On 9/13/06, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
he wouldn't elaborate to much on it but it seemed to be pretty much that, he did also mention you'll be able to see/monitor all threads running and kill them etc, as well as open up cf more and see what exactly is happening under the hood and what
log entries at:
http://carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/fusiondebug
/charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/
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to tie these comments back to the thread title, I really hope that
this is more than some lame thread-watching tool.
I'm continually impressed with VisualStudio.NET's debugging.
breakpoints, line-by-line code execution, watching variables -
anywhere in the code - even being able to drill down
just to be clear here - four points:
Adobe CF (and BD for that matter) is a commercial product, not opensource.
the CF marketshare is too small/fragile to leave support of the
platform (tools) to outside sources... for a commercial product (why
do I care? if the tools are inadequate, no one
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to tie these comments back to the thread title, I really hope
available.
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to tie
I thought Adobe's support for CFEclipse was pretty common knowledge -
what about all the CFEclipse plugins they've distributed with 702 for
starters? It got a lot of coverage at webDu with both Dean Harmon
and Rob Rohan there...
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Robin Hilliard
On 14/09/2006, at 10:07 AM,
Given that a number companies are now giving away, for free, theirpropriety products for limited use, when is Adobe going to jump on the
bandwagon with JRun and Coldfusion? Well, actually I currently know ofonly one application server that's now free: the IBM WebSphereApplication Server Community
: Why buy into
CF?
Given
that a number companies are now giving away, for free, theirpropriety
products for limited use, when is Adobe going to jump on the bandwagon
with JRun and Coldfusion? Well, actually I currently know ofonly one
application server that's now free: the IBM
I meet Ben once.. he wasa 6ft tall, arms like tree trunks andhair as red as fire, he bespoken with harmony in his voice he-be,and when he stared at you, it felt as if the devil be watchin ya, it did.
He affectionately referred to me as weird little man and i remember his words fondly... could you
On 9/12/06, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
M@, are you referring to interactive step debugging? Or
something else? I'd just not heard of any plans for Adobe to do step debugging,
so just curious what you may have heard.
Hi Charlie good to hear from a fellow long time BD user, he
On 9/12/06, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I meet Ben once.. he wasa 6ft tall, arms like tree trunks andhair as red as fire, he bespoken with harmony in his voice he-be,and when he stared at you, it felt as if the devil be watchin ya, it did.
He affectionately referred to me as weird
On 9/13/06, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Given that a number companies are now giving away, for free, their
propriety products for limited use, when is Adobe going to jump on the
bandwagon with JRun and Coldfusion? Well, actually I currently know of
only one application server
Its true..
I sit here daily thinking about how life in CF/FLEX programming was so damn sweet. Now days, i spend most of my time in meetings, talking about what I'd like to do with the two brands under my charge, yet can't quite execute them due to some crap about governance or red tape here and
.NET isn't so bad to be honest? the only thing that i find a bit disconcerting about it, is what could I use it for given that Microsoft are a bit sketchy as to what the future of .NET 2.0 apps will look like with the upcomingVista Regime?
I'm more inclined to start asking questions about
Oh, Microsoft have implemented XAML into IE 7 long long before we clued in onto that fact. You have to be a mug to not realise that the whole Web application concept threatened the very existance of an Operating Systems actual purpose as it was living out the hybrid dream of thin-ware deployment.
On 9/10/06, Chad Renando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On that note, can that then please get Google not to say Did you
mean: coldfusion whenever you search for the term, or get wikipedia
to acknowledge the software
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion)?
They do
Chad,
CF is called Coldfusion and not Cold fusion
Cold Fusion is a science term for nuclear fusion:-)
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On that note, can that then please get Google not to say Did you
mean: coldfusion whenever you search for the term, or get wikipedia
to acknowledge the software
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion)?
Chad
who wanted to get his name in on this monster thread
On 9/9/06, Scott Barnes [EMAIL
On 9/8/06, Haikal Saadh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter Tilbrook wrote: Yeah but JBoss isn't supported for ColdFusion yet (it will be with Scorpio though).
I didn't realise that.. I thought because you could deploy CF as an ear,you could put in on any ol' server.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it
Sorry Jeremy, but what on earth would you expect them to say after
reading this thread? IMHO it hasn't covered anything that hasn't
already been done to death (over and over) on this list in the last
six or so years. Yes it would be nice if ColdFusion were free and
world governments
Glad you took that in the spirit it was intended - I thought about
that email last night cringed about being too harsh... No offence
intended :)
Just came across this this morning -
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/09/07/JRuby-guys - maybe
we'll be able to run ruby code in our CF
and I apologise to all and sundary for accidently making this the
longest and most obtuce thread on cfaussie. Perhaps I'm a bit too
protective of the fact that I like what I do and the tools I use and
it irks me to throw away good ideas for bad.
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Java
cheers
b
On
Barry,
Everyone on this list would agree with about what they love here too. And we
just had a discussion here about Ruby, it might be gaining ground but our
clients are blue chip companies, and one of our developers said the same
thing that Dale did say awhile ago. You can't put Ruby or RonR to
No need to apologise Barry. For the most part this has been a healthy
debate about CF and its competitors. Anyone who relies on CF for their
living should be aware of its competitors and how they compare to CF
(especially how they compare to CF in the eyes of the bean counters and
decision
Nathan,
Have to agree as a developer we should all not only be aware of our
competitors but adapt where we can or even leverage if need be.
As far as RonR it's just a fancy term for MVC, ORM and Spring rolled into
one, but hey that's my opinion.
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
On 9/6/06, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would be of interest to get his take on this discussion.
Any questions you want me to ask him feel free to post in here.
and I'll ask him.
Given that a number companies are now giving away, for free, their
propriety products for limited use,
I think the Java AS and database market has become a bit commodotised.
They all do more or less the same thing. I don't see why anyone would
pay for JRun... JBoss does the same thing for free.
CF, on the other hand, is a different kettle of fish... The code in
that uncyclopedia link posted
On 08/09/06, Haikal Saadh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the Java AS and database market has become a bit commodotised.They all do more or less the same thing. I don't see why anyone wouldpay for JRun... JBoss does the same thing for free.
Yeah but JBoss isn't supported for ColdFusion yet (it
On 9/8/06, Haikal Saadh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
software development) easy. If Adobe gave away CF for free, where would
they get money from?
I guess the same way that IBM, Oracle and Microsoft are making their money.
Chris
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On 9/6/06, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's very interesting, considering that according to his website
he'll be in London next Tuesday.
Lets hope so Chris, as I work roughly 40km's from London :)
I'll even email ya some photo's if you'd like
It would be of interest to get his
Forget your mega budget push from Microsoft, I'm still
astounded/disgusted in the amount of hype that surounds the
RubyOnRails camp. did you know that 37Signals has done a deal with
Apple so the next version of OS-X comming out will have RonR included
on every copy, ready to install and run? sure
Barry,
How did you know that we use Powerbuilder and Lotus notes!! I cracked
up when I read that cause thats exactly the path we are going.
We(company) will be moving all of that to .NET in the years to come.
Sean very interesting point on th RoR that it will be shipping with
OSX. Very
For your SME clients - stupid cheap CF hosting -
It is meant to be quite good too, if you do a google search on it -
http://www.hostingatoz.com/
Just to throw that in.
Mark
On 9/7/06, Sean Bucklar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Forget your mega budget push from Microsoft, I'm still
Forget your mega budget push from Microsoft, I'm still
astounded/disgusted in the amount of hype that surounds the
RubyOnRails camp. did you know that 37Signals has done a deal with
Apple so the next version of OS-X comming out will have RonR included
on every copy, ready to install and run?
I agree with Jeremy on this one too.
It may be well and good to promote a strong grassroots love for CF in
the developer community, but with a complete absence of visibility to
the decision making tier of businesses (a group which is almost
mutually exclusive to the developer community), it gets
I've said it before and will say it againif your company gets to the top 200 companies on the ASX microsoft will be so far up your ass that you'll think you've got a second tonguethere whole marketing strategyis to get as many of the top 200 companies as possible, then they'll advertise in the
Ben Forta is coming to my work next tuesday for a visit, maybe they need more ben forta's (As he can only be in on place at one time) and have them continually going around the companies.M@
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An Ad i found in seek this morning. This is what I have to deal with
everyday at work.
A financially secure, ASX listed company who provides IT services to
organisations of all sizes across the Asia Pacific region, is seeking
an experienced ColdFusion/.Net Developer.
Working in a team
aye
and I've *heard* that Talent2 have some chunky modules to deilver for
a large brisbane-based university _THAT_USED_TO_RUN_COLDFUSION_!!!
somedays it feels like being a pixie about 2 inches high, jumping up
and down waving arms everywhere shouting (at pixie volume)
use coldfusion.. it's
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An Ad i found in seek this morning. This is what I have to deal with
everyday at work.
A financially secure, ASX listed company who provides IT services to
organisations of all sizes across the Asia Pacific region
So on one hand you want it to be free, (not to mention others
complaining that $40/month is too much for shared CF hosting and
taking their business offshore) on the other hand you want Adobe to
spend a few hundred thousand dollars at least advertising ColdFusion
in ANZ (and that is a
well, Robin, I'll bow to your experiance and position in the industry
and gladly accept the view that what's happening to Jeremy and I is
mearly an aberation (caused by different circumstances). Others
people's milage obviously vary to this.
and if you're comfrortable with the current
Rails won't be the last framework for ruby, just like any language it'll eventually get flooded with crap and poor code. I couldn't imagine many companies scrapping a technology for ruby just yet, sure some will but its a bit to pioneering, sure its an old language but its more the frame work your
if they are whinging about the cost of multiple licenses why not challenge with the cost of multi-skilled developers. no
doubt its best to have developers with multiple skills but in a global
skills shortage (of all languages) is it good to have people very
experienced *commercially* with cf
Ben Forta has written an wrapper around image/J.
Andrew Mercer wrote:
What I would like to see from Adobe take from .Net is the amount of
objects that have been exposed in to the developer.
That is, I would like to see more JAVA objects exposed. For example, I
would like to see a CFZIP
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 01:58:58PM +1000, Dale Fraser wrote:
When presenting different technologies to the Board here, the first question
the chairman asked.
Q: Who makes ColdFusion
A: Adobe
Now if I had been pitching PHP.
Q: Who makes PHP
A: Ahh, Not sure a bunch of guys, but you
I'm sure Andrew is aware of that, and that there are custom tags around for zip
and sleep as well.
But just because these things exist does not mean that Adobe should not be
expanding the native CF tag library to include these features. I for one would
be generally much happier to use a CF
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On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 01:58:58PM +1000, Dale Fraser wrote:
When presenting different technologies to the Board here, the first
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The thing I like best
about CF over .Net, is it has been consistent for the last 9-10 years
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I'm sure Andrew is aware of that, and that there are custom tags
After 11 years of CF I am prepared to let it all go.No explanation. Just tired of trying to defend it or find work without having to move hundreds of miles to places that get it.
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Hi Barry,
No time to read entire post, but you ever tried to fix or extend the rails framework if it doesn't do *exactly* what you want it to do? You might as well re-write it in CF in some cases. Hopefully I will get to read the whole thread tomorrow...
My 2cShane
p.s. If I gave $2 (or worth)
The main PHP engine is by Zend (http://www.zend.com). PHP 5 is getting close to the feel of Java moving it from just a RADlike language to a more powerful enterprise solution with PDF and charting being built into the engine with simple extension dll/so libraries. It also has a very strong
Dale, does this stop you from using MySQL databases?
On 8/30/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see,But I picked them for my comment I wouldn't be jumping on any platform thatwasn't provided by a main stream player
Thus, I don't know who provides PHP.RegardsDale
On 8/30/06, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but it would be very difficult to develop a .NETapplication using something as simple as notepad.
There are some OK editors out there to do .NET coding in (all the editors for the MONO runtime in Linux, Dreamweaver etc)
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?I'm sure Andrew is aware of that, and that there are custom tags around forzip and sleep as well.But just because these things exist does not mean that Adobe should not be
expanding the native CF tag library to include
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zip and sleep
On 30/08/2006, at 3:24 PM, Mark Stanton wrote:
Hi Andrew
I still see RoR the same as ModleGlue.
Here is the rails API documentation: http://api.rubyonrails.com/
If you take the ColdSpring, MG, Reactor and CFAjax + big chunks of the
CF language (where CF is abstracting away tricky stuff
but there is no particular magic about it - all the RoR things can be done in
CF
but Robin, the reverse of that is true too. - all the CF things can
be done in RonR. Where's the product differentiation?
and now, that includes remoting, which was one selling point I was
using in flying the
.
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://dale.fraser.id.au
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Dale, does this stop you
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yep - this is my point.
Sure the sleep thing is simple, but ColdFusion is more about
CFSLEEP time=5000 /
On 8/30/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brett,
You make a fine point, I wasn't sure if he wanted
On 31/08/2006, at 2:10 AM, Barry Beattie wrote:
but there is no particular magic about it - all the RoR things can
be done in CF
but Robin, the reverse of that is true too. - all the CF things can
be done in RonR. Where's the product differentiation?
Barry, I was talking about the
Couldnt' have said it better my self. The Emperor colthes are grey
hahahahaha.
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Anyone know of a good example of RoR 'scaffolding' code I can look at?
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The thing I like best
about CF over .Net, is it has been consistent for the last 9-10 years - since
the CF tags (after db
Thanks Robin,
I guess you put it better than I could have.
Mark Stanton touched it, and the point is as Robin said all languages can
achieve the same thing. I was interested to know why RoR was any different
to CF + MG:U or even MachII + Reactor.
At the end of the day, scaffolding is supported
37Signals (who originally made rails) uses it for all of their apps, I
believe. They've stated that campfire and basecamp use rails... the rest
of their stuff probably does as well.
Andrew Scott wrote:
Thanks Robin,
I guess you put it better than I could have.
Mark Stanton touched it, and
From what I'm reading Barry - your argument comes down to one simple question -
If RonR can pretty much do everything CF can do, and it's free - why
would a company pay the extra dollars?
Would the be correct?
Mark
On 8/31/06, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Barry, I was talking
If RonR can pretty much do everything CF can do, and it's free - why
would a company pay the extra dollars?
well, that part of it sort-of evolved, but it's not the whole story if
you factor in Jeremy's points of moving to .NET, and us with Java/JSP.
and as a litmus test and leaving a direct
You know, something I was just thinking of now -
Thinking 'corporate' style - the fact that CF is NOT open source means
that if anything goes wrong with CF itself, you have somewhere to go
where you are guarenteed service. Not the case with RoR. Or true of
any OS software.
Just a thought - but
Besides the support issues, there is also a level of polish in CF that other languages don't have. Some points are:CF components are an access=remote away from being web servicesquery-of-queries
custom tags - they may seem like a trivial feature but can make code incredibly intuitiveBlairOn
There are lots of reasons.
It doesn't just give you web stuff it gives you a lot more, like PDF, report
writing, Flash / Flex hooks
It leverages the power of Java without the complexity.
Compared to pulling in lots of different OS / Free solutions to achieve the
same result, you are better off
into CF?
No php? Hmm ...
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There are lots of reasons.
It doesn't just give you web stuff it gives you a lot more
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No php? Hmm ...
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There are lots of reasons.
It doesn't just give you web
into CF?
No php? Hmm ...
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There are lots of reasons.
It doesn't just give you web stuff it gives you a lot
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No sorry, my point was Java is a little different to .Net and CF as is
php. Java code is open you can do what ever you like with it even rewrite
RoR is super simple if you are following DHH's blog in 15 minutes
presentation. After that it does get considerably harder and you are,
god forbid, expected to learn something of the ruby language and the
mechanics of the rails framework.
I spent about 100 hours building an app in it earlier
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No sorry, my point was Java is a little different to .Net and CF
You get 2 of those 3 in RoR
On 8/30/06, Blair McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Besides the support issues, there is also a level of polish in CF that other
languages don't have. Some points are:
CF components are an access=remote away from being web services
query-of-queries
custom tags -
Doods,
I brought this up a few lists ago. I'm currently battling to keep CF as
well. But its a battle that is going to end with MS being the winner.
Firstly; RoR there is one for ColdFusion called CFWheels do a google
search. However it only works with Apache and for the most part I
couldn't
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Dale, I'm sure there's a lot of PHP developers that don't know either, nor
care.
the same for their bosses and their clients.
so which Ghostbusters are you going to call if something goes wrong?
mothership Adobe
Hmmm,
Without going further into the argument, or what RoR is. But to me RoR looks
and smells like MG:U
Or am I missing something?
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The issue isn't if BlueDragon is cheaper or not. The fact of the matter
is the Server licences cost to much. We have are LARGE application
that is writtin in CF but will be pushed to .NET because its cheaper to
buy studio and distribute our application then it is to buy CF server/s
licence and
of the water.
Thats it from me for now:)
Steve
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I see your point steve, but I think your wrong.
Firstly; .NET you can develop an app using notepad. Why...cause your a
freak and you like your nipples twisted.
Secondly
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I see your point steve, but I think your wrong.
Firstly; .NET you can develop an app using notepad. Why...cause your a
freak and you like
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I see your point steve, but I think your wrong.
Firstly; .NET you can develop an app using
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Thats my point,
You develop in ColdFusion for free but when it comes time to sell your
application it costs money to do that. Where as MS does it the other
way around. Most big applications that we build
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