Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-11 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 06/08/2019 16:38, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: The VAX 11/780 definitely had PDP-11 emulation, apparently in the microcode.  I'm kind of guessing the 750 and 730 also had this. As far as I know, no later machines had hardware (microcode) emulation, and did it all by software.  It didn't take

PDP-11 Emulation on VAX Was Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-06 Thread Ray Jewhurst via cctalk
If I am not mistaken the 8600/50 were the last VAXen to feature PDP-11 emulation. After VMS 3.x the functionality was dropped so it was very short lived on the 8600. Ray

Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-06 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 08/06/2019 03:42 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via cctalk Sent: 06 August 2019 04:25 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta On 8/5/19 8:40 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: Now why could

Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-06 Thread Tapley, Mark via cctalk
> On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:41 PM, Richard Loken via cctalk > wrote: > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] > > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, Boris Gimbarzevsky wrote: > >> A mere 579 miles from Kamloops. Unfortunately have to talk to my wife who >> thinks I have too many computers even though I've given away bulk of my

RE: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-06 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via > cctalk > Sent: 06 August 2019 04:25 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta > > On 8/5/19 8:40 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > > Now why could

Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-05 Thread Richard Loken via cctalk
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, Boris Gimbarzevsky wrote: A mere 579 miles from Kamloops. Unfortunately have to talk to my wife who thinks I have too many computers even though I've given away bulk of my DEC stuff. Never got a chance to play around on Alpha as it came out during my Mac days. A mere

Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-05 Thread Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk
Had to give away my Minc system with 2 RLO2 drives and 2 RK03 drives but it did go to a good home. Have a couple of 11/23 systems left but have been in storeage long enough that can't fire them up without first totally going over power supplies as large electrolytics don't age well. My

Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-05 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 8/5/19 8:40 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: Now why could it not be a nice little PDP 11. I thought that it could be if it was running emulation software. Or was that more that the VAX-11 could emulate a PDP-11 up to a specific version & hardware combination? (Read: Did this functionality not

Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-05 Thread Richard Loken via cctalk
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, ben via cctalk wrote: Now why could it not be a nice little PDP 11. Ben. I once had a pDp11/04 which I let go, it did not seem like much at the time but now I feel differantly. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV: "...underneath those tuques we wear, Athabasca, Alberta

Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-05 Thread ben via cctalk
On 8/5/2019 6:51 PM, Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk wrote: A mere 579 miles from Kamloops.  Unfortunately have to talk to my wife who thinks I have too many computers even though I've given away bulk of my DEC stuff.  Never got a chance to play around on Alpha as it came out during my Mac days.

Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-05 Thread Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk
A mere 579 miles from Kamloops. Unfortunately have to talk to my wife who thinks I have too many computers even though I've given away bulk of my DEC stuff. Never got a chance to play around on Alpha as it came out during my Mac days. I have access to 3 ES45s, a DS15, and an RA8000 in a

Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-05 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
On 8/5/19 12:50 PM, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 10:39:01AM -0600, Richard Loken via cctalk wrote: Athabasca, Alberta is about 1.000km North of the US Montana border and 10,000km from nowhere And 2,248 miles from my house, according to Google Maps :-) I'll bet it

Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-05 Thread Mark Linimon via cctalk
On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 10:39:01AM -0600, Richard Loken via cctalk wrote: > Athabasca, Alberta is about 1.000km North of the US Montana border > and 10,000km from nowhere And 2,248 miles from my house, according to Google Maps :-) I'll bet it would be a pretty road trip but I think I'll have to

Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-05 Thread Tapley, Mark via cctalk
> On Aug 5, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Seth Morabito via cctalk > wrote: > > I'm tempted, but... I don't know where I'd put it. I'm clean out of room for > a whole rack :( Seth, you just need to think about this objectively. Alphaserver rack …..

Re: Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-05 Thread Seth Morabito via cctalk
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, at 9:39 AM, Richard Loken via cctalk wrote: > I have access to 3 ES45s, a DS15, and an RA8000 in a tall blue Compaq rack > in Athabasca, Alberta. All the in-service disks were removed but all the > spares are available. The box also has the fibre switches used the connect

Alphaservers for free in Athabasca, Alberta

2019-08-05 Thread Richard Loken via cctalk
I have access to 3 ES45s, a DS15, and an RA8000 in a tall blue Compaq rack in Athabasca, Alberta. All the in-service disks were removed but all the spares are available. The box also has the fibre switches used the connect the RA8000 to the servers and the cables, much of the paper

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2019-01-25 Thread Andrew Luke Nesbit via cctalk
I think that learning foundational principles on real AlphaServers, with a good teacher, /actually sets up students in greater stead compared to computers based in the x86_84 universe, for example/.  I mean this on many levels and across varying dimensions. Kind of like how I learned computer archit

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2019-01-25 Thread Jim Manley via cctalk
channel speeds, AIUI). We’ll make some videos eventually as they puzzle their way through getting software licenses acquired and installed, things are configured to work together, and we get proof-of-life command line prompts. I hope you are able to acquire your own Alphaservers and whatever other

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2019-01-25 Thread Andrew Luke Nesbit via cctalk
Dear Richard, Thank you for replying in such a considered way. Please see below for comments. On 25/01/2019 00:07, Richard Loken via cctalk wrote: > All of you have at one time expressed interest in all or part of this > rack full of Alphaservers and one of you even talked about d

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2019-01-25 Thread Richard Loken via cctalk
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: I also know I think other have their dibs in first.  But if they wash out... Thanks John, I will keep you in mind. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV: "...underneath those tuques we wear, Athabasca, Alberta Canada : our

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2019-01-24 Thread John H. Reinhardt via cctalk
On 1/24/2019 6:07 PM, Richard Loken via cctalk wrote: Gentemen, All of you have at one time expressed interest in all or part of this rack full of Alphaservers and one of you even talked about driving a truck up from Montana and taking it all home. Are any of you still interested? First

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2019-01-24 Thread Richard Loken via cctalk
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019, Jim Manley wrote: I've got everything lined up to do a full pickup, except the timing. It will have to be next Saturday, 2/2, or preferably 2/9, but I appreciate that the owner has waited this long. The only potential bugaboo could be the weather, but the cycle seems to

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2019-01-24 Thread Jim Manley via cctalk
Loken wrote: > Gentemen, > > All of you have at one time expressed interest in all or part of this > rack full of Alphaservers and one of you even talked about driving a truck > up from Montana and taking it all home. > > Are any of you still interested? > > First prior

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2019-01-24 Thread Richard Loken via cctalk
Gentemen, All of you have at one time expressed interest in all or part of this rack full of Alphaservers and one of you even talked about driving a truck up from Montana and taking it all home. Are any of you still interested? First priority goes to anybody willing to come up here and pick up

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-21 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, Richard Loken via cctalk wrote: > > I also know that the DS20 mother boards had hardware on them such as USB > controllers and maybe SCSI controllers that were not supported by either > OS. > I recall having a retired DS20 doing light duties back at the office. It used to

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Dec 18, 2018, at 11:01 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > On 12/18/2018 11:55 AM, Zane Healy wrote: >> My main box is now a Compaq XP1000/667, though I’m slowly moving everything >> to a virtualized cluster. > > Will you please share details about what you're hosting your

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 12/18/2018 11:55 AM, Zane Healy wrote: My main box is now a Compaq XP1000/667, though I’m slowly moving everything to a virtualized cluster. Will you please share details about what you're hosting your virtualized cluster on? Please include emulator and / or hypervisor. -- Grant. . .

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Dec 18, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > On 12/18/2018 10:28 AM, Zane Healy wrote: >> On Alpha’s, the SRM console supports both OpenVMS and Tru64, while the ARC >> firmware only supports WinNT. > > Wasn't it possible to switch between ARC and SRM on many Alphas?

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 12/18/2018 10:28 AM, Zane Healy wrote: On Alpha’s, the SRM console supports both OpenVMS and Tru64, while the ARC firmware only supports WinNT. Wasn't it possible to switch between ARC and SRM on many Alphas? As in to overwrite one firmware with the other? -- Grant. . . . unix || die

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Richard Loken via cctalk
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, Tapley, Mark via cctalk wrote: Not to start a flame war, but I?m well aware VMS supports clustering pretty well, so I?m puzzled - does anyone know why the Product Description called out Tru64 rather than VMS or both? Was Compaq de-emphasizing VMS when that was written?

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Dec 18, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > On 12/18/2018 09:08 AM, Tapley, Mark via cctalk wrote: >> Not to start a flame war, but I’m well aware VMS supports clustering pretty >> well, so I’m puzzled - does anyone know why the Product Description called >> out

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 12/18/2018 09:08 AM, Tapley, Mark via cctalk wrote: Not to start a flame war, but I’m well aware VMS supports clustering pretty well, so I’m puzzled - does anyone know why the Product Description called out Tru64 rather than VMS or both? Was Compaq de-emphasizing VMS when that was written?

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Tapley, Mark via cctalk
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:29 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk > wrote: > > I have two ES47 System Building Block Drawers boxes, each with two > 1GHz 21364 EV7 processors, which form a four CPU ES47 Model 4 when the > two boxes are connected via the interprocessor hose cables. I didn't > have any issues

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-17 Thread Andrew Luke Nesbit via cctalk
to, experience the same exhilaration as owning an AS. Having a small cluster of AlphaServers, plus RAID server and fibre switches, fits in SO PERFECTLY with my side project; it's about formalising methods for distributed computation and then making a libre-friendly distributed computing environment

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-17 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 4:49 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > > On 12/17/18 4:27 PM, Richard Loken via cctalk wrote: >> Anything >> Tru64 Unix does VMS does better. Anything Linux does Tru64 Unix does >> better. >> >> Have I made my bigotry clear? > > Spoken like a true VMS Jackass > >

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-17 Thread Richard Loken via cctalk
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018, Jacob Ritorto wrote: There are contractors who have the hardware to correctly and contractually perform mil spec data wipe in situations like this. More thorough than leaving sitting on some shelf and crossing fingers that one will find time to burn them or whatever. I

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-17 Thread Jacob Ritorto via cctalk
cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Ladies and gentlemen, > > I have immediate access to four Alphaservers, an RA8000 raid server, > and the associated fibre switches in need of a new home. > > There three servers that were running Tru64 Unix 5 when shut down a wee

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-17 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 12/17/18 5:27 PM, Richard Loken via cctalk wrote: Anything Tru64 Unix does VMS does better. Anything Linux does Tru64 Unix does better. If that's true, then I would expect Tru64 to have better support of modern cryptographic ciphers than Linux. Carrying your analogy further, I'd expect

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-17 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 3:45 PM Tapley, Mark via cctalk wrote: > > I hope hard enough that this cluster gets saved that if no-one else comes > forward, I’d like to be notified….I’m not certain what I could arrange, but > the thought of running my own personal Alpha supercomputer … wow. Not sure

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-17 Thread Andrew Luke Nesbit via cctalk
to, experience the same exhilaration as owning an AS. Having a small cluster of AlphaServers, plus RAID server and fibre switches, fits in SO PERFECTLY with my side project; it's about formalising methods for distributed computation and then making a libre-friendly distributed computing environment

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-17 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/17/18 4:27 PM, Richard Loken via cctalk wrote: > Anything > Tru64 Unix does VMS does better.  Anything Linux does Tru64 Unix does > better. > > Have I made my bigotry clear? > Spoken like a true VMS Jackass Some things stay constant over the DECades

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-17 Thread Richard Loken via cctalk
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018, Tapley, Mark via cctalk wrote: Wikipedia reports there is some variability in ES45 models, including number of CPU and amount of memory. Any idea what model/spec these are? If I recall correctly the ES45s each have 2 CPUs. The three ES45s are not intentical, the one that

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-17 Thread Richard Loken via cctalk
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 12/17/2018 04:02 PM, Richard Loken via cctalk wrote: I have immediate access to four Alphaservers, an RA8000 raid server, and the associated fibre switches in need of a new home. Where are the servers located? Are they in Athabasca

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-17 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 12/17/2018 04:45 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctalk wrote: I hope hard enough that this cluster gets saved that if no-one else comes forward, I’d like to be notified….I’m not certain what I could arrange, but the thought of running my own personal Alpha supercomputer … wow. Agreed. Not sure how

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-17 Thread Tapley, Mark via cctalk
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 5:32 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > On 12/17/2018 04:02 PM, Richard Loken via cctalk wrote: >> I have immediate access to four Alphaservers, an RA8000 raid server, and the >> associated fibre switches in need of a new home. > >

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-17 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 12/17/2018 04:02 PM, Richard Loken via cctalk wrote: I have immediate access to four Alphaservers, an RA8000 raid server, and the associated fibre switches in need of a new home. Where are the servers located? Are they in Athabasca, Alberta Canada near you? There three servers that were

Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-17 Thread Richard Loken via cctalk
Ladies and gentlemen, I have immediate access to four Alphaservers, an RA8000 raid server, and the associated fibre switches in need of a new home. There three servers that were running Tru64 Unix 5 when shut down a week ago, they are a DS15, and two ES45s. There is also a third ES45 which has

Re: R: AlphaServers

2018-03-21 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
edì 21 marzo 2018 19:17 > A: Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk > Oggetto: Re: R: AlphaServers > > On 3/21/2018 9:58 AM, Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk wrote: > > Two Digital Pws 500/au, one with vms (8.4), one with vms (8.4) and tru64 > (latest version, supposedly) > > > >

R: R: AlphaServers

2018-03-21 Thread Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk
: AlphaServers On 3/21/2018 9:58 AM, Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk wrote: > Two Digital Pws 500/au, one with vms (8.4), one with vms (8.4) and tru64 > (latest version, supposedly) > > -Messaggio originale- > Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di John Blak

Re: R: AlphaServers

2018-03-21 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctalk
: mercoledì 21 marzo 2018 10:49 A: cctalk@classiccmp.org Oggetto: Re: AlphaServers I've got two, the first being an 3000/400 64mb with two 146 gb SCSI-320 drives running on converters, one with openBSD 6 and the other with openvms 8.4 running headless. I doubt I'll ever be able to find the monitor, much

R: AlphaServers

2018-03-21 Thread Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk
: AlphaServers I've got two, the first being an 3000/400 64mb with two 146 gb SCSI-320 drives running on converters, one with openBSD 6 and the other with openvms 8.4 running headless. I doubt I'll ever be able to find the monitor, much less the needed cables and keyboard/mouse to turn

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-21 Thread John Blake via cctalk
I've got two, the first being an 3000/400 64mb with two 146 gb SCSI-320 drives running on converters, one with openBSD 6 and the other with openvms 8.4 running headless. I doubt I'll ever be able to find the monitor, much less the needed cables and keyboard/mouse to turn it into the desktop it

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-19 Thread Pete Lancashire via cctalk
lf Of > Douglas > > > Taylor via cctalk > > > Sent: 19 March 2018 15:39 > > > To: Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > > Subject: Re: AlphaServers > > > > > > Anyone out there do Alphas anymore? > > > &g

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-19 Thread Mark Wickens via cctalk
mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Douglas > > Taylor via cctalk > > Sent: 19 March 2018 15:39 > > To: Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > Subject: Re: AlphaServers > > > > Anyone out there do Alphas anymore? > > > &

RE: AlphaServers

2018-03-19 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Douglas > Taylor via cctalk > Sent: 19 March 2018 15:39 > To: Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: AlphaServers > > Anyone out there do

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-19 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctalk
Anyone out there do Alphas anymore? I have a running; 1000A 4/266 with 384MB Ram an full compliment of Storage Works disks (has redundant power supplies and a nice roll around cabinet) 3000-300 booting from a SCSI2SD disk, (this is nice since it is kind of light and can be picked up and

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018, Zane Healy wrote: I’ve been using the HP SFF systems. I think the i5 I got specifically to run SIMH is a 6300. It’s an i5-3470 3.2Ghz system with 4 GB RAM. I had to add a hard drive, but had an old 500GB drive laying around. That’s plenty big to backup and migrate the

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 12:40 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Mar 2018, Zane Healy wrote: > >> I’m currently using Ubuntu (I’ve run SIMH a lot of different UNIX & Linux >> flavors over the years). >> >> With the ESXI and RPi systems, I’m using the version of

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018, Zane Healy wrote: Really on the VAX side, emulation makes sense. For $75, I picked up a HP i5 system that’s dedicated to running SIMH 24x7, and I also have SIMH running on my HP i7 ESXI system, and on a RPi2. The i7 is my fastest “VAX”. Zane, what's the host OS

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Mar 13, 2018, at 1:54 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2018, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > >> Really on the VAX side, emulation makes sense. For $75, I picked up a HP i5 >> system that’s dedicated to running SIMH 24x7, and I also have SIMH running

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Adrian Graham via cctalk
>Maybe someone on CC can ID them Looks like an 800, DS20 and either a 1200 or early DS20 which was built into a 1200 case. Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Mar 2018, at 17:27, Pete Lancashire via cctalk > wrote: > > Maybe someone on CC can ID them

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Pete Lancashire via cctalk
The are in Oregon about 25 miles west of Portland. I don't remember the model numbers. It maybe some time before I can get to them, but they to go, where they are being stored needs to be emptied of anything of value by early July. What is left will go to recycle or metal scrap. I am looking for

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
What models are these? You said they’re in Oregon? Zane > On Mar 14, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Pete Lancashire via cctalk > wrote: > > so do the 3 macines go in the scrap pile ? > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/fx4Dw6RrQgVJBXWo1

R: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk
I hope the answer is "no" :S -Messaggio originale- Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Pete Lancashire via cctalk Inviato: mercoledì 14 marzo 2018 17:15 A: Toby Thain; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Oggetto: Re: AlphaServers so ...

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Holm Tiffe via cctalk
Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk wrote: > Place your wagers... > > > How many more years do you think it'll take before decent, practical-sized > Alphas, like the DS15, and to some degree, the DS10, will be obtainable at > hobbyist-friendly prices? > > > I have an ES47 I got for a price I could

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Pete Lancashire via cctalk
so do the 3 macines go in the scrap pile ? https://photos.app.goo.gl/fx4Dw6RrQgVJBXWo1 On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 2018-03-14 6:55 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > On 14 March 2018 at 11:06, Adrian Graham via cctalk > >

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2018-03-14 6:55 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On 14 March 2018 at 11:06, Adrian Graham via cctalk > wrote: >> >> I'm in the process of giving >> some of them away though because they take up too much room. > > The OpenBSD project are, or were, looking for

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Michael-John Turner via cctalk
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 12:02:24PM +, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: Cause/effect error. I offered my 4000/60 to him when I was leaving the country in 2014. After some weeks of consideration, during which time I packed it up and got it delivered to Red Hat in Farnborough, he decided he didn't

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On 14 March 2018 at 12:54, Michael-John Turner wrote: > > I'm guessing the lack of interest from Theo may have been because the VAX > port was dropped after OpenBSD 5.9[1]. Was rather sad when that happened as > NetBSD's VAX support isn't in a great state these days. > > [1]

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Michael-John Turner via cctalk
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 12:44:15PM +, Kyle Owen via cctalk wrote: Several people have now mentioned they have dead Alphas. What is generally failing about them? A number of years ago I had an AlphaServer 2100 running Tru64 that just died. It worked fine one day and the next day started

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Michael-John Turner via cctalk
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:55:18AM +, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: But if anyone is willing to donate a /90 or similar, he might be interested. I'm guessing the lack of interest from Theo may have been because the VAX port was dropped after OpenBSD 5.9[1]. Was rather sad when that

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On 14 March 2018 at 11:06, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > > I'm in the process of giving > some of them away though because they take up too much room. The OpenBSD project are, or were, looking for donations of high-end VAXstations. I offered them a VAXstation 4000/60

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-14 Thread Adrian Graham via cctalk
> Anyone out there do Alphas anymore? I'm lucky enough to be in a position where they drop out of the woodwork into my lap, the biggest being a DS25 running Tru64 and the smallest being the Multia NT Workstation. Ones in use fairly regularly are a DS10 along with my VAX 3100/90 from an old

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Mar 13, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk > wrote: > > So for the most part, no hobbyists are running DS15’s? I’m sort of surprised > that there’s that many still in critical production roles. Where’s all the > VAR guys trying to help people migrate?

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
> DEC PC-form-factor motherboard. I can't remember the model number, > but this fits in a standard PC tower case. Made to run WinNT or UNIX. Probably one of the 164LXes or similar. I have a 164LX here running Tru64 and OpenGenera. -- personal:

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 4:36 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 12:25 AM, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk > wrote: >> Anyone out there do Alphas anymore? > > I did a bit of work on Alphas from 1997-2003 but at home I have... > > DEC 4000

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk
So for the most part, no hobbyists are running DS15’s? I’m sort of surprised that there’s that many still in critical production roles. Where’s all the VAR guys trying to help people migrate? Haha. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 13, 2018, at 2:09 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: Really on the VAX side, emulation makes sense. For $75, I picked up a HP i5 system that’s dedicated to running SIMH 24x7, and I also have SIMH running on my HP i7 ESXI system, and on a RPi2. The i7 is my fastest “VAX”. Zane, what's the

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 12:25 AM, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk wrote: > Anyone out there do Alphas anymore? I did a bit of work on Alphas from 1997-2003 but at home I have... DEC 4000 AXP - works fine, haven't powered it on in a while. I have to unplug my VAX 8300 to

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Mar 13, 2018, at 5:44 AM, Kyle Owen via cctalk > wrote: > > Several people have now mentioned they have dead Alphas. What is generally > failing about them? > > Kyle My DEC AlphaStation PWS 433au lost a PCI slot, after I used it for a few years. I ran it like

RE: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
c and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: AlphaServers > > > > > When my 1000 started failing, the manual lead me to believe it was > > b-cache, but the jumper map wound up to be wrong, > > > > There are a number of variants and the ma

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> > When my 1000 started failing, the manual lead me to believe it was b-cache, > but the jumper map wound up to be wrong, > There are a number of variants and the manuals are extremely unclear. > > it was actually failed RAM. > I forgot. I had that too. The firmware is supposed to specify

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Pete Lancashire via cctalk
If anyone is in or near Portland Oregon and interested, they are available. There are also at least 2 x 14 drive SCSI arrays, cables, etc. At one time I was offered a 5 rack fully redundant Alpha setup based on 3 40's or 45's Two servers were running with one is hot standby, the 3rd was a cold

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Tapley, Mark via cctalk
On Mar 13, 2018, at 12:26 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On 13 March 2018 at 05:25, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk > wrote: >> >> Anyone out there do Alphas anymore? > > I never got my hands on one, although there was a time when I coveted

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Kyle Owen via cctalk
So, B-Cache is a common failure; any idea what specifically is failing about it? I've got a 1000A, but its been years since I've tried booting it. It was successfully booting when I last tried it, however. I think I've got Tru64 installation media somewhere around here, too... Kyle

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On 13 March 2018 at 05:25, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk wrote: > > Anyone out there do Alphas anymore? I never got my hands on one, although there was a time when I coveted one. (Now as I am -- well, not homeless, but I don't have a house any more, or indeed an apartment

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Daniel Seagraves via cctalk
> On Mar 13, 2018, at 7:44 AM, Kyle Owen via cctalk > wrote: > > Several people have now mentioned they have dead Alphas. What is generally > failing about them? > > Kyle When my 1000 started failing, the manual lead me to believe it was b-cache, but the jumper map

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> > Several people have now mentioned they have dead Alphas. What is generally > failing about them? > The B-Cache on the CPU card on every Alphaserver 1000A I have laid eyes on has failed at some point. It can be disabled with a jumper but this makes the machine a lot slower for some tasks. I

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
In my cases all three just one day became inoperative. I have heard of power supply failures, but none of mine had that. The first two had redundant PSU's and the third had a standard PC type PSU and the disks and CD's worked even after the motherboard became dead enough to not even do the

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Kyle Owen via cctalk
Several people have now mentioned they have dead Alphas. What is generally failing about them? Kyle

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
An interesting discussion, especially considering the stuff usually spoken in comp.os.vms regardiong the viability of X86 boxes. I have had 3 Alphas.  Two of the office refrigerator sized boxes and one of the PC Tower sized boxes.  All three have died.  In the meantime I have X86 based boxes that

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> > How many more years do you think it'll take before decent, practical-sized > Alphas, like the DS15, and to some degree, the DS10, will be obtainable at > hobbyist-friendly prices? > A former colleague of mine has a DS10L. I don't like these very much. It makes the wrong kind of noise, a

R: AlphaServers

2018-03-13 Thread Mazzini Alessandro via cctalk
: AlphaServers I know of 3 desk side DS's, one was fully operational before going into storage, all ran when I got them. boxes of new Tru64 still shrink wrapped, and a binder full of keys for > 20 Alpha's -pete On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk < cctalk@classicc

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-12 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk wrote: > > I have an ES47 I got for a price I could stomach, but it's sans rail kit, > drinks power like it's going out of style, and can anchor a 40-ft yacht. > > Anyone out there do Alphas anymore? I have a 2

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-12 Thread Richard Loken via cctalk
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk wrote: Anyone out there do Alphas anymore? Well my AS4100 is running OpenVMS even as we speak. I have an Alphastation 500 here doing nothing. I arranged for somebody to get two free DS20Es last year so, yes, I still do alphas. Intel? Don't

Re: AlphaServers

2018-03-12 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
I have a Compaq XP1000/667 that’s my primary VMS system. I picked up a couple XP1000’s a little over a decade ago when they were affordable, as a replacement for my AlphaStation 433au. I need a new power supply for the /500. I think the days of hobbyist-friendly prices are largely gone.

AlphaServers

2018-03-12 Thread Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk
Place your wagers... How many more years do you think it'll take before decent, practical-sized Alphas, like the DS15, and to some degree, the DS10, will be obtainable at hobbyist-friendly prices? I have an ES47 I got for a price I could stomach, but it's sans rail kit, drinks power like

Re: AlphaServers?

2015-06-19 Thread Toby Thain
On 2015-06-19 10:51 AM, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: Does anyone here know why certain AlphaServers are worth such seemingly high prices on eBay still? The obvious(?) answer is that they are still used commercially. I think this explains the phenomenon for even older hardware than Alpha too

AlphaServers?

2015-06-19 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
Does anyone here know why certain AlphaServers are worth such seemingly high prices on eBay still? Particularly the DS15's seem to be worth their weight in gold, and the DS10's still sell for quite a bit. I see DS25's and ES47/ES80's get listed all the time for fairly high prices, but never

Re: AlphaServers?

2015-06-19 Thread Richard Loken
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: Does anyone here do Alpha gear, especially the newer stuff? I am baby sitting three ES45s, two DS20s, and a DS15 all running Tru64 Unix 5.X. Yes, you can buy a used Dell desktop at any garage sale that has more memory and CPU than a DS20 but it

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