On Sun, 10/25/09, Bruce Bostwick lihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Oct 25, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Deborah Harrell wrote:
Hey, guess who's posting from home for the first time?
(I did have some serious help getting stuff hooked up,
and I still hate this laptop's 'finger mouse.' -- hmm,
Well, Julia, in my experience (is that abbreviated IME?), it doesn't get
better until they go to college, and even then they come home and disrupt
your schedule =+)). I *still* wonder where the time goes, but I know way
too much of it disappears into my computer screen.
Mothers of young children
Julia wrote:
It's amazing what you find needs doing when you finally have all your kids
in school for a full day for the first time ever. I might have most of it
done by the time school gets out in early June!
I've heard the same thing about retirement; my brother-in-law and his
brother,
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Julia wrote:
It's amazing what you find needs doing when you finally have all your kids
in school for a full day for the first time ever. I might have most of it
done by the time school gets out in early June!
I've heard the same thing about retirement; my
On Sun, 10/25/09, Doug Pensinger brig...@zo.com wrote:
snippage
Good to hear from you all that haven't posted much, maybe
we can get a
rip roaring discussion going. Anybody over hear read
Banks' new one?
Hey, guess who's posting from home for the first time?
(I did have some serious help
-Original Message-
From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
Behalf Of David Hobby
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:48 PM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: The thread about the thread Re: DeLong on health insurance
reform
I think
On Oct 25, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Deborah Harrell wrote:
On Sun, 10/25/09, Doug Pensinger brig...@zo.com wrote:
snippage
Good to hear from you all that haven't posted much, maybe
we can get a
rip roaring discussion going. Anybody over hear read
Banks' new one?
Hey, guess who's posting from
Julia Thompson wrote:
...
I think in both cases, it's sort of a deferred maintenance problem. When
you finally have time, there's a BIG backlog to deal with.
...
Yes. And in our case, it was compounded by our daughter refusing to sleep
in the room she shared with her twin brother, starting
Debbi wrote:
Hey, guess who's posting from home for the first time?
(I did have some serious help getting stuff hooked up, and I still hate this
laptop's 'finger mouse.' -- hmm, hadn't thought of what that conjures up, but
it's entirely apt...)
Congrats on the new job, and on getting your
At 11:08 PM Sunday 10/25/2009, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Debbi wrote:
Hey, guess who's posting from home for the first time?
(I did have some serious help getting stuff hooked up, and I
still hate this laptop's 'finger mouse.' -- hmm, hadn't thought of
what that conjures up, but it's entirely
-Original Message-
From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Jo Anne
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:32 PM
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: The thread about the thread Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
David wrote:
Hi. There I
On Mon, 9/28/09, kananda...@aol.com kananda...@aol.com wrote:
Debbi wrote...
We're Number 37! Maru
and yes, I too am still alive in the real world... :)
We XXs have just been sitting back proving we can have quiet
moments and listen snort be scared when we start getting
On Tue, 9/29/09, Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com wrote:
Yea!!! More xx'ers.
And feeling every x in the morning...urf, when did my joints decide to become
musical?! I don't even _like_ Rice Krispies anymore.
Debbi wrote...
and yes, I too am still alive in the real world... :)
And
Yea!!! More xx'ers.
Debbi wrote...
We're Number 37! Maru
and yes, I too am still alive in the real world... :)
And Dee responded
We XXs have just been sitting back proving we can have quiet moments and
listen
snort be scared when we start getting chatty again
So where were you
Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com wrote:
snippage throughout
Doug wrote:
Personally, I think that a system that places an emphasis on
boner drugs, reformulation of proven drugs and anti-depressants that
don't work is in need of an overhaul in and of itself.
And Dee answered:
Being
Debbi wrote...
We're Number 37! Maru
and yes, I too am still alive in the real world... :)
We XXs have just been sitting back proving we can have quiet moments and
listen
snort be scared when we start getting chatty again
Dee
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Dee -- Look everyone, Dee is back! I'm so glad to see you posting. I now
have a stray cat and her kittens in your bedroom awaiting space at the no
kill shelter. As soon as they're gone, you can come back any time. =+))
Doug wrote:
Personally, I think that a system that places an emphasis
Kevin inquired-
Why is it that taking Cialis causes you to set up adjacent outdoor
bathtubs? We could never figure that one out. Sounds uncomfortable to me.
LOL, no real clue, but great question. I even own two of the tubs, but
one is upstairs and one is downstairs in
Personally, I think that a system that places an emphasis on
boner drugs, reformulation of proven drugs and anti-depressants that
don't work is in need of an overhaul in and of itself.
Being the healthcare provider I can share this without cringing, but it
will make some of you sit up
On 13/09/2009, at 2:27 PM, Ray Ludenia wrote:
The change of seasons is not as obvious here as it seemed to be in
the States as we toured around last year. We don't go from
ridiculous negative temperatures to extreme heat as for example in
Colorado. It's gradually getting warmer now (the
Ray wrote:
The change of seasons is not as obvious here as it seemed to be in the
States as we toured around last year. We don't go from ridiculous negative
temperatures to extreme heat as for example in Colorado. It's gradually
getting warmer now (the low 20s C) and it looks like we might be
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Doug Pensinger brig...@zo.com wrote:
John Williams wrote:
http://american.com/archive/2009/august/maybe-we-should-spend-more-on-healthcare
Yikes. Let's first look at the source of the article, The American
Enterprise Institute.
Actually, the source of the
John Williams wrote:
Actually, the source of the article is the author, James V. DeLong.
The publisher is The American, and the owner of the publisher is the
American Enterprise Institute.
The latter being one of the driving forces behind the failed
conservative revolution and the miserable
Ray wrote:
I fail to see what difference it makes how often I am involved. Surely this
should be the case with or without my participation!
Hi Ray, glad to see you're still hanging out. Are you ready for
spring, or does it make that much of a difference?
I know you were kidding, but as far
John Williams wrote:
They changed the link. Here is the new one:
http://american.com/archive/2009/august/maybe-we-should-spend-more-on-healthcare
Yikes. Let's first look at the source of the article, The American
Enterprise Institute. Described in Wiki as some of the leading
architects of
On Sep 13, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Hi Ray, glad to see you're still hanging out. Are you ready for
spring, or does it make that much of a difference?
The change of seasons is not as obvious here as it seemed to be in the
States as we toured around last year. We don't go
On Sep 11, 2009, at 4:35 AM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
As Obama
said this morning, we should be able to civilly differ when strongly
held
opinions differ...particularly on a mailing list where RL is only
occassionally involved.
I fail to see what difference it makes how often I am
No apologies needed. I just remember so well person after person taking on
JDG trying to talk about different stuff (abortion, death penalty,
politics). While I think Dan talked the longest and the hardest, I came to
feel the guy just got off on fanning flames of dissention. Sort of like
David wrote:
Hi. There I was, doing my bit to produce list traffic.
Sorry...
No apologies needed. I just remember so well person after person taking on
JDG trying to talk about different stuff (abortion, death penalty,
politics). While I think Dan talked the longest and the hardest, I came
On 7 Sep 2009 at 21:40, Nick Arnett wrote:
If you really believe that a lawfully elected democratic government making a
decision about how to spend tax revenue is an infringement on your freedom,
then you are a lunatic fringe nut case and not worthy of serious attention.
I should have figured
On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
If you really believe that a lawfully elected democratic government
making a decision about how to spend tax revenue is an infringement
on your freedom, then you are a lunatic fringe nut case and not
worthy of serious attention. I should
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Chris Frandsenlear...@mac.com wrote:
Given human nature as I have experienced it, John, I do not see how a
civilized society could exist following a total voluntary ethic.
It is interesting how some people claim my posts are repetitive, while
other people seem
John Williams wrote:
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:31 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
No, I didn't bring it up. Would you prefer the
statement I am prepared to make everybody in
America pay their share to keep people from
dying because they can't afford to pay for basic
health care.?
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:02 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
John Williams wrote:
I don't get this. You recently wrote:
No, I do not propose that the US should abolish all taxes, and I have
written that here before.
So some taxes are O.K.? But I imagine that some of the
people
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:29 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
Until this is
resolved, kindly cease to refer to taxation as
taking your money, etc.
Are you serious?
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On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:19 PM, John Williams wrote:
If you really want to discuss this again, please start a new thread
and ask me again.
*If*.
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On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:19 PM, John Williams wrote:
If you really want to discuss this again, please start a new thread
and ask me again.
*If*.
Right. I already stated my opinion that I don't think it is worth
Hello list--
Dan wrote:
Anyways, when we aren't arguing with John; not much is said around here any
more. None of us has his talent for generating list traffic. :-)
To which I would argue, is low traffic a bad thing? I think the
signal:noise ratio has gone way up, lately. Again, I remember
John Williams wrote:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:02 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
John Williams wrote:
I don't get this. You recently wrote:
No, I do not propose that the US should abolish all taxes, and I have
written that here before.
So some taxes are O.K.? But I imagine that
John Williams wrote:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:29 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
Until this is
resolved, kindly cease to refer to taxation as
taking your money, etc.
Are you serious?
Yes. It's a dishonest way to refer to it, since
you admit that taxation is in principle
John Williams wrote:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:19 PM, John Williams wrote:
If you really want to discuss this again, please start a new thread
and ask me again.
*If*.
Right. I already stated my opinion that I don't
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:44 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
Yes. It's a dishonest way to refer to it, since
you admit that taxation is in principle justified.
Calling a spade a spade is not dishonest. And I did not admit that
taxation is in principle justified. Telling me how to
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:17 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
John Williams wrote:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:44 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
Yes. It's a dishonest way to refer to it, since
you admit that taxation is in principle justified.
Calling a spade a spade is
Jo Anne wrote:
Hello list--
Dan wrote:
Anyways, when we aren't arguing with John; not much is said around here any
more. None of us has his talent for generating list traffic. :-)
To which I would argue, is low traffic a bad thing? I think the
signal:noise ratio has gone way up, lately.
John Williams wrote:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:44 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
Yes. It's a dishonest way to refer to it, since
you admit that taxation is in principle justified.
Calling a spade a spade is not dishonest. And I did not admit that
taxation is in principle
John Williams wrote:
...
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:44 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
Yes. It's a dishonest way to refer to it, since
you admit that taxation is in principle justified.
...
Arguing fairly and honestly is the way to have a discussion
with me.
You're still not
On 07/09/2009, at 8:36 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Ronn! Blankenship ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
Some people fear that government-run health care will feature all
the cleanliness and maintenance standards of Walter Reed combined
with the prompt
At 02:19 AM Monday 9/7/2009, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 07/09/2009, at 8:36 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Ronn! Blankenship
ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Some people fear that government-run health care will feature all
the cleanliness and maintenance
On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:57, Ronn! Blankenship ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
At 02:19 AM Monday 9/7/2009, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 07/09/2009, at 8:36 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Ronn! Blankenship ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
Some people fear
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:16 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Patrick Sweeneyfirefly.ga...@gmail.com
wrote:
Until you have freed everyone else in the world from taxes, you don't
get to talk about the US any more. Sorry. Just applying your own
At 06:43 AM Monday 9/7/2009, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:57, Ronn! Blankenship
ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
At 02:19 AM Monday 9/7/2009, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 07/09/2009, at 8:36 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Ronn!
Blankenship
That's precisely what lots of people
wonder. Neither government nor business has a
record that exactly encourages optimism.
I guess it depends on perspective. Compare the lot of the median citizen
of the US with the median citizen of any country 500 years ago; 300 years
ago; 100 years ago.
John said:
Say I have two $1 bills. I could choose to go to McDonald's and buy a
burger and fries.
Now someone takes one of my dollars. Now I can only buy a burger, or
fries, but not both. My choices have been limited. My freedom to
choose has been limited.
That is obvious.
Yes, but it's
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Richard Bakerr...@theculture.org wrote:
John said:
Say I have two $1 bills. I could choose to go to McDonald's and buy a
burger and fries.
Now someone takes one of my dollars. Now I can only buy a burger, or
fries, but not both. My choices have been limited.
John said:
Yes, but it's not the whole story.
It is not my whole post, either, since you cut the quote off early.
I know it wasn't your whole post let alone your whole argument but it
was enough for me to hang my toy example from.
I suspect you double-counted the 9 possibilities where
On 6 Sep 2009 at 15:17, John Williams wrote:
I would really like to
understand your point of view,
I doubt it. I suspect you would like to fit me into one of your
simplistic models. Good luck with that.
I'm sorry, for that statement I'm taking out a warrant for your
arrest for
On 6 Sep 2009 at 18:46, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
On Sep 6, 2009, at 5:12 PM, John Williams wrote:
Really? Would you literally come to my house with a gun and force me
to give you money, telling me that you know better who it should be
spent on than I do?
If your idea of how to spend it
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Richard Baker r...@theculture.org wrote:
Do you think Nick would argue the same thing (Alice must give everyone
a dollar) if Alice had $10 and 9 others had no dollars? What if Alice
had $20 and ten others had $2 each? What if, instead of dollars, we
had
On 7 Sep 2009 at 2:57, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
I think the fear is that employers who now offer insurance as part of
the compensation package will realize that it would be cheaper for
them to stop doing so and let their employers be covered by the
public option so after a little while
Nick said:
I'd argue for democracy -- none of this business of X must give Y
money. A social contract, not force. That's why I said the
original post failed to address the critical question of what take
means.
If you prefer, recast the questions as In this situation, is it
morally
John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:56 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
(Anyway, aren't charitable
contributions tax-deductible?)
You do realize that tax-deductible means that your taxes are reduced
by some fraction of the amount you donate, not the whole amount? Less
than
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
Your argument seemed to be: Money I pay in taxes
is money I won't give to worthy charities. I didn't
buy the ARGUMENT, for obvious reasons. That was not
an attack on your views.
It is not an argument, it is a statement
On 9/7/2009 4:06:38 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
Your argument seemed to be:
Money I pay in taxes
is money I won't give to worthy charities. I
didn't
buy the ARGUMENT, for obvious reasons. That
Rob said:
So.you admit you hate America.
Am I missing a reference here because this hating America stuff
doesn't seem to make any sense whatsoever to me?
Rich
GCU Perpetually Confused
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John Williams wrote:
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
Your argument seemed to be: Money I pay in taxes
is money I won't give to worthy charities. I didn't
buy the ARGUMENT, for obvious reasons. That was not
an attack on your views.
It is not an
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:55 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
If you are giving that much to charity, that's good.
But it's mostly irrelevant to what we were talking about.
Possibly irrelevant, but you were the one that brought it up, saying
you were prepared to take money away from me
Original Message:
-
From: Rceeberger rceeber...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:29:35 -0500
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
On 9/7/2009 4:06:38 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM, David
John Williams wrote:
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:55 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
If you are giving that much to charity, that's good.
But it's mostly irrelevant to what we were talking about.
Possibly irrelevant, but you were the one that brought it up, saying
you were prepared to
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:20 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
Then we have a fundamental disagreement, because either way you say
it, the consequences of your statement are that you, personally, think
that you have a right to decide how my money should be spent. I
suspect that
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
That's democracy, which I
haven't heard you say a bad word about,
We discussed some of the bad points of democracies here recently. I
posted a list.
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On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:31 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
No, I didn't bring it up. Would you prefer the
statement I am prepared to make everybody in
America pay their share to keep people from
dying because they can't afford to pay for basic
health care.?
Then we have a
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:23 AM, John Williamsjwilliams4...@gmail.com wrote:
DeLong (the other one) on health care costs and health insurance reform.
http://american.com/archive/2009/maybe-we-should-spend-more-on-healthcare
| So what should be done about healthcare costs? Many things,
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:23 AM, John Williamsjwilliams4...@gmail.com wrote:
DeLong (the other one) on health care costs and health insurance reform.
http://american.com/archive/2009/maybe-we-should-spend-more-on-healthcare
They changed the link. Here is the new one:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote:
The link was broken for me, but from what you quoted above it seems
we'd all need 2 or three insurance policies,
I'd love to have enough choice with health insurance to have multiple
policies tailored to my needs.
a medical
Original Message:
-
From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 12:46:44 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote:
The link was broken for me, but from
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Actually, that's not what the opposition to health care reform is coming
from.
Actually, consumer driven health care supporters are where some of the
opposition to additional government control of the
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
Aren't almost all companies worried about making money for
themselves? Seems to work out all right to me.
No, all companies aren't. I'm on the board of a $10 million company that
seeks to make not a cent of profit.
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
wrote:
Aren't almost all companies worried about making money for
themselves? Seems to work out all right to me.
No, all companies aren't. I'm on
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
No, that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about freedom to
choose what to do with one's money.
Me, too. Freedom for a nation to choose what to do with its money, just
like corporations and people are
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
How can you insist that for a nation to choose to provide health care to all
of its citizens is taking away freedom?
Taking away my money against my will and limiting my choices for what
kind of health care I can purchase
Even if everyone voted democratically to make some minority of people
slaves, that does not make slavery freedom.
Paying taxes != slavery. You are more than free to leave. You can't be
bought or sold.
Dan M.
mail2web -
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:21 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
How can you insist that for a nation to choose to provide health care to
all
of its citizens is taking away freedom?
Taking away my money
Original Message:
-
From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 14:00:11 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Actually
John Williams wrote:
...
Taking away my money against my will and limiting my choices for what
kind of health care I can purchase is taking away my freedom of
choice.
...
John--
This is why I've quit talking with you about
health insurance. When pressed, your bottom
line seems to be taxation
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:37 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Even if everyone voted democratically to make some minority of people
slaves, that does not make slavery freedom.
Paying taxes != slavery. You are more than free to leave. You can't be
bought or sold.
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:42 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Now, you've argued that's its the intangibles that matter most,
Where have I written that?
The last time I brought up these data.
How about a quote?
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Even if everyone voted democratically to make some minority of people
slaves, that does not make slavery freedom.
Paying taxes != slavery. You are more than free to leave. You can't be
bought or sold.
The principle under discussion was whether a democratic vote is
equivalent to freedom to
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
This is why I've quit talking with you about
health insurance. When pressed, your bottom
line seems to be taxation equals theft.
What I have written is that taxation (taking someone's money) limits a
person's freedom. That
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Actually, as David's post indicates, you are probably in a minority in
considering that the principal under discussion.
Actually, that was the principle under discussion with Nick. You
conveniently left
At 04:09 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM,
John Williams
jwilliams4...@gmail.com
wrote:
No, that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about freedom
to
choose what to do with one's money.
Me, too. Freedom for a nation to choose what to do with its
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
What I have written is that taxation (taking someone's money) limits a
person's freedom. That is obviously true.
There is nothing obviously true about it, except that the person is free of
paying taxes. That's not
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Ronn! Blankenship
ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Some people fear that government-run health care will feature all the
cleanliness and maintenance standards of Walter Reed combined with the
prompt service for which the DMV is famous and the compassion
At 04:42 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Original Message:
-
From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 14:00:11 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM,
dsummersmi
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
wrote:
What I have written is that taxation (taking someone's money) limits a
person's freedom. That is obviously true.
There is nothing obviously
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:42 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
Say I have two $1 bills. I could choose to go to McDonald's and buy a
burger and fries.
Now someone takes one of my dollars.
Takes *how*?
Nothing like leaving out the critical element of the metaphor.
Nick
At 05:12 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
This is why I've quit talking with you about
health insurance. When pressed, your bottom
line seems to be taxation equals theft.
What I have written is that taxation
At 05:36 PM Sunday 9/6/2009, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM,
Ronn! Blankenship
ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Some people fear that government-run health care will feature all the
cleanliness and maintenance standards of Walter Reed combined with the
prompt service
Original Message:
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From: Ronn! Blankenship ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 17:27:28 -0500
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
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Some people fear that government-run health care will feature all the
cleanliness
On Sep 6, 2009, at 4:21 PM, John Williams wrote:
Taking away my money against my will and limiting my choices for what
kind of health care I can purchase is taking away my freedom of
choice.
Freedom of choice is never absolute. And it is always limited by the
need to balance that freedom
On Sep 6, 2009, at 5:12 PM, John Williams wrote:
Really? Would you literally come to my house with a gun and force me
to give you money, telling me that you know better who it should be
spent on than I do?
If your idea of how to spend it involves leaving people to the
nonexistent mercy of a
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