Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-12-07 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 02:49 PM 12/6/02 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: who once used an 8-sider to determine sides for a Trivial Pursuit game I have a pair of 10-sided dice (one labelled 0-9, the other 00-90) that I keep in a pocket in my grade book. Sometimes, e.g., when I am giving back a test that everyone co

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-12-06 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 12/6/2002 1:42:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > You wouldn't believe what was kept in the old Pringles can. > > > > Do I want to *know* what was kept in the old Pringles can? :) > > > > Dan had one of those 20-

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-12-06 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/6/2002 1:42:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > You wouldn't believe what was kept in the old Pringles can. > > Do I want to *know* what was kept in the old Pringles can? :) > > Dan had one of those 20-sided ones that were just numbered 0 to

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-12-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronald Blankenship wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > > > > > Julia &

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-12-06 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 11/24/2002 7:25:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > A person who puts dice in their juicebox is preadolescent. > > > > > > Okay, Mr. Smarty, where do you keep your dice between games? > > > > D&D die were kept in a

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-30 Thread Horn, John
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Ultra-radical fast food terrorists kidnap the mayor of St. > Louis. Will be > released once the Gateway Arch is painted bright yellow. Then the giant mirror will be built just next to it. - jmh _

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-29 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I advocate logic. Religion is illogical. I want > people to understand > just how illogical their idiocy is. I want people > who undertand that > religion is idiocy, to stop having religion and stop > trying to force idiocy on other people. Do you kno

Re: Civil War (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-28 Thread Doug
Nick Arnett wrote: Slavery wasn't an end unto itself, however. Surely there is little disagreement that the South's desire to preserve slavery was motivated by the economics of operating plantations. No, and don't call me Shirley. 8^) Seriously, I would disagree wholeheartedly with that s

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-28 Thread The Fool
> From: Jim Sharkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Fool wrote: > > >C. I am not preventing anyone from enslaving their mind to idiocy, > >F. I think forcing a way of life/thinking on someone else is wrong. > > And yet the title of this thread from the very beginning is "religion is evil, why it must

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Jim Sharkey
The Fool wrote: >C. I am not preventing anyone from enslaving their mind to idiocy, >F. I think forcing a way of life/thinking on someone else is wrong. And yet the title of this thread from the very beginning is "religion is evil, why it must be eradicated." Seems to me that if you had your

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread The Fool
> From: Jim Sharkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Just a general question for the Fool, after hours of reading the volumes of discussion here: > > Posts you've made in the past suggest you have an almost rabid love for Free Speech. Doesn't your position on religion, et. al. strike you as even a little h

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Jim Sharkey
Just a general question for the Fool, after hours of reading the volumes of discussion here: Posts you've made in the past suggest you have an almost rabid love for Free Speech. Doesn't your position on religion, et. al. strike you as even a little hypocritical? Or is it that free speech and

Re: Civil War (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 05:46 AM 11/27/2002 -0600 Ronn! Blankenship wrote: >At 10:48 PM 11/25/02 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: >>if you're south of the Mason-Dixon line, the War Between the States > > >Wrong. > >It's called "The War of Northern Aggression." In Boston, they call it "The Rebellion" - which is more accurate,

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
"K. Feete" wrote: > Superstition and irrational beliefs occur with or without religion. > Witness Skinner's "superstitious" pigeons, or my conviction that > mentioning the fact that it's raining if I want it to rain will make the > rain stop. > I thought that's what umbrellas are for. Bring one

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Dan Minette wrote: > One needs to look at sources that support one's view with the same critical > eye as those that oppose it. Technique is a good starting point. I think that that is scientifically incorrect. You first need to try to disprove your own point in all possible ways to be able to p

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/27/2002 2:43:39 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Should the Democratic party be eradicated because of the illegal actions >of Bill Clinton? [I think they're doing a good enough job of that all by themselves.] [and don't forget Hillary.] Willi

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Jeroen wrote: > > > > However, given the worship of the Almighty Dollar by > > some people, one cannot help but wonder if Capitalism > > qualifies as a religion... :-) > > > Not Capitalism, but just one perverted sect of capitalism > that believes that the dollar is wor

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
The Fool wrote: > > From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Reggie Bautista asked: > > > > > >Kneem, should the Republican party be eradicated because of the > illegal > > >actions of Richard Nixon? Should the Democratic party be eradicated > because > > >of the illegal actions of Bi

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread The Fool
> From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 04:59 PM 11/25/2002 -0600 The Fool wrote: > >> Hum. The dark ages, IIRC, were a result of invading barbarians > >destroying > >> a weakened Rome. The Catholic Church helped preserve what knowledge was > > > >> left and bring them to the end. > > >

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread The Fool
> From: Bryon Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Fool - Isn't "religion is evil" a rather broad statement? Do you really No. It is an exact statement. > believe ALL religions are inherently evil? Do no religions do any good for Yes. > the world so that they must all be eradicated? No, yes. >

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Reggie Bautista
The Fool quoted a bunch of biblical quotes to show how the Bible endorses slavery and the divine right of kings. My reply: This is why a literal interpretation of the Bible is problematic at best. For each of these passages, there are other passages that can be quoted that contradict them (I

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread The Fool
> From: Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > Behalf Of The Fool > > ... > > > > conquestadors, slavery, apartheid, and feudal systems were political > > and > > > > conquistadors: conquer, take gold, convert to catholicism. Notice how > >

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread The Fool
> From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Fool wrote: > > > > No. Which exactly my point. If I can't prove my own > > existence I also can't prove god's existence. > > Math exists whether god, the universe, > > consciousness, I, etc. exist. Math is the only thing > > that is tr

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-27 Thread Horn, John
> From: K. Feete [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Yes, but, as Searle and Merleau-Ponty are both so fond of Merleau-Ponty? Isn't that that English comedy team that did all those TV shows and movies??? - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo

Re: Civil War (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-27 Thread Richard Baker
Ronn said: > It's called "The War of Northern Aggression." Didn't the US Civil War start with the Confederacy firing on Fort Sumter? And wouldn't that make it "The War of Southern Aggression"? Rich GCU Hazy Knowledge ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailm

Re: Civil War (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-27 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 10:48 PM 11/25/02 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: if you're south of the Mason-Dixon line, the War Between the States Wrong. It's called "The War of Northern Aggression." ;-) --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last.

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Julia Thompson
Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > > > Of course, as a conservative, my odds of actually > > > getting an academic job are essentially zero, but > > > that's the way these things work nowadays... > > > > > > Gautam > > > > You're just in the wrong field . . . > > -- Ronn! :) > > True - in economics or the

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Namaste whether you like it or not. Well, I like it, so thank you. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Julia Thompson
Doug wrote: > > Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > > > > > >Why did Kamikaze Pilots wear helmets Maru > > > I don't know. To protect them from loose objects in the cockpit? To > keep the hair out of their eyes? To keep their ears warm? > > Doug > > 8^) To attach the goggles more firmly to their h

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Julia Thompson
"Ronn! Blankenship" wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:40 PM > Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > > > Juli

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Julia Thompson
"Ronn! Blankenship" wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > > > > >

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:59 AM 11/26/02 -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > Of course, as a conservative, my odds of actually > > getting an academic job are essentially zero, but > > that's the way these things work nowadays... > > > > Gautam > > You're just in the wrong field . . . > -- Ronn! :) True - in economics

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Gautam Mukunda
> > Of course, as a conservative, my odds of actually > > getting an academic job are essentially zero, but > > that's the way these things work nowadays... > > > > Gautam > > You're just in the wrong field . . . > -- Ronn! :) True - in economics or the hard sciences I'd be fine. Well, probably.

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread J . v . Baardwijk
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Verzonden: dinsdag 26 november 2002 6:36 > Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Onderwerp: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > Well, as a statement, I find this particularly unconvinci

RE: Civil War (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-26 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Nick Arnett wrote: > Slavery wasn't an end unto itself, however. Slavery was an end in itself because self-aggrandizement is an end in itself, and in the South the two were flip sides of the same coin. This does not mean it was not also a means to other ends. But one rac

RE: Civil War (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-26 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Doug > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:50 PM ... > That's the succinct answer. Obviously it is difficult to accurately > summarize the determinant of any great human conflict in a few > sentences,

Re: Just Have Faith Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-26 Thread Erik Reuter
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 12:19:57AM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: > >> To me, a religion is any system of thought or ideaology in which, > >> when you start asking questions, you soon reach the point where you > >> have no choice but to passively accept what you are told: "take my > >> word for it"

Re: Civil War (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-25 Thread Doug
Nick Arnett wrote: I wasn't, so please amplify. I was a lousy history student. I've made up for a lot of that in regard to the Renaissance and Reformation, but not U.S. history, I fear. What *was* the Civil War (or, if you're south of the Mason-Dixon line, the War Between the States) about?

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 10:40:37 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in reply to this: > >The catholic church did ten times as much damage as the sacking of Rome > >ever did. -- > Well, as a statement, I find this particularly unconvincing. Perhaps you > should try

Re: Just Have Faith Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 10:39:09 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Like when I ask "How did the singularity that preceded the Big Bang get > there?" ;-) Call forwarding? ;-) Why just one Big Bang? Go for Star Maker and Bang infinitum. William Taylor ---

Civil War (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-25 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Doug ... > >>Slavery was ever aided and abetted by the bible, the bible says slavery > >>is OK, tells how to mark slaves, how to treat slaves, how to > sell slaves, > >>how to free slaves (except femal

RE: Kindness (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-25 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Adam C. Lipscomb ... > Jeroen, I'd like to apologize for suggesting that you're funnier than > Jerry Lewis. You're still funnier than Carrot Top and Pauly Shore, > though. Not in a bad way, though.

Catholic View of Sex Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:34 PM 11/24/2002 -0500 K. Feete wrote: >I'm living with a girl who's strongly Catholic right now. I don't >understand her, and she doesn't understand me, but we've learned which >subjects to avoid (sex is the biggie) and we get along very well. Why do you avoid this topic? My best frien

Colombia Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 08:31 PM 11/24/2002 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: >ROTFLMAO. Colombia, is not in Arsecrack Alabama. My daughter turned down >a full scholarship + living money at Yale because Colombia it was a better >school. :-) University of Bogota or of Cartagena? ;-) JDG _

Verifying the US Constitution Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 07:39 PM 11/24/2002 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: >> The US Constitution has been subject to hundreds of years of >> verification. It seems to work fairly well. On the other hand, the right of Congress to declare war has been eviscerated, the limitations on the powers of Congress in article II have

Just Have Faith Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread John D. Giorgis
>> To me, a religion is any system of thought or ideaology in which, when >> you start asking questions, you soon reach the point where you have no >> choice but to passively accept what you are told: "take my word for it" >> or "just have faith". Like when I ask "How did the singularity that prec

Re: Kindness (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-25 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Nick wrote: > I'm not sure if that was meant kindly or not, so I'll take advantage of the > ambiguity to mention that your list administrators will endeavor to be fair > in protecting *everyone* from personal attacks, regardless of whether or not > they happen to be moderated, new, old, or a Hugo a

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Doug
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Why did Kamikaze Pilots wear helmets Maru I don't know. To protect them from loose objects in the cockpit? To keep the hair out of their eyes? To keep their ears warm? Doug 8^) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/l

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Doug
Nick Arnett wrote: Slavery was ever aided and abetted by the bible, the bible says slavery is OK, tells how to mark slaves, how to treat slaves, how to sell slaves, how to free slaves (except female slaves). It was the religious who used the bible as justification for slavery in the south, befo

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: K. Feete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Brin-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > > Burning at the stake was an accepted criminal punishment, not > particularly

RE: Kindness (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-25 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Erik Reuter > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:43 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Kindness (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be > eradicated) > > > On M

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Bryon Daly
The Fool - Isn't "religion is evil" a rather broad statement? Do you really believe ALL religions are inherently evil? Do no religions do any good for the world so that they must all be eradicated? As for the Crusades: http://www.angelfire.com/ky/dodone/Crusades.html . It took quite long, but I

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Erik Reuter wrote: > The Zippo might be more effective than the knife. Just lure it into a > tar/petroleum pit and light! Not bad! I like the Japanese version, by way of Usagi Yojimbo, that involves getting all the heads stinking drunk first, then killing the beast at one'

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: William Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > In a message dated 11/25/2002 2:34:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > > From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > From: "The Fool"

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > > - Original Message - > From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > The Fool wrote: > > > > Are you trying to push godels theorem here? >

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > Dan Minette wrote: > > > > - Original Message - > > F

Re: Kindness (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 05:24:31PM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: > ambiguity to mention that your list administrators will endeavor to > be fair in protecting *everyone* from personal attacks, regardless of > whether or not I didn't ask for your "protection" or censorship, so please don't include me

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > > From: Ronald Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > From: Erik Reuter <

Kindness (was RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated)

2002-11-25 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Adam C. Lipscomb > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:48 PM ... > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA > > Comedy gold, sir. You really ought to take this act on tour. I mean, > you make Jerry Lewis l

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > > Of course, as a conservative, my odds of actually > getting an academic job

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
I wrote: > > I have friends who suffer from Broncoism (Denver) > and > Tigerism (Louisiana State University): these > conditions affect their dress (picture grandma in > tiger-striped leotards), their pocketbooks (how many > families of four can afford an evening at the > Diaphragm - excuse me, I

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread William T Goodall
on 25/11/02 2:31 am, Dan Minette at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Why must I use your definition? Yes, you found a theologian, at a minor > school that agreed with you. >> >> A professor with a Chair at Oxford University? > > No, actually I was talking about the guy at Santa Barbara. The guy at

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
> From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Fool wrote: > > > >I think this is backwards from reality. Read His _Otherness_. Then > >consider two societies, the free west and thought police of the middle > >east, like saudi arabia. Which one bans things like pokemon? Freedom > >from the

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quoted: > "...Second, Marxism can be called a > quasi-religion insofar as it calls from its > followers a devotion and a > commitment that in their empirical character greatly > resemble the commitment > and devotion that characterize religious people. >

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Russell Chapman
Alberto Monteiro wrote: And our elected vice-President belongs to a party that is _controlled_ by the worst kind of Protestantism: those that worship Mammon. How do you elect a socialist president and a vice president who worhips Mammon at the same time? Aren't they diammetrically opposed to

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool wrote: > >conquistadors: conquer, take gold, convert to catholicism. Notice how >most of south America is adamantly catholic? > BTW, are you aware that Brazil is quickly becoming the biggest ex-Catholic country in the world? I guess if you count people that regularly go to Church, the Pr

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool wrote: > >I think this is backwards from reality. Read His _Otherness_. Then >consider two societies, the free west and thought police of the middle >east, like saudi arabia. Which one bans things like pokemon? Freedom >from the thought control of religion allows this 'otherness' meme

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Jeroen asked: > At 20:30 24-11-2002 -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: > > >Should the Internet be banned because some people send out spam? > > Should Internet discussion groups be banned because some people resort to > personal attacks when they cannot win an argument? > > Jeroen "Corruption delend

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 05:13:24PM -0500, K. Feete wrote: > Oops. And me an English major. It was late, okay? > And I have trouble with these things... damned effect and affect That's awl write. Loose the affective righters, ewe set lose the left! -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 4:00:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > The crusades: initiated by popes (in some of them): bringing the cross to > the unbelievers, and retaking the holy land, in particular jerusalem. But by way of Constantinople one time. I was try

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
> From: K. Feete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Fool wrote: > > >No. Which exactly my point. If I can't prove my own existence I also > >can't prove god's existence. Math exists whether god, the universe, > >consciousness, I, etc. exist. Math is the only thing that is > >transcendent. And those m

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread William T Goodall
on 25/11/02 12:18 am, Alberto Monteiro at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Richard Baker wrote: >> >>> Questionable. Communist might be considered a kind of religion, as >>> some of its dogmas are based on faith. >> >> It explicitly rejects supernatural explanations though. >> > Some religions als

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of The Fool ... > > conquestadors, slavery, apartheid, and feudal systems were political > and > > conquistadors: conquer, take gold, convert to catholicism. Notice how > most of south America is adamant

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Reggie Bautista
Kat Feete wrote: Therefore, Kant concludes, math is *not* transcendant; it requires reference to the material world and expression through it, and is therefore, as Merleau-Ponty will argue a century or so later, affected and defined, like all things, by our worldview and our subjective conciousnes

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 3:12:22 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Screw eradicating religion. Let's eradicate politics and economics. It's not yet economical to eradicate politicians, but the Internet is certainly taking us in that direction. I'd rather have a on

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Erik Reuter
Marvin's back! On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:46:07AM -0600, Marvin Long, Jr. wrote: > It'll be like trying to kill Hydra with a Swiss Army knife and a > Zippo. The Zippo might be more effective than the knife. Just lure it into a tar/petroleum pit and light! -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
> From: K. Feete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Lets look at a couple of things religion brought us in the past before we > >examine this question. We have: the dark ages, the crusades, the Spanish > >inquisition, the divine right of kings, jihad, forced religious > >convers

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread K. Feete
The Fool wrote: >No. Which exactly my point. If I can't prove my own existence I also >can't prove god's existence. Math exists whether god, the universe, >consciousness, I, etc. exist. Math is the only thing that is >transcendent. And those math proofs do exist. Yes, but, as Searle and Merl

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
> From: K. Feete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 09:34:11PM -0500, K. Feete wrote: > >> I'm actually preparing to write a scifi story where the government has > >> outlawed religious expression (along with any racial references > >> whatsoever). The p

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread K. Feete
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Lets look at a couple of things religion brought us in the past before we >examine this question. We have: the dark ages, the crusades, the Spanish >inquisition, the divine right of kings, jihad, forced religious >conversions, thought crimes AKA heresy, caste systems, re

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread K. Feete
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 09:34:11PM -0500, K. Feete wrote: >> I'm actually preparing to write a scifi story where the government has >> outlawed religious expression (along with any racial references >> whatsoever). The point being that a) it doesn't work and b) they liv

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > > From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > From: "The

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 2:34:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hope that isn't a rose -- I'm allergic. > I'll make it a Carnation. An ice cream carnation, since Carnation is an old establised AZ brandname. Pink candycane flavored ice cream top, green cake ici

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Julia Thompson wrote: > Logic is a pretty flower that smells bad. > > Julia Pbbbt! :-) Marvin "off to clean the keyboard now" Long Austin, Texas Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly the USA) __

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
> From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Fool wrote: > > > Formal logic is all computer scientist / programmers do. All formal > > logic system must have one [or more] axiom, but in math we keep that one > > axiom very very simple. > > What's the simplest one [or more] axiom you can bas

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: > Formal logic is all computer scientist / programmers do. All formal > logic system must have one [or more] axiom, but in math we keep that one > axiom very very simple. What's the simplest one [or more] axiom you can base a system on? Julia

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Julia Thompson wrote: > > As theorems go, that could be a difficult one to push. > Proof of the quadratic equation, now, that's an easier > pill to swallow. > I once tryed to push the cubic equation (Cardano's theft from Tartaglia) to a younger friend with mathematical skills. He's a shrin

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > a slight exaggeration. They existed from at least 1200's and annually > > killed [estimation] somewhere between 30k-50k people / year. It could > > actually be higher or lower than that. It comes out it the

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: > > Are you trying to push godels theorem here? Now, *there's* something I'd like to see -- theorem pushers. :) As theorems go, that could be a difficult one to push. Proof of the quadratic equation, now, that's an easier pill to swallow. Julia who contributed to a dr

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > So, Marxism isn't a religion, because a Marxist will argue for his > > > > > "scientific proof of the dialect

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 11/25/2002 2:16:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Logic is a pretty flower that smells bad. > > > > Julia > > Ah. Perverted minds think alike. Why, thank you for the compliment! :) > ~~~{~~~@ to Julia. > > W

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > That's not the point. They could in fact get to those proofs, even > > if > > > > they do not do so, t

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 2:16:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Logic is a pretty flower that smells bad. > > Julia Ah. Perverted minds think alike. ~~~{~~~@ to Julia. William Taylor - "Achoo." [Damn allergies.] _

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > > a slight exaggeration. They existed from at least 1200's and annuall

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 2:01:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What is logic? I liked Spok's answerbut I can't say I remember it exactly. Something like: Logic is a beautiful flower--that smells awful. William Taylor - Let's use timetrav

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > > From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > From: "The F

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool wrote: > > No. Which exactly my point. If I can't prove my own > existence I also can't prove god's existence. > Math exists whether god, the universe, > consciousness, I, etc. exist. Math is the only thing > that is transcendent. And those math proofs do exist. > > This may

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated > > From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > From: "The

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