Re: [c-nsp] MST Experiences: was Re: Dell switches (specifically PowerConnect 7048P) and Ciscos

2012-11-28 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:05:55AM +, Phil Mayers wrote: I'm sure there are topologies in which mst is suitable Textbook topologies, obviously :-) - where you sit down, design your network, implement it, *and then go elsewhere* instead of modifying your network on-the-fly. gert --

Re: [c-nsp] MST Experiences: was Re: Dell switches (specifically PowerConnect 7048P) and Ciscos

2012-11-28 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-11-28 09:55 +0100), Gert Doering wrote: I'm sure there are topologies in which mst is suitable Textbook topologies, obviously :-) - where you sit down, design your network, implement it, *and then go elsewhere* instead of modifying your network on-the-fly. We've ran MST as long

Re: [c-nsp] MST Experiences: was Re: Dell switches (specifically PowerConnect 7048P) and Ciscos

2012-11-28 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:13:02AM +0200, Saku Ytti wrote: But for completely other (numerous) reasons, we're ditching whole L2 and rocking MPLS end to end. Yeah. We see to it that our L2 STP domains are very small (if we can avoid it, no more than 4-6 devices each), and we need to go

Re: [c-nsp] MST Experiences: was Re: Dell switches (specifically PowerConnect 7048P) and Ciscos

2012-11-28 Thread Phil Mayers
On 11/28/2012 09:13 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: On (2012-11-28 09:55 +0100), Gert Doering wrote: I'm sure there are topologies in which mst is suitable Textbook topologies, obviously :-) - where you sit down, design your network, implement it, *and then go elsewhere* instead of modifying your

Re: [c-nsp] MST Experiences: was Re: Dell switches (specifically PowerConnect 7048P) and Ciscos

2012-11-28 Thread Kis-Hegedűs Gábor
Hi, We use MSTP with VTPv3. It's quite good if your topology is simple but you have a lot of VLANs. Before we used a lot of STP instances, now we use two of them:) Also on the Cisco 2960 series platform you have an STP instance limit of 128. Br, Gabor -Original Message- From:

[c-nsp] ME3400 roadmap for IPv6 first hop redundany

2012-11-28 Thread Christian Kratzer
Hi, we use me3400 for ftth customers with redundant connections and hsrp v2 as a first hop redundancy solution. Sadly only glbp seems to be supported for ipv6 currently. We would like to have hsrp to be able to track the upstream interface, reachability of default route etc... Does anybody

Re: [c-nsp] l2vpn me3600X to ASR9k

2012-11-28 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
I see now. So you are testing hierarchical vpls with access pw terminated in bridge domain right? What I didn't get is from where to where are you trying to ping Is it between the access-pw and the bundle interface within the bridge domain or across the vpls? The outputs below looked alright Just

Re: [c-nsp] ME3400 roadmap for IPv6 first hop redundany

2012-11-28 Thread sthaug
we use me3400 for ftth customers with redundant connections and hsrp v2 as a first hop redundancy solution. Sadly only glbp seems to be supported for ipv6 currently. We would like to have hsrp to be able to track the upstream interface, reachability of default route etc... Does

Re: [c-nsp] MST Experiences: was Re: Dell switches (specifically PowerConnect 7048P) and Ciscos

2012-11-28 Thread Chuck Church
Those were our same exact reasons as well. We were supporting multiple tenants and had a need for a large number of VLANs on the campus. The 3560s also had that 128 STP instance limit, and we were fast approaching it. We knocked it down to about 10 MST instances, giving us some flexibility as

[c-nsp] ISR G2 Licenses - Permanent vs Right To Use

2012-11-28 Thread Steve McCrory
Hi Group, We've had a complaint from a customer that their security license on a 1941K9 is showing as Right To Use when they are expecting it to show Permanent: Index 2 Feature: securityk9 Period left: Life time License Type: RightToUse License State: Active,

Re: [c-nsp] ISR G2 Licenses - Permanent vs Right To Use

2012-11-28 Thread Reuben Farrelly
On 28/11/2012 10:52 PM, Steve McCrory wrote: Hi Group, We've had a complaint from a customer that their security license on a 1941K9 is showing as Right To Use when they are expecting it to show Permanent: Index 2 Feature: securityk9 Period left: Life time License Type:

Re: [c-nsp] ISR G2 Licenses - Permanent vs Right To Use

2012-11-28 Thread Steve McCrory
Hi Reuben, Thanks for the information. So essentially, as long as we have evidence that we purchased the license (distributor should be able to provide this) then we are covered for using an RTU license? Steven -Original Message- From: Reuben Farrelly [mailto:reuben-cisco-...@reub.net]

Re: [c-nsp] ISR G2 Licenses - Permanent vs Right To Use

2012-11-28 Thread Richard Clayton
All ours say Index 2 Feature: securityk9 Period left: Life time License Type: Permanent License State: Active, In Use License Count: Non-Counted License Priority: Medium On 28 November 2012 11:52, Steve McCrory smccr...@gcicom.net wrote: Hi Group,

Re: [c-nsp] ISR G2 Licenses - Permanent vs Right To Use

2012-11-28 Thread Richard Clayton
Reuben How do I activate a RightToUse licence, I have only ever used the permanent process before. Thanks Sledge On 28 November 2012 12:23, Reuben Farrelly reuben-cisco-...@reub.netwrote: On 28/11/2012 10:52 PM, Steve McCrory wrote: Hi Group, RightToUse (RTU) license are licenses that

Re: [c-nsp] ISR G2 Licenses - Permanent vs Right To Use

2012-11-28 Thread Brian Turnbow
Hi Group, We've had a complaint from a customer that their security license on a 1941K9 is showing as Right To Use when they are expecting it to show Permanent: Index 2 Feature: securityk9 Period left: Life time License Type: RightToUse License

Re: [c-nsp] 1310nm optics over Corning LEAF G.655?

2012-11-28 Thread Tim Durack
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Tim Durack tdur...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone run 1000BASE-LX/10GBASE-LR 1310nm optics over a ~10km Corning LEAF G.655 span? I understand this fiber is not optimized for such usage, but what is the real-world behaviour? I'm having a hard time finding hard data.

Re: [c-nsp] ISR G2 Licenses - Permanent vs Right To Use

2012-11-28 Thread Blake Dunlap
Right to use means they just turned on eval mode and let it go to honor mode. If they had installed an actual license, it would show perm. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Brian Turnbow b.turn...@twt.it wrote: Hi Group, We've had a complaint from a customer that their security license

Re: [c-nsp] Dell switches (specifically PowerConnect 7048P) and Ciscos

2012-11-28 Thread Brandon Ewing
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:22:27PM -0500, Chuck Church wrote: Just curious, is the VLAN mapping to instances the big issue you guys have with MST? In our deployments we used pretty large ranges to cover growth, and mapped purposes such as L2-only VLANs (no SVI), servers, users, VoIP, etc into

[c-nsp] IP LFA in ring topology

2012-11-28 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
Hi, Is it possible to tune metric on links in ring to get the most nodes on the ring protected by the LFA? RFC 5286 3.2. Node-Protecting Alternate Next-Hops For an alternate next-hop N to protect against node failure of a primary neighbor E for destination D, N must be loop-free with

Re: [c-nsp] ISR G2 Licenses - Permanent vs Right To Use

2012-11-28 Thread Steve McCrory
So are you saying that the distributor has not installed any license at all as they are pretty adamant that they have and the Cisco EULA seems to suggest that a RTU license is valid as long as you do actually purchase a license From: Blake Dunlap [mailto:iki...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 November

Re: [c-nsp] IP LFA in ring topology

2012-11-28 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-11-28 18:24 +0100), Adam Vitkovsky wrote: Is it possible to tune metric on links in ring to get the most nodes on the ring protected by the LFA? It's pretty easy to see how many boxes will be protected by just pen and paper. Just cross out link, and see if you'd return traffic back.

Re: [c-nsp] IP LFA in ring topology

2012-11-28 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-11-28 19:44 +0200), Saku Ytti wrote: P1 | R1-R2-R3 | | R5R4 Ir R5 - R4 gets outage, R5 does not have LFA to P1, as R4 would send towards R5. Uhh. If R5-R1 gets outage, I should have written. -- ++ytti ___

[c-nsp] ME3800X In MPLS Core

2012-11-28 Thread Steven McCrory
Hi Group, I've been asked to help build a new MPLS core and I'm looking for opinions on using the ME3800X devices in the core. Basically the core would be BGP-free and I'm considering the ME3800X due to its 10Gb capability, forwarding performance and attractive price. All the intelligence and

Re: [c-nsp] MST Experiences: was Re: Dell switches (specifically PowerConnect 7048P) and Ciscos

2012-11-28 Thread Vinny_Abello
Dell FTOS has PVST on our Force10 switches. I won't claim familiarity with it or differences to Cisco PVST+ as I don't work in the F10 group, but I know it's there. I can find a Dell F10 contact for you if you have questions about it. Interoperability testing has been done and documented here:

Re: [c-nsp] MST Experiences: was Re: Dell switches (specifically PowerConnect 7048P) and Ciscos

2012-11-28 Thread Bernie
I too am a Dell network geek. I've supported Force10 S4810s being installed into a RPVST+ environment and it was painless. The doc does a very good job of explaining corner cases people might be concerned about. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:36 PM, vinny_abe...@dell.com wrote: Dell FTOS has PVST

[c-nsp] LAC for PPPoE with multiple links to LNS

2012-11-28 Thread Warwick Duncan
Hi We're planning a network of a couple of thousand remote sites connecting with PPP to a central router (we're thinking a Cisco ASR 1002-X). For most sites we can get ethernet to the central router and can use PPPoE but for several hundred we have to go via a third party's layer 3 network,

Re: [c-nsp] LAC for PPPoE with multiple links to LNS

2012-11-28 Thread Arie Vayner (avayner)
The main issue would be that a single L2TP tunnel would hash to a single uplink, and would never load share across different uplinks. What you most likely would have to do is to have multiple IP addresses on the LAC and LNS (loopbacks...), and route them through different links. The LAC can

Re: [c-nsp] LAC for PPPoE with multiple links to LNS

2012-11-28 Thread Warwick Duncan
Hi Arie On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 08:06:31PM +, Arie Vayner (avayner) wrote: The main issue would be that a single L2TP tunnel would hash to a single uplink, and would never load share across different uplinks. So if I understand correctly, the load sharing between LAC and LNS is simply a

Re: [c-nsp] MST Experiences: was Re: Dell switches (specifically PowerConnect 7048P) and Ciscos

2012-11-28 Thread Randy
my experience with FTOS is pre-Dell so things may have changed since. FTOS- RSTP is a *single-instance* of spanning tree for all vlans - definitely not what I would deploy. Cisco R-PVST is *per-vlan* and juniper, foundry, extreme do the same. FTOS and Cisco PVST work fine FTOS PVST and Cisco

Re: [c-nsp] MST Experiences: was Re: Dell switches (specifically PowerConnect 7048P) and Ciscos

2012-11-28 Thread Bernie
Randy is correct about FTOS and convergence. The implication of per vlan topology convergence is an engineering matter which has yet to bubble up to management here as a concern worth addressing. It's clearly highly relevant in some environments, but Dell is gaining market share with the STP

Re: [c-nsp] MST Experiences: was Re: Dell switches (specifically PowerConnect 7048P) and Ciscos

2012-11-28 Thread Blake Dunlap
There are a variety of reasons I won't touch or recommend the Dell switch gear. Some of which include lack of rpvst, horrible management interface when trying to troubleshoot (try finding mac address tables, etc), poor documentation (or even deliberate misinformation) of important specs like

[c-nsp] Level 3 issues

2012-11-28 Thread harbor235
Can anyone shed some light on the Level 3 issues ? I see the Level3 NTT interchange is experiencing issues, anyone else having problems? Miek ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp

Re: [c-nsp] MST Experiences: was Re: Dell switches (specifically PowerConnect 7048P) and Ciscos

2012-11-28 Thread Jeff Kell
On 11/28/2012 5:38 PM, Bernie wrote: It's clearly highly relevant in some environments, but Dell is gaining market share with the STP functioning as-is. While I can bring discussions like this to management attention, the system is set up to listen to the people making sales decisions at

Re: [c-nsp] Level 3 issues

2012-11-28 Thread Scott Granados
You know, this is probably a question that could be directed to nanog.. I haven't noticed anything here but I have them in a more secondary capacity. Thanks Scott On Nov 28, 2012, at 7:23 PM, harbor235 harbor...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone shed some light on the Level 3 issues ? I see the