Re: Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites

2002-12-18 Thread Doug Pensinger
d.brin wrote: While I couldn't agree more with the statement, am I wrong in my perception that the present administration has in it's sights the compromising of said revolution? Doug The revolution has worse enemies than romantics. The old feudalists are always lurking. Always scheming.

RE: Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites

2002-12-17 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Jim Sharkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marvin Long, Jr. wrote: > >http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2002/12/17/tolkien_brin/index.html > >By now a familiar theme, but very well expressed -- > it's been fun > >watch it get refined over the last couple of years. > > You know, I still hold fast

Re: Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites

2002-12-17 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 01:21 PM 12/17/02 -0800, d.brin wrote: The revolution has worse enemies than romantics. The old feudalists are always lurking. Always scheming. Can you define your terms? What is an old feudalist? I assume you are using the term (incorrectly) as a pejorative? Damon. Those who want a retu

1984 (was: Re: Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites)

2002-12-17 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 13:21 17-12-2002 -0800, David Brin wrote: Can you define your terms? What is an old feudalist? I assume you are using the term (incorrectly) as a pejorative? Those who want a return to pyramid-shaped hierarchical/inherited social orders. Then would you consider the society as depicted in O

Re: Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites

2002-12-17 Thread Damon
Those who want a return to pyramid-shaped hierarchical/inherited social orders. Yes, yes, I know that some pedants will define 'feudalism' narrowly to restrict it to a strictly Tenth Century European system of obligation exchanges between feif-holders and vassals. Snore. Boring to YOU. But

Re: Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites

2002-12-17 Thread d.brin
The revolution has worse enemies than romantics. The old feudalists are always lurking. Always scheming. Can you define your terms? What is an old feudalist? I assume you are using the term (incorrectly) as a pejorative? Damon. Those who want a return to pyramid-shaped hierarchical/inherited

Re: Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites

2002-12-17 Thread Damon
The revolution has worse enemies than romantics. The old feudalists are always lurking. Always scheming. Can you define your terms? What is an old feudalist? I assume you are using the term (incorrectly) as a pejorative? Damon. Da

Re: Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites

2002-12-17 Thread d.brin
While I couldn't agree more with the statement, am I wrong in my perception that the present administration has in it's sights the compromising of said revolution? Doug The revolution has worse enemies than romantics. The old feudalists are always lurking. Always scheming. Be afraid.

RE: Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites

2002-12-17 Thread just john
>>Jim says >>At its core, LotR is about the little guy standing up and doing >>what's right. Gandalf and Aragorn don't defeat Sauron. A hobbit >>does. > > >This is a core element of storytelling that cannot be eliminated. I >have written extensively that Suspicion of Authority SOA is the core >w

Re: Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites

2002-12-17 Thread Doug Pensinger
d.brin wrote: Hi folks. The version of my essay on Tolkien now up at: http://salon.com/ent/feature/2002/12/17/tolkien_brin/index.html is a shortened version. nice cover art! The longer, more erudite version, going into HG Wells and such, is at http://www.davidbrin.com/tolkienarticle1.html

Re: Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites

2002-12-16 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/16/2002 9:29:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2002/12/17/tolkien_brin/index.html When I saw this post, I immediately said, "What football game?" >click< ::read:: >I wish Tolkien could have lived to see how easi

RE: Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites

2002-12-16 Thread d.brin
Jim says At its core, LotR is about the little guy standing up and doing what's right. Gandalf and Aragorn don't defeat Sauron. A hobbit does. This is a core element of storytelling that cannot be eliminated. I have written extensively that Suspicion of Authority SOA is the core western my

RE: Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites

2002-12-16 Thread d.brin
Hi folks. The version of my essay on Tolkien now up at: http://salon.com/ent/feature/2002/12/17/tolkien_brin/index.html is a shortened version. nice cover art! The longer, more erudite version, going into HG Wells and such, is at http://www.davidbrin.com/tolkienarticle1.html Now to prepare f

RE: Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites

2002-12-16 Thread Jim Sharkey
Marvin Long, Jr. wrote: >http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2002/12/17/tolkien_brin/index.html >By now a familiar theme, but very well expressed -- it's been fun >watch it get refined over the last couple of years. You know, I still hold fast to my belief that the good Doctor manages to spectacula

Brin: Tossing a Tytlal down the pants of the romantic elites

2002-12-16 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2002/12/17/tolkien_brin/index.html By now a familiar theme, but very well expressed -- it's been fun watch it get refined over the last couple of years. Marvin Long Austin, Texas Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Poindexter & Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly the USA)