On 06.07.2008, at 21:29, J. Shirley wrote:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:23 AM, Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Thank you very much! Marcus Ramberg already pointed me to the
catalyst
subversion repository where the eps version is also stored :)
Hey Tobias and all,
What's the verdict h
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:23 AM, Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Mark,
>
> Quoting Mark Keating <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I have the original .eps file of the Catalyst logo, you will find it at:
>> http://www.external.shadowcatprojects.net/data/common/images/catalyst
>> logo.eps
>
> Th
Hey Mark,
Quoting Mark Keating <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I have the original .eps file of the Catalyst logo, you will find it at:
> http://www.external.shadowcatprojects.net/data/common/images/catalyst
> logo.eps
Thank you very much! Marcus Ramberg already pointed me to the catalyst
subversion repos
I have the original .eps file of the Catalyst logo, you will find it at:
http://www.external.shadowcatprojects.net/data/common/images/catalyst
logo.eps
It can be scaled to pretty much any size in a IMP but if you would like
it as a png/gif/jpg of a set size/quality and do not have the
time/i
Tobias Kremer ha scritto:
Quoting Aristotle Pagaltzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
* Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-17 08:40]:
I've incorporated some of the suggestions into the next version
of the mockup which can be found here:
Awesome. There are still nits, but you have already made tho
On 18.06.2008, at 00:18, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
* Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-17 16:05]:
A width of 960 pixels is the current standard
Any less than a 1020px window and I get a horizontal scrollbar.
That is why I noticed at all.
Ah yes, that's because of the padding around
Aristotle Pagaltzis ha scritto:
* Marcello Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-17 08:50]:
To "get started" I would put up a simple page with a bullet
list where in a few points the reader has to learn: what is
catalyst, what benefits it brings to web developement, how to
install it, then point t
* Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-17 16:05]:
> A width of 960 pixels is the current standard
Any less than a 1020px window and I get a horizontal scrollbar.
That is why I noticed at all.
> I hadn't heard of jello layouts before - it seems they're very
> rarely used ...
Yes, and it is
My bikeshed has blue shag carpets with a disco ball and tinted windows.
:-)
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On Jun 17, 2008, at 8:18 AM, J. Shirley wrote:
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Quoting Aristotle Pagaltzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
* Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-17 11:40]:
I've started to code the site and the ongoing process is
available
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quoting Aristotle Pagaltzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> * Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-17 11:40]:
>> > I've started to code the site and the ongoing process is
>> > available at http://www.funkreich.de/catalyst
>>
Quoting Aristotle Pagaltzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> * Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-17 11:40]:
> > I've started to code the site and the ongoing process is
> > available at http://www.funkreich.de/catalyst
> Hmm, that *requires* a maximised browser window on a 1024Ã768
> screen. I donâ
* Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-17 11:40]:
> I've started to code the site and the ongoing process is
> available at http://www.funkreich.de/catalyst
Hmm, that *requires* a maximised browser window on a 1024×768
screen. I don’t know if it really should… how about a jello
layout?
> My
The classic 2/3 column layouts have become a bit out-of-fashion
recently which
is why I decided against using them (which doesn't mean they don't
make sense
anymore). Besides, I don't see that many sub-navigation points for
the Catalyst
site ...
I agree with the out-of-fashion 2/3 col
Quoting Moritz Onken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I've started to code the site and the ongoing process is available at
> > http://www.funkreich.de/catalyst.
> Nice work!
Thanks!
> Some points:
> - I'd prefer a layout like www.ajaxian.com where the main part is in
> the middle of the page
The classi
I've started to code the site and the ongoing process is available at
http://www.funkreich.de/catalyst. It's currently known to look good
in Mozilla
Firefox and Safari. MSIE (as always) still looks a bit odd but I
think we're
far from browser-optimizing the site :)
Nice work!
Some points:
Quoting Aristotle Pagaltzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> * Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-17 08:40]:
> > I've incorporated some of the suggestions into the next version
> > of the mockup which can be found here:
> Awesome. There are still nits, but you have already made those
> clear yourself
* Marcello Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-17 08:50]:
> To "get started" I would put up a simple page with a bullet
> list where in a few points the reader has to learn: what is
> catalyst, what benefits it brings to web developement, how to
> install it, then point to the first, simple tutoria
* Ali M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-17 09:00]:
> One more thing I like about the grails site is that the design
> is really different! At least to me its like nothing i've seen
> before ... i will never confuse the grails site for another one
Honestly, I find the Grails site design quite ugly. I
* Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-17 08:40]:
> I've incorporated some of the suggestions into the next version
> of the mockup which can be found here:
>
> http://funkreich.de/catalyst/v2.png
Awesome. There are still nits, but you have already made those
clear yourself, and it’s a huge
Tobias Kremer ha scritto:
Quoting Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
The other proposed layouts are making fundamental mistakes regarding
color scheme choice and/or distribution of elements. I'm not a professional
web
designer but a blue box with a thick light green frame below a dark red
header
On 13 Jun 2008, at 15:03, Jonathan Rockway wrote:
* On Fri, Jun 13 2008, Jonathan Tweed wrote:
On 13 Jun 2008, at 13:51, Jonathan Rockway wrote:
It all boils down to this. Catalyst is the only really useful Perl
web
framework. Perl is the only really useful language for writing web
applicat
* Jonathan Rockway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-13 15:00]:
> There is nothing worse than a committee that distorts the
> artist's vision. (When everyone agrees on every detail, you get
> Microsoft. Bland.)
Sorry, but you don’t seem to know what you are talking about.
Microsoft-style design happens
* On Fri, Jun 13 2008, Jonathan Tweed wrote:
> On 13 Jun 2008, at 13:51, Jonathan Rockway wrote:
>
>> It all boils down to this. Catalyst is the only really useful Perl
>> web
>> framework. Perl is the only really useful language for writing web
>> applications. So people are going to use Cataly
Jonathan Rockway wrote:
Let's spend our collective efforts doing something other than arguing
about colors.
Exactly. Leave the design of the site as it is and concentrate on making
the the content easier to understand and use.
Sprawling inconsistent self-contradictory content is still that n
From: "Jonathan Tweed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> On 13 Jun 2008, at 13:51, Jonathan
Rockway wrote:
>
>> It all boils down to this. Catalyst is the only really useful Perl
>> web
>> framework. Perl is the only really useful language for writing web
>> applications. So people are going to use Catal
On the subject of Cornfields.
Hi all, just for the curious:
The cornfield used in this image was found by me and the composite
picture put together with one or two other Catalyst insiders in 2005.
The original image had a different corn-circle - which I edited out and
then we replaced it with
On 13 Jun 2008, at 13:51, Jonathan Rockway wrote:
It all boils down to this. Catalyst is the only really useful Perl
web
framework. Perl is the only really useful language for writing web
applications. So people are going to use Catalyst regardless of
whether
the background color on the
* On Thu, Jun 12 2008, Cory Watson wrote:
> I've been ignoring this thread because it's a bunch of bikeshedding.
Basically, I agree.
Let's let the designers design. There is nothing worse than a committee
that distorts the artist's vision. (When everyone agrees on every
detail, you get Microsof
On 13 Jun 2008, at 12:57, Cory Watson wrote:
I've been ignoring this thread because it's a bunch of bikeshedding.
Umm, bikeshedding is not feedback. OTOH feedback can turn into an
endless sunday afternoon in the hardware store feeling suicidal about
paint charts, so I kind of get your po
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:56 AM, Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I couldn't resist it ... Here's something I whipped up in the last hour or
> so:
>
> http://www.funkreich.de/catalystorg.png
>
>
> Shall I continue my effort or is this too little too late? :)
I've been ignoring this
My vote is for the crop circle one. I REALLY like that one. But incorporate
the Chuck Norris title into it :-)
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12.06.2008, at 22:43, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
>
>> * Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-12 13:00
On 12.06.2008, at 22:43, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
* Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-12 13:00]:
I couldn't resist it ... Here's something I whipped up in the
last hour or so:
http://www.funkreich.de/catalystorg.png
Shall I continue my effort or is this too little too late? :)
I lik
* Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-12 13:00]:
> I couldn't resist it ... Here's something I whipped up in the
> last hour or so:
>
> http://www.funkreich.de/catalystorg.png
>
> It's nothing revolutionary. Of course, the content needs quite
> a bit of work and the graphics are not very pol
On 12.06.2008, at 20:22, Simon Wilcox wrote:
> Matt S Trout wrote:
>> I was thinking about yours but can I get away with asking for all of the
>> above? Given myself and kieren both find most of the other sites
>> objectionable it'd be nice to see why you prefer them.
I like the 60s/70s style of t
On 12.06.2008, at 20:22, Simon Wilcox wrote:
Matt S Trout wrote:
I was thinking about yours but can I get away with asking for all
of the
above? Given myself and kieren both find most of the other sites
objectionable
it'd be nice to see why you prefer them.
I like the 60s/70s style of the
On 12-Jun-08, at 8:12 AM, Matt S Trout wrote:
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 09:48:55AM +0200, Tobias Kremer wrote:
Once again, sorry for being so negative but this just shows how
much I
care about Catalyst gaining more attention.
Enough to say you hate them all but not enough to try and say wh
Matt S Trout wrote:
I was thinking about yours but can I get away with asking for all of the
above? Given myself and kieren both find most of the other sites objectionable
it'd be nice to see why you prefer them.
I think you're not the target audience that those sites are trying to
reach. As s
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 05:00:04PM +0200, Tobias Kremer wrote:
> Point taken! I didn't mean to insult anyone! I'm sorry if that was the
> impression I gave.
Either way it's now corrected :)
> I find it highly problematic and cumbersome to discuss layouts from a
> graphical
> point of view. One c
> So it's subjective - the whole point of this was to provide -feedback- so
> the designers could understand what people did and didn't like. Telling us
> you'd be worried about Catalyst's future if we used any without a single
> bit of constructive criticism is ... well, frankly, completely useles
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 09:48:55AM +0200, Tobias Kremer wrote:
> I don't want to sound rude but I don't like any of the proposed
> designs. To be honest, from a stilistic point of view they all look
> worse than the current Catalyst frontpage. They all pale in comparison
> to nearly EVERY other MVC
* On Wed, Jun 11 2008, Gabriel Vieira wrote:
> Hahaha. Nice! I didn't see that.
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Devin Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Kieren Diment <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On 12 Jun 2008, at 07:23, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
* Mat
Quoting Tobias Kremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The other proposed layouts are making fundamental mistakes regarding
> color scheme choice and/or distribution of elements. I'm not a professional
> web
> designer but a blue box with a thick light green frame below a dark red
> header
> and everything b
On Jun 12, 2008, at 10:40, Simon Wilcox wrote:
Kieren Diment wrote:
Subjectively speaking, I think that all the sites you mention
above are horribly ugly with the exception of the rubyonrails one
which is quite nice. Mainly the other sites lose me in a
technicolour yawn (http://www.urban
Quoting Kieren Diment <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 12 Jun 2008, at 17:48, Tobias Kremer wrote:
> > worse than the current Catalyst frontpage. They all pale in comparison
> > to nearly EVERY other MVC framework's web site. Look at
> > djangoproject.com,
> > cakephp.org, symfony-project.org, even rubyo
Kieren Diment wrote:
Subjectively speaking, I think that all the sites you mention above are
horribly ugly with the exception of the rubyonrails one which is quite
nice. Mainly the other sites lose me in a technicolour yawn
(http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=technicolor+yawn) of
On 12 Jun 2008, at 17:48, Tobias Kremer wrote:
I don't want to sound rude but I don't like any of the proposed
designs. To be honest, from a stilistic point of view they all look
worse than the current Catalyst frontpage. They all pale in comparison
to nearly EVERY other MVC framework's web sit
On 11.06.2008, at 23:26, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
> * Christopher H. Laco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-11 23:05]:
>> I'd much rather see a footer more like this one:
>>
>> http://movabletype.org/
>
> ++
>
> Thats exactly the kind of what does the first-time visitor
> expect to see/do here?-dr
Hi,
> (1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat
> I am well aware of this - the top 'tempter' paragraph is way too ugly
> and on this monitor makes the text pretty difficult to read, but I was
> on a too tight a schedule to do anything about this. The bottom half
> of the page has had very little ti
Hahaha. Nice! I didn't see that.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Devin Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like it for the mere fact that in the title it says "Chuck Norris's
> Framework"
>
> :-)
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Kieren Diment <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On 12 Jun 2008,
(1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat
This is the one I would pick, even though it is bland. It looks
like any other current site. But within the current line-up I
would consider that a strength…
I am well aware of this - the top 'tempter' paragraph is way too ugly
and on this monitor makes the t
I like it for the mere fact that in the title it says "Chuck Norris's
Framework"
:-)
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Kieren Diment <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 12 Jun 2008, at 07:23, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
>
> * Matt S Trout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-11 22:05]:
>>
>>> (1) http://ww
On 12 Jun 2008, at 07:23, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
* Matt S Trout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-11 22:05]:
(1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat
This is the one I would pick, even though it is bland. It looks
like any other current site. But within the current line-up I
would consider that a st
* Christopher H. Laco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-06-11 23:05]:
> I'd much rather see a footer more like this one:
>
> http://movabletype.org/
++
That’s exactly the kind of “what does the first-time visitor
expect to see/do here?”-driven design (by which I mean the “how
it works” not the “how it lo
I’m going to preface this by saying sorry for being so negative,
as I know how attached people can get to their creative output…
please keep in mind that I am making these comments in the
interest of improving Cat’s marketing. And I have to agree with
Gabriel that none of these would really attract
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