I've not had any problems with Eclipse, it's one of the most reliable
bits of software I have, although I have seen other developers
installs get nuked by plugins (always back it up first!).
However, saying that, it doesn't always run overly smooth, for
instance, I regularly have 5-10 second
On Thursday 10 Jan 2008, Jerry Guido wrote:
> One of my pet peeves is the dependency hell you can incur while
> installing plugins. Eclipse really needs a package manager like Yum or
> Synaptic.
With recent releases, it's a matter of making sure the 'discovery' remote
source is ticked as well as
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
"Most people I've spoken to just think Eclipse (not CFEclipse,
I might add) is a buggy time-waster which invariably seems to crash too
often."
It's funny that you mention this. I've be
On Thursday 10 Jan 2008, David Low wrote:
> Upgrading plugins seemed to be a big bugbear.
Eclipse 3.2 and later seem to have this well and truly sorted, as long as the
plugin is installable from an update site.
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Cutter (CFRelated) wrote:
> It's funny that you mention this. I've been using Eclipse/CFEclipse for
> a few years now, and have rarely, if ever, had a problem. Yet the guy
> next to me had horrific experiences out of the gate, until he did a
> complete reinstall. He's not a fan of Eclipse at all
"Most people I've spoken to just think Eclipse (not CFEclipse,
I might add) is a buggy time-waster which invariably seems to crash too
often."
It's funny that you mention this. I've been using Eclipse/CFEclipse for
a few years now, and have rarely, if ever, had a problem. Yet the guy
next to me
I'd say that this argument works against Dreamweaver as well. It has a
flashy interface, but does it look like a standard windows app?
On Jan 10, 2008 7:56 AM, David Low <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dawson, Michael wrote:
> > I'm not a fan of the visual interface of Eclipse. It looks as if the
Dawson, Michael wrote:
> I'm not a fan of the visual interface of Eclipse. It looks as if the
> authors either didn't take the time, didn't care or purposely avoided
> making Eclipse look like a native Windows application.
>
> There is little, or no, use of common Windows icons for Open, Save,
>
CF-Talkers,
Rather than bore the list with a long email I have written a blog post with
some of my thoughts on this topic. Remember that I am old and set in my ways
so take it for what it's worth :)
http://www.coldfusionmuse.com/index.cfm/2008/1/9/Coldfusion.IDE.Debate
-Mark
Mark A. Kruger, CFG
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From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE surve
On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008, Andy Matthews wrote:
> You have a very valid point M!ke. If you hopped into a car that had a
> control stick instead of a steering wheel, would THAT make a difference?
If the car had enough features to justify the investment, I'd spend some time
getting used to it.
It's
ColdFusion IDE survey
>And who can argue with the "looks alien in Windows"...that's a show
stopper. (rolls eyes)
I'm not a fan of the visual interface of Eclipse. It looks as if the
authors either didn't take the time, didn't care or purposely avoided making
E
That's because it's a Java application. While it does mean that the GUI will
look different than a traditional, native W32 application, it also means
that it looks the same on all platforms (Win, Mac, Linux, etc.). Is it the
greatest GUI ever? Hell no. But is it OK? Yes.
To me (and most people, I
>And who can argue with the "looks alien in Windows"...that's a show
stopper. (rolls eyes)
I'm not a fan of the visual interface of Eclipse. It looks as if the
authors either didn't take the time, didn't care or purposely avoided
making Eclipse look like a native Windows application.
There is li
>>You don't check in FireFox (20%+ of Europe uses it) ?
I was speaking about my own customers.
In average and roughly, their sites are visited at 80% by MSIE, 10%
Firefox, 10% others.
But 100% of the administrators are using MSIE, and none is in Europe.
So I FIRST check for MSIE compatibility.
On Tuesday 08 Jan 2008, Claude Schneegans wrote:
> >>Eclipse's 'view module' uses the same rendering engine as FireFox
> Then why not using Firefox directly?
The 'I' in IDE :-)
I do use a separate FireFox, to be honest, I was just mentioning that IDEs
don't always roll their own renderers these
On Tuesday 08 Jan 2008, Andy Allan wrote:
> If you want to see the follow up to 2007's "fuzzy oranges", you will be
> there ;)
Well, now I have to go :-)
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>>I don't quite get what you mean by "it looks an alien (sic)" in the
Windows environment.
Sorry, it has been a while since I tested it, and I think I was thinking
of some other system.
I re-opened Eclipse, and it does not look too alien after all ;-)
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>
> > by the way, if Adobe is to develop something else,
> > take CF Studio for model,
> > the design is already made, and EVERYBODY will be happy ;-)
>
> I'd be a lot happier with Dreamweaver as the model -- though I'd really
> like for t
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
>
> >>A base program, such as CFEclipse
>
> But CFEclipse is not a base program, it is a plugin for Eclipse.
> Thi
> by the way, if Adobe is to develop something else,
> take CF Studio for model,
> the design is already made, and EVERYBODY will be happy ;-)
I'd be a lot happier with Dreamweaver as the model -- though I'd really
like for them to fix the nonsense that causes it to continually open the
"des
>the consensus seemed to be that a CF IDE needs to either be Eclipse based
>(aligned well with Flex Builder and more) or Dreamweaver based (or possibly
both)
My vote is Eclipse. I never liked DW and used CFS from it's start but
quickly switched to CFEclipse when it came about. CFEclipse needs a de
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From: Rich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
(snip)
"I believe that some people need to realize that their personal must have
feature is not necessarily even needed by
ittal is strictly
prohibited.
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From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 1:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
On Jan 8, 2008 1:42 PM, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Good point.
> If every
I think the problem is a bit of people who do not use CFEclipse currently
have come to expect a product they just install and use for CFM, HTML,
JavaScript, and maybe a couple other things just trying to list some random
possibilities. They do not expect to install a product then go searching
for
>
> Eclipse is much more
> general, much too general, it aims at development
> of any application, possibly in any language.
For me this is a good thing, It allows for those who needs to develop in
several languages to have an unified IDE.
> Another thing is that it looks an alien in the Windows
Sure, I can see how having a one-stop editor for Flex, ColdFusion,
JavaScript, XML, and HTML, with Subversion, ANT, bug tracking, and task
management integration would be a terrible idea. And who can argue with the
"looks alien in Windows"...that's a show stopper. (rolls eyes)
On Jan 8, 2008 12:4
On Jan 8, 2008 1:42 PM, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Good point.
> If everybody is happy with CFeclipse, let everybody use CFeclipse.
> If it is not the case, let Adobe develop something else, but not the
> same thing.
Everyone is not happy with CFEclipse, that is the whole p
> I am not sure why they would build an IDE on eclipse when we already have
> one.
My reasoning would be to start from a clean code base designed from the
ground up to be interoperable with existing applications, instead of being
tied to the legacy code.
Rich Kroll
~
>>I am not sure why they would build an IDE on eclipse when we already
have one.
Good point.
If everybody is happy with CFeclipse, let everybody use CFeclipse.
If it is not the case, let Adobe develop something else, but not the
same thing.
by the way, if Adobe is to develop something els
I am not sure why they would build an IDE on eclipse when we already have
one. Actually I don't see why anyone uses anything but cfeclipse but thats
just me :)
Dan
On Jan 8, 2008 12:21 PM, Brian Kotek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd agree. Given everything that Eclipse offers, like SVN integrat
p.com/
The SeatonCorp companies
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/* >>Eclipse's &
That was my point of view (except that I'm fine with both CFEclipse/DW CS3
co-existing) and Ben Forta said I was "jumping the gun."
On Jan 8, 2008 12:46 PM, Dan Vega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am not sure why they would build an IDE on eclipse when we already have
> one. Actually I don't see
>>Eclipse's 'view module' uses the same rendering engine as FireFox
Then why not using Firefox directly?
And what's about Explorer?
Who develops CF applications without checking what it looks like under
Explorer?
I have several sites using my CMS, and NO administrator uses anything
else than IE
>>A base program, such as CFEclipse
But CFEclipse is not a base program, it is a plugin for Eclipse.
This is one of the reasons I don't like it: Eclipse is much more
general, much too general, it aims at development
of any application, possibly in any language.
The other thing I don't like is it
I'd agree. Given everything that Eclipse offers, like SVN integration, Trac
integration, ANT integration, and editors for everything under the sun, I
think it would be completely insane for them to use anything else to build a
CF IDE.
On Jan 8, 2008 11:49 AM, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
> Developing a view module in the editor is just a waist of time.
I have to call shenanigans on that one. Sometimes you need to drop in a
table with some funky rowspans or something, and Dreamweaver makes it
extremely easy to get a table set up exactly how you want it without having
to go back
2008 11:38 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
>
> >>View (HTML) code should be separate to Control and Model code (CFML).
>
> Absolutely. I never understood the need for a view module in editors.
> First, it is so easy to have IE, Mozilla or b
Claude,
Very succinct... I agree with that.
-mark
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From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
>>View (HTML) code should be separate to Control and Model code
> My personal hope is that Adobe will develop an Eclipse based solution so
> that we as a community can leverage the existing tools that exist for the
> platform and do not need to rely on Adobe to provide every tool that we can
> dream up. Mark has done an amazing job with CFE, but at the end of
On Tuesday 08 Jan 2008, Claude Schneegans wrote:
> Secondly, what's important is what the page will look like in browsers
> used by visitors,
> not in the editor's view module.
Eclipse's 'view module' uses the same rendering engine as FireFox (on Linux
anyway).
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>>View (HTML) code should be separate to Control and Model code (CFML).
Absolutely. I never understood the need for a view module in editors.
First, it is so easy to have IE, Mozilla or both open on the page, save
the page form the editor
and just refresh it form the browser.
Secondly, what's im
Unfortunately, no, we don't. And this is a must have addition to whatever
IDE might come out of this survey.
On Jan 8, 2008 11:09 AM, Cutter (CFRelated) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Intellisense for CFCs? We have that in CFEclipse, don't we?...;)
>
> Steve "Cutter" Blades
> Adobe Certified Profes
It seems that many people step up on their soapbox and proclaim that does not perform . The problem
that Adobe is trying to solve is a rather large one. The CF community has a
very diverse user base, ranging from seasoned application developers
familiar with low level languages requesting tool
>
> -Original Message-
> From: João_Fernandes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:19 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
>
> Chad, You want a editor for HTML + CSS + CF and I want an editor for CF
> + Flex and belie
diocre job.
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From: João_Fernandes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
Chad, You want a editor for HTML + CSS + CF and I want an editor for CF
+ Flex and believe me that if you find eclipse uns
Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:14 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
On Tuesday 08 Jan 2008, Chad Gray wrote:
> CF being tag based flows right in the HTML and CSS
It really shouldn't.
View (HTML) code should be separate to Con
Chad, You want a editor for HTML + CSS + CF and I want an editor for CF
+ Flex and believe me that if you find eclipse unstable, you should have
tried Flex Builder 1.5 that was build on top of DreamWeaver.
What I really like in Eclipse is that you don't need to wait for Adobe
to have functiona
On Tuesday 08 Jan 2008, Chad Gray wrote:
> CF being tag based flows right in the HTML and CSS
It really shouldn't.
View (HTML) code should be separate to Control and Model code (CFML).
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I use Aptana Eclipse plugin for CSS work. If you are separating your
style declarations from your actual document (as you should) then the
Aptana editor is fantastic for this. Eclipse flips this automatically
for me, as I switch between a .cfm template (in CFEclipse perspective)
to a .css templ
Everyone keeps saying Dreamweaver is aimed for the graphic designer side of
HTML and that it is not for developers of CF.
CF being tag based flows right in the HTML and CSS so I want an editor that can
do CSS, HTML and CF because I use all three languages at the same time to make
CF pages.
I d
> On Tuesday 08 Jan 2008, Massimo Foti wrote:
>> This doesn't make it a state of the art CFML IDE, but it's
>> cross-platform
>
> 2 platforms isn't 'cross'.
Yep, you are right :-)
Massimo
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On Tuesday 08 Jan 2008, Massimo Foti wrote:
> This doesn't make it a state of the art CFML IDE, but it's cross-platform
2 platforms isn't 'cross'.
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> I think the direction is very clear, but it is something that has been
> debated internally at Adobe. But with the advent of platform support,
> DW and Homesite are windows only IDE's.
For what's worth, DW runs on Mac too, since version 1.0.
This doesn't make it a state of the art CFML IDE, but
Let me fix your typo.
"No, sorry - I meant DW is usefulness as a CF IDE."
There, all fixed!
:)
Will
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On 08/01/2008, Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 08 Jan 2008, Casey Dougall wrote:
> > what about us who want to switch to linux. gosh, leave us hanging why
> > don't ya.
>
> If I'm at
On Tuesday 08 Jan 2008, Casey Dougall wrote:
> what about us who want to switch to linux. gosh, leave us hanging why
> don't ya.
If I'm at Scotch, I'll bring my Kubuntu laptop :-)
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On Monday 07 Jan 2008, Andy Matthews wrote:
> Again...I would argue that the overwhelming majority of ColdFusion
> developers are Windows based. It would be smart for them to make it
> cross-platform,
The smart choice would be 'do a Flex Builder' and build it on top of Eclipse,
rather than port
On Monday 07 Jan 2008, Todd wrote:
> Tom, I'm sorry, are you implying that CFStudio was more than HomeSite
> "dressed up"?
No, sorry - I meant DW is useless as a CF IDE.
> Don't get me wrong. I'm _GLAD_ Adobe is taking customer requests seriously
> (no, really!)... I guess I'm surprised that a I
On Monday 07 Jan 2008, Todd wrote:
> I think a more useful survey would have been? Have you used
> HomeSite+/CFStudio? Yes/no. Have you used DW? Yes/no If yes, what
"If yes, how long ago"
For me, we're talking 5 years or more.
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On Monday 07 Jan 2008, Ben Nadel wrote:
> I think having 2 file explorers IS a must have.
You mean a local file view, and a remote file view ?
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On 1/7/08, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> While a majority of developers may be on a win'dohs box, if last year's
> CFUnited is any indication there were quite a few Mac users in attendance,
> judging from the number Mac laptops I saw in use.
>
> regards,
>
> larry
what about us who
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While a majority of developers may be on a win'dohs box, if last year's
CFUnited is any indication there were quite a few Mac users in attendance,
judging from the number Mac laptops I
While a majority of developers may be on a win'dohs box, if last year's
CFUnited is any indication there were quite a few Mac users in attendance,
judging from the number Mac laptops I saw in use.
regards,
larry
>Gotta love statistics. Where are you getting these numbers from again?
>
>I thi
Haha!
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>>Obviously a job for CF_REextract!
Ha ha! Touché ;-)
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On Jan 7, 2008 4:16 PM, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>Sorry... Can you post the link to the survey again...
>
> How about a survey about a good message reader that can save and
> retrieve previous messages? ;-)
Obviously a job for CF_REextract!
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>>Sorry... Can you post the link to the survey again...
How about a survey about a good message reader that can save and
retrieve previous messages? ;-)
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Right, Claude! Where do I sign up?
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Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
>>Please,
please, please, Adobe, don't take away the best darned tool I'v
On 1/7/08, Dawson, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> 2. Or build it in Flash. ;^)
You all should check out the Thermo Presentation. I beleive this would be a
solid indication as to how a CF IDE would be built. Long story short, They
are using Eclipse but they cut it up so much you would
Thanks Charlie...
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From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
On Jan 7, 2008 1:36 PM, Mark Kruger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ben,
>
> Sorry... Can you p
On Jan 7, 2008 1:36 PM, Mark Kruger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ben,
>
> Sorry... Can you post the link to the survey againI'll have my
> developers fill it out. Thanks.
Seriously? Dude. it's on every... single... blog. We're clogging up
the tubes today :)
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.as
Ben,
Sorry... Can you post the link to the survey againI'll have my
developers fill it out. Thanks.
-Mark
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From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
I am not sure
Not sure why you think it would be bad, since as Sean pointed out it would
be the only way to get true introspection and error flagging. An IDE could
parse text until the cows come home, but until the code is actually compiled
and executed there is no way to know what is actually happening.
On Ja
>>Please,
please, please, Adobe, don't take away the best darned tool I've ever owned
for programming new CF apps!
How about starting a union? ;-)
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Sean,
If you ever decide to get into it, there is a Dynamic Language Toolkit
(DLTK) which I've been looking into for a while now for help in
building IDEs for dynamic languages on Eclipse.
http://www.eclipse.org/dltk/
The language is about as sparse as they come, but they are very
helpful on the
>>and many people don't :)
Ok, some don't hate them, and even fewer love them ;-)
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>>It would be smart for them to make it
cross-platform, but it wouldn't affect that many people if it was Windows
only.
Exact, there may be quite a few production servers under Unix, but their
developers are under Windows.
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I'm afraid I'd have to say that is not the case I would say that it is a
significant majority.
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Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe
I'm afraid I'd have to say that is not the case I would say that it is a
significant majority.
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Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:48 PM
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On Jan 7, 200
On Jan 7, 2008 11:56 AM, Jerry Guido <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One of the features I absolutely love about Aptana and other Eclipse
> distros is having the methods and arguments of included libraries and
> classes available with Intellisense/code completion. If the methods and
> arguments of CFC
Now that is a useful list... Nice going jerry.
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From: Jerry Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
My wish list for a CF IDE.
Everything that CFEclipse and the Adobe's plug-in
On Jan 7, 2008 1:56 PM, Jerry Guido <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am a huge fan of Aptana for working with CSS and JS. Take a look at
> what they are doing with third party JavaScript libraries.
>
Aptana love seems to be a theme in this thread. Maybe we should all
hope for this headline ...
Adob
On Jan 7, 2008 1:53 PM, Brian Kotek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A moot point if the platform is Eclipse-based. What I think would really
> kick ass is if Adobe would embed a bare-bones version of the ColdFusion
> server itself directly into Eclipse (since it is also Java-based), or hook
Not techn
Oh I agree Sean...it would be foolish to produce a Windows only app.
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From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
On Jan 7, 2008 11:42 AM, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTEC
I would say it "Build it in AIR" ;)
I would be cross platform once we get a linux version of AIR runtime.
In my humble opinion I would go for CFEclipse, a lot of functionality is
already there with the CFExtensions adding support for RDS and
debugging. I don't know how much work would be to recr
Good grief. I'm getting (bad) flashbacks from late 90s/early 2000. I
recall a certain java server that had the IDE built directly into it.
Silverstream?
On Jan 7, 2008 2:53 PM, Brian Kotek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A moot point if the platform is Eclipse-based. What I think would really
> ki
One of the features I absolutely love about Aptana and other Eclipse
distros is having the methods and arguments of included libraries and
classes available with Intellisense/code completion. If the methods and
arguments of CFC's and objects were made available it would be a God
send. If the classe
A moot point if the platform is Eclipse-based. What I think would really
kick ass is if Adobe would embed a bare-bones version of the ColdFusion
server itself directly into Eclipse (since it is also Java-based), or hook
directly into a local install of CF. Because at that point the parsing
challeng
On Jan 7, 2008 11:42 AM, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Again...I would argue that the overwhelming majority of ColdFusion
> developers are Windows based. It would be smart for them to make it
> cross-platform, but it wouldn't affect that many people if it was Windows
> only.
More and
Gotta love statistics. Where are you getting these numbers from again?
I think it's in Adobe's best interest to make it cross-platform. Else the
wrath of Ray / Sean / some others might be felt. :)
On Jan 7, 2008 2:42 PM, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Again...I would argue that the
On Jan 7, 2008 11:42 AM, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Again...I would argue that the overwhelming majority of ColdFusion
> developers are Windows based. It would be smart for them to make it
> cross-platform, but it wouldn't affect that many people if it was Windows
> only.
I don't p
Well, I've lurked around here for several of months now and you're finally
discussing a subject about which I have strong feelings.
Homesite and CF Studio are the only tools I've ever used to develop Web
apps. The Studio 5 CFML Wizards are great but should be easier to customize.
The custom butto
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
I didn't word that very well...
Put it this way, if Adobe created a new IDE that was only Windows-based,
they would really be shooting themselves in the foot.
Maybe I should have said they need to
M!ke
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From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
The "majority" of developers are non-windows? In the corporate CF world
my guess would be 95% windows. That's jus
Two suggestions:
1. Hire Nick Bradbury to build the new IDE.
2. Or build it in Flash. ;^)
M!ke
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From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:49 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
Claude,
To be brutally blunt
On Jan 7, 2008 10:09 AM, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It was developped in Delphi? Yurk! Now I understand.
> But still, its conversion to C, or even Java, would be worth
I looked into that - there's an open source Delphi "compatible" system
that runs on non-Windows systems -
My Homesite + still is a great asset. I'm on CFE now more than 95% of the
time. But what exactly is wrong with Homesite+ other than they don't support
it anymore? Someone always rolls out the vtms for new versions of CF. That's
the only thing I need.
Greg
On Jan 7, 2008 1:09 PM, Claude Schneegans
se the
> majority of the developers.
>
> But, I would be all for it. :D
>
> M!ke
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:34 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
>
> Cla
My wish list for a CF IDE.
Everything that CFEclipse and the Adobe's plug-ins has with support for:
Better short cut keys for code snippets. Not "Ctrl J" but the way the
HS/CFS did it. I stuck with CFS for a long time because of DW not
supporting short cut keys.
Right click >> edit tag - I stuck
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