Thanks Jonathan - that's done the trick.
(BTW my previous fumble was an attempt to pinpoint my problem by
connecting without Camping.)
With the idea of using this as the simplest possible 'Camping with
SQLite' example for beginners (or testing new setups), I've adjusted
and pastied it:
there based
around 1.5 (well, nearly all of it is).
- Dave Everitt
Magnus Holm:
Oh, sorry. I totally forgot about this.
Are we absolutely sure that 1.5.180 is stable enough to be pushed
out to Rubyforge?
Julik Tarkhanov:
I can, but people who might need my apps can't and won't look for
non
ROFL! - DaveE
If they weren't then, they are now:
http://xkcd.com/624/
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camping/camping - Create a new user.
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2.0 on it. Let me know if you think it's handy (one for
the wiki perhaps) and I can update when 2.0 is released.
http://radiant-sunset-95.heroku.com/how-to-run-camping-2-apps-on-
heroku
Jon
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I found this the other
Nice alternative... all that's needed is a chosen domain, a friendly
host and to share out the webmastering :-)
With a little commitment from a couple of people, I'd provide the
hosting and domain.
or could they be elsewhere? And which of the many, many finds out
there when
you search
Hi Matt - great, that's a start. One more person and we're there! - Dave
I'm new to Camping (played around with some small apps, but nothing
impressive), but I'd be more than happy to be webmaster. If I could
get someone to work with, that'd be even better, of course.
Nice alternative... all
-frameworks deserve a fair hearing, and Camping isn't
getting all the web presence it deserves - that's what motivates me!
- Dave Everitt
Awesome suggestion, but we let's not forget that
camping.rubyforge.org has served us well :-)
//Magnus Holm
I second the whywentcamping.com domain.
Dave
if they are new to Ruby). I really like:
rubycamping.com
campingframework.com
Here is an additional suggestion: rubyoncamping.com (like ROR).
The new site could act as a portal for everything Camping, such as
news, rotating features on sites using Camping, code snippets, etc.
Philippe
Dave Everitt
Magnus
hope you don't mind but for now, I took the liberty of adding most of
these links to the wiki. BTW I use the mail archive pages at mail-
archive.com - easier to browse than the standard interface.
Anything you don't want on the wiki right now, please just remove.
But otherwise, it
nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that 'why' and
'went' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean 'camping', not 'caping'
didn't you :-).
I reckon: 2 domains, one obviously SEO-optimised (containing 'ruby,
camping, framework'), forwarding to another memorable one we all like
okay - which of the proposed domains works best for you? - Dave
Or better, get good search engine results without gaming the
system, and just get people to link to it -- go talk it up, blog it
up, and write some awesome stuff and post it! I'll certainly be
linking to it from my blog.
we have this wonderful tight knit little community at the moment
which would be utterly obliterated by fame. See rubyonrails for
details about why fame sucks.
LOL! Good point!
Magnus - great cartoon! More!!
Okay, we don't need SEO :-)
What motivation is there to be widely popular?
In
Okay, we don't need SEO :-)
Regardless, it's not my impression that the domain name plays much
role at all in Google's algorithm. After all, domain squatters
nearly never show up on the first page of results, despite that
most of the squatted domains are seen as valuable keyword wise. To
My partnership has VPS Dallas (Ubuntu) and London (Debian) servers
from Rimuhosting. We're about to replace the former with a more
updated system, so that could be an option, depending on where the
most visitors are likely to come from. The London server has faster
access for UK/European
Magnus
for quick fixing (since these links are on the wiki), thought you'd
like to know where the bad links are in your current README 'Camping,
the Reference' at: http://stuff.judofyr.net/camping-docs/api.html
'code' (top right menu):
- http://github.com/why/camping
+
true, but I think Philippe is using 'rubycamping.com' as a generic
term for 'the Camping website' - DaveE
I thought we settled on whywentcamping?
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Very silly me. Forgot about 'Index':
- class Pages R '/'
+ class Index
have corrected the Pastie: http://pastie.org/679826
Dave Everitt
Only one (in my setup) - on 'Wrapping it up', in the Controllers:
class Pages
needs the explicit
class Pages R
,
but I'll try to fix it as soon as possible.
//Magnus Holm
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 01:22, Dave Everitt
dever...@innotts.co.uk wrote:
I added some basic material to the GitHub Camping Wiki (new pages):
http://wiki.github.com/camping/camping
[SNIP]
Thinking about existing stuff, some time ago
Yes, it can be a bugbear.
It's a bit 'non-lazy' but I just tend to add newlines with Markaby's
'text':
def index
h1 'My Site'
text(\n\n)
p 'Welcome to my site!'
end
- DaveE
Is there anyway that I can configure Markaby to add line breaks
between block elements so I'd get something
other links that point to your server/gem
repo.
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Camping on the RAA is frozen at 1.4: http://raa.ruby-lang.org/project/
camping/
If no-one has access I could contact raa-ad...@ruby-lang.org and send
updated info, but (at present for the 'To install' part) that could
mean sending out source http://gems.judofyr.net; (Magnus?)
- Dave
any parts of the
documentation that need cleaning up?
- Dave Everitt
Let's wait until 2.0 is released. If we clean up the documentation
we have now, I'm totally in for releasing 2.0 as soon as possible
[SNIP]
//Magnus Holm
Camping on the RAA is frozen at 1.4:
http://raa.ruby-lang.org
I noticed today that this:
gem install camping --source http://gems.judofyr.net
has broken, so wanted to update the wiki at Github so visitors can
get the latest version via gem?
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Hi - take a look here:
http://stuff.judofyr.net/camping-docs/book/51_upgrading.html#from-15-
to-20
DaveE
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For now, added to the wiki under 'Miscellaneous Camping links'. Be
good to find a few more 'made with Camping' sites/apps to add to the
list - anyone want to put up their app? - Dave Everitt
Magnus Holm wrote: Cool. We'll have to find a place on the wiki for
these things :-)
Philippe
Hi Philippe
I am one of those Camping friends (although I've been too busy with
clients just lately to do much). Although I just posted links to your
Camping 'add-ons' to the wiki :-)
I agree about Sinatra - from curiosity I've even dabbled with it
myself (shame!), although it is nice
Philippe - dead simple for me. I was put off Rails a long time ago,
which is how I landed on Camping - Dave Everitt
Do people prefer something simple dead easy like filtering_camping?
Or would people prefer something more like filters in Rails
fix:
add 72.4.120.124 rubygems.org to your /etc/hosts
Otherwise, get the bleeding edge version:
sudo gem install camping --source http://gems.judofyr.net/
Dave Everitt
I want to add that I'm not behind any proxy or firewall, and that I
could successfully download/and install some other gems
Hi Raimon
I did mean that, but the rubygems site is back up... and it looks
like they're making progress as the error messages are changing. So
maybe try again tomorrow?
Dave
Hi David,
On 8jun, 2010, at 15:38 , Dave Everitt wrote:
Hi Raimon
Github is no longer maintaining
Hi Raimon - welcome, glad we got around the rubygems.org fail :-) -
Dave Everitt
sudo gem install rack --source http://chneukirchen.org/releases/gems/
ok, installed and running, now I'm a Camper!!!
:-)
Sure I'll come back here with more questions about Camping
Hi Raimon
don't know if I can just clone the git repository of restr and
install it using ruby setup.rb
that seems the best way, as David Susco suggested:
I don't believe the gem has been updated to include Matt's or
Philippe's latest changes. You could clone it from GitHub though
and
Rubygems.org was playing up recently (gems.rubyforge.org forwards to
it - see previous posts), and this looks like the same issue... Dave E.
Something's not right with your rubygems install maybe try `gem
update --system` first?
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a few things you probably already know but... just in case!
1.
because of the preceding '.' in '.camping.db' you'll need to use ls -
al to see the file listed (in the ~ home dir) in your file system.
2.
In Magnus' example settings (database = list) you can also add a
path to your
Hmm - quickly: in similar setups this usually requires UTF-8 to be
specified throughout Camping(?), the database, within your files (and
any markup files they generate), and (sometimes) also on the server.
Then you can just use/store/retrieve the characters as they are - Dave E
The main
Added to the Github Camping wiki (with your growing number of
links...) - guides these are really useful! - Dave Everitt
I also ended up writing a blog post on how to implement REST
services with RESTstop. See http://bit.ly/tareststop
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On 30 Jun 2010, at 13:57, Philippe Monnet wrote:
Who would be interested in working together on the site?
[briefly] I would. Busy today, will process latest emails and respond
later :-)
A great new step for Camping all round, though!
Dave E
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The reference show/hide JQuery fails on my latest Firefox, but this
should be simple to fix.
Dave Everitt
Just for fun and to keep creative juives flowing I mocked up one
idea of layout including a resizable look
Hi Steve - I really like that idea. Of course, someone (us) is going
to have to actually purchase the domain at some point :-) - Dave E
I don't know if it's available or not, but why not campingrb.com
rather than ruby-camping.com? Many of the other small web
frameworks follow this url
Anyone know who did this:
http://camping.tumblr.com/
?
Dave E
Jenna: I suggest a tumblr, because it doesn't cost anything, can
have group committers, all the features we need, and it too is
connected to the rich heritage of _why :)
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considering - Dave E
On 23 Jul 2010, at 17:38, Philippe Monnet wrote:
My preference would be to have Ruby explicitly mentioned in the
name and a clear easy-to-read url. This makes it a bit more SEO
friendly too which is
There aren't enough Camping questions on SO to cherry pick :-) but
getting them to use the mailing list would be good, although we'd
also want to answer directly on SO - Dave E.
On 25 Jul 2010, at 14:11, Philippe Monnet wrote:
I think we probably need to also keep an eye on StackOverflow
Librelist looks great. Can it take the existing archives? How can
inboard links to the existing list be forwarded? Are the killer
questions - Dave E.
Speaking of the mailing list: rubyforge sucks! Couldn't we have
something nice, like librelist? Those hackety hack guys with their
fancy
Okay - we might be all running before we can walk, what with no real
improvement to existing content yet.
Everything I do professionally in this field starts with a solid
content plan/list and a kind of strategy - there are some pretty good
content suggestions in older posts.
Before go
:
http://github.com/camping/camping/wiki/WhyWentCamping-Homepage
The text simply explains in plain language what the code above
actually does, that's all :-)
Dave Everitt
Hi Guys/Gals.
I am new to the world of Camping. It looks very simple. I have two
issues:
What types of applications
Hi Jenna - done (Markdown). Others can add to it now - Dave E.
Heya! So I'm trying to get this new website all tied up in a nice
little bunch. I'm a bit silly when it comes to git-fu though. Could
one of you create a page on the camping/camping wiki called
'Contributing', and put stuff in
This needs to stop - now! I've sent you another reply, so please
respond to that instead and leave off the personal exchanges - Dave E.
i've been reading what you've been writing and you obviously
haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
and rather than accusing me of not knowing
I apologise if my reply seemed pompous - your background wasn't
obvious. If you're developing a new framework, great, let us know
about it. No need for the insults, I just help out here in my free
time, that's all - Dave E.
appreciate your attempt to explain.
you assume far to much.
you
) :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_application_frameworks
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Fine with me. I'd like the idea of collating and condensing our
statements about it, and putting them somewhere too. I might do that
- Dave
http://github.com/camping/camping/wiki/Philosophy
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Hi Jenna - just checking email backlog, was going to pop something up
on Phillippe's behalf, but Rack is down on whywentcamping.com :-( -
Dave Everitt
Hey you know it would be totally awesome if you did some posts on
the camping blog at http://log.whywentcamping.com/submit about
Just did a quick gem update, including Camping 2.1, and ran 'Hello
Clock' (http://camping.rubyforge.org/book/02_getting_started.html) as
a quick test:
deveritt$ camping nuts.rb
/usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rack-1.2.2/lib/rack/utils.rb:138:in
`union': can't convert Array into String
:
https://github.com/rack/rack/pull/145
You can downgrade to 1.2.0 for now.
// Magnus Holm
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:44, Dave Everitt
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Just did a quick gem update, including Camping 2.1, and ran 'Hello
Clock'
(http://camping.rubyforge.org/book
/camping/ if anyone knows who to contact to
get this changed? - Dave
A better solution is to actually upgrade to 1.8.7 (which is
actively maintained)
// Magnus Holm
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 18:15, Dave Everitt
dever...@innotts.co.uk wrote:
Thanks Magnus - downgraded Rack to 1.2.0 after trying
Since no-one has replied, for what it's worth (as a very amateur
camper), I've always been happy with simple regular Markaby views and
the v2.1 options for external templates. Also, my modest one-file
apps have their CSS after __END__. In any sizeable app, you'd
probably want to have
I think there's nothing more fun than finding noobs and teaching
them how to make awesome hacks! I know some of you guys think like
I do, and I want to know which ones of you that is?
I'm one of those.
I've a project in mind, and it's going to take some doing. I could
do it myself, but
Everyday is WhyDay. You should know this! :D
oh yeh - I forgot :-)
I'll email you directly with infos later.
k
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Since no-one has replied, for what it's worth (as a very amateur
camper),
I've always been happy with simple regular Markaby views and the v2.1
options for external templates. Also, my modest one-file apps have
I might be missing something stupid.. but Passenger doesn't like __END__
http://pastie.org/2689517
Same code (omitting requires) fine in Camping server, not with
Passenger/Rack:
compile error config.ru:33: syntax error, unexpected $end, expecting
')' __END__ ^
Works fine under Passenger
Hi Nokan
for current efforts in this direction, see here:
https://github.com/markaby/markaby/issues/18
and here:
https://github.com/markaby/markaby/pull/26
and note:
https://github.com/igravious/markaby/commit/8be76d138228a32500f96140afca79bf95751e40
Or even:
https://github.com/zimbatm/miniby
One of Camping's major selling points is that it's just straight
forward ruby classes and modules. No magic. Magic is anything where
you don't immediately fully grasp how it works. set :controllers is
that type of thing.
-1 for magic, and +1 for questions like this:
Is it filename based?
I don't think there are any 'shoulds', but people writing code
(including markup) which other people might one day need to understand
would be wise to make it comprehensible, and probably therefore in a
recognisable, readable syntax... which I think is the essence of
Markaby and its legacy
another thread has just come alive about showing the alive-ness of
Camping (Re: +1 shorter domain name), so you might want to take a look
there too. It's a generous offer and I'm sure someone(s) will take it
up.
I actually enjoy doing tutorial stuff like this, but we're a diverse
bunch
Great! The first thing is to decide *what* to screencast... the 'blog
in 10 minutes' idea is a bit old (although an updated version would be
good because there's an old Camping one out there somewhere)...
Any suggestions for a useful, current and easy topic for a Camping
screencast?
-
Hi David
seriously do a normal, new user have to dig till stackoverflow to
find this out ? I think that db connection, especially MySQL
(because I don't think the small average web app would need mongo/
couch but that's just me) should be fairly straightforward.
it is, it's just not
My only fear was - am I doing something that people might want or is
really useless ?
it's useful :-)
So bottom line: will go ahead with the 6-7 screencasts (Isak is
doing it) and we take it from there.
...tutorials for specific things such as: adding cookies, sessions,
using different
On 30 Mar 2012, at 14:51, david costa wrote:
Vimeo is great (I use it for a lot of professional videos) but
perhaps we should have them on youtube too because google ranks
video from youtube higher on their searches.
YouTube: loads of trolls (-2) but lots of eyeballs (+1) = total: -1
ah - was just stripping out the excess and responding to multiple
parts of multiple messages in email-style. Will revert to adding at
the top - DaveE :-)
Wow. We should really enforce some sort of top or bottom posting
policy on this mailing list. Preferably top because That's the
to configure anything and/or something where you simply drop
your nuts.rb in the folder you want in apache/anything and it runs
automagically or in a very simple way.
But I am also very happy with how it works now :) just thinking loud!
David
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Dave Everitt
dever
oops - should have put my last reply here... - DaveE
Hello all,
I am opening a separate topic just to brainstorm the idea of a free,
simple camping deployment/hosting option.
Now this is not about re-inventing the wheel as heroku already
supports camping apps too. So this would be the
A bit late in the day, but (quick and probably uninformed thought,
given the volume of messages I just skimmed) might rvm help manage
Ruby installs/updates/gems safely? - DaveE
Hello again ! :)
well in theory we can chrot jail users but the best way is to
install the gems that people need
Been trying the setup (okay, this is not going to win any awards,
but...):
http://dave.camping.sh/
It's an old app rewritten (except - as yet - for the content :-)
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https://github.com/DaveEveritt/Camping-links
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Hi,
The tab Sites using Camping is empty :)
I mean no more than 0 links are there.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Dave Everitt
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I've been
I know. That's why it says Look. I haven't done this yet, okay? Give
me a break. :-)
I spent most of the afternoon checking and tidying up the other links
and the app. But they will come! I have quite a few links I haven't
put up yet.
Meanwhile, if you know of any, please reply to this
In another post, Jenna said: I have some trouble with Camping's URL
mapping system - so much so I'm considering sinatra for my next ruby
web project
I just wanted to know what the trouble was, and if/how it might/could/
can't be addressed, so started a new thread.
DaveE
Hi Nokan - it's up there :-)
BTW slow == good.
Anyone else have a site to put up?
I have been working on this in the last ~2.5 weeks: http://rapiddatingmalta.com
(Yes, I know I'm slow... :- )
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with a steady pace.
If we'd fork camping I think we should still stay as minimalistic as
possible. Only adding the best things. And work on making it easy to
extend.
Cheers!
Isak Andersson
Dave Everitt dever...@innotts.co.uk skrev
Haha! How did you get Spock on board... :-)
I must admit I'm a little confused about the sytnax for environmental
variables, because as well as
@env[HTTP_REFERER]
this also works:
ENV['SCRIPT_NAME']
For a test I just used it like this:
ENV['SCRIPT_NAME'].scan(/\w+\.\w+$/)
to get the
About environment variables - I've just used this in my Camping
helpers to print them all out, but the Rack variables seem to have
multiple values or values with no name:
def envars(theenv)
if theenv == ENV
ul do
theenv.each_pair do |name,value|
li { name + + value }
LOL! Good to know, if I ever need to do those things :-)
An A4 piece of paper has a little over 9kb of data storage if
storing in binary at 300dpi
On the other hand, Camping is already far too big to fit entirely in
a QR code. It would take as many as TWO QR codes to store camping in
Understood about compatible - this is David's Camping server, and I'm
experimenting with QUERY_STRING in the URL and various other env vars
- DaveE
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wrote:
Haha! How did you get Spock on board... :-)
I must admit I'm
as
minimalistic as possible. Only adding the best things. And
work on making it easy to extend.
Cheers!
Isak Andersson
Dave Everitt dever...@innotts.co.uk skrev:
There's a crucial point here... if 3k (the old 4k) is a
'proof of concept' and a great exercise in programming skill,
it isn't something
If you want to use something like SASS for CSS, there are gems for
that (or use LESS), but I'd never expect such functionality to be
built into in Camping - that's one of the things I *like* about it: a
small functional default set that works, with options for other ways
left to me. BTW
+1 to all that David Costa wrote in response. Magnus *has and does*
kept things solid and on track in a way that suits Camping. We're
never going to go head-to-head in the framework competition stakes
(bit late for that anyway, with frameworks swerving all over client-
side dev).
As for
Just to be clear (obviously env vars are going to differ according to
setup, but):
when env is used inside Camping, it's equivalent to @env and get Rack
env vars
when ENV is used, it will get any other environment variables, not
just from Passenger etc. but also any set by the system.
Hi cdr - thanks for this, but I've not been able to do key value on
the Rack envs as some seem to have a different format - see the other
post I added to this thread - DaveE
how Rack env vars are stored, and how
to get a nice printout?
i defined #to_html on everything. on Array thats
Daniel - that's a great reply and echoes much of my own experience
(although my Camping is much more on the tinkering side). The point
about Camping being an educational tool is a good one, which I've even
tried to apply to students (unsuccessfully - but that's my problem),
and it would be
Not to forget Perl (who would have thought that?) which currently
has the best web framework I've ever seen: http://mojolicio.us/
I would have thought it - my sometimes co-developer opened my eyes to
Titanium:
http://mark.stosberg.com/blog/2008/12/titanium-a-new-release-and-more.html
and
Hi Nokan
I'm a professional newbie (simply because I use and teach a wide range
of stuff and only go deep when I have to :-)
As I'm sure you're aware, as an embedded lightweight database SQLite
makes an easily-managed default setup (as in Camping... and Django,
and even within OS X and,
I'm compiling Camping links... please can someone refresh my memory:
how does this:
https://github.com/igravious/markaby
relate to this:
https://github.com/camping/mab
?
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becoming
incompatible with an update to it's dependancy Builder.
—
Jenna
On Wednesday, 2 May 2012 at 10:15 PM, Dave Everitt wrote:
I'm compiling Camping links... please can someone refresh my memory:
how does this:
https://github.com/igravious/markaby
relate to this:
https://github.com/camping
You could read Stallman's CopyLeft idea http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/
to prevent unscrupulous individual from turning your code into a
profitable product (I think) - DaveE
This is very helpful! I don't really mind though. Maybe public
domain is best. I'm not a big believer in copyright.
—
LOL if you don't, that's okay! Just in case you did... - DE
Why would I care if they did that?
—
Jenna
On Wednesday, 2 May 2012 at 11:19 PM, Dave Everitt wrote:
You could read Stallman's CopyLeft idea http://www.gnu.org/
copyleft/ to prevent unscrupulous individual from turning your code
thanks Magnus, Anthony - that's all going in my quickref 'solutions
log'... DE
Public domain is people can do whatever they want with it.
BSD is people can do whatever they want with it, but I retain
copyright and they must credit me. (so the copyright part isn't that
important there).
GPL
This is all interesting stuff - never knew the Camping community had a
licensing information stream. I gave a talk that included the basics
(A tiny history of Stallman, FOSS and the Open Source 'split') to
students a few years back. If I ever do it again, this'll make me
revisit the
Perhaps this rich seam of knowledge could be captured in a little
Camping app: 'a guide to software licenses' :-)
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:35:45AM -0700, Trevor Johns wrote:
MIT is marginally simpler to read and is unambiguous, since there's
only
one version. For this reason, it's my
I'll second that. I remember Ballmer's Linux is a cancer... and gave
an overview of the origins and rationale to students in a (shame - the
only Powerpoint) presentation I still use: http://www.slideshare.net/cubexplorer/opensource-5479951
- DaveE
thank you Mr. Stallman. Thank you Mr.
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