Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Rick Rohwer via CnC-List
Hi Jeremy, The water (coolant) inside the freshwater cooled engine is controlled by the thermostat. Coolant is approx 50% glycol to reduce the freeze point of the coolant (-25F or more). When the engine hits the set temp (190F), the thermostat opens and allows coolant cooled by the heat exc

Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List
Yep, the mighty Yanmar 2qm20 is raw water cooled and the 1978 original. My understanding is that the thermostat opens to route salt water through the block when warm enough. Thanks, Jeremy Dec 13, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Rick Brass wrote: Jeremy; Someone has probably pointed out in a later post th

Re: Stus-List C&C 35 MkII original location of batteries

2016-12-13 Thread Lee Youngblood via CnC-List
Hi John, I don’t know where they were originally! Likely there were only two 12volts back in the day maybe one in the hanging locker, and the other on the shelf in the engine compartment? I have 2) 6Volt Trogans under the sink, 2 more under the quarter-berth, and one nice Dyno (group 31) un

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Russ & Melody via CnC-List
Hi Jeremy, I don't do any specific winterizing on the water sytems. I'm just across the pond from you in the area I call Pacific South West (Canada)... I would call Alaska the real PNW. But then again marketing is not something anywhere near my realm of expertise. However, keeping a boat in

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Rick Brass via CnC-List
Thanks for making that comment. Having lived in Portland for a while, my impression is that the winters in Portland and Seattle are about like it is here in North Carolina. And I thought Vancouver could not be significantly worse. Winterizing for the Northeast US and most of Canada is a whole di

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Rick Brass via CnC-List
Jeremy; Someone has probably pointed out in a later post that – unless you have an older RAW WATER cooled engine – the water that passes through your sea strainer never sees the inside of your engine block. If you have a fresh water cooled engine (most Yanmars have an F in the model numb

Re: Stus-List C&C 35 MkII original location of batteries

2016-12-13 Thread Gary Russell via CnC-List
Expresso had a start and house battery under the quarter berth when I got her. They were not in battery boxes and when I added battery boxes they didn't fit well. I left the start battery there and built two large battery enclosures on either side of the prop shaft for 4 large house batteries. T

Re: Stus-List C&C 35 MkII original location of batteries

2016-12-13 Thread Bill Hoyne via CnC-List
Hi John, I put 4 6v Trojans under the aft part of the dinette seat. It just fits. Works like a charm. The PO put some batteries in the quarter birth and they rotted out the bottom of the locker. What a mess! The starter battery is located in the stbd lazerette for now. Bill Hoyne Mithrandir ’7

Stus-List C&C 35 MkII original location of batteries

2016-12-13 Thread John Rand via CnC-List
I have a C&C 35 MkII, and can't figure out where the batteries were originally. Mine now has batteries under the quarter birth, and they don't really fit there (currently no battery boxes, straps, etc). So where should they go? Thanks, John ___ This li

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread William Walker via CnC-List
don't forget foot pump at the galley sink if you have one.. winterizing the pressure water system won't get to it. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List wrote: Here in the Pacific NW (Vancouver) we're getting freezing weather now, which rarely happ

Re: Stus-List buying clear vinyl for broken dodger window

2016-12-13 Thread G Collins via CnC-List
In Canada you can try these guys, not sure of window prices - haven't needed that yet. http://www.outdoorfabricscanada.com/ Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 On 2016-12-13 3:05 PM, Tim Sippel via CnC-List wrote: Sailrite is a great source, however if you are in Canada , the shipping is

Stus-List Freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List
Thanks to all for the feedback on freeze proofing. Patrick - I also run a heater and an Ecoseb desiccant dehumidifier (which is awesome!). Last year I didn't do anything with antifreeze, just the heaters, and everything was alright. This year the freeze is a lot colder though. I do worry about

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread randy via CnC-List
+1 Essentially my program, so far has been fine, (knock on wood) here on the east side of the Cascades in the Columbia Gorge. Water the boat sits in acts as a big heat sink. Air temps in the twenties (F) are common for days, the marina ice has frozen over a couple of years enough to walk

Stus-List Freeze Proofing

2016-12-13 Thread colin binkley via CnC-List
Perhaps I missed a part, but is there like a Bowman heat exchanger involved? Does the engine carry its own coolant. If so it is imperative to check coolant quantity and degree protection. IMHO Colin S/V Lindsey Layne 71 C&C 40C #3 On the hard Western Lake Erie Sent from my iPhone __

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List
That little plug was plastic in my case, was thinking I'd replace it with a stainless one in spring. Maybe a ball valve I will make sure to flush the tanks well in spring, and thanks for the heads up. Brad "Pulse" 1985 33 MkII Lake Huron Anything worth doing requires sails!~~~_/

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
Jeremy, You never get that cold in Vancouver. We hit regularly –25 C - -30 C, at least for part of the winter. But I would not sleep at night if I used only 5 l of AF in the engine. Purists take a sample out of the exhaust and check it with refractometer. I did it once and I know that after a f

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
If I may, two comments: - be careful about that plug in the muffler. I heard that they don’t seal well once removed - be careful with pink AF in the water heater. Supposedly it gels once heated. So make sure that you drain it all before you run the engine. Marek From: Bradley Lumgair via CnC-

Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List
This year I found a plug in the bottom front of the muffler, drained that and the strainer before I pumped antifreeze (Rv) through, thought was that the antifreeze would be less diluted and it would require less fluid. It took one and a half jugs to get pink stuff in the pail out back. I use the

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
My marina requires you to either have an ice-eater or rent one for $200 from them. My $500+ dollar ice-eater finally died after many years, so I am trying a new strategy - pond pumps. I got 2 of them, 1000 GPH each, off Amazon for $120 total. I am going to hang one under the bow and one under th

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Patrick Davin via CnC-List
I take a different strategy here in Seattle - no winterizing, just a marine electric heater on power=2, temp = lowest (anti freeze setting). Plus visiting the boat 1-2 times per week, which I'm doing anyway for winter projects. And sailing about 1x/month. Vancouver is a little colder, but it's the

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
When I had a RWC engine I ran the exhaust into the bucket and circulated the same antifreeze around and around until it got nice and hot. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 14:21 To: cnc-list@c

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List
We poured it into the sea strainer with the engine running and pumping it through the system. Poured about 5L in until it came out the exhaust (I think). I do have concern though if the thermostat was routing it into the block. I did warm up the engine first for ~20min under load with hopes that

Re: Stus-List buying clear vinyl for broken dodger window

2016-12-13 Thread Tim Sippel via CnC-List
Sailrite is a great source, however if you are in Canada , the shipping is crazy expensive compared to value of material (otherwise Sailrite would have tons more of my money I tell ya !) Tim Sippel From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List Sen

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sounds like what I do to winterize around here… btw, the temp is all the way up to +7F right now… :^( Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > On Dec 13, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List > wrote: > > Here in the Pacific

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
I think you got it. The only additional thought is that if you can use regular antifreeze in any of the the listed applications (obviously not in the potable water system) without harming the environment, it is reportedly better for your pumps to do so. Sounds like you’re still in the water, s

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Adding AF to the sea strainer is not going to winterize the block or muffler. As Marek suggested, you need several bottles. Stay warm! Joel On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Jeremy, > > we do winterising every fall > > - run AF th

Re: Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
Jeremy, we do winterising every fall - run AF through the engine. There are many options, I use a bucket in the cockpit and a long hose that I attach to the fresh water hose taken off the cooling water seacock (after the seacock is closed). You will probably need about 15 l (3 jugs) as a m

Stus-List freeze proofing

2016-12-13 Thread Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List
Here in the Pacific NW (Vancouver) we're getting freezing weather now, which rarely happens. Many people keep a small ceramic heater running in their boats, but what if the shore power goes out? Here is what I did last week to prep: 1. Run 2QM20 raw water cooled engine under load for 20min to wa

Re: Stus-List buying clear vinyl for broken dodger window

2016-12-13 Thread ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List
Sailrite has many types and gauges http://www.sailrite.com/search?keywords=windows Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Tim Sippel via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I bought 30 gauge Vinyl from a local sail maker , depends where yo

Re: Stus-List buying clear vinyl for broken dodger window

2016-12-13 Thread Tim Sippel via CnC-List
I bought 30 gauge Vinyl from a local sail maker , depends where you live I guess . its expensive stuff but if you can get by with 36” x 54” its out there Don’t forget to sew glass behind old glass and seem rip the old one outta there . If up north is Ontario near barrie… tj outdoor fabrics Ti

Stus-List buying clear vinyl for broken dodger window

2016-12-13 Thread Nate Flesness via CnC-List
Winterizing mistake - accidentally bent a dodger side window too far on a cool day and heard a nasty "snap" sound, now need to replace one dodger window. Other windows are fine and look pretty new. Will measure thickness, and assume strataglass? How do you tell type/brand? And, browsing sources, lo

Re: Stus-List Prop won't come off

2016-12-13 Thread Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
We pulled the Martec on Persistence last month. Initially it would not budge. Then my go to guy Peter came by with a puller and a lot of experience. The first thing he said to do was to loosen the nut and back it off. I believe approx. ¼ inch. This will prevent prop from falling off. Then w

Stus-List Prop won't come off

2016-12-13 Thread robert via CnC-List
A word of caution when pulling a prop...be careful when it comes free that it doesn't simply drop to a surface (asphalt, rocks,etc) that will damage/dent a blade on the prop. Did that with mine the last time it was taken off.when the prop puller finally did its job, the prop flew off a