On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 18:24:56 -0600, Dan Minette
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Actually, there were steady state universe theories that were very
compatable with red shift being due to relative speed. The problem with
the steady state universe was, at first, how is matter being created
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On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 18:24:56 -0600, Dan Minette
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Actually, there were steady state
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A website that goes a bit more into depth is at:
http://bustard.phys.nd.edu/Phys171/lectures/cmbr.1.html
Dan wrote:
The freezing of the vacuum.
Freezing nothing turns into something, or did the vaccum have something in
it? If so, what, and where did it come from?
It requires the non-conservation of energy for which dEdt are many many
orders of magnitude greater than Planck's constant. If
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Dan wrote:
The freezing of the vacuum.
Freezing nothing turns into something, or did the vaccum have
Dan wrote:
http://bustard.phys.nd.edu/Phys171/lectures/cmbr.1.html
Thanks, helps a bit.
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Dan wrote:
Symmetry breaking dropped the vacuum to a lower energy state.
Symetry of what and what caused it to break?
No, I'll take your word for it. So matter can only be created when a
vacuum full of plasma freezes?
Energy was not createdit was just a state change.
What change
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Dan wrote:
Symmetry breaking dropped the vacuum to a lower energy state.
Symetry of what and what caused
Robert J. Chassell wrote:
But that was not the question. The question was more basic. There
were two hypotheses:
1. the universe did not begin
2. the universe began
(...)
Please tell me of other hypotheses besides `no-beginning' and `a
beginning'.
3. Many beginnings
4. Some
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Robert J. Chassell wrote:
But that was not the question. The question was more basic. There
were two
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evolution
So, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
I actually think there is an answer to this. :-)
Dan M
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Dan wrote:
Second, he misses the sociology of science completely. If he
were to
make the more limited claim that states that there increased
number of
anomalies that have to be explained in an ad hoc
Please tell me of other hypotheses besides `no-beginning' and `a
beginning'.
Expanding, not expanding are two. Cyclic states, vs. one big
bang. Single universe vs. muliverse. That should do off the top
of my head.
Expanding or not expanding does not deal with whether or
So, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
I actually think there is an answer to this. :-)
Yes. The answer must be the egg, if you figure that only changes in
blueprints (i.e., in the genes of living organisms) are passed on from
one generation to another. The entity was conceived
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So, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
I actually think there is an answer to this. :-)
Yes. The answer must
Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked,
... why spend any time at all trying the patch the theory up with
fantastic ideas like inflation and dark matter?
But that was not the question. The question was more basic. There
were two hypotheses:
1. the universe did not begin
2. the
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Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked,
... why spend any time at all trying the patch the theory up with
fantastic
Anyone know anything about this organizeation? Care to critique?
http://metaresearch.org/home.asp
From the Viewpoints page of that site, from the Meta Philosophy essay on
that page:
It has been my sad observation that by mid-career there are very few
professionals left truly working for
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Anyone know anything about this organizeation? Care to critique?
http://metaresearch.org/home.asp
I have
Dan wrote:
I have not heard of them before, but they sound like a lot of what I have
heard. I read what they said about the Big Bang, and they sound an awful
lot like the alternate thinkers who I've debated with on sci.physics.
They also sound a lot like creation scientists.
I'm guessing you
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Dan wrote:
I have not heard of them before, but they sound like a lot of what I
have
heard. I read what
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Uh-huhwhere do they consider the wealth of data supporting the big
bang? The tremendous links between
Dan wrote:
Second, he misses the sociology of science completely. If he were to
make the more limited claim that states that there increased number of
anomalies that have to be explained in an ad hoc manner indicates that
there may be serious limitations to our present theory, then he'd have
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Dan wrote:
Second, he misses the sociology of science completely. If he were to
make the more limited
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