Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
I think I can probably end this conversation right now. The absolute BEST JavaScript Framework/Library/selfwritten code is... whatever allows you to get the job down in the most efficient, easy to maintain manner, and the one that addresses the needs of the users. It just so happens that for a -majority- of folks, that's jQuery, but there's also folks who like Ext and Prototype. Seriously though - I use jQuery cuz I get crap done. End of story. ;) On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Andrei, I want to point your attention to your comment. I am calling MY Web-site, I know EXACTLY what to expect ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344749 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
Oh, come on, Ray! Don't become a diplomat now! Continue the good fight! jQuery! jQuery! jQuery! Really, though. I like it because it gave me, a non-Javascript (none at all!) programmer, a way to get into the JS game that I could understand with no background. I do incorporate regular JS when needed, now. (Not much, however...) But, Ray is right. We all come to languages with different experience that leans us in one direction or another, which determines our decision-making in the end. To quote a famous philosopher, Can't we just all get along! :oP But, Rick! That's no fun! We need to have a list for Cage-Match Programming much like iStockphoto has for graphic artists. Both discussion and coding solutions between the two parties is acceptable. Everyone comments on the match, but only two at a time compete. Everyone learns new programming techniques, any language is acceptable in the challenges. (Except PHP. Remember, we don't do drugs in the CF community...) The community votes on the solutions and most votes wins. Bring on the Cage-Match Programming! Only one will survive! Fight! Fight! Fight! Rick -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:rcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 9:44 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices I think I can probably end this conversation right now. The absolute BEST JavaScript Framework/Library/selfwritten code is... whatever allows you to get the job down in the most efficient, easy to maintain manner, and the one that addresses the needs of the users. It just so happens that for a -majority- of folks, that's jQuery, but there's also folks who like Ext and Prototype. Seriously though - I use jQuery cuz I get crap done. End of story. ;) On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Andrei, I want to point your attention to your comment. I am calling MY Web-site, I know EXACTLY what to expect ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344752 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
So you agree with an incorrect assesment of the size of jQuery? It's 31KB minimized, not 300k. 230k to be more accurate, and about 9000 lines of code in only one file. The minimized version is 90k and still equivalent to 9000 lines of code to be compiled. Again, if one just needs some Ajax facilities, this is like Gross Bertha. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344755 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
Perhaps, you could build something like this, but in reality it is much better to have 3 or 4 DIFFERENT cars for different purposes. Or even only ONE if you have only one purpose! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344756 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
Hey you might get crap done but I get useful code done and very quickly too. But it is never crap with ExtJS!!! No seriously that is also why I made the comment too, if it gets the job done and quickly then it is a useful tool. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:rcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 20 May 2011 11:44 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices I think I can probably end this conversation right now. The absolute BEST JavaScript Framework/Library/selfwritten code is... whatever allows you to get the job down in the most efficient, easy to maintain manner, and the one that addresses the needs of the users. It just so happens that for a -majority- of folks, that's jQuery, but there's also folks who like Ext and Prototype. Seriously though - I use jQuery cuz I get crap done. End of story. ;) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344757 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
Why reinvent the wheel over and over Please explain why writing code BEFORE the equivalent exists in some open source library is REinventing the wheel. Example: When I first looked for a good online editor I could find no one able to clean up MS Word crap. So I designed my own, about 10 years ago. Then came FCKeditor. It has a MSWord paste function, but it was optional and must be selected by the user. C'mon which user will do it and even know that MSWord code needs to be cleaned? So Why should I switch for FCKEditor? By the time, I had developped a way styles could be selected in the editor using clear natural language names instead of class names. FCK editor did'nt have it, so I kept my own editor. Now FCK editor offers the same possibility, but still no way to force MSWord clean up transparently on every cut'n paste operation. At least it didn't the last time I had a look at it. So I'm still using my own online editor, and I'm still 100% happy with it. Ah, and last but not the least, my editor is 100% integrated in my CMS ie: it can generate links to internal pages of the user's site by names of logical elements instead of having to cut'n paste the actual url. Again, this functionality may exists in some more recent stuff, but I can't spend all my time looking for something that will do the same thing I've been using for years and I'm happy with. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344766 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
Again, unless you're developing for the two oldest and slowest computers on the 'Net, 90k and 9000 lines of code is *nothing* and/or cached. And you get all of the stuff that's been pointed out in this thread: - a standard way of handling things so that, if you get hit by a bus and your replacement knows jquery, (s)he'll have no troubles stepping in - more-or-less guaranteed cross-browser compatibility - functions to do much more than some Ajax facilities when your page/app grows - hundreds of plugins and jqueryui for when your page/app grows - etc On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:05 AM, wrote: So you agree with an incorrect assesment of the size of jQuery? It's 31KB minimized, not 300k. 230k to be more accurate, and about 9000 lines of code in only one file. The minimized version is 90k and still equivalent to 9000 lines of code to be compiled. Again, if one just needs some Ajax facilities, this is like Gross Bertha. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344768 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
Out of curiosity, how does all this help the OP solve his/her problem? Shouldn't this discussion be moved to a more appropriate venue? Curious-G! On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:31 AM, wrote: Why reinvent the wheel over and over Please explain why writing code BEFORE the equivalent exists in some open source library is REinventing the wheel. Example: When I first looked for a good online editor I could find no one able to clean up MS Word crap. So I designed my own, about 10 years ago. Then came FCKeditor. It has a MSWord paste function, but it was optional and must be selected by the user. C'mon which user will do it and even know that MSWord code needs to be cleaned? So Why should I switch for FCKEditor? By the time, I had developped a way styles could be selected in the editor using clear natural language names instead of class names. FCK editor did'nt have it, so I kept my own editor. Now FCK editor offers the same possibility, but still no way to force MSWord clean up transparently on every cut'n paste operation. At least it didn't the last time I had a look at it. So I'm still using my own online editor, and I'm still 100% happy with it. Ah, and last but not the least, my editor is 100% integrated in my CMS ie: it can generate links to internal pages of the user's site by names of logical elements instead of having to cut'n paste the actual url. Again, this functionality may exists in some more recent stuff, but I can't spend all my time looking for something that will do the same thing I've been using for years and I'm happy with. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344769 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
That's an interesting anecdote, however I don't see how it relates to the topic at hand. When I build new apps I don't use my old pre jQuery codebase anymore. I've updated to use jQuery (or equiv). Why? Because it's more flexible, upgradeable, backward compatible and scalable. And for me that's enough. I also no longer use my Commodore 64 or wear acid washed jeans. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:31 AM, wrote: Why reinvent the wheel over and over Please explain why writing code BEFORE the equivalent exists in some open source library is REinventing the wheel. Example: When I first looked for a good online editor I could find no one able to clean up MS Word crap. So I designed my own, about 10 years ago. Then came FCKeditor. It has a MSWord paste function, but it was optional and must be selected by the user. C'mon which user will do it and even know that MSWord code needs to be cleaned? So Why should I switch for FCKEditor? By the time, I had developped a way styles could be selected in the editor using clear natural language names instead of class names. FCK editor did'nt have it, so I kept my own editor. Now FCK editor offers the same possibility, but still no way to force MSWord clean up transparently on every cut'n paste operation. At least it didn't the last time I had a look at it. So I'm still using my own online editor, and I'm still 100% happy with it. Ah, and last but not the least, my editor is 100% integrated in my CMS ie: it can generate links to internal pages of the user's site by names of logical elements instead of having to cut'n paste the actual url. Again, this functionality may exists in some more recent stuff, but I can't spend all my time looking for something that will do the same thing I've been using for years and I'm happy with. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344771 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
I think it's likely very helpful for the OP to decide which AJAX solution to employ. This discussion is showing him two sides to the js framework story which will help him make his own informed decision. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.comwrote: Out of curiosity, how does all this help the OP solve his/her problem? Shouldn't this discussion be moved to a more appropriate venue? Curious-G! On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:31 AM, wrote: Why reinvent the wheel over and over Please explain why writing code BEFORE the equivalent exists in some open source library is REinventing the wheel. Example: When I first looked for a good online editor I could find no one able to clean up MS Word crap. So I designed my own, about 10 years ago. Then came FCKeditor. It has a MSWord paste function, but it was optional and must be selected by the user. C'mon which user will do it and even know that MSWord code needs to be cleaned? So Why should I switch for FCKEditor? By the time, I had developped a way styles could be selected in the editor using clear natural language names instead of class names. FCK editor did'nt have it, so I kept my own editor. Now FCK editor offers the same possibility, but still no way to force MSWord clean up transparently on every cut'n paste operation. At least it didn't the last time I had a look at it. So I'm still using my own online editor, and I'm still 100% happy with it. Ah, and last but not the least, my editor is 100% integrated in my CMS ie: it can generate links to internal pages of the user's site by names of logical elements instead of having to cut'n paste the actual url. Again, this functionality may exists in some more recent stuff, but I can't spend all my time looking for something that will do the same thing I've been using for years and I'm happy with. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344772 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
The Production jQuery core is 31KB, minified and gzipped, according to the jQuery site, itself. So, it would seem, the only correct number to reference in regards to jQuery production core code is 31KB. All other numbers are irrelevant. -Original Message- From: Claude Schnéegans schneeg...@internetique.com [mailto:=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans schneegans@interneti=71?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ue.com=3E?=] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 11:06 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices So you agree with an incorrect assesment of the size of jQuery? It's 31KB minimized, not 300k. 230k to be more accurate, and about 9000 lines of code in only one file. The minimized version is 90k and still equivalent to 9000 lines of code to be compiled. Again, if one just needs some Ajax facilities, this is like Gross Bertha. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344774 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
Michael, I'm still using my Radio Shack Color Computer with 4K of RAM, an audio cassette tape for data storage and no monitor, which cost me $525 in 1982. Perhaps I would be more productive if I upgraded to 16K of RAM? :o) -Original Message- From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 12:02 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices That's an interesting anecdote, however I don't see how it relates to the topic at hand. When I build new apps I don't use my old pre jQuery codebase anymore. I've updated to use jQuery (or equiv). Why? Because it's more flexible, upgradeable, backward compatible and scalable. And for me that's enough. I also no longer use my Commodore 64 or wear acid washed jeans. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:31 AM, wrote: Why reinvent the wheel over and over Please explain why writing code BEFORE the equivalent exists in some open source library is REinventing the wheel. Example: When I first looked for a good online editor I could find no one able to clean up MS Word crap. So I designed my own, about 10 years ago. Then came FCKeditor. It has a MSWord paste function, but it was optional and must be selected by the user. C'mon which user will do it and even know that MSWord code needs to be cleaned? So Why should I switch for FCKEditor? By the time, I had developped a way styles could be selected in the editor using clear natural language names instead of class names. FCK editor did'nt have it, so I kept my own editor. Now FCK editor offers the same possibility, but still no way to force MSWord clean up transparently on every cut'n paste operation. At least it didn't the last time I had a look at it. So I'm still using my own online editor, and I'm still 100% happy with it. Ah, and last but not the least, my editor is 100% integrated in my CMS ie: it can generate links to internal pages of the user's site by names of logical elements instead of having to cut'n paste the actual url. Again, this functionality may exists in some more recent stuff, but I can't spend all my time looking for something that will do the same thing I've been using for years and I'm happy with. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344775 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Michael, I'm still using my Radio Shack Color Computer with 4K of RAM, an audio cassette tape for data storage and no monitor, which cost me $525 in 1982. Perhaps I would be more productive if I upgraded to 16K of RAM? :o) But he's no longer on CF5, by God! :D ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344776 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
That's an interesting anecdote, however I don't see how it relates to the topic at hand. It does in the sense If you are capable of developing your own tools, it could be a better and more efficient solution. If you're not, then use some other's. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344777 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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But he's no longer on CF5 He was on CF4.5! ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344778 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
The Production jQuery core is 31KB, minified and gzipped, This is for the packed version, but it must be unpacked before it is used on client side, which requires non-trivial client-side processing time according to the same official jQuery site. The minimized uncompressed version is exactly 91 342 bytes. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344779 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
Geez. Can this thread die already? Claude * On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:40 AM, wrote: The Production jQuery core is 31KB, minified and gzipped, This is for the packed version, but it must be unpacked before it is used on client side, which requires non-trivial client-side processing time according to the same official jQuery site. The minimized uncompressed version is exactly 91 342 bytes. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344780 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
90k and 9000 lines of code is *nothing* It may be nothing, but if all you need is access to Ajax facilities, it is still 900 times bigger than necessary. And since I started developing applications, I obey this fundamental principle: NEVER USE CODE 900 TIMES BIGGER THAN NECESSARY. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344781 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
That's true, Matt! (But I was on 4.5 until I jumped straight to 8! :o) It's been brutal having to write the BASIC code that would allow me to run ColdFusion 8! -Original Message- From: Matt Quackenbush [mailto:quackfu...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 12:32 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Michael, I'm still using my Radio Shack Color Computer with 4K of RAM, an audio cassette tape for data storage and no monitor, which cost me $525 in 1982. Perhaps I would be more productive if I upgraded to 16K of RAM? :o) But he's no longer on CF5, by God! :D ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344782 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
Good memory, Claude! -Original Message- From: Claude Schnéegans schneeg...@internetique.com [mailto:=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans schneegans@interneti=71?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ue.com=3E?=] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 12:36 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices But he's no longer on CF5 He was on CF4.5! ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344783 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
I'm capable. You're capable. Most of us are capable. I just don't see a point to it. I'm also capable of grinding my own flour, but why bother when I can just buy a bag? On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, wrote: That's an interesting anecdote, however I don't see how it relates to the topic at hand. It does in the sense If you are capable of developing your own tools, it could be a better and more efficient solution. If you're not, then use some other's. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344786 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
I guess all you want is to make on croissant and you have to buy a whole bag of flour. Then again, you might want to make pizza later on or maybe some tasty bread! Oh dear, this analogy has made me hungry. It reminds me EXACTLY of the Frameworks arguments that always crop up. MD On 20 May 2011, at 18:24, Michael Grant wrote: I'm capable. You're capable. Most of us are capable. I just don't see a point to it. I'm also capable of grinding my own flour, but why bother when I can just buy a bag? On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, wrote: That's an interesting anecdote, however I don't see how it relates to the topic at hand. It does in the sense If you are capable of developing your own tools, it could be a better and more efficient solution. If you're not, then use some other's. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344787 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
Carrying 300K of JS code (min) just to do something that takes 10 lines (or less) of JS code is nonsense. Not even speaking about its terrible performance. jQuery + infinity ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344637 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
1) It's 90k minified 2) Those 10 lines will inevitably be 1 line of jQuery 3) Those 10 lines will work in your favourite browser; then you find that IE x has some quirk you didn't count on, etc 4) You and Claude S will best friends, I can tell -- WSS4CF - WS-Security framework for CF http://wss4cf.riaforge.org/ On 19 May 2011 14:42, Andrei Kondrashev adiab...@cs.com wrote: Carrying 300K of JS code (min) just to do something that takes 10 lines (or less) of JS code is nonsense. Not even speaking about its terrible performance. jQuery + infinit ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344639 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I used to feel the exact same way! Then I realized I was wrong. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Andrei Kondrashev adiab...@cs.com wrote: Carrying 300K of JS code (min) just to do something that takes 10 lines (or less) of JS code is nonsense. Not even speaking about its terrible performance. jQuery + infinity ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344641 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
And add to that that if you use the CDN version, most people already have it cached. I've yet to see any performance issues with it. Would things be faster w/o using a framework? Maybe - but as in all things - you make trades between performance and the ability to maintain the code. I'm SO happy I don't have to write multiplatform XHR handlers and just do $.get instead. :) On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:06 AM, James Holmes james.hol...@gmail.com wrote: 1) It's 90k minified 2) Those 10 lines will inevitably be 1 line of jQuery 3) Those 10 lines will work in your favourite browser; then you find that IE x has some quirk you didn't count on, etc 4) You and Claude S will best friends, I can tell -- WSS4CF - WS-Security framework for CF http://wss4cf.riaforge.org/ -- === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master Email : r...@camdenfamily.com Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com Twitter : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with Android news: http://www.androidgat ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344643 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Where do you get 300K? jQuery core is only 229K uncompressed... 31K, minified and gzipped. www.jquery.com -Original Message- From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 6:45 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices I used to feel the exact same way! Then I realized I was wrong. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Andrei Kondrashev adiab...@cs.com wrote: Carrying 300K of JS code (min) just to do something that takes 10 lines (or less) of JS code is nonsense. Not even speaking about its terrible performance. jQuery + infinity ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344645 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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2) Those 10 lines will inevitably be 1 line of jQuery What's the difference between 1 line to call a jQuery function inside a 90k JS code and 1 line to call a 10 lines function in your own JS code ? Those 10 lines will work in your favourite browser; then you find that IE x has some quirk you didn't count on, etc This is your assumption, and of course you're wrong. If only one browser was supported, you would only need 6 lines of code. You and Claude S will best friends, I can tell You bet ! ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344651 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Simple. jQuery is so awesome it seems bigger than it really is. ;) On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Where do you get 300K? jQuery core is only 229K uncompressed... 31K, minified and gzipped. www.jquery.com -Original Message- From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 6:45 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices I used to feel the exact same way! Then I realized I was wrong. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Andrei Kondrashev adiab...@cs.com wrote: Carrying 300K of JS code (min) just to do something that takes 10 lines (or less) of JS code is nonsense. Not even speaking about its terrible performance. jQuery + infinity ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344657 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Do those 10 lines of code enable you to write different handlers depending on the status code and success of the http call without any fuss? Do they translate common response formats into plain js objects for you? On 19 May 2011 14:25, wrote: 2) Those 10 lines will inevitably be 1 line of jQuery What's the difference between 1 line to call a jQuery function inside a 90k JS code and 1 line to call a 10 lines function in your own JS code ? Those 10 lines will work in your favourite browser; then you find that IE x has some quirk you didn't count on, etc This is your assumption, and of course you're wrong. If only one browser was supported, you would only need 6 lines of code. You and Claude S will best friends, I can tell You bet ! ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344663 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Carrying 300K of JS code (min) just to do something that takes 10 lines (or less) of JS code is nonsense. Not even speaking about its terrible performance. The exact same argument could be made swapping out jQuery with CF and JS with PHP. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Andrei Kondrashev adiab...@cs.com wrote: Carrying 300K of JS code (min) just to do something that takes 10 lines (or less) of JS code is nonsense. Not even speaking about its terrible performance. jQuery + infinity ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344666 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Carrying 300K of JS code (min) just to do something that takes 10 lines (or less) of JS code is nonsense. I agree 100%. I do all my Ajax stuff with only two functions: ajaxGET (url) and ajaxPOST (url, sendText), exactly 10 lines each. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344679 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Do those 10 lines of code enable you to write different handlers depending on the status code and success of the http call without any fuss? Better than that : they open a new window to display the CF error dump in case the called template caused an error. Do they translate common response formats into plain js objects for you? If I need this, I have other functions to do it. I also have a function to autamatically populate a dynamic SELECT from a template that will produce all OPTION tags. This one adds 15 lines to the code, including 7 lines to workaround a bug in MSIE. There are things my code do not check however: - a tornado hit my server; - the end user has an attack of scarlet fever... - etc. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344680 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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So you agree with an incorrect assesment of the size of jQuery? It's 31KB minimized, not 300k. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:17 AM, wrote: Carrying 300K of JS code (min) just to do something that takes 10 lines (or less) of JS code is nonsense. I agree 100%. I do all my Ajax stuff with only two functions: ajaxGET (url) and ajaxPOST (url, sendText), exactly 10 lines each. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344681 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:24 AM, wrote: Do those 10 lines of code enable you to write different handlers depending on the status code and success of the http call without any fuss? Better than that : they open a new window to display the CF error dump in case the called template caused an error. Eh? How does jQuery make it easier for folks to get a CF error dump? Can you explain that? Do they translate common response formats into plain js objects for you? If I need this, I have other functions to do it. I also have a function to autamatically populate a dynamic SELECT from a template that will produce all OPTION tags. This one adds 15 lines to the code, including 7 lines to workaround a bug in MSIE. Great for you - but not everyone wants to write everything by hand. ;) There are things my code do not check however: - a tornado hit my server; - the end user has an attack of scarlet fever... - etc. You aren't even making sense here. If I'm missing your point, speak up. And btw - why do you show up nameles ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344682 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Eh? How does jQuery make it easier for folks to get a CF error dump? Can you explain that? I was talking about my own code, not jQuery. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344683 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I'd argue with that being better. Custom handlers for different responses allows you to tailor the reaction to failures either globally or case by case - you could open a new window with an error report, show a nice message for the user, do nothing, etc. I'm sure that your ajaxGet and ajaxPost methods are well written and do their job - but using jQuery goes well beyond a couple of ajax methods as I'm sure you know. Have you used jQuery Claude? (Ray, that is who the nameless one is - name appears on the HOF site ;)? On 19 May 2011 15:24, wrote: Better than that : they open a new window to display the CF error dump in case the called template caused an error. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344686 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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To be clear, even on Edge or 56K dial-up, non-cached Jquery, with all its built-in goodness, arrives in less than a second...so...I really can't imagine why rolling your own just-enough JS would be better. At least when it comes to speed/performance. Now, certainly, if you need to do X and Jquery doesn't help with X, that's a different story. But, since I started playing with Jquery, I've yet to find an X. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Dominic Watson watson.domi...@googlemail.com wrote: I'd argue with that being better. Custom handlers for different responses allows you to tailor the reaction to failures either globally or case by case - you could open a new window with an error report, show a nice message for the user, do nothing, etc. I'm sure that your ajaxGet and ajaxPost methods are well written and do their job - but using jQuery goes well beyond a couple of ajax methods as I'm sure you know. Have you used jQuery Claude? (Ray, that is who the nameless one is - name appears on the HOF site ;)? On 19 May 2011 15:24, wrote: Better than that : they open a new window to display the CF error dump in case the called template caused an error. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344688 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Have you used jQuery Claude? I use a couple of libraries in my system, but most of the time, there is something I need they won't do, or 90% they do I don't need. I've been developing my own functions far before jQuery existed and even the term AJAX was invented. They do exactly what I want the way I need. I've been a professional programmer for about 40 years, coding a few lines is not a problem. Of course I'm not against using libraries for complex apps if they do the job, but for this particular instance in this thread, which is I recall adding Ajax functionality, using jQuery just for this would be like using a harvester to cut a 10 square foot grass. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344690 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Clearly, use whatever you like...but...wrt your harvester analogy: when the harvester is free, doesn't impact speed/performance, and will handle the 10 square feet of grass and the 10 hectares of grass...I'm not seeing the drawback of using it for both. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:57 AM, wrote: Have you used jQuery Claude? I use a couple of libraries in my system, but most of the time, there is something I need they won't do, or 90% they do I don't need. I've been developing my own functions far before jQuery existed and even the term AJAX was invented. They do exactly what I want the way I need. I've been a professional programmer for about 40 years, coding a few lines is not a problem. Of course I'm not against using libraries for complex apps if they do the job, but for this particular instance in this thread, which is I recall adding Ajax functionality, using jQuery just for this would be like using a harvester to cut a 10 square foot grass. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344691 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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jQuery (and other libraries) is well tested, well maintained, hugely popular and well thought out. All these things will have an impact on the speed of development and quality of code, especially for someone who wasn't coding before these things were commonplace. Andrei's assertion that using jQuery in this case would be 'nonsense' ignores these pertinent benefits and is itself nonsense. On 19 May 2011 16:03, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: Of course I'm not against using libraries for complex apps if they do the job, but for this particular instance in this thread, which is I recall adding Ajax functionality, using jQuery just for this would be like using a harvester to cut a 10 square foot grass. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344693 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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There are things my code do not check however: - a tornado hit my server; - the end user has an attack of scarlet fever... Need some code for that? :o) -Original Message- From: Claude Schnéegans schneeg...@internetique.com [mailto:=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans schneegans@interneti=71?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ue.com=3E?=] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:24 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices Do those 10 lines of code enable you to write different handlers depending on the status code and success of the http call without any fuss? Better than that : they open a new window to display the CF error dump in case the called template caused an error. Do they translate common response formats into plain js objects for you? If I need this, I have other functions to do it. I also have a function to autamatically populate a dynamic SELECT from a template that will produce all OPTION tags. This one adds 15 lines to the code, including 7 lines to workaround a bug in MSIE. There are things my code do not check however: - a tornado hit my server; - the end user has an attack of scarlet fever... - etc. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344702 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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And btw - why do you show up nameles He shows up nameless for Gmail users because of a character encoding mismatch between Google's mail servers and his mail server. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344705 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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He shows up nameless for Gmail users because of a character encoding mismatch between Google's mail servers and his mail server. Actually no, My name is correctly set up in Thunderbird and all messages replied to me show my name correctly. Only those forwarded by CF_talk are messed up. The mail server at housefusion.com does not interpret and reproduces the code correctly. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344707 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Didn't really wanted to start a discussion. Just expressed my private opinion applied to this particular situation, not really trying to make any general claims. 1) It's 90k minified Only 90? Great! 2) Those 10 lines will inevitably be 1 line of jQuery No, my custom line will be 11th one. 3) Those 10 lines will work in your favorite browser; then you find that IE x has some quirk you didn't count on, etc XMLHTTPRequest is the only thing (thanks Computer God!) that works the same way everywhere. All browsers employ MS XMLHTTP interface. Only difference is in the initialization process, and this is why it requires 10 lines of code, not 1 or 2. 4) You and Claude S will best friends, I can tell Does it mean I am blacklisted now? jQuery core is only 229K uncompressed... This, of course, is much better than 300. Do those 10 lines of code enable you to write different handlers depending on the status code and success of the http call without any fuss? Do they translate common response formats into plain js objects for you? Yes, I could, but I don't need to, and I don't want to. I am calling MY Web-site, I know EXACTLY what to expect. I don't want library function to perform checks for situations, which will never happen. I want to have my own interface that fits my needs better. Unless I forced to do so, I will make entire HTML cooking on the server-side (this is why we use ColdFusion) and just dump results to the browser, to avoid annoying freezes of client's browser, while it processes JS objects, JSONs, XMLs, and created HTML on the fly. If you move server-side processing to the client side, than yes, you might need something like jQuery to help you with this. But, from my point of view, this is some different programming concept that significantly differs from the client-server paradigm that assumes that client must be as stupid and as simple, as possible. To be clear, even on Edge or 56K dial-up, non-cached Jquery, with all its built-in goodness, arrives in less than a second...so...I really can't imagine why rolling your own just-enough JS would be better. At least when it comes to speed/performance This is because you think that 1 sec is a short time and can be ignored. I have a different vision of this. I would fight for this 1 sec. As well as for the size of browser's working set. Clearly, use whatever you like...but...wrt your harvester analogy: when the harvester is free, doesn't impact speed/performance, and will handle the 10 square feet of grass and the 10 hectares of grass...I'm not seeing the drawback of using it for both No, this is a wrong example. The correct one is when you try to build a car that simultaneously can be used as a truck, limo, and participate in Formula-1. And yes, it must be electrical. Convertible? Please... Perhaps, you could build something like this, but in reality it is much better to have 3 or 4 DIFFERENT cars for different purposes. The only place where you can find a piece of free cheese is a mousetrap... jQuery (and other libraries) is well tested, well maintained, hugely popular and well thought out. All these things will have an impact on the speed of development and quality of code, especially for someone who wasn't coding before these things were commonplace. Andrei's assertion that using jQuery in this case would be 'nonsense' ignores these pertinent benefits and is itself nonsense. My definition of library is something that contains millions of books, but I can come there and borrow a SINGLE book I need, rather than carry back home all millions books. jQuery is a great exercise in JS programming. Never could imagine that so many things could be done in the browser! All those flying DIVs and popping images are amazing and REALLY require significant amount of efforts to create and maintain, especially considering the browsers war. But what it has to do with my simple task of dynamic update of the application screen? Therefore, my word nonsense should be applied to THIS situation ONLY and should NOT be used in any other context. Again, I did not try to offend anybody. The best language/tool/browser/etc. is the one you know. For example, we all reading this post because we all love ColdFusion and think it is the best. Want to learn an alternative point of view? Go to PHP or .NET forums. So, if you like jQuery, you comfortable with it, you totally trust and rely on it, could quickly produce desired results, or just because it is an internal standard of your company - USE IT. But don't tell me this how EVERYBODY should program, because this is the best, everybody use it, this is a common standard, it increases (??) the code quality, and so on, and so on. By the way, if people who created jQuery would think the same way, they would never created it in the first place, since it wasn't a common standard and not everybody used it. There are always attempts in the programming
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The other side of the coin is that since a lot of people use JQuery, and a lot of people get it from the shared JQuery CDN, users are bound to already have it cached and therefore there will be little or no load time. What terrible performance of JQuery? I guess it depends, but if you have cases where it works slow I would be interested to know. I know with every release they increase the performance (be it of selectors or functions themselves) MD On 19 May 2011, at 02:42, Andrei Kondrashev wrote: Carrying 300K of JS code (min) just to do something that takes 10 lines (or less) of JS code is nonsense. Not even speaking about its terrible performance. jQuery + infinity ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344719 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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So you typically generate the HTML for an ajax call on the server side and send that back to the browser? From a person who is concerned about that extra second and the size of the jQuery library, this approach seems a little contradictory as those ajax responses have to be bloated due to all the included markup as opposed to a simple JSON object. I'm curious, have you used any tools such as Firebug to actually see if results in less network traffic over the long run, especially considering the jQuery library can/will be cached? On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Andrei Kondrashev adiab...@cs.com wrote: Didn't really wanted to start a discussion. Just expressed my private opinion applied to this particular situation, not really trying to make any general claims. 1) It's 90k minified Only 90? Great! 2) Those 10 lines will inevitably be 1 line of jQuery No, my custom line will be 11th one. 3) Those 10 lines will work in your favorite browser; then you find that IE x has some quirk you didn't count on, etc XMLHTTPRequest is the only thing (thanks Computer God!) that works the same way everywhere. All browsers employ MS XMLHTTP interface. Only difference is in the initialization process, and this is why it requires 10 lines of code, not 1 or 2. 4) You and Claude S will best friends, I can tell Does it mean I am blacklisted now? jQuery core is only 229K uncompressed... This, of course, is much better than 300. Do those 10 lines of code enable you to write different handlers depending on the status code and success of the http call without any fuss? Do they translate common response formats into plain js objects for you? Yes, I could, but I don't need to, and I don't want to. I am calling MY Web-site, I know EXACTLY what to expect. I don't want library function to perform checks for situations, which will never happen. I want to have my own interface that fits my needs better. Unless I forced to do so, I will make entire HTML cooking on the server-side (this is why we use ColdFusion) and just dump results to the browser, to avoid annoying freezes of client's browser, while it processes JS objects, JSONs, XMLs, and created HTML on the fly. If you move server-side processing to the client side, than yes, you might need something like jQuery to help you with this. But, from my point of view, this is some different programming concept that significantly differs from the client-server paradigm that assumes that client must be as stupid and as simple, as possible. To be clear, even on Edge or 56K dial-up, non-cached Jquery, with all its built-in goodness, arrives in less than a second...so...I really can't imagine why rolling your own just-enough JS would be better. At least when it comes to speed/performance This is because you think that 1 sec is a short time and can be ignored. I have a different vision of this. I would fight for this 1 sec. As well as for the size of browser's working set. Clearly, use whatever you like...but...wrt your harvester analogy: when the harvester is free, doesn't impact speed/performance, and will handle the 10 square feet of grass and the 10 hectares of grass...I'm not seeing the drawback of using it for both No, this is a wrong example. The correct one is when you try to build a car that simultaneously can be used as a truck, limo, and participate in Formula-1. And yes, it must be electrical. Convertible? Please... Perhaps, you could build something like this, but in reality it is much better to have 3 or 4 DIFFERENT cars for different purposes. The only place where you can find a piece of free cheese is a mousetrap... jQuery (and other libraries) is well tested, well maintained, hugely popular and well thought out. All these things will have an impact on the speed of development and quality of code, especially for someone who wasn't coding before these things were commonplace. Andrei's assertion that using jQuery in this case would be 'nonsense' ignores these pertinent benefits and is itself nonsense. My definition of library is something that contains millions of books, but I can come there and borrow a SINGLE book I need, rather than carry back home all millions books. jQuery is a great exercise in JS programming. Never could imagine that so many things could be done in the browser! All those flying DIVs and popping images are amazing and REALLY require significant amount of efforts to create and maintain, especially considering the browsers war. But what it has to do with my simple task of dynamic update of the application screen? Therefore, my word nonsense should be applied to THIS situation ONLY and should NOT be used in any other context. Again, I did not try to offend anybody. The best language/tool/browser/etc. is the one you know. For example, we all reading this post because we all love ColdFusion and think it is the best. Want to learn an
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
I've been developing my own functions far before jQuery existed and even the term AJAX was invented. Most of us have. Big deal. I used to write all my own stuff too. Then I wised up. Why reinvent the wheel over and over with code that is almost certain to be of lower quality than the jQuery library? With virtually no discernible advantage. It makes no sense. It's like refusing to buy clothes because you know how to sew. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344726 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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My definition of library is something that contains millions of books, but I can come there and borrow a SINGLE book I need, rather than carry back home all millions books. Well, at less than 100k your library/millions of books analogy is fundamentally flawed. It's probably more accurate to say that jQuery is an encyclopedia vs the custom functions which are a few pages in a pamphlet. However you have a backpack and are extremely muscular, making either choice have virtually no impact on you. So then... why _not_ carry the encyclopedia? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344727 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Andrei, I want to point your attention to your comment. I am calling MY Web-site, I know EXACTLY what to expect As a veteran Software Analyst my first reaction is WTF!!! You might be calling your server but you have absolutely no control over the users machine, nor do you have any control over the users network connection, nor do you have any control over their internet connection. Unless you are in an Intranet situation, then you have your own restrictions and unforseen problems. Either way, you CAN NOT guarantee that the connection is going to be up between receiving the page and requesting the data. I think you might want to think a bit more about how connections work, and how to deal with them when they could break how you let the user know that there might be a problem with the internet connection or even network connection. I think that your type of attitude is the wrong attitude to have when working in this field. Now having said that, there is also another GREAT and in my opinion much and far better framework than jQuery out there. You might want to take a look at ExtJS Core this is also a very free framework, and provides in my opinion a much better way of doing things in JS than what jQuery is. Just something to consider that jQuery is not the only good tool out there, nor is it the best for all situations either. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Andrei Kondrashev [mailto:adiab...@cs.com] Sent: Friday, 20 May 2011 6:16 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices Didn't really wanted to start a discussion. Just expressed my private opinion applied to this particular situation, not really trying to make any general claims. 1) It's 90k minified Only 90? Great! 2) Those 10 lines will inevitably be 1 line of jQuery No, my custom line will be 11th one. 3) Those 10 lines will work in your favorite browser; then you find that IE x has some quirk you didn't count on, etc XMLHTTPRequest is the only thing (thanks Computer God!) that works the same way everywhere. All browsers employ MS XMLHTTP interface. Only difference is in the initialization process, and this is why it requires 10 lines of code, not 1 or 2. 4) You and Claude S will best friends, I can tell Does it mean I am blacklisted now? jQuery core is only 229K uncompressed... This, of course, is much better than 300. Do those 10 lines of code enable you to write different handlers depending on the status code and success of the http call without any fuss? Do they translate common response formats into plain js objects for you? Yes, I could, but I don't need to, and I don't want to. I am calling MY Web- site, I know EXACTLY what to expect. I don't want library function to perform checks for situations, which will never happen. I want to have my own interface that fits my needs better. Unless I forced to do so, I will make entire HTML cooking on the server-side (this is why we use ColdFusion) and just dump results to the browser, to avoid annoying freezes of client's browser, while it processes JS objects, JSONs, XMLs, and created HTML on the fly. If you move server-side processing to the client side, than yes, you might need something like jQuery to help you with this. But, from my point of view, this is some different programming concept that significantly differs from the client-server paradigm that assumes that client must be as stupid and as simple, as possible. To be clear, even on Edge or 56K dial-up, non-cached Jquery, with all its built-in goodness, arrives in less than a second...so...I really can't imagine why rolling your own just-enough JS would be better. At least when it comes to speed/performance This is because you think that 1 sec is a short time and can be ignored. I have a different vision of this. I would fight for this 1 sec. As well as for the size of browser's working set. Clearly, use whatever you like...but...wrt your harvester analogy: when the harvester is free, doesn't impact speed/performance, and will handle the 10 square feet of grass and the 10 hectares of grass...I'm not seeing the drawback of using it for both No, this is a wrong example. The correct one is when you try to build a car that simultaneously can be used as a truck, limo, and participate in Formula-1. And yes, it must be electrical. Convertible? Please... Perhaps, you could build something like this, but in reality it is much better to have 3 or 4 DIFFERENT cars for different purposes. The only place where you can find a piece of free cheese is a mousetrap... jQuery (and other libraries) is well tested, well maintained, hugely popular and well thought out. All these things will have an impact on the speed of development and quality of code, especially for someone who wasn't coding before these things were commonplace. Andrei's assertion that using jQuery in this case would
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jQuery forever On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote: jQuery + infinity On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote: jQuery + 10. ;) On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Carl Von Stetten vonner.li...@vonner.net wrote: jquery +1 On 5/17/2011 8:50 AM, Darius Florczyk wrote: Hi, I need to add AJAX functionality in a new project and wondering if anyone had any recommendations for the most robust, stable choice. I will be using it with CF7 but need for it to be easily portable to Railo. The need is to easily load CMS content in to DIV layers depending on the users selection and posting of form submits with confirmation alerts. So far I was looking at ajaxCFC, Prototype, maAjax, CFAjax, JSMX, Any recommendations? Thanks Darius ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344612 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
ColdFusion and AJAX choices
Hi, I need to add AJAX functionality in a new project and wondering if anyone had any recommendations for the most robust, stable choice. I will be using it with CF7 but need for it to be easily portable to Railo. The need is to easily load CMS content in to DIV layers depending on the users selection and posting of form submits with confirmation alerts. So far I was looking at ajaxCFC, Prototype, maAjax, CFAjax, JSMX, Any recommendations? Thanks Darius ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344571 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
JQuery... that's all you need On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Darius Florczyk dar...@cybermash.com wrote: Hi, I need to add AJAX functionality in a new project and wondering if anyone had any recommendations for the most robust, stable choice. I will be using it with CF7 but need for it to be easily portable to Railo. The need is to easily load CMS content in to DIV layers depending on the users selection and posting of form submits with confirmation alerts. So far I was looking at ajaxCFC, Prototype, maAjax, CFAjax, JSMX, Any recommendations? Thanks Darius ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344573 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Yes; ignore everything in that list and use jQuery. -- WSS4CF - WS-Security framework for CF http://wss4cf.riaforge.org/ On 17 May 2011 23:50, Darius Florczyk dar...@cybermash.com wrote: Hi, I need to add AJAX functionality in a new project and wondering if anyone had any recommendations for the most robust, stable choice. I will be using it with CF7 but need for it to be easily portable to Railo. The need is to easily load CMS content in to DIV layers depending on the users selection and posting of form submits with confirmation alerts. So far I was looking at ajaxCFC, Prototype, maAjax, CFAjax, JSMX, ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344574 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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jQuery. -- Greg Luce Luce Consulting Services, Inc. (863) 273-0289 On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Darius Florczyk dar...@cybermash.comwrote: Hi, I need to add AJAX functionality in a new project and wondering if anyone had any recommendations for the most robust, stable choice. I will be using it with CF7 but need for it to be easily portable to Railo. The need is to easily load CMS content in to DIV layers depending on the users selection and posting of form submits with confirmation alerts. So far I was looking at ajaxCFC, Prototype, maAjax, CFAjax, JSMX, Any recommendations? Thanks Darius ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344575 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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JQuery... that's all you need Thank you for the suggestion. Any good tutorials on using CF with jQuery that you are aware of? thanks ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344577 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
definitely jquery Azadi On 17/05/2011 23:50 , Darius Florczyk wrote: Hi, I need to add AJAX functionality in a new project and wondering if anyone had any recommendations for the most robust, stable choice. I will be using it with CF7 but need for it to be easily portable to Railo. The need is to easily load CMS content in to DIV layers depending on the users selection and posting of form submits with confirmation alerts. So far I was looking at ajaxCFC, Prototype, maAjax, CFAjax, JSMX, Any recommendations? Thanks Darius ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344578 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
If you look into those solutions you mentioned, many of them do in fact use jQuery, they are basically wrappers for CF to simplify Ajax with CF. It has been years since I used any them, and I used to use AjaxCFC, and it certainly did make things a bit quicker and easier than using raw JQuery. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Darius Florczyk dar...@cybermash.comwrote: JQuery... that's all you need Thank you for the suggestion. Any good tutorials on using CF with jQuery that you are aware of? thanks ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344579 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
The jQuery docs are very good
http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.get/
This is an example of how to grab content and put it into a div with the id
of myDiv.
$.get(getcontent.cfm, { id: 23, userId: 324 },
function(data){
$('#myDiv').html(data)
});
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:
If you look into those solutions you mentioned, many of them do in fact use
jQuery, they are basically wrappers for CF to simplify Ajax with CF. It has
been years since I used any them, and I used to use AjaxCFC, and it
certainly did make things a bit quicker and easier than using raw JQuery.
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Darius Florczyk dar...@cybermash.com
wrote:
JQuery... that's all you need
Thank you for the suggestion. Any good tutorials on using CF with jQuery
that you are aware of? thanks
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JQuery... that's all you need Thank you for the suggestion. Any good tutorials on using CF with jQuery that you are aware of? thanks Ray Camden's site has a bunch of excellent tutorials. You also may want to check jQuery.com - they list some there as well. But as a starter: http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2010/7/9/Another-simple-jQueryColdFusion-example ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344581 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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jquery +1 On 5/17/2011 8:50 AM, Darius Florczyk wrote: Hi, I need to add AJAX functionality in a new project and wondering if anyone had any recommendations for the most robust, stable choice. I will be using it with CF7 but need for it to be easily portable to Railo. The need is to easily load CMS content in to DIV layers depending on the users selection and posting of form submits with confirmation alerts. So far I was looking at ajaxCFC, Prototype, maAjax, CFAjax, JSMX, Any recommendations? Thanks Darius ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344583 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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jQuery + 10. ;) On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Carl Von Stetten vonner.li...@vonner.net wrote: jquery +1 On 5/17/2011 8:50 AM, Darius Florczyk wrote: Hi, I need to add AJAX functionality in a new project and wondering if anyone had any recommendations for the most robust, stable choice. I will be using it with CF7 but need for it to be easily portable to Railo. The need is to easily load CMS content in to DIV layers depending on the users selection and posting of form submits with confirmation alerts. So far I was looking at ajaxCFC, Prototype, maAjax, CFAjax, JSMX, Any recommendations? Thanks Darius ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344584 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
jQuery for the win... -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:rcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 2:05 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices jQuery + 10. ;) On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Carl Von Stetten vonner.li...@vonner.net wrote: jquery +1 On 5/17/2011 8:50 AM, Darius Florczyk wrote: Hi, I need to add AJAX functionality in a new project and wondering if anyone had any recommendations for the most robust, stable choice. I will be using it with CF7 but need for it to be easily portable to Railo. The need is to easily load CMS content in to DIV layers depending on the users selection and posting of form submits with confirmation alerts. So far I was looking at ajaxCFC, Prototype, maAjax, CFAjax, JSMX, Any recommendations? Thanks Darius ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344585 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Thank you for the example, I used jQuery a few times but for a larger project that was a financial application I used wddxAjax but that was 5-6 years ago :) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344596 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Re: ColdFusion and AJAX choices
jQuery + infinity On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote: jQuery + 10. ;) On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Carl Von Stetten vonner.li...@vonner.net wrote: jquery +1 On 5/17/2011 8:50 AM, Darius Florczyk wrote: Hi, I need to add AJAX functionality in a new project and wondering if anyone had any recommendations for the most robust, stable choice. I will be using it with CF7 but need for it to be easily portable to Railo. The need is to easily load CMS content in to DIV layers depending on the users selection and posting of form submits with confirmation alerts. So far I was looking at ajaxCFC, Prototype, maAjax, CFAjax, JSMX, Any recommendations? Thanks Darius ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:344603 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
