Re: Speed now & then

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 06:32:59PM -0600, ben via cctalk wrote: > On 4/18/2018 4:47 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk >> wrote: >>> thousands of movies and TV episodes will fit on a 2TB drive. I am anxiously >>>

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On 4/18/2018 4:47 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: thousands of movies and TV episodes will fit on a 2TB drive. I am anxiously awaiting higher capacity thin 2.5" SATA. You can get an 8TB drive in 2.5"

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On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > thousands of movies and TV episodes will fit on a 2TB drive. > I am anxiously awaiting higher capacity thin 2.5" SATA. > You can get an 8TB drive in 2.5" form factor, but it doesn't contain spinning rust,

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I'm reminded of how fast things have gotten when I use some of my old media conversion code developed on an 8088 PC, that's been recompiled to run under 64-bit Linux on a reasonably fast CPU (3GHz quad-core AMD). I'd sit back for a couple of minutes waiting for the code to churn through the data

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TAhanks for that link which fits with my measurements (nowhere as detailed) of ones actual ability to do things with "modern" hardware. In the 1980's I was used to being able to measure events with 0.2 microsecond precision using a PDP-11 and my expectation was that the accuracy was only

Re: Speed now & then (Space and time?)

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Johnny Eriksson via cctalk wrote: > Ethan Dicks wrote: > >> There are times when video instruction makes sense... >> ... Teaching programming? I don't want to watch 2 >> hours of someone editing text... g > > How

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Ethan Dicks wrote: > There are times when video instruction makes sense - describing, for > example, a chemical reaction that produces major visible change in a > few moments is better to watch than to try to describe. The vast > majority of stuff? Teaching programming?

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On 4/12/2018 5:08 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On 11 April 2018 at 17:18, Jay West wrote: Liam wrote... https://danluu.com/input-lag/ Hey thanks for that link... fun read! High praise indeed! :-) You're very welcome. But that assumes local character echoing, I

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On 4/11/2018 10:06 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 6:04 PM, ben wrote: On 4/11/2018 5:21 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:48 PM, ben via cctalk > wrote: The FREE fpga

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On 04/12/2018 05:58 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On 11 April 2018 at 23:48, ben wrote: The FREE fpga development software is only under windows. Some of the older Xilinx software (required to create config files for their older FPGA chips) will not run on a

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On 04/12/2018 05:57 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On 11 April 2018 at 20:21, Ethan Dicks wrote: I totally agree. I read faster than most people talk and I retain more information. I'd much rather read 1,000 words than watch a 3 minute video. Strongly agreed.

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On 11 April 2018 at 17:18, Jay West wrote: > Liam wrote... > https://danluu.com/input-lag/ > > Hey thanks for that link... fun read! High praise indeed! :-) You're very welcome. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google

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On 11 April 2018 at 23:48, ben wrote: > The FREE fpga development software is only under windows. WINE works well now. I write in Word 97 under WINE on 64-bit Ubuntu. Works a treat, blindingly fast, and unlike any Linux tool I can find, it has a working outliner. VMs

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On 11 April 2018 at 20:21, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > I totally agree. I read faster than most people talk and I retain > more information. I'd much rather read 1,000 words than watch a 3 > minute video. Strongly agreed. > Not surprising given how many generations have now

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On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 03:48:20PM -0600, ben via cctalk wrote: [...] > The FREE fpga development software is only under windows. Altera's Quartus II and Xilinx ISE also have Linux versions. They're as free as the Windows versions.

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On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 6:04 PM, ben wrote: > On 4/11/2018 5:21 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:48 PM, ben via cctalk > > wrote: >> >> The FREE fpga development software is only under windows.

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On 04/11/2018 02:48 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > I have a nice 18 bit cpu here, with only a few hardware bugs. > Hmm would it work better if I change that around ideas. > > Care to point to a nice 18 bit version of unix or C. > BTW The cpu has a frame pointer S but no S++ --S operations > so

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On 4/11/2018 5:47 PM, Paul Koning wrote: I haven't tried pcc, but supposedly that has been ported to the PDP-10, so presumably it can be ported to an 18-bit machine too. Well the original C mostly just and 8 bit bytes and 16 bit ints, with floating point for good luck. Now who knows what

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On 4/11/2018 5:21 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:48 PM, ben via cctalk > wrote: The FREE fpga development software is only under windows. Xilinx and Altera (now Intel) FPGA development software, including the "free"

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> On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:48 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > > ... >>> and real text screen UNIX is not aviable anymore. >> Sure it is. > > I have a nice 18 bit cpu here, with only a few hardware bugs. > Hmm would it work better if I change that around ideas. > > Care to

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On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:48 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > The FREE fpga development software is only under windows. > Xilinx and Altera (now Intel) FPGA development software, including the "free" editions, have run under Linux for many years now. I routinely use them on

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Since you brought it up On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 11:48 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > > > The FREE fpga development software is only under windows. > Free alternatives exist (and can only get better coverage with time) http://www.clifford.at/yosys/

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On 4/11/2018 9:40 AM, Liam Proven wrote: On 1 April 2018 at 00:26, ben via cctalk wrote: But that is the old fly in the ointment, other software may not be avilable. It is, you know. Smart ass response: Who pirated it for you. I do run

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On 04/11/2018 11:31 AM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk wrote: > Besides getting more performance with smaller transistors, we have also > been increasing performance by taking advantage of more transistors by > doing more stuff in parallel. So we went from up to dozens of clock > cycles per

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On 04/11/2018 03:28 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >>> I thought that Moore's "law" dealt only with the number of transistors >>> on a die.   Did Gordon also say something about performance? > On

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On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: I thought that Moore's "law" dealt only with the number of transistors on a die. Did Gordon also say something about performance? On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Eric Korpela via cctalk wrote: You are correct that

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On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > I thought that Moore's "law" dealt only with the number of transistors > on a die. Did Gordon also say something about performance? > You are correct that he only applied it to transistor count. The

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> On Apr 11, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk > wrote: > > Chuck Guzis wrote on Wed, 11 Apr 2018 11:09:23 -0700 >> I thought that Moore's "law" dealt only with the number of transistors >> on a die. Did Gordon also say something about performance? > >

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Chuck Guzis wrote on Wed, 11 Apr 2018 11:09:23 -0700 > I thought that Moore's "law" dealt only with the number of transistors > on a die. Did Gordon also say something about performance? That is correct. The observation that transistors would be faster and use less power as they became smaller

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On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On 29 March 2018 at 21:35, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: >> >> MP4s mean that now, not only does it take MUCH longer to create the >> document, we can now waste MUCH more of the

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On 04/11/2018 09:31 AM, Eric Korpela via cctalk wrote: > It might break the rules since it only goes back to 1999, but here's > Moore's law for integer speed, floating point speed, number of processors, > memory sizes and disk sizes for the machines connected to SETI@home. Plots > are averages

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> On Apr 11, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > On 29 March 2018 at 19:53, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: >> >> It would be fun to do a "generalized Moore's Law" chart, showing not just >> transistor count growth (Moore's subject) but also

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> -Original Message- > From: cctalk <cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Liam Proven via > cctalk > Sent: 11 April 2018 16:36 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Speed now & then (S

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It might break the rules since it only goes back to 1999, but here's Moore's law for integer speed, floating point speed, number of processors, memory sizes and disk sizes for the machines connected to SETI@home. Plots are averages and medians, unfiltered for errors. At least one of the

Re: Speed now & then (Space and time?)

On 1 April 2018 at 00:26, ben via cctalk wrote: > > But that is the old fly in the ointment, other software may not be avilable. It is, you know. > I do run windows Why? > and real text screen UNIX is not aviable anymore. Sure it is. I mean, there are even text-only

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On 29 March 2018 at 21:35, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > MP4s mean that now, not only does it take MUCH longer to create the > document, we can now waste MUCH more of the reader's time! > I find it very annoying that when GOOGLE'ing to find a simple answer, many > of the

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Liam wrote... https://danluu.com/input-lag/ Hey thanks for that link... fun read! J

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On 29 March 2018 at 19:53, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > It would be fun to do a "generalized Moore's Law" chart, showing not just > transistor count growth (Moore's subject) but also the many other scaling > changes of computing: disk capacity, recording density,

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On 04/02/2018 01:28 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > >> On Mar 31, 2018, at 6:26 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: >> >>> ... >> But that is the old fly in the ointment, other software may not be avilable. >> I do run windows and real text screen UNIX is not aviable anymore. >

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> On Mar 31, 2018, at 6:26 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > >> ... > > But that is the old fly in the ointment, other software may not be avilable. > I do run windows and real text screen UNIX is not aviable anymore. Sure it is. You can perfectly well install Linux

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On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 04:26:44PM -0600, ben via cctalk wrote: [...] > But that is the old fly in the ointment, other software may not be avilable. > I do run windows and real text screen UNIX is not aviable anymore. All I > know it is same $$$ cycle as always, BUY the new machine > for faster

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On 3/30/2018 5:32 AM, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 10:07:27PM -0500, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 09:00:35PM -0500, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: It was an absolute DOG! It took several minutes for Emacs to load. So, uh, I hate to tell you

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On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 10:07:27PM -0500, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 09:00:35PM -0500, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: >> It was an absolute DOG! It took several minutes for Emacs to load. > So, uh, I hate to tell you about the state of the art these days ... It starts

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> On Mar 29, 2018, at 7:00 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk > wrote: > > Then, in 1986, I bought a MicroVAX-II CPU board from a broker, and a bunch of > 3rd party peripherals, and made a copy of VMS 4.7 (Might have used something > earlier for a time.) > I was in 7th heaven!

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On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 04:05:10PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > And yet, productive work was performed on it. Indeed the industrial > variant, the 1710 was used for early process control. There were a lot of highway improvements made in the US in the 1950s/ 1960s using Bendix G-15s.

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On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 09:00:35PM -0500, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > It was an absolute DOG! It took several minutes for Emacs to load. So, uh, I hate to tell you about the state of the art these days ... mcl

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On 03/29/2018 04:24 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: I posited that 2 decades ago in a wired article. My CP/M machine booted in seconds while waiting for the winders box to decide if it would/could. "The new machine is so much faster, that it can almost get out of its own way!" From

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> On Mar 29, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 03/29/2018 02:24 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: HOWEVER, a variant of "Boyle's Law" warns that software and content will expand to fit all available space and speed. >> >> On Thu, 29 Mar

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On 03/29/2018 02:24 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >>> HOWEVER, a variant of "Boyle's Law" warns that software and content >>> will expand to fit all available space and speed. > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, allison via cctalk wrote: >> We have proof and it is us. > > Or, as Walt Kelly ("Pogo")

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HOWEVER, a variant of "Boyle's Law" warns that software and content will expand to fit all available space and speed. On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, allison via cctalk wrote: We have proof and it is us. Or, as Walt Kelly ("Pogo") said, "We have met the enemy, and he is us." I posited that 2 decades

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On 03/29/2018 03:35 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: >> I’m not trying to date myself but have things truly sped up? In 1970’s >> Toronto I had a classic computer, sorry can’t recall what it was, >> connected >> to a 300 baud modem; by

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On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: I’m not trying to date myself but have things truly sped up? In 1970’s Toronto I had a classic computer, sorry can’t recall what it was, connected to a 300 baud modem; by early 80’s had ‘zoomed’ to 9600 baud. Oh, my! [ A typical file size

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On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:20 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: > I’m not trying to date myself but have things truly sped up? In 1970’s > ... 300 baud modem; by early 80’s had ‘zoomed’ to 9600 baud. What hasn't changed is people. Back when we had 300 baud, we only

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> On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk > wrote: > > I’m not trying to date myself but have things truly sped up? In 1970’s > Toronto I had a classic computer, sorry can’t recall what it was, connected > to a 300 baud modem; by early 80’s had