And not bring it home and use it to decorate their front yard, or
convert it into a barbeque grill ..
On Sep 6, 2009, at 12:10 AM, Michael Harney wrote:
The lab hopes boaters out for the busy Labor Day weekend might spot
Waldo.
The best way to take control over a people and control them
An interesting article by Krugman appeared in the NYT magazine:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/magazine/06Economic-t.html?_r=4partner=rs
semc=rsspagewanted=all
http://tinyurl.com/kmtffm
In it he discusses how the ecconomists missed last year's bust. Not
surprising to anyone who's
Summary:
Krugman implies that most economists either believe in the simplistic
Keynesian theory, or the absurd efficient market theory. Neither
viewpoint was helpful in predicting the 2008 downturn. But Krugman
suggests that another theory, behavioral economics, may have useful
predictive
Actually, the best economic prediction I ever heard was in a song:
What goes up, must come down. Spinning wheel ,spiinnig around. Talk about your
troubles by the riverside. Ride a painted pony let the spinning wheel
And for the current decade, The party's over. It's time to call it a day.
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:23 AM, John Williamsjwilliams4...@gmail.com wrote:
DeLong (the other one) on health care costs and health insurance reform.
http://american.com/archive/2009/maybe-we-should-spend-more-on-healthcare
| So what should be done about healthcare costs? Many things,
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:23 AM, John Williamsjwilliams4...@gmail.com wrote:
DeLong (the other one) on health care costs and health insurance reform.
http://american.com/archive/2009/maybe-we-should-spend-more-on-healthcare
They changed the link. Here is the new one:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote:
The link was broken for me, but from what you quoted above it seems
we'd all need 2 or three insurance policies,
I'd love to have enough choice with health insurance to have multiple
policies tailored to my needs.
a medical
Original Message:
-
From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 12:46:44 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote:
The link was broken for me, but from
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Actually, that's not what the opposition to health care reform is coming
from.
Actually, consumer driven health care supporters are where some of the
opposition to additional government control of the
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
Aren't almost all companies worried about making money for
themselves? Seems to work out all right to me.
No, all companies aren't. I'm on the board of a $10 million company that
seeks to make not a cent of profit.
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
wrote:
Aren't almost all companies worried about making money for
themselves? Seems to work out all right to me.
No, all companies aren't. I'm on
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
No, that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about freedom to
choose what to do with one's money.
Me, too. Freedom for a nation to choose what to do with its money, just
like corporations and people are
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
How can you insist that for a nation to choose to provide health care to all
of its citizens is taking away freedom?
Taking away my money against my will and limiting my choices for what
kind of health care I can purchase
Even if everyone voted democratically to make some minority of people
slaves, that does not make slavery freedom.
Paying taxes != slavery. You are more than free to leave. You can't be
bought or sold.
Dan M.
mail2web -
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:21 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
How can you insist that for a nation to choose to provide health care to
all
of its citizens is taking away freedom?
Taking away my money
Original Message:
-
From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 14:00:11 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Actually,
John Williams wrote:
...
Taking away my money against my will and limiting my choices for what
kind of health care I can purchase is taking away my freedom of
choice.
...
John--
This is why I've quit talking with you about
health insurance. When pressed, your bottom
line seems to be taxation
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:37 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Even if everyone voted democratically to make some minority of people
slaves, that does not make slavery freedom.
Paying taxes != slavery. You are more than free to leave. You can't be
bought or sold.
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:42 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Now, you've argued that's its the intangibles that matter most,
Where have I written that?
The last time I brought up these data.
How about a quote?
___
Even if everyone voted democratically to make some minority of people
slaves, that does not make slavery freedom.
Paying taxes != slavery. You are more than free to leave. You can't be
bought or sold.
The principle under discussion was whether a democratic vote is
equivalent to freedom to
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
This is why I've quit talking with you about
health insurance. When pressed, your bottom
line seems to be taxation equals theft.
What I have written is that taxation (taking someone's money) limits a
person's freedom. That
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Actually, as David's post indicates, you are probably in a minority in
considering that the principal under discussion.
Actually, that was the principle under discussion with Nick. You
conveniently left
At 04:09 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM,
John Williams
jwilliams4...@gmail.com
wrote:
No, that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about freedom
to
choose what to do with one's money.
Me, too. Freedom for a nation to choose what to do with its
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
What I have written is that taxation (taking someone's money) limits a
person's freedom. That is obviously true.
There is nothing obviously true about it, except that the person is free of
paying taxes. That's not
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Ronn! Blankenship
ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Some people fear that government-run health care will feature all the
cleanliness and maintenance standards of Walter Reed combined with the
prompt service for which the DMV is famous and the compassion
At 04:42 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Original Message:
-
From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 14:00:11 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM,
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
wrote:
What I have written is that taxation (taking someone's money) limits a
person's freedom. That is obviously true.
There is nothing obviously
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:42 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
Say I have two $1 bills. I could choose to go to McDonald's and buy a
burger and fries.
Now someone takes one of my dollars.
Takes *how*?
Nothing like leaving out the critical element of the metaphor.
Nick
At 05:12 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
This is why I've quit talking with you about
health insurance. When pressed, your bottom
line seems to be taxation equals theft.
What I have written is that taxation
At 05:36 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM,
Ronn! Blankenship
ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Some people fear that government-run health care will feature all the
cleanliness and maintenance standards of Walter Reed combined with the
prompt service
Original Message:
-
From: Ronn! Blankenship ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 17:27:28 -0500
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
br
Some people fear that government-run health care will feature all the
cleanliness and
On Sep 6, 2009, at 4:21 PM, John Williams wrote:
Taking away my money against my will and limiting my choices for what
kind of health care I can purchase is taking away my freedom of
choice.
Freedom of choice is never absolute. And it is always limited by the
need to balance that freedom
On Sep 6, 2009, at 5:12 PM, John Williams wrote:
Really? Would you literally come to my house with a gun and force me
to give you money, telling me that you know better who it should be
spent on than I do?
If your idea of how to spend it involves leaving people to the
nonexistent mercy of a
On Sep 6, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 05:12 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu
wrote:
This is why I've quit talking with you about
health insurance. When pressed, your bottom
line seems to be
Bruce wrote:
What exactly *do* you propose as an alternative to public-option health
care
for people who aren't fortunate enough to be able to afford health
insurance that
will actually cover treatments?
You didn't ask me; but I thought I'd actually propose something that makes
sense.
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
If not, what exactly *do* you
propose as an alternative to public-option health care for people who aren't
fortunate enough to be able to afford health insurance that will actually
cover treatments?
What exactly do
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090903163725.htm
Perhaps they have finally found them.
xponent
Space Drives Maru
rob
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What exactly do you propose for everyone in the world who cannot
afford basic health care such as childbirth assistance and infant care
and vaccination?
Well, Iraq showed how hard it is to help folks by forcing out bad
governments. My foster daughter Neli and I have talked on how best
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Or, for an even darker scenario, how about the people who can't quit or, God
forbid, be fired from their job because if they do they'll lose the only
insurance that will cover them
Which is almost entirely the
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Sep 6, 2009, at 5:12 PM, John Williams wrote:
Really? Would you literally come to my house with a gun and force me
to give you money, telling me that you know better who it should be
spent on than I do?
If
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Freedom of choice is never absolute.
Especially when the government prevents people from providing free
health care to others.
http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=96009catid=2
| We tried to get a
Original Message:
-
From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 17:28:02 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
Or, for an even darker
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
We do not tax everyone in the world, so they do not need to be considered as
part of this discussion.
We do not tax everyone in the US, so are you proposing not to
provide health care to the about 50% of the US population
On 9/6/2009 7:45:14 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
Freedom of choice is never absolute.
Especially when the government prevents people from providing free
health care to others.
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:46 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
But, if I were to pay
as myself, then any health issues would put me in the 40k/year bracket. I
could probably afford it, but most folks can't. So, after one big illness,
you're dropped, and that's it.
On 9/6/2009 7:47:52 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
We do not tax everyone in the world, so they do not need to be
considered as part of this discussion.
We do not tax everyone in the US, so are
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
It isn't the government. It is 50 (or 49 depending on how you are looking
at the question) governments involved.
50 (or 49) times more reforms to start with before reforms involving
taking more of people's money!
On Sep 6, 2009, at 7:16 PM, John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
If not, what exactly *do* you
propose as an alternative to public-option health care for people
who aren't
fortunate enough to be able to afford health insurance
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
On 9/6/2009 7:47:52 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
We do not tax everyone in the world, so they do not need to be
considered as
On 9/6/2009 7:59:34 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
It
isn't the government. It is 50 (or 49 depending on how you are looking at
the question) governments involved.
50 (or 49) times more reforms
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Beyond proposals, though, there is a very strong argument to be made that
it's inhumane to simply leave people to die if they can't find insurance
coverage to pay for medical care that costs hundreds of times what
On 9/6/2009 8:11:40 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
On 9/6/2009 7:47:52 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net
wrote:
Consider people who advocate taking other people's money and using it
to help those in need. It is interesting to look at what percentage of
those people's own money they actually spend helping those in need.
http://tsfiles.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/charity-donations-and-liberal-hypocricy/
That
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
On 9/6/2009 8:11:40 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
On 9/6/2009 7:47:52 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On
On 9/6/2009 8:15:52 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
Beyond proposals, though, there is a very strong argument to be made
that
it's inhumane to simply leave people to die if they can't find
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
Prove that you are actively supporting those people with every cent you can
spare on par with what you suggest to Bruce.
You obviously have a computer, therefore you are a hypocrite.
I am not advocating taking other
On Sep 6, 2009, at 8:11 PM, John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net
wrote:
On 9/6/2009 7:47:52 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com)
wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net
wrote:
We do not tax
On Sep 6, 2009, at 8:30 PM, John Williams wrote:
Prove that you are actively supporting those people with every cent
you can spare on par with what you suggest to Bruce.
You obviously have a computer, therefore you are a hypocrite.
I am not advocating taking other people's money, as Bruce
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Sep 6, 2009, at 8:11 PM, John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
On 9/6/2009 7:47:52 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009
At 07:16 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Bruce
Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
If not, what exactly *do* you
propose as an alternative to public-option health care for people
who aren't
fortunate enough to be able to afford health insurance
At 07:58 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Rceeberger wrote:
On 9/6/2009 7:47:52 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
We do not tax everyone in the world, so they do not need to be
considered as part of this
At 08:15 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Bruce
Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Beyond proposals, though, there is a very strong argument to be made that
it's inhumane to simply leave people to die if they can't find insurance
coverage to pay
At 07:00 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
On Sep 6, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 05:12 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu
wrote:
This is why I've quit talking with you about
health insurance.
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Ronn!
Blankenshipronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
How about first addressing what you propose for everyone _in the U.S._ who
cannot afford such things (other than by going to the ER at the county
charity hospital at a charge to _someone_ of something like
At 09:36 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Ronn!
Blankenshipronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
How about first addressing what you propose for everyone _in the U.S._ who
cannot afford such things (other than by going to the ER at the county
charity
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Ronn!
Blankenshipronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
The point there was that the primary subject currently under discussion
(both here and nationally) is reform of the US health care/insurance system.
I understand that. But my question is, as long as we are
At 09:43 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Ronn!
Blankenshipronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
The point there was that the primary subject currently under discussion
(both here and nationally) is reform of the US health
care/insurance system.
I
At 08:38 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
(Type mismatch error: expected boolean value but found string 'cake'.
Input not parsed.)
Was it eaten instead?
. . . ronn! :)
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At 07:51 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Rceeberger wrote:
On 9/6/2009 7:45:14 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
Freedom of choice is never absolute.
Especially when the government prevents people from
At 07:44 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Rceeberger wrote:
On 9/6/2009 7:16:21 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
If not, what exactly *do* you
propose as an alternative to public-option health care for
On 9/6/2009 9:36:53 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Ronn!
Blankenshipronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
How about first addressing what you propose for everyone _in the U.S._
who
cannot afford such things (other than by going to the ER
John said:
That is incorrect. In 2007, the top 1% paid 40% of the federal income
taxes, the top 5% paid 61%, and the top 10% paid 71% of taxes. If the
middle class is 25%-75%, then the upper class, top 25%, paid a
whopping 87% of federal income taxes.
What exactly do you propose for everyone in the world who cannot
afford basic health care such as childbirth assistance and infant care
and vaccination?
Watch those goalposts shift!
I'll play. You say taxes are theft of freedom. There are people who
are taxed more than those of us in the
On 9/6/2009 10:00:23 PM, Ronn! Blankenship (ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net)
wrote:
At 07:44 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Rceeberger wrote:
On 9/6/2009 7:16:21 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.
net
wrote:
I don't think the list will allow me to post my usual response to
such questions* . . .
_
*a photo of a toilet
. . . ronn! :P
Professional Smart-Aleck. Do Not Attempt.
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At 10:13 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Rceeberger wrote:
[snippety-doo-dah}
John is a troll, why are people playing *his* game?
Someone accused me earlier of trying to bring reasonable arguments
into the discussion, and I guess I'm just too stubborn to stop trying . . . ;)
. . . ronn! :)
John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
...
Yes, I AM prepared to make you pay your share
to keep people from dying
Really? Would you literally come to my house with a gun and force me
to give you money, telling me that you know better who
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:29 PM, David Hobby hob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
...
Yes, I AM prepared to make you pay your share
to keep people from dying
Really? Would you literally come to my house with
At 10:32 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Patrick Sweeney wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:29 PM, David Hobby hob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
...
Yes, I AM prepared to make you pay your share
to keep people from
John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Beyond proposals, though, there is a very strong argument to be made that
it's inhumane to simply leave people to die if they can't find insurance
coverage to pay for medical care that costs
On 9/6/2009 10:26:41 PM, Ronn! Blankenship (ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net)
wrote:
At 10:13 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Rceeberger wrote:
[snippety-doo-dah}
John is a troll, why are people playing *his* game?
Someone accused me earlier of trying to bring reasonable arguments
into the
Patrick Sweeney wrote:
...
No, that's what governments are for. I agree with
you, they do tax by force. So?
Someone else asked this in an earlier conversation, but does anyone
else on the list ever have the government come to their house with a
gun and force them to file their taxes? It's
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:04 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Now, if my arithmatic is wrong, then I gave the source for you to check me.
But, there was something fishy about that number.
Actually, you did not give the exact source, you linked to a page with
a
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
I don't fault you for trying, but this will soon have been going on for a
year with nary a sign of intellectual honesty on John's part.
I assure you, I am stating my thoughts honestly and sincerely.
He is either a
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Patrick Sweeneyfirefly.ga...@gmail.com wrote:
Until you have freed everyone else in the world from taxes, you don't
get to talk about the US any more. Sorry. Just applying your own rules
to you. It's only fair.
No, not really. I have a limited amount of time and
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Ronn!
Blankenshipronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Realistically, we have to start somewhere,
Realistically, wouldn't it make more sense to start helping people who
are the most in need, and can therefore be helped the most for the
least amount of resources?
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:29 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
...
Yes, I AM prepared to make you pay your share
to keep people from dying
Really? Would you literally come to my house with a
On 9/6/2009 11:10:38 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
I
don't fault you for trying, but this will soon have been going on for a year
with nary a sign of intellectual honesty on John's
part.
I
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:56 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
(Anyway, aren't charitable
contributions tax-deductible?)
You do realize that tax-deductible means that your taxes are reduced
by some fraction of the amount you donate, not the whole amount? Less
than half, in fact.
For
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
You insult my intelligence with your faux arguments.
No insult intended. And I assure you, my points are genuine.
You are running a program.
Unfortunately it is a small program and is very repetitive.
I'm sorry you
On 9/6/2009 11:39:43 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
You insult my intelligence with your faux arguments.
No insult intended. And I assure you, my points are genuine.
You are running a
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