we all just get along drivel?
*checks her stopwatch*
I was wondering how long it was going to take.
-k-
LOL, and I am not usually a gambling woman
Who had the right square in the pool?
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Social Security
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:54:56AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Also, the Diamond-Orszag Social Security Plan
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2005/01/05/
financial0019EST0249.DTL
http://tinyurl.com/55kyz
Despite suffering technical glitches that prompted jokes and guffaws,
Bill Gates promised Wednesday that Microsoft Corp. would help millions
of consumers stay seamlessly
On Jan 6, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:20:33PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we try and start the new year without doofus, idiot, pathetic,
insert other generally disparaging words
Can we try and pay attention and not act like a bunch of pathetic
doofus's
On Jan 6, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Social Security
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:54:56AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Also, the Diamond-Orszag Social
On Jan 6, 2005, at 12:54 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
During a demonstration of digital photography with a
soon-to-be-released Nikon camera, a Windows Media Center PC froze and
wouldn't respond to Gates' pushing of the remote control.
Later in the 90-minute presentation, a product manager
In a message dated 1/6/05 Bryon Daly supplied a link to a CD music ripper.
Thanks. When I was told I needed to have my CD recording software Save
As, it opened my eyes to how to do what I needed to do. (Or, as Clint Eastwood
might have said, A software's gotta do what a user gotta tell it
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:20:33PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we try and start the new year without doofus, idiot, pathetic,
insert other generally disparaging words
Can we try and pay attention and not act like a bunch of pathetic
doofus's without a clue posting
So... I like this:
http://www.glennbeck.com/tribute.htm
It's a montage of photos from Iraq and some beautiful music by a Mormon
choir.
But as I look at Glenn Beck's web site, I can see that he's a radio
commentator... and so odds are, he's conservative... but I sure can't
get a handle on his
Trent has suggested that Brin-L might be a good community to test my
Holocene Chat invention. (see: http://www.holocenechat.com/) I
believe you folks do have a weekly realtime session already?
We are currently doing a few selected demos of the system. Can't
accommodate very many. But if
At Thursday 02:43 PM 1/6/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Jan 6, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:20:33PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we try and start the new year without doofus, idiot, pathetic,
insert other generally disparaging words
Can we try and pay
At Thursday 03:08 PM 1/6/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:20:33PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we try and start the new year without doofus, idiot, pathetic,
insert other generally disparaging words
Can we try and pay attention and not act like a bunch
Maybe it's just a bad idea to try to pigeon-hole him or
anybody else...
Anybody here actually familiar with him?
Nick
Every now and then I listen to Glenn Beck, and I don't think that I would
call him a conservative.
The only way that I can really describe his radio show style is to
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 3:26 PM
Subject: Glenn Beck???
So... I like this:
http://www.glennbeck.com/tribute.htm
It's a montage of photos from Iraq and some beautiful music
At Thursday 03:26 PM 1/6/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
So... I like this:
http://www.glennbeck.com/tribute.htm
It's a montage of photos from Iraq and some beautiful music by a Mormon choir.
But as I look at Glenn Beck's web site, I can see that he's a radio
commentator... and so odds are, he's
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Where is the Wand?
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:20:33PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Can we try and
On Jan 6, 2005, at 3:38 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Erik Reuter wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we try and start the new year without doofus, idiot, pathetic,
insert other generally disparaging words
Can we try and pay attention and not act like a bunch of
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From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Social Security
Whether or not our forebears retired is utterly irrelevant to this
discussion.
Not trying to be
http://www.click2houston.com/news/4054179/detail.html?treets=houtml=h
ou_4pmts=Ttmi=hou_4pm_1_04000201062005
Andrea Yates' capital murder convictions for drowning her children
were overturned Thursday by an appeals court, which ruled a
prosecution expert witness gave false testimony at her
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:49:52PM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Not just the Dems. Don't forget the silvering Boomers and all the
current AARP members. They have, I'm quite sure, no intention of
tolerating even the vaguest *hint* of gefingerpoken on their SS plans.
Which is why all the plans
At Thursday 05:56 PM 1/6/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On Jan 6, 2005, at 3:38 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Erik Reuter wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we try and start the new year without doofus, idiot, pathetic,
insert other generally disparaging words
Can we try
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Social Security
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:49:52PM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Not just the Dems. Don't forget the silvering
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From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: Where is the Wand?
At Thursday 05:56 PM 1/6/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On Jan 6, 2005, at 3:38 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
In a message dated 1/6/2005 2:35:06 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Trent has suggested that Brin-L might be a good community to test my
Holocene Chat invention. (see: http://www.holocenechat.com/) I
believe you folks do have a weekly realtime session already?
We
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:15:50PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Bush is fairly vague about his plans.
I figure that is because he has no plans of his own. Obviously he has
people behind the scenes working on plans, but I'm sure Bush has, at
best, only a vague understanding of the plans. Fuzzy
It likely involves tweezers and a magnifying glass.
Stamp collecting???
Damon :P
Damon Agretto
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html
Now Building: Revell of Germany's
Doug Pensinger asked,
Are you saying that the government should not be obligated to
pay what they borrowed from Social Security?
And JDG responded with another question, which came across to me as a
rhetorical statement:
Why should it?
So my question is, are you suggesting that I
At 09:25 PM 1/5/2005 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
Why should it?
Because it is obligated to, maybe? This strikes me as a very bizarre
question somewhere along the lines of why should I pay on a loan the bank
gave me, but perhaps I misunderstand you.
The difference is that a bank is another
At 02:06 PM 1/6/2005 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LOL, and I am not usually a gambling woman
Who had the right square in the pool?
I guess this kind of contact sport can replace my lack
of participation in the NFL posts
As a primary culprint of the NFL posts, I certainly hope that you don't
- Original Message -
From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Where is the Wand?
It likely involves tweezers and a magnifying glass.
Stamp collecting???
Nothing that large.
xponent
http://www.techcentralstation.com/102704D.html
Abstract:
The transition cost myth is one of four Social Security misconceptions
that I want to address here. The others are the misconception that
Social Security is a pension, the misconception that the Baby Boom
is the main problem with Social
The best plan for reforming Social Security that I have seen comes
from Laurence Kotlikoff and Scott Burns in their book _The Coming
Generational Storm_. (By the way, they also outline a medical reform
plan, if anyone is interested I'll summarize that too)
Here is their 11-point plan summary of
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Or, to reduce the answer to what I believe is its simplest form... No.
I thought I was poking fun, but some didn't get it... Not the first
time I've been misunderstood, nor the last.
And now, a serious amplification. No, we can't all just get along, so I
try to take
Glad to help!
-bryon
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:55:04 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/6/05 Bryon Daly supplied a link to a CD music ripper.
Thanks. When I was told I needed to have my CD recording software Save
As, it opened my eyes to how to do what I
JDG wrote:
I wasn't aware that Social Security was an investment.;-)Do you
know what these investments are in?
People! My parents, fer example.
Nick
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On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:47:17PM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote:
Or, to reduce the answer to what I believe is its simplest
form... No.
I thought I was poking fun, but some didn't get it... Not the first
time I've been misunderstood, nor the last.
Me too...and I thought mine was funnier than
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Where is the Wand?
I thought I was poking fun, but some didn't get it... Not the first
time I've been misunderstood, nor the
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:12:09PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I thought I was poking fun, but some didn't get it... Not the first
time I've been misunderstood, nor the last.
Me too...and I thought mine was funnier than yours if I do say so
I figure that I owe it to everyone here to briefly be as clear as possible
about what I mean in regards to Social Security:
Social Security is not an investment program. Social Security revenues
fund current expenditures. That is welfare, not investment. Although
the Social Security Trust
John wrote-
As a primary culprit of the NFL posts, I certainly hope that you don't
mind them!
Don't mind them at all, just don't read them much. Although I do
peek in every once in a while to see if there is any fun
thread creep. I must say from my limited exposure they
seem to have the
Tommy is gaining weight at a great clip. On Monday, he weighed 16 lbs. 14
oz. naked. The next day at a different doctor's office, he weighed over
17 lbs. fully clothed (I think it was something like 17 lbs. 5 oz.).
We have a baby scale, the sort that get rented to breastfeeding moms if
What is your favorite e-mail program? What's the best thing about it?
What's the worst thing about it? What OSs does it work under? Is it more
mouse-dependent or can it be mostly or fully driven from the keyboard?
How much would it cost for me to get a properly licensed copy?
(Wanting to
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Jan 6, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:20:33PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we try and start the new year without doofus, idiot, pathetic,
insert other generally disparaging words
Can we try and
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Erik Reuter wrote:
The route to real pensions reform
Jan 6th 2005
From The Economist print edition
http://www.economist.com/finance/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=3535838
most snipped
The third and best answer is progressive indexing. This means the
continuation of
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Erik Reuter wrote:
The best plan for reforming Social Security that I have seen comes
from Laurence Kotlikoff and Scott Burns in their book _The Coming
Generational Storm_. (By the way, they also outline a medical reform
plan, if anyone is interested I'll summarize that
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:12:09PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I thought I was poking fun, but some didn't get it... Not the first
time I've been misunderstood, nor the last.
Me too...and I thought
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, JDG wrote:
If that still hasn't convinced you, just look at the list of Democrats
who oppose means-testing Social Security benefits, and who support the
current cut-off of Social Security Taxes at @$100-120,000 (I forget the
exact numbet) in income.
For 2004, it was
On Jan 6, 2005, at 5:03 PM, JDG wrote:
At 09:25 PM 1/5/2005 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
Why should it?
Because it is obligated to, maybe? This strikes me as a very bizarre
question somewhere along the lines of why should I pay on a loan the
bank
gave me, but perhaps I misunderstand you.
The
On Jan 6, 2005, at 9:34 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
What is your favorite e-mail program? What's the best thing about it?
What's the worst thing about it? What OSs does it work under? Is it
more
mouse-dependent or can it be mostly or fully driven from the keyboard?
How much would it cost for me
On Jan 6, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Dave Land wrote:
On Jan 6, 2005, at 5:03 PM, JDG wrote:
At 09:25 PM 1/5/2005 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
Why should it?
Because it is obligated to, maybe? This strikes me as a very bizarre
question somewhere along the lines of why should I pay on a loan the
bank
gave
On Jan 6, 2005, at 5:12 PM, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:49:52PM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Not just the Dems. Don't forget the silvering Boomers and all the
current AARP members. They have, I'm quite sure, no intention of
tolerating even the vaguest *hint* of gefingerpoken on
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