Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar (Sam Whited)

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 7:41 PM, rich sbardella wrote: > Are country western line dance copyrightable? The best I've been able to find on line dancing is this Australian guide: http://www.copyright.org.au/admin/cms-acc1/_images/9990319194f3b320fa4716.pdf Jeff

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar (Sam Whited)

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote: > > Taco Bell can get legal protection for rearrangements of the same 6 > ingredients in new orders ... Citation? Jeff

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar

Dear Sam John Gardiner-Garden's dances are there for anyone to call - all you need to do is acknowledge it is one of his dances when you call it. We do ask that you do not photocopy or scan pages of his books with dance instructions and music and pass them around - please buy our dance books and

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar (Sam Whited)

Are country western line dance copyrightable? Rich From: Jeff Kaufman To: Caller's discussion list Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar (Sam

Re: [Callers] Norms/Ethics of Dance Choreography Sharing

I come from the world of MWSD where choreography is seldom credited from the microphone.  Not sure I ever heard anyone, except Dick Leger, give credit for a routine except occasionally a cued round dance, or a very occasional specialty dance.   Dick Leger inserted traditional dance routines

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar (Sam Whited)

On 9/13/2013 1:59 PM, Jeff Kaufman wrote: On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Erik Hoffman wrote: I published it ... only to find out later that Tony Parkes had written the same dance -- for the same reason -- with the variant of a B1 Half Promenade; Women Chain. ... Later I

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar (Sam Whited)

On 13-09-13 11:00 AM, Sam Whited wrote: On 09/13/2013 01:17 PM, Dan Pearl wrote: Last time I checked, dance sequences were not copyrightable. In the United States (Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, just someone who happens to be interested in copyright law and dancing) choreographic works have

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar (Sam Whited)

Hum, ladies chain is a ii chord, left hand star is a V chord, and balance and swing the next is the tonic? Richard On Sep 13, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Jeff Kaufman wrote: > (Now I want to make a mapping from dance figures to chord numbers and > see what dances sound like.) > > Jeff >

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar (Sam Whited)

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Erik Hoffman wrote: > I published it ... only to find out later that Tony Parkes had > written the same dance -- for the same reason -- with the > variant of a B1 Half Promenade; Women Chain. ... Later I > found the same dance with the Right

Re: [Callers] Norms/Ethics of Dance Choreography Sharing

On 9/13/2013 1:28 PM, Sam Whited wrote: On 09/13/2013 04:17 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote: While I'm mostly on board with you on this one, there's one situation in which I feel that allowing someone to rummage through my library of books and copy material is justified, and that is when there's a

Re: [Callers] 11 dances without names (or authors) ... possible help???

[Sorry if you get 2 copies of this message -- mail server weirdness.] On 13-09-13 07:32 AM, Emily Addison wrote: I've been collecting dances over the last few years and there are a few that I'd like to add to my box but for which I don't have a name. [By the time I finished writing this

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar (Sam Whited)

Who's been calling my dances? I want to sue... Um, just kidding, though the discussion is interesting. And, what happens when a dance gets written by more than one person? I wrote a dance I called Second Third Friday, taking the idea of the dance Third Friday by Bill Cochran. My dance

Re: [Callers] Norms/Ethics of Dance Choreography Sharing

On 09/13/2013 04:17 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote: > While I'm mostly on board with you on this one, there's one situation in > which I feel that allowing someone to rummage through my library of > books and copy material is justified, and that is when there's a > brand-new caller trying to put together

Re: [Callers] Norms/Ethics of Dance Choreography Sharing

On 9/13/2013 11:34 AM, Sam Whited wrote: I will more or less always allow people to copy dances from me... I will not, however, allow people to copy/photocopy books that I own; a book to me feels like a much more commercially driven venture, so I encourage people to go out and buy the book.

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar (Sam Whited)

I don't know if I ever put this on my website when it was in existence, but my plan is to publish everything as CC-SA. I also have put a lot of thought into making a public database of contra dances. I do agree that dances are probably not copyrightable, but my plan was to include a field for

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar (Sam Whited)

On 09/13/2013 03:08 PM, Jeff Kaufman wrote: > It's not clear whether an individual contra dance, as a series of > standard figures, is original enough to fall under copyright. Thanks for the links; there's a lot of good information there. Regardless, I'd still like to know if anyone other than

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar (Sam Whited)

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Sam Whited wrote: > choreographic works have been copyrightable since 1978 It's not clear whether an individual contra dance, as a series of standard figures, is original enough to fall under copyright. While choreography can be copyrighted,

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar

I do not think Dan is correct that dance choreography is not copyrightable. Dan, I don't know where you got that information, but nothing I know about copyright law gives me that impression. I guess you could argue that contra dances are not sufficiently "original," but the standard for

Re: [Callers] Norms/Ethics of Dance Choreography Sharing

On 09/13/2013 01:16 PM, Don Veino wrote: > I'm interested in others' perspectives on this topic integral to our > passion. I've had a few very brief interactions with other callers on this > topic but would appreciate a wider view with an eye towards commonly agreed > acceptable practice. We live

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar

On 09/13/2013 02:10 PM, Perry Shafran wrote: > Should I care? I personally don't think so (as you said, that's the point of writing dances for most folks, not to make money, but to distribute them as widely as possible and make sure people can enjoy them). And that's exactly why you should use a

Re: [Callers] 11 dances without names (or authors) ... possible help???

4 is a common variant of Trip to Lambertville. 6 is "Pirouette Four" by Al Olson. 9 is "Southern Swing" by Steve Zakon-Anderson. 10 may be a corrupted version of "Balance to My Lou" by Becky Hill, or "Ellen's Yarns" by Rick Mohr. 2 and 11 are mysteries. -Chris Page San Diego On Friday,

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar

I am interested in knowing if there have actually been any incidents in the past where a dance was used in an "illegal" way - that is to say, a dance was used, copied, called, distributed, etc, without express consent of the author - and how it was ultimately resolved.  I know that I've called

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar

On 09/13/2013 01:58 PM, Jim Thaxter wrote: > I would be interested to know the purpose of licensing a dance. Speaking > just for myself (although I assume a lot of other amateur choreographers do > the same thing), I write a few dances mostly for my own amusement, but > don't intend to ever

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar (Sam Whited)

On 09/13/2013 01:17 PM, Dan Pearl wrote: > Last time I checked, dance sequences were not copyrightable. In the United States (Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, just someone who happens to be interested in copyright law and dancing) choreographic works have been copyrightable since 1978 (see the

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar

I would be interested to know the purpose of licensing a dance. Speaking just for myself (although I assume a lot of other amateur choreographers do the same thing), I write a few dances mostly for my own amusement, but don't intend to ever publish them. I'm pretty sure there is a very limited

Re: [Callers] 11 dances without names (or authors) ... possible help???

Some of these have been identified already, but comments and more IDs: > *--* > *??NAME 3: IMPROPER* > > N Bal & Sw > > LL F, G roll L away with half sashay > LL F, L roll G away with half sashay > > L

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar (Sam Whited)

Last time I checked, dance sequences were not copyrightable.   The physical description of the dance sequence is copyrightable, and you couldn't just take the author's published description and put it in your own collection w/o permission.  You, on the other hand, could describe the dance with

[Callers] Norms/Ethics of Dance Choreography Sharing

I'm interested in others' perspectives on this topic integral to our passion. I've had a few very brief interactions with other callers on this topic but would appreciate a wider view with an eye towards commonly agreed acceptable practice. We live in a world that has the dichotomy of very strong

Re: [Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar

Hi Sam, interesting that you raise this point, I've had a mail composed and sitting in my drafts on a related topic. I'll send that on separately. On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Sam Whited wrote: > Hi all: > > Does anyone here know of any dances that are licensed under

[Callers] Dances licensed with CC or similar

Hi all: Does anyone here know of any dances that are licensed under an open (free as in freedom) license or have fallen into the public domain (it's hard to find dates for a lot of older dances)? I'm already using a few of Seth Tepfer's dances which are licensed under a Creative Commons (CC

Re: [Callers] 11 dances without names (or authors) ... possible help???

Emily, This looks like good dances for an open public contra dance. Thank you for noting the figures using effective word order. It makes it much easier to read. #3 appears to be "Rollin' and Tumblin'" by Cis Hinkle #7 is "Cranky Ingenuity" by Bill Olson I will be interested in learning what

Re: [Callers] 11 dances without names (or authors) ... possible help???

Number 8 is Get Me Going by Lisa Greenleaf Number 1 is essentially the same dance, with the exception of the ladies' gypsy. Not sure that this would qualify as a different dance/ different name. When I call dances with very slight variations like this, I usually say something like "slight

Re: [Callers] 11 dances without names (or authors) ... possible help???

Number 4 is Rollin' & Tumblin' by Cis Hinkle However, I have the ladies doing an allemande left once and a half Linda *??NAME 3: IMPROPER* N Bal & Sw LL F, G roll L away with half sashay LL F, L roll G away with half sashay L in for Al L 1.5 P Swing

Re: [Callers] 11 dances without names (or authors) ... possible help???

#7 is "Cranky Ingenuity" by bill olson. B1 should be Allem *L* x 1.5 bill > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:32:26 -0500 > From: emilyladdi...@gmail.com > To: call...@sharedweight.net > Subject: [Callers] 11 dances without names (or authors) ... possible help??? > > Hi Caller Listservers :) > >

[Callers] 11 dances without names (or authors) ... possible help???

Hi Caller Listservers :) I've been collecting dances over the last few years and there are a few that I'd like to add to my box but for which I don't have a name. I've listed 11 below. If anyone has the brain (or computer program!) to help me out, it would be much appreciated! Authors are

Re: [Callers] Scheduling/programmer Question

Well, BACDS books some dances on short lead time, and some with long lead time, but most kind-of quarterly. There are good reasons that apply in different situations. I can amplify a bit on what Kalia and Jim have said about the San Francisco BACDS dances (I booked and essentially ran the