RE: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of Jon Louis Mann Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:34 PM To: Jonathan Louis Mann Subject: Where to now? Now that the election is past and Obama doesn't have to worry about his

Re: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Dave Land
Dan, Interesting article, thanks for the link. I am reminded of this, which came out in April, a preview of the EPI's State of Working America: 12th Edition — http://www.epi.org/publication/ib330-productivity-vs-compensation/ Until the early 1970s, hourly compensation rose with worker

RE: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Dan Minette
This is largely the result of a shift to capital gains income, rather than productivity-based income among the top few percent, who have gobbled up the growing gap between productivity and income. There are two problems that face workers. First, productivity has outpaced demand. Second, the

Re: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 19, 2012, at 8:11 AM, Dan Minette wrote: Gautam's book may prove unpopular with CEOs because it shows that a filtered leader is not that unique, there are many other candidates who would make the same decision. This would indicate that there is no business basis to pay, for example,

Re: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread ALBERTO VIEIRA FERREIRA MONTEIRO
Dan Minette prayed: We need a black swan. Maybe we already have it. The wiki model is working for editing wikipedias (not only _the_ Wikipedia, but many other clones, parodies, porn sites or just silly stuff), It began with IMDB and if they hadn't been such stupid jerks IMDB would have turned

RE: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Dan Minette
Dave wrote: It's sounding more and more like I need to get a copy of Gautam's book. Well, I admit I'm very biased in this, so I think my comments need to be taken with a grain of salt. But, to have a book that considers Lincoln as a near singular example of excellence in a unfiltered leader

RE: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Dan Minette
Why can't we apply the wiki idea to _engineering_? Because wikipedia is a collection of knowledge. Breakthroughs are typically done by a few people. It's seeing what no-one has seen before, not compiling all the stuff people have seen. It would be akin to having a masterpiece painted by

Re: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Kevin O'Brien
On 11/19/2012 11:11 AM, Dan Minette wrote: But, we cannot create many jobs where there is a reason to pay someone a good income. That is a challanging problem. It might best be faced by spreading ownership of corporations, but doing that without the law of unitended consequences bighting us is

RE: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Dan Minette
There is one and only one factor that creates jobs, and it is not wealthy people. That one factor is customers. I differ here. Not that middle class consumers are not more important than the top 0.1% getting more money, I agree with that. But, Clay's article is deeper than that. Look at all

Re: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 19, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Dan Minette wrote: Dave wrote: It's sounding more and more like I need to get a copy of Gautam's book. Doris Kearns Goodwin, Pulitzer Prize-winning author and presidential historian- Indispensable provides a masterly, absorbing, and exceptionally original

Re: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 19, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Dan Minette wrote: One potential disruptive innovation would be a process that coverts CO2, sea water and sunlight into petrol, at a cheaper price than we pay at the pump. That would create tens of thousands of good new jobs. Sounds like this, about which I first

Re: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Klaus Stock
Hi, last big innovation, and are have Apple winning market share on style instead of companies providing innovation that turns the world upside down I vaguely remember that I the past it took about 50 years from an innovation to appear until it became mainstream. Okay, my favourite example

RE: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Dan Minette
Dave Land, you must buy this book! - Doris Kearns Goodwin Sounds like your interest in Lincoln has gotten connected to one of the experts on Lincoln. I'm happy for you. Dan M. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com

Re: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Klaus Stock
We need a black swan. Maybe we already have it. The wiki model is working for editing wikipedias (not only _the_ Wikipedia, but many other clones, parodies, porn sites or just silly stuff), It began with IMDB and if they hadn't been such stupid jerks IMDB would have turned itself into what

RE: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Dan Minette
Sounds like this, about which I first heard the inventor speak at TEDxSanJoseCA in 2011: The group I was thinking of has a slightly different biological approach. It is Joule Unlimited I really don't have a dog in the fight over which company wins, I just hope someone does. It should take

RE: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Stock Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:56 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: Where to now? Hi, last big innovation, and are have Apple winning market

Re: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread D.C. Frandsen
I agree with you, Dan. Newer and better versions of tablets or iphones are marginal improvements and will not provide the stimulus to the economy to change the direction we are following. But I also have a problem with the idea that creating new customers by which I guess, Kevin, you mean

Re: Where to now?

2012-11-19 Thread Klaus Stock
I vaguely remember that I the past it took about 50 years from an innovation to appear until it became mainstream. Huh? It took geosteering 3 years to drop the price of oil by a factor of 3. snip My rant about the 50 years wasn't really meant seriously. Just the preparation to the conclusion