Euro law: Pigs need toys

2003-01-29 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003041504,00.html PIG farmers have been told they must put TOYS inside every sty - or serve up to three months in prison. Failure to get crackling could also mean a £1,000 fine under Brussels trotting-up rules. The law, which entitles the animals to balls, s

Re: We Want Your Online Dating Stories...

2003-01-29 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Doug Pensinger wrote: > 25 years yesterday. 8^) Bravo! (And congratulations, Damon!) Marvin Long Austin, Texas Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Poindexter & Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly the USA) http://www.breakyourchains.org/john_poindexter.htm

Brin: Paris Conquers All?

2003-01-29 Thread Jon Gabriel
This doesn't have to be a question solely for Dr. Brin if anyone else is familiar with the work in question Dr. Brin, can you tell me where I would be able to find a short story by you and Gregory Benford called 'Paris Conquers All?' I just found a text file of it on a newsgroup and I was wo

Re: We Want Your Online Dating Stories...

2003-01-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan Minette wrote: I wonder who is the longest married on the list? I'm guessing it might be Jo Anne or Zimmy. Teri and I have been married just under 25 years. 25 years yesterday. 8^) Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Eye Test - Color Vision Perception

2003-01-29 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: > > http://www.liquidgeneration.com/sabotage/vision_sabotage.asp > > This is a pretty neat eye test. > > Everyone should take it to see if they percieve colors the same way as > everyone else. Remind me not to check any more of Rob's URLs after 10PM. Julia who

Re: We Want Your Online Dating Stories...

2003-01-29 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:56 PM 1/28/2003 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: >Why don't you order chicken wings on a date? Not something I would do >anyway (not that fond of wings, but will assist in ordering & eating if >enough other people at the table want them). Well, for one they are ridiculously unhealthy - and espec

RE: I Think I'm Going to Cry......

2003-01-29 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:20 AM 1/29/2003 -0800 Miller, Jeffrey wrote: >I have to agree. I wasn't moved much. The first half seemed to be him saying "yeah, sure" to a bunch of domestic programs without offering much new (although the extra $ for Africa was a welcome point.) The second half started strong, but dwin

RE: Eye Test - Color Vision Perception

2003-01-29 Thread Jon Gabriel
First of all, I'm colorblind and the numbers didn't add up. Second of all, How far are you from New York? I wanna come over and show ya some NY appreciation! Jon Beat Yo Ass In Maru :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robert Seeberger

Scouted: Not a Lobstergram

2003-01-29 Thread Jon Gabriel
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=21 31909 Woman Who Got Leg in Mail Sues for Anguish Wed January 29, 2003 08:50 AM ET HOUSTON (Reuters) - An Alaska woman, shocked to receive part of her dead father's leg in the mail instead of the gourmet "LobsterGram" she wa

Eye Test - Color Vision Perception

2003-01-29 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.liquidgeneration.com/sabotage/vision_sabotage.asp This is a pretty neat eye test. Everyone should take it to see if they percieve colors the same way as everyone else. xponent Get In Line To Kick My Butt Maru rob You are a fluke of the universe. You

Re: We Want Your Online Dating Stories...

2003-01-29 Thread Reggie Bautista
JJ wrote some stuff about being stalked in Puerto Rico, and at the end of the email: This mail sent through : http://webmail.coqui.net :-) Coqui as in the coqui frog? What a great name for a server! I come from a traditional Mexican Roman Catholic family, and one of my sisters was a Sister (

Re: recent bushisms

2003-01-29 Thread Russell Chapman
The Fool wrote: Adventures in George W. Bushspeak - Updated Frequently "The goals for this country are peace in the world. And the goals for this country are a compassionate American for every single citizen. Make mine a curvy gal with long red or brown hair... I don't think there's enough Ame

RE: I need a Bush joke

2003-01-29 Thread Jon Gabriel
That Moses joke was hilarious. :))) Thanks :) Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of The Fool Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I need a Bush joke ___

RE: We Want Your Online Dating Stories...

2003-01-29 Thread Jon Gabriel
Alberto, Please help the language-impoverished what does "namoro" mean? I'm guessing it's probably 'being in love'? Jon GSV Refraining from Smart Ass Comments. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro Sent: Wednesday, J

Re: We Want Your Online Dating Stories...

2003-01-29 Thread jjoc
Quoting Damon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Thankfully, after dozens of dates and other duds (one claimed she had sex > with 30+ guys by our second date) I finally met someone I fell in love > with. We're looking to get married sometime this summer... > > Damon. > --

Re: Top 10 SF Characters

2003-01-29 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Quoting Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > Seriously now, I think Harrison Ford contributed more to the success of > > the > > > original Star Wars series than most of films' cast members. > > > > > > Except of course, R2. He couldn't possibly top R2. ;-

Re: Darwin Radio [was: First real post - Hugo Noms]

2003-01-29 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 1/28/2003 11:32:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >writes: > > > Sun revolving around the earth, no. Celestial spheres? If > > a good enough > > case were made, I could buy it. :) > > Real spheres with the stars painted on. The uni

Re: Fwd: Tolkien & Technology: A Commentary from Bill Hammack

2003-01-29 Thread Reggie Bautista
Marvin wrote: > >I think a more interesting analysis of Tolkien (since his > >anti-industrialism has been done to death) would be to explore the > >consequences of his "pro-tech" side. I think he has one, but the "tech" > >is dressed up as craft. > [snip] > >One consequence of Tolkien's nostalgi

Re: Top 10 SF Characters

2003-01-29 Thread Julia Thompson
Julia Thompson wrote: > > Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > > > Julia Thompson wrote: > > > > > >> Uh? I thought she was Kira _Neris_ > > > > > > Kira Nerys. At least, according to IMDB. > > > > > How canonical is this? IIRC, I got the spelling _Neris_ > > from the show. But I may be wrong > > Dunno.

Re: Brin-L Chat Reminder

2003-01-29 Thread Steve Sloan II
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Live chat? KEWL... What day of the week? Whoops! :-) Wednesday night, and there are people there right now. __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama => [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages

Re: Gautam's rant

2003-01-29 Thread Steve Sloan II
Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Jacques Chirac. It's been a long day. Oh yeah, the guy whose name always makes me think of that villain from Bugs Bunny cartoons named Black Jacques Shellac. ;-) > In this particular case, we know exactly what "The > Axis of Weasel" is motivated by. LOL ___

recent bushisms

2003-01-29 Thread The Fool
Adventures in George W. Bushspeak - Updated Frequently "When Iraq is liberated, you will be treated, tried and persecuted as a war criminal." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 22, 2003 "One year ago today, the time for excuse-making has come to an end." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

Re: We Want Your Online Dating Stories...

2003-01-29 Thread jjoc
Quoting Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Julia > > who's never done online dating and not terribly likely to any time in the > future, because hey, she found the love of her life in the co-ed college > dorm and spent an awful lot of time in his room initially to get away from a >

Re: Top 10 SF Characters Rankled

2003-01-29 Thread jjoc
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > In a message dated 1/28/2003 8:38:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > > You do remember the Tiny Toons Star Trek take-off, don't you? > > William Taylor > -- Very much so... It's one of my favorites. If my memory serves, there was an awesome T

Re: Top 10 SF Characters

2003-01-29 Thread jjoc
Quoting Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Seriously now, I think Harrison Ford contributed more to the success of > the > > original Star Wars series than most of films' cast members. > > > > Except of course, R2. He couldn't possibly top R2. ;-) > > No, you can't top R2. And any att

Re: Brin-L Chat Reminder

2003-01-29 Thread jjoc
Quoting Steve Sloan II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This is just a quick reminder that the weekly Brin-L chat is > scheduled for 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or > 7 PM Greenwich time. There will probably be somebody there to > talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. See my >

Re: I need a Bush joke

2003-01-29 Thread The Fool
> From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > and desperately! In another list, I am a "joke critic", > and someone told a joke where Bush was the main > character, but he behaved quite un-Bushly > [I suggested that the joke should be retold with > Fidel Castro instead of Bush - so you see that

Re: I need a Bush joke

2003-01-29 Thread The Fool
> From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > and desperately! In another list, I am a "joke critic", > and someone told a joke where Bush was the main > character, but he behaved quite un-Bushly > [I suggested that the joke should be retold with > Fidel Castro instead of Bush - so you see that

Re: Darwin Radio [was: First real post - Hugo Noms]

2003-01-29 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 1/28/2003 11:32:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Sun revolving around the earth, no. Celestial spheres? If > a good enough > case were made, I could buy it. :) Real spheres with the stars painted on. The universe confined to those spheres. Can't see

Re: I need a Bush joke

2003-01-29 Thread The Fool
> From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > and desperately! In another list, I am a "joke critic", > and someone told a joke where Bush was the main > character, but he behaved quite un-Bushly > [I suggested that the joke should be retold with > Fidel Castro instead of Bush - so you see that i

Re: I need a Bush joke

2003-01-29 Thread The Fool
> From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > and desperately! In another list, I am a "joke critic", > and someone told a joke where Bush was the main > character, but he behaved quite un-Bushly > [I suggested that the joke should be retold with > Fidel Castro instead of Bush - so you see that i

Re: Top 10 SF Characters

2003-01-29 Thread Reggie Bautista
Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > Julia Thompson wrote: > > > >> Uh? I thought she was Kira _Neris_ > > > > Kira Nerys. At least, according to IMDB. > > > How canonical is this? IIRC, I got the spelling _Neris_ > from the show. But I may be wrong Julia replied: Dunno. The credits are listed as "com

Re: Fwd: Tolkien & Technology: A Commentary from Bill Hammack

2003-01-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Reggie Bautista" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Tolkien & Technology: A Commentary from Bill Hammack > Marvin wrote: > >I think a more interesting analysis of Tolkien (since his > >anti-i

Re: I need a Bush joke

2003-01-29 Thread The Fool
> From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > and desperately! In another list, I am a "joke critic", > and someone told a joke where Bush was the main > character, but he behaved quite un-Bushly > [I suggested that the joke should be retold with > Fidel Castro instead of Bush - so you see that i

Re: Iraq, Iran to Chair UN Disarmament Conference

2003-01-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Iraq, Iran to Chair UN Disarmament Conference > USA to chair the UN polution control program? > hmm, well that's kinda funny coming from you A

Re: Top 10 SF Characters

2003-01-29 Thread Julia Thompson
Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > Julia Thompson wrote: > > > >> Uh? I thought she was Kira _Neris_ > > > > Kira Nerys. At least, according to IMDB. > > > How canonical is this? IIRC, I got the spelling _Neris_ > from the show. But I may be wrong Dunno. The credits are listed as "complete, awaiting v

I need a Bush joke

2003-01-29 Thread Alberto Monteiro
and desperately! In another list, I am a "joke critic", and someone told a joke where Bush was the main character, but he behaved quite un-Bushly [I suggested that the joke should be retold with Fidel Castro instead of Bush - so you see that it was a wrong joke]. A typical Bush joke - doesn't have

Re: We Want Your Online Dating Stories...

2003-01-29 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Reggie Bautista wrote: > > 3 1/2 years of marriage as of next week, and counting... :-) > Teenager :-) Alberto Monteiro, _14_ years of marriage and 18 years of "namoro" a few days ago ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Top 10 SF Characters

2003-01-29 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Julia Thompson wrote: > >> Uh? I thought she was Kira _Neris_ > > Kira Nerys. At least, according to IMDB. > How canonical is this? IIRC, I got the spelling _Neris_ from the show. But I may be wrong Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailm

Re: Iraq, Iran to Chair UN Disarmament Conference

2003-01-29 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: > > Iraq, Iran to Chair UN Disarmament Conference > and Libya is chairing the Commission on Human > Rights. > Triple Hell!!! How can I pretend to be The Trickster if those idiots can be much more fun than I am? What's next? South Africa to chair the UN AIDS program? Pakistan to chair t

Re: I Think I'm Going to Cry......

2003-01-29 Thread jjoc
Quoting "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > .wow, what a speech, what a President. > > "The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift > to humanity." > > JDG If we follow his ideals of the "state of the onion", you have to agree with me we are REALLY living

The Supremes: God, gold, and glory

2003-01-29 Thread The Fool
http://www.bisbeeobserver.com/BO1/03/0123/c001.shtml The Supremes: God, gold, and glory By Jim Dwyer The Bisbee Observer It must be a real head scratcher for relatives of United States Supreme Court Justices to consider what to give them for birthdays, holidays, and special occasions, like the a

Re: We Want Your Online Dating Stories...

2003-01-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Reggie Bautista" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: Re: We Want Your Online Dating Stories... > Damon wrote: > >Thankfully, after dozens of dates and other duds (one claimed she had sex > >with 30+ gu

RE: spy-dust sensor networks

2003-01-29 Thread Jon Gabriel
And now, Qeng Ho Localizers become reality. :) Pham Nuwen would be so proud! *grin* Jon "We've been navigating by the North Star, which turned out to be the Delta Shuttle from LaGuardia. It's a miracle we're not in Nantucket by now." ~Toby / The West Wing~ -Original Message- From: [EMAI

RE: We Want Your Online Dating Stories...

2003-01-29 Thread Jon Gabriel
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > Behalf Of Jean-Louis Couturier > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:17 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: We Want Your Online Dating Stories... > > At 23:31 2003-01-28 -0500, Damon wrote: > >Thankfully, after dozens of dates and othe

Re: Iraq, Iran to Chair UN Disarmament Conference

2003-01-29 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
At 12:20 2003-01-29 -0800, John wrote: ...and Libya is chairing the Commission on Human Rights. File this as Reason #3462 why the UN system is broken... JDG Of course with that kind of a logic, we'd actually have to kick them out. Then we'd be back with our usual G(n) organisations or a new a

Re: Gautam's rant

2003-01-29 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jean-Louis Couturier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since when is Jean Chrétien President of France? > Why do you expect the world to think better of > America > than America thinks of the world? > Do you really believe that America is selfless and > no > one else is? > > Jean-Louis Couturier

Re: Gautam's rant

2003-01-29 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jean-Louis Couturier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since when is Jean Chrétien President of France? > Why do you expect the world to think better of > America > than America thinks of the world? > Do you really believe that America is selfless and > no > one else is? > > Jean-Louis Couturier

Re: We Want Your Online Dating Stories...

2003-01-29 Thread Reggie Bautista
Damon wrote: Thankfully, after dozens of dates and other duds (one claimed she had sex with 30+ guys by our second date) I finally met someone I fell in love with. We're looking to get married sometime this summer... Congratulations, and best of luck. Reggie Bautista 3 1/2 years of marriag

Re: Fwd: Tolkien & Technology: A Commentary from Bill Hammack

2003-01-29 Thread Reggie Bautista
Marvin wrote: I think a more interesting analysis of Tolkien (since his anti-industrialism has been done to death) would be to explore the consequences of his "pro-tech" side. I think he has one, but the "tech" is dressed up as craft. [snip] One consequence of Tolkien's nostalgia for old ways (

OK, this post gets a little gross Re: I Think I'm Going to Cry......

2003-01-29 Thread Julia Thompson
I hope the change in subject line is warning enough. "Miller, Jeffrey" wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 08:37 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: I Think I'm Going to Cry.. > > > > Oh yeah, w

Re: We Want Your Online Dating Stories...

2003-01-29 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
At 23:31 2003-01-28 -0500, Damon wrote: Thankfully, after dozens of dates and other duds (one claimed she had sex with 30+ guys by our second date) I finally met someone I fell in love with. We're looking to get married sometime this summer... Damon. Félicitations! Welcome to the club : we

spy-dust sensor networks

2003-01-29 Thread The Fool
http://www.eet.com/at/news/OEG20030128S0028 Companies test prototype wireless-sensor nets By R. Colin Johnson EE Times January 29, 2003 (1:34 p.m. EST) PORTLAND, Ore. — Self-organizing wireless-sensor networks, a realization of the Pentagon's "smart-du

Re: Gautam's rant

2003-01-29 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
At 06:27 2003-01-29 -0800, Gautam wrote: Or, you know, real conflicts of interest. The ability of people on the American (and global, I guess) left to have faith in the benevolence and wisdom of France and Germany, in total ignorance of history and, well, logic, never ceases to astound me. If yo

fructose

2003-01-29 Thread The Fool
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/Healthology/HS_fructose_gas021023.ht ml Fructose, the simple sugar found in honey, fruits and some soft drinks, may be to blame for unexplained stomach ailments such as cramps, gas and diarrhea. ___ http://www.mccm

Re: Iraq, Iran to Chair UN Disarmament Conference

2003-01-29 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 12:20 29-01-2003 -0800, John Giorgis wrote: ...and Libya is chairing the Commission on Human Rights. File this as Reason #3462 why the UN system is broken... With the Reasons #1 through #3461 being... what exactly? "The irony is overwhelming," a U.S. diplomat said. Yup. As ironic as th

Re: Top 10 SF Characters

2003-01-29 Thread Reggie Bautista
I wrote: And despite all the silliness, Buffy the Vampire Slayer still manages to be a great dramatic show. And it really is a drama that just happens to have a lot of comic and "genre" elements, sort of a _Kolchack_ or _X-Files_ with a more consistant core mythology and people who have a somewha

Re: Top 10 SF Characters

2003-01-29 Thread Reggie Bautista
I wrote: SciFi.com and some other similar sites and mags, often refer to "genre" books, movies, and TV shows. By "genre," they usually mean, science fiction, science fantasy (or "space fantasy," like _Star Wars_ or the recent Joss Whedon show _Firefly_), Steve Sloan replied: I disagree with

Re: Top 10 SF Characters

2003-01-29 Thread Steve Sloan II
Alberto Monteiro wrote: >>Non-sentients: >>Tribbles (oh, definitely! Just don't want to actually >>encounter a pile of them... :D ) >They are Heinlein's Flatcats from _The Rolling Stones_ Nope, tribbles aren't flat and flying saucer-shaped, more tubular. Maybe a related species? :-) __

Re: Nation States --> Sovereign States

2003-01-29 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 23:49 28-01-2003 -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: As I am currently unemployed, programming, etc. are on offer for free. Any resulting code would be GPL, so it would stay free. This, of course, assumes some generous patron who provides: -- Website -- Script support (PHP, VB.NET on ASP, etc.) --

Iraq, Iran to Chair UN Disarmament Conference

2003-01-29 Thread J.D. Giorgis
...and Libya is chairing the Commission on Human Rights. File this as Reason #3462 why the UN system is broken... JDG Iraq to chair U.N. disarmament conference >From Richard Roth CNN New York Bureau Wednesday, January 29, 2003 Posted: 6:49 AM EST (1149 GMT) UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- Iraq will

Re: upstream censorship: AOL

2003-01-29 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 29 Jan 2003 at 16:07, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > Andrew Crystall wrote: > > > >> Uh? I can't see this correlation. Does AOL block any > >> non-AOL site for non-AOL users? > > > >> If you use AOL "service", you are subject to AOL rules. > >> TANSTAAFL > > > > As was said Alberto, it's onl

Re: upstream censorship: AOL

2003-01-29 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 29 Jan 2003 at 18:41, William T Goodall wrote: > In the UK most people who have a phone line can use any dialup ISP > from anywhere. And if you are in range of an ADSL enabled exchange [1] > you can use any broadband ISP to provide your service. With cable > broadband it depends which (if any)

Brin-L Chat Reminder

2003-01-29 Thread Steve Sloan II
This is just a quick reminder that the weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There will probably be somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. See my instruction page for help getting there: http://www

RE: I Think I'm Going to Cry......

2003-01-29 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
> -Original Message- > From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 06:07 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: I Think I'm Going to Cry.. > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 08:36:18AM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: > > > Nevertheless, the scope o

RE: I Think I'm Going to Cry......

2003-01-29 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
> -Original Message- > From: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 05:36 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: I Think I'm Going to Cry.. > > > At 11:37 PM 1/28/2003 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: > >Well as long as *somebody* was touched. I'

RE: I Think I'm Going to Cry......

2003-01-29 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
> -Original Message- > From: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 08:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: I Think I'm Going to Cry.. > > > Well as long as *somebody* was touched. I've heard him be > much more inspiring. Every single ot

Re: upstream censorship: AOL

2003-01-29 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/29/03 10:43:08 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Heck, where I live in St. Louis there's really only 1 option for broadband for a household. >> Ah. St. Louis. This I did not know. Back when I was traveling cross country, I always left St. Louis of

RE: Brin-L Causal Relationships

2003-01-29 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Jon Gabriel > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:14 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Brin-L Causal Relationships > > > Nick, > > Is there any chance you would be willing to re-do those neat graphi

Re: upstream censorship: AOL

2003-01-29 Thread William T Goodall
on 29/1/03 4:57 pm, Julia Thompson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Alberto Monteiro wrote: >> But no one is _forced_ to use AOL. Don't like it? Get a decent >> Internet Provider > > But in some areas, AOL may be the closest thing to a "decent" ISP you can > get. > > In major cities, there's plenty

RE: I Think I'm Going to Cry......

2003-01-29 Thread Jon Gabriel
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > Behalf Of Erik Reuter > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:33 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: I Think I'm Going to Cry.. > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 11:15:26AM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: > > Actually, Bush's last state of the

RE: Brin-L Causal Relationships

2003-01-29 Thread Horn, John
> From: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Is there any chance you would be willing to re-do those neat graphic > representations of how Brinnellers relate to each other > again? I found > 'em fascinating and am curious how they would look today. :) I'd like to second that request...

Brin-L Causal Relationships

2003-01-29 Thread Jon Gabriel
Nick, Is there any chance you would be willing to re-do those neat graphic representations of how Brinnellers relate to each other again? I found 'em fascinating and am curious how they would look today. :) If not, no biggie. I was just wondering. TIA, Jon "We need feedback from outside ou

Re: I Think I'm Going to Cry......

2003-01-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 12:30:50PM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: > Since Erik posted it, I've been thinking about that quote from Nancy > Kress. Perhaps I'm personally less interested in the nitty gritty than > I am in being inspired by the leaders of my country. It's definitely > something for me to

RE: upstream censorship: AOL

2003-01-29 Thread Horn, John
> From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > In major cities, there's plenty of competition, because there are more > potential customers and the population can support a number > of different > providers. In more rural areas, you may be lucky to have > *one* broadband > option, forget

Re: I Think I'm Going to Cry......

2003-01-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 11:15:26AM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: > Actually, Bush's last state of the union speech (2002) had, and I'm > quoting from memory, about 37 or 39 promises. Clinton usually averaged > around 100. And this leads you to believe that most of Bush's "promises" yesterday will ac

RE: I Think I'm Going to Cry......

2003-01-29 Thread Jon Gabriel
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > Behalf Of John D. Giorgis > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:36 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: I Think I'm Going to Cry.. > > At 11:37 PM 1/28/2003 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: > >Well as long as *somebody* was touched. I've h

Re: upstream censorship: AOL

2003-01-29 Thread Julia Thompson
Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > Andrew Crystall wrote: > > > >> Uh? I can't see this correlation. Does AOL block any > >> non-AOL site for non-AOL users? > > > >> If you use AOL "service", you are subject to AOL rules. > >> TANSTAAFL > > > > As was said Alberto, it's only for the internal browser and

Re: Top 10 SF Characters

2003-01-29 Thread Julia Thompson
Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > > > Favorite characters: > > > Kira Nerese > > Uh? I thought she was Kira _Neris_ Kira Nerys. At least, according to IMDB. http://us.imdb.com/Title?0106145 Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia

RE: I Think I'm Going to Cry......

2003-01-29 Thread Jon Gabriel
Actually, Bush's last state of the union speech (2002) had, and I'm quoting from memory, about 37 or 39 promises. Clinton usually averaged around 100. Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Erik Reuter Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:0

Re: upstream censorship: AOL

2003-01-29 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Andrew Crystall wrote: > >> Uh? I can't see this correlation. Does AOL block any >> non-AOL site for non-AOL users? > >> If you use AOL "service", you are subject to AOL rules. >> TANSTAAFL > > As was said Alberto, it's only for the internal browser and not an > external web browser which yo

Re: We Want Your Online Dating Stories...

2003-01-29 Thread William T Goodall
on 28/1/03 9:10 pm, Alberto Monteiro at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> I teach a Computer Science course, and I'm asking my students to research on >> the topic of "The Pros and Cons of Online Dating". >> > You mean, "pros" are the professionals, and "cons" are the > convicts? > LOL! I think t

Re: upstream censorship: AOL

2003-01-29 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 29 Jan 2003 at 10:33, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > The Fool wrote: > > > > AOL has been blocking access to this website. In fact, > > AOL has been blocking adults from this website. > > America Online is a prime example of corporate fascism. > > > Uh? I can't see this correlation. Does AOL

Re: Top 10 SF Characters

2003-01-29 Thread William T Goodall
on 29/1/03 4:51 am, Doug Pensinger at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Is the show anything like the movie? Not in any important way :) > I started to watch the movie a few > weeks ago and I couldn't get past the first fifteen minutes. Joss Whedon invented the Buffy concept and wrote the film only

Re: Top 10 SF Characters

2003-01-29 Thread William T Goodall
on 28/1/03 10:53 pm, Alberto Monteiro at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Jon Gabriel wrote: >> >>> Well Star Wars is hardly SF... >> >> No, Star Wars is definitely SF. It's just terribly bad SF on certain >> levels. Under what genre would you classify Star Wars if not under SF? >> > Star Wars i

Re: [Fwd: Brin-l Digest, Vol 173, Issue 2]

2003-01-29 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Matt Grimaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe they're put off by such attitudes among U.S. > officials, not that anyone around Washington seems > to be > able to consider that there's probably a better way > to > go about this than "good cop, bad cop". > > Instead, the answer to relu

Re: I Think I'm Going to Cry......

2003-01-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 08:36:18AM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: > Nevertheless, the scope of the speech is simply amazing - Reform of > Medicare, Tax Cuts, Treatment of AIDS in Africa, and a detailed case > for war in Iraq. Amazing, if a laundry list is amazing. I would have preferred some indic

RE: I Think I'm Going to Cry......

2003-01-29 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:37 PM 1/28/2003 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: >Well as long as *somebody* was touched. I've heard him be much more >inspiring. Every single other State of the Union address my wife and I >(and the twelve friends I spoke with afterwards) had ever heard was, in >fact, more inspirational than the o

Re: I Think I'm Going to Cry......

2003-01-29 Thread Erik Reuter
I was repeatedly reminded during the speech of this statement: The United States has never been a country that much values calm, logic, and rationality. We have, as a people, tended to label these things "cold." We have, as a people, tended to admire feeling and action: We exalt in our st

Re: We Want Your Online Dating Stories...

2003-01-29 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:31 PM 1/28/2003 -0500 Damon wrote: >I'd say John's figures are a little skewed IME. I used to do some net >dating when I got tired of being desperately lonely. I'd say of all the >contacts I made, perhaps 10% actually wrote back, I'm sure that this figure is highly dependent upon how quic

Re: Top 10 SF Characters

2003-01-29 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Deborah Harrell wrote: > > Favorite characters: > Gailet (I forget her last name) Jones > Kira Nerese Uh? I thought she was Kira _Neris_ > Tom (not Bombadil, but Gillian's, of the Streaker) Tom Orley > Non-sentients: > Tribbles (oh, definitely! Just don't want to actually

Re: upstream censorship: AOL

2003-01-29 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool wrote: > > AOL has been blocking access to this website. In fact, > AOL has been blocking adults from this website. > America Online is a prime example of corporate fascism. > Uh? I can't see this correlation. Does AOL block any non-AOL site for non-AOL users? If you use AOL "s

Re: Top 10 SF Characters Rankled

2003-01-29 Thread G. D. Akin
Okay, here are a few. Lazarus Long Jubal Harshaw Cadmann Weyland Dan Forrester Robinette Broadhead Elijah Baley / R. Daneel Olivaw Joe Amalfi Captain Nemo Fiban Karellen Louis Wu William Mandella Miles Vorkosigan Paul Atreides Billy Pilgrim Malacha Constant Okay, I'll stop. George A __

Re: Top 10 SF Characters

2003-01-29 Thread G. D. Akin
Without reading anymore of the posts I received after this, I expand upon your question and ask "and the science in any of those is what?" George A - Original Message - From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:13 AM Subject: RE: To