High-voltage lines, negative ions and rats

2004-02-12 Thread The Fool
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/159773_ratzone07.html High-voltage lines, negative ions and rats Tests show how personal toxic cloud of ozone is created By TOM PAULSON SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER Based on experiments involving rats and ozone, scientists at the Pacific Northwest

Anatomy of a rape culture

2004-02-12 Thread The Fool
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/001248.html ... So what does cause rape? Or, put another way, if we can agree that we live in a rape culture (defined as a culture in which rape is prevalent and is maintained through fundamental attitudes and beliefs about gender, sexuality, and violence), then what

Re: Another Microsoft flaw

2004-02-12 Thread William T Goodall
On 11 Feb 2004, at 2:20 pm, William T Goodall wrote: Shouldn't using Windows to run anything other than games constitute culpable negligence? It is quite obvious that Windows security is fundamentally broken and that Microsoft is incapable of fixing it. So using Windows to store or process any

Is my father-in-law Jewish?

2004-02-12 Thread Dan Minette
Recurring discussions on Marx and anti-Semitism have raised some questions for me. My father-in-law's mother's family was Jewish, back in the 1800s. They converted to Christianity in that century before emmigrating to the US. Other parts of the family did not convert, and remained in Germany

Voting Machines Comprised in Election Simulation

2004-02-12 Thread Julia Thompson
http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=1305 Short article with links. First paragraph: RABA Technologies, at the request of the state of Maryland, has issued a report about the state’s Diebold voting systems, ATM-style DRE terminals using smart

Are ad honomin attacks ever justified?

2004-02-12 Thread Dan Minette
There's a good general rule about attacking the idea put forth by someone, not the person. But, I've noticed that we all make exceptions to that rule. I was musing on when those exceptions are justified, and when they are not. Let me ask a number of questions: If a preacher regularly preaches

another item

2004-02-12 Thread d.brin
Hi folks. Thought I'd share this. http://www.maconareaonline.com/news.asp?id=5831 In fact, I do not blame W. How could I. He was probably not involved in this decision, since the 9/11 attacks disrupted the longest idle US presidential vacation in living memory.

Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish?

2004-02-12 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 2/12/2004 11:52:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Recurring discussions on Marx and anti-Semitism have raised some questions for me. My father-in-law's mother's family was Jewish, back in the 1800s. They converted to Christianity in that century before

Re: Are ad honomin attacks ever justified?

2004-02-12 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 2/12/2004 12:40:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would also, personally, like more arguments based on reason, and fewer on emotion. I get emotional too, don't get me wrong. But, I enjoy trying to find what the best solution is more than simply

Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish?

2004-02-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 4:01 PM Subject: Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish? There is a saying in Christianity that no one has faith like a convert. People who use to be X, but are now Y are often the

Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish?

2004-02-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 4:01 PM Subject: Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish? There is a saying in Christianity that no one has faith

A New Form of Matter: II

2004-02-12 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/12feb_fermi.htm?list1119125 The sixth state of matter. xponent Not Three? Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Bill O'Reilly apologizes for backing Iraq war

2004-02-12 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040211204252.aeycez8m.html Bill O'Reilly, the news commentator who has called his legions of fans to boycott France and any other nation that opposed the war in Iraq, said he now regrets his support for the conflict. The Fox News Channel's conservative talk-show host

Move completed...

2004-02-12 Thread Deborah Harrell
...now comes the unpacking and putting away! *After* I catch up on some sleep (3 nights skipped in the past 8 days blecth!); I _would_ manage to be moving in the worst storm so far this winter season... They predicted a couple of inches of snow for yesterday; it was closer to a *foot* in the

RE: Anatomy of a rape culture

2004-02-12 Thread Travis Edmunds
How about freedom? -Travis as a cause I mean Edmunds From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xBrin-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Anatomy of a rape culture Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 02:57:08 -0600 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/001248.html ... So what

Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish?

2004-02-12 Thread William T Goodall
On 12 Feb 2004, at 10:44 pm, Dan Minette wrote: So, given the answer to your question, why would one refute the concept that Marx was anti-Semitic by referring to his Jewish family? I'll agree that this thesis still has to be proven from text, and that many writings of Marx can be used in such

RE: Are ad honomin attacks ever justified?

2004-02-12 Thread Travis Edmunds
Nice sentiments Dan. But how can we avoid angst? How can we avoid emotion? Especially since we are, to a fairly large degree, governed by our emotions. -Travis one things lead to another... Edmunds Meaning that, no matter what one says, it always opens up at least one more door. From: Dan

Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish?

2004-02-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish? On 12 Feb 2004, at 10:44 pm, Dan Minette wrote: So, given the answer to your question, why

A little humor.

2004-02-12 Thread Travis Edmunds
The Pillsbury Doughboy died yesterday of a yeast infection and complications from repeated pokes in the belly. He was 71. Doughboy was buried in a lightly greased coffin. Dozens of celebrities turned out to pay their respects, including Mrs. Butterworth, Hungry Jack, the California Raisins,

Re: Anatomy of a rape culture

2004-02-12 Thread The Fool
From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about freedom? -Travis as a cause I mean Edmunds Don't top-post. Ever. Is 'freedom' one of dr Brins 4 memes? No. Perhaps you should go find out what these 4 memes are if you are going to post on a Brin list? Rapists rape for many reasons.

Maybe the truth will set him free

2004-02-12 Thread Kevin Tarr
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNewsstoryID=4319003 U.S. Engineer Gets 7-Year Sentence in Taliban Case Mon February 9, 2004 05:43 PM ET By Teresa Carson PORTLAND, Ore. (Reuters) - A former software engineer who stunned friends and co-workers by admitting he tried to fight

Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish?

2004-02-12 Thread Dan Minette
Then there is the question of what it means to be anti-semetic. There is a teacher here localy who stated: And what are they doing with the Palestinians every day? They're killing them. They're doing the same thing that was done to them It's exactly like what Hitler did to the Jews.

Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish?

2004-02-12 Thread William T Goodall
On 13 Feb 2004, at 12:29 am, Dan Minette wrote: Not just Jewish grandparents, Jewish parents too, and Jewish brothers and sisters, and Jewish children. His dad didn't convert to Christianity? Yes, and Karl was an atheist. Does that mean he couldn't be Jewish too? There are plenty of atheist

Re:_Brïn:_LotR_and_Conservatives_[Attn_ Debbi]

2004-02-12 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:22 PM 1/30/04, Deborah Harrell wrote: Forbidding saving of the mother's life in favor of the unborn, if the mother's life is at stake (unless they've amended that since last I looked?) Is that exactly what it says, or is that a

Re: Anatomy of a rape culture

2004-02-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
It's a free country and I'll top-post if I want to . . . At 06:23 PM 2/12/04, The Fool wrote: From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about freedom? -Travis as a cause I mean Edmunds Don't top-post. Ever. Is 'freedom' one of dr Brins 4 memes? No. Perhaps you should go find out what

Re: Anatomy of a rape culture

2004-02-12 Thread Travis Edmunds
Excuse me? From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anatomy of a rape culture Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:23:57 -0600 From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about freedom? -Travis as a cause I

Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish?

2004-02-12 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 2/12/2004 5:35:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, given the answer to your question, why would one refute the concept that Marx was anti-Semitic by referring to his Jewish family? I'll agree that this thesis still has to be proven from text, and

Re: Maybe the truth will set him free

2004-02-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 07:40:50PM -0500, Kevin Tarr wrote: Will apologies from the list be forthcoming also? Do you mean to imply that his due-process rights were not violated? -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___

Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish?

2004-02-12 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jan wrote: Also, to understand ones disfavor one must put it in historical context. In the 17 1800s there was much disdane for Jewish comunities becouse they did something specific that was considered at the time to be immoral. They lent or barrowed money for intrest. Now we do not think

Re: Is my father-in-law Jewish?

2004-02-12 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: There is a saying in Christianity that no one has faith like a convert. People who use to be X, but are now Y are often the strongest in condemming those who are still X. I don't think this is just a Christian phenomenon. Ha. Like ex-smokers. -- Doug Smoke free for ~15 years. 8^)

Re: another item

2004-02-12 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:05:10 -0800, d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks. Thought I'd share this. http://www.maconareaonline.com/news.asp?id=5831 In fact, I do not blame W. How could I. He was probably not involved in this decision, since the 9/11 attacks disrupted the longest idle US

Microsoft Source Code Leaked Over Web

2004-02-12 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040213/D80M46CO1.html Microsoft Corp. said late Thursday that portions of its Windows source code - the tightly guarded blueprints of its dominant operating system - had been leaked over the Internet. Microsoft spokesman Tom Pilla said in an interview with The

Re: another item

2004-02-12 Thread John D. Giorgis
That's almost too incredible to believe. If this is at all true then the Bush administration is at the very least indirectly responsible for the 9/11 attacks. And I am sure that a story of this magnitude is being broken by the crack reporters of the Macon Daily. JDG

Re: Anatomy of a rape culture

2004-02-12 Thread David Land
Fool: Don't use absolutes. Ever. Allow me to say that Top-posting is no worse than bottom-only-posting. In my brief sojourn here, I have observed that most people practice and prefer a more sophisticated intralinear style of posting. Perhaps you'd like to attack bottom-posters, too, for

Re: Anatomy of a rape culture

2004-02-12 Thread The Fool
From: David Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fool: Don't use absolutes. Ever. Allow me to say that Top-posting is no worse than bottom-only-posting. Top-posting is never acceptable in any forum of communication, email, newsgroup, weblog, or otherwise. In my brief sojourn here, I have observed

Re: Anatomy of a rape culture

2004-02-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:59 PM Subject: Re: Anatomy of a rape culture From: David Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fool: Don't use absolutes. Ever. Allow me to say that

Introducing Fenris

2004-02-12 Thread Michael Harney
Hello, I am Fenris, the culmination of Michael's Nightmares. I've come here today to make an announcement. Michael has no further interest in the bulk of this discussion. It seems that reading the constant/perpetual political discussions (in quotes to denote sarcasm as those so-called

Re: Introducing Fenris

2004-02-12 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 2/12/2004 10:35:15 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fenris P.S. No, I have not gone completely insane, I just find it easier to say certain things in a character other than myself at times (three years of Theater in High School will do that to

Re: Anatomy of a rape culture

2004-02-12 Thread The Fool
From: David Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fool, Replying off-line. Top-posting is never acceptable in any forum of communication, email, newsgroup, weblog, or otherwise. You are wrong. What is acceptable is determined by general agreement o the parties concerned, and not by how loud one

Re: Introducing Fenris

2004-02-12 Thread Michael Harney
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Introducing Fenris In a message dated 2/12/2004 10:35:15 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fenris P.S. No, I have not gone

Re: Anatomy of a rape culture

2004-02-12 Thread Doug Pensinger
The Fool wrote: It's wrong, wrong, wrong. It's Bad Netiquette. etc. etc. But you know, Fool, its not as if he led his country into war under false pretenses. 8^) Next time, how a bout a friendly, off list message letting him know what he's doing wrong and why. -- Doug

Re: Anatomy of a rape culture

2004-02-12 Thread Bryon Daly
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] It Destroys _All Context_ in a conversation. Not necessarily. Though I prefer the interleaved style, at my work, the most common practice is top-posting, particularly in regards to things like cross-department email threads. The one big benefit I see is that