Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I've had it one season,  you can take the tank off and just like your grill you 
get a small amount of propane escaping.  It does take engine oil so you can't 
lay it on one side.  The throttle arm/tiller bolt comes loose every so often 
but intend on adding some lock tight.  I imagine keeping in a locker would be 
fine.  I keep mine on that real when on the boat and take it home when not in 
use.  It's real easy to carry around.  And not having to deal with gas and 
premix is really nice.  Any time I ran out of gas with the last engine,  I 
smelled of gas the rest of the day,  I hate that! 


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 Original message From: Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List 
 Date: 3/1/17  5:26 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bob McLaughlin  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase 
Thanks Danny.  I've not really looked at motors yet but have seen the 
information on the Lehr propane models and was intrigued by their light weight, 
no need for gas/oil etc.  Can you share any more details on your experience 
with it?  How long have you had it?  Can you pull off the propane tank when its 
half empty and does that then allow you to stow it in a locker below or does it 
still have propane in the engine somewhere, lurking to escape into your bilge?
Bob
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  

  
  
Some years ago, I purchased a used. west marine, zodiac roll up
  at a yard sale and had an old 2hp kicker on it.  I used in the
  area you are moving to.  More specifically, on the wesport river
  where there was nearly always a 3 to 4 knot current (except slack
  tide).  It did the job for us.  Not nearly as effortlessly as a
  RIB but, it worked.  When I sold that boat the buyer offered to
  buy the roll up and I sold it.  So, As I was searching for the new
  boat I went into Ocean state job lot, A local chain, liquidation
  type place, where I had noticed they had sold some off brand PVC
  inflatable boats.  One 8'6 rollup and a 9'6 inflatable V hull,
  plywood floor.  I read and researched and researched and could
  find very little negative and a few positive write ups.  I opted
  for the latter and thought I should return it...  Well a waited
  too long for the return widow and kept it.  


After buying the new boat and launching, I finally unpacked,
  assembled and inflated the inflatable boat.  I couldn't be
  happier.  The boat held air all season and seemed comparable to
  any other boat on the dinghy dock.  I did end up buying a 2.5hp
  Lehr Propane powered OB for the back of it.  I love the propane
  option.  I use the same bottle for the grill and they can be
  changed out in less than a minute.  You motor till it dies,
  unscrew the expended bottle and screw in the new.  1 or 2 pulls
  and your off again.  It only weighs 35 lbs so putting it on the
  rail is pretty easy.
The roll up was hard to control through the water due the the flat,
soft bottom, the inflatable keel handles much better.  2.5 HP is
enough for us for now and the boat can take up to 8hp I think.  



The boat is called a Bestway Caspian Hydoforce Pro 110 and I paid
$450 for it.  The smaller one was $369 i believe.  I'm sure I'll get
at least a few more years out of it.  It was tied to the dingy dock
most of the summer and it still looks brand new.  The boat only
weighs about 65lbs.  So, I can pull up on deck without too much
effort and a spare halyard makes that even easier!



I'd love a RIB with a 10hp but, I don't have davits and the engine
is probably 100lbs.  So, the boat, davits an engine hoist...  your
looking at 7 - 10K all in.  I spent 450 for the boat and 950 for the
engine on sale at west marine.  I also had a bunch of WM gift cards
from family members that saved me another 300 so my out of pocket
was like under $1100 for the tender and motor!



Oh, and the boat came with big tubes, a pump, oars, and the nice
fill caps.  Again, I'm quite happy with the purchase.  I'm willing
to bet the boat was made in the same factory as some of the big name
boats.



Danny





On 3/1/2017 3:24 PM, Bob McLaughlin via
  CnC-List wrote:



  Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake
where I had no need for a tender to now sailing on Narragansett
Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, Vineyard and Nantucket Sounds,
etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to serve as a tender in
harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many times on
charters but never really paid much attention to detail.  



I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people
  that is easy to set up and 

Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Go to Defender Industries warehouse sale at the end of March.  They have every 
model available at very competitive pricing.

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> On Mar 1, 2017, at 2:24 PM, Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a tender 
> to now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, Vineyard and 
> Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to serve as a tender 
> in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many times on charters 
> but never really paid much attention to detail.  
> 
> I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is easy to 
> set up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early in my 
> thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4 person 
> capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor, with 
> perhaps a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of the 
> same design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic 
> transportation.  No davits, it will either be towed or stowed.
> 
> I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share your 
> thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors 
> should I be considering as I make my selection?
> 
> Regards,
> Bob McLaughlin
> C 110 "Blue Devil" 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Bob,
I used to have a 35-3, and had some "davits lite", whereby the side tube of the 
dinghy rested on some curved brackets that were attached by u-bolts to the 
stern rails.  We had a 9' WM wood floor / inflatable keel on them.  I no longer 
have the boat, but do have the brackets,  if they are any use to you rather 
than the beckoning dumpster (we are nearby in Newport).
Limitations; you need to remove the engine (the dinghy is stored on its side), 
and we never used them when sailing (the tubes ends could hit the water when 
heeled), but much easier end-of-day out-of-water storage than hoisting on deck 
or deflating.
I will also have a 10' Novurania RIB and trailer for sale in September, but I 
don't think that will fit...
Tim




On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:26 PM -0500, "Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List" 
 wrote:










Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a tender to 
now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, Vineyard and 
Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to serve as a tender 
in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many times on charters but 
never really paid much attention to detail.  
I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is easy to set 
up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early in my 
thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4 person 
capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor, with perhaps 
a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of the same 
design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic transportation.  No 
davits, it will either be towed or stowed.
I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share your 
thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors should 
I be considering as I make my selection?
Regards,Bob McLaughlinC 110 "Blue Devil" 








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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Bob,

 

I have a Lehr 2.5 HP on a West Marine 10’-4” with inflatable bottom.  The 
combination won’t set a speed record but works fine for me.  The light weight 
(~37 lbs.) makes it easy to lift off the dinghy for storing on the stern rail.  
I tow the dinghy.  If you purchase the boat and motor together and don’t pay 
sales tax at time of purchase, there is no sales tax due to RI when you 
register it.   

 

The cylinder should be removed when not in use but I never had a problem 
leaving it on for short periods.  I do pull it off when stored on the stern 
rail or at the dinghy dock in Bristol.  The partially full cylinder can be put 
in your propane locker.  

 

There is no way to easily measure propane level.  I found that just before 
running out, the engine starts slowing down while at full throttle.  Usually, 
I’ll throttle back, make sure I’m in a safe location and let the cylinder 
empty.  The cylinders are interchangeable with my Magma grille.  I bought an 
adaptor so the cylinder can be used with as a backup for the galley range.

 

The engine starts and runs fine.  The paint job leaves something to be desired. 
 There are spots on the skeg  and propeller where the paint has blistered.  
Overall, I’m glad I bought the Lehr and would do it again.  No gasoline and 
winterizing the carburetor involves removing the cylinder.

 

Ron

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bob 
McLaughlin via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 5:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bob McLaughlin
Subject: Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

 

Thanks Danny.  I've not really looked at motors yet but have seen the 
information on the Lehr propane models and was intrigued by their light weight, 
no need for gas/oil etc.  Can you share any more details on your experience 
with it?  How long have you had it?  Can you pull off the propane tank when its 
half empty and does that then allow you to stow it in a locker below or does it 
still have propane in the engine somewhere, lurking to escape into your bilge?

 

Bob

 

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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Doug Welch via CnC-List]

I have a West Marine RU 260 Inflatable Sport Dinghy and a Nissan 2.5 hp 
outboard. They are both light and easily lifted onto the boat deck and outboard 
mount. The dinghy fits fine on the deck of my 33-2. We cruise on Lake Ontario 
and generally only use it for short trips in harbor or at anchor, so it suits 
us well. I don't think it would work well for longer trips or bigger water for 
the following reasons.
1. The pontoon is a little on the small side. When waves pick up, we get a 
little wet2. The slatted floor means the boat won't plane.3. The slatted floor 
can be a little fatiguing on your knees (you feel every wave)
Hope this helpsDougCeltic Knot85 33-2 c/b

 

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:26 PM, Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a tender to 
now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, Vineyard and 
Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to serve as a tender 
in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many times on charters but 
never really paid much attention to detail.  
I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is easy to set 
up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early in my 
thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4 person 
capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor, with perhaps 
a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of the same 
design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic transportation.  No 
davits, it will either be towed or stowed.
I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share your 
thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors should 
I be considering as I make my selection?
Regards,Bob McLaughlinC 110 "Blue Devil" 



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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yep.  I did 3 coats Cetol then 2 coats gloss the first time.  Lasted 4-5
years.  This last time I did 5 coats Cetol followed by 3 coats gloss.  I
think I'm 7 or 8 years out and going strong.  I do a maintenance coat of
gloss spring and fall.

Still get compliments on the brightwork.

Dennis C.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:48 PM, RANDY via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Because Dennis said so, in his post yesterday :)
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> --
> *From: *"Patrick Davin via CnC-List" 
> *To: *"cnc-list" , "andy stafford" <
> andy.staff...@comcast.net>
> *Cc: *"Patrick Davin" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:17:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?
>
> Just curious, why would you want to do 5 coats of Cetol followed by 3
> coats of Cetol Gloss?
>
> The instructions on the can recommend 3 coats followed by 1 gloss, or 2
> gloss if 1 gloss isn't satisfactory. But 8 coats is something I've only
> ever heard of for varnish, and the lower # of coats required with Cetol is
> one of its primary advantages.
>
> 4 coats on handrails last year took me quite a while, so I can't imagine
> wanting to do 8!
>
> -Patrick
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:54 PM,  wrote:
>
>> From: RANDY 
>> To: cnc-list 
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:53:08 + (UTC)
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?
>> Thank you all for the responses and recommendations.
>>
>> For better or worse I've decided to go with Sikkens Cetol Natural Teak
>> followed by Sikkens Cetol Gloss; probably five coats of the former and
>> three coats of the latter initially.  Factors in my decision included
>> recommendations from this list, expected look, reported durability, price
>> (my second choice, Awlwood MA, is a comparatively expensive system),
>> and effort to use properly.  This season I will also clean up other
>> exterior teak besides the new handrails, and treat it with the same Cetol
>> treatment after cleaning.
>>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[ahycrace--- via CnC-List]

Hypalon WILL last much longer that's why I went with an achilles. Be carefull 
to stay away from cheap boats made in China big problems.  I have an 8hp nisson 
that I take off with a removeable crane. I think its called a little boy crane 
when you are done with it it can be removed in about 2 min. and stored below. 
We tow the dink with no motor on it even in some rough stuff no problems. 
Nantucket ,Boston ,the Vinyard, Block Is. etc.

  Gary  
"Liberty"
 "Della Barba wrote: 
> Hypalon will last much longer in the sun, but some of the imported PVC boats 
> are cheap enough you could go through 2 or 3 and still come out ahead.
> BTW – I would NEVER have my 75 pound 15 HP outboard if I intended it to come 
> off the dinghy more than once a year. That is something you need to contend 
> with when using a pure inflatable, you really won’t want to tow it far with 
> the engine on it.
> 
> Joe
> Coquina
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 17:37
> To: CnClist 
> Cc: Dennis C. 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase
> 
> Two words:  Hypalon and thermoweld.
> 
> I had a glued inflatable years ago.  It essentially fell apart.  Most today 
> are thermowelded but do the research.  Hypalon seems to get better reviews.
> 
> I have a 9'6" Achilles.  It works well.  Not too hard to inflate/assemble.  
> We store it on the foredeck or tow it when we're actively cruising.  Not hard 
> to lift with a halyard and cabin top winch.  Downside is it covers the solar 
> vent.  :(
> 
> I have a 1980's vintage Evinrude 7.5.  It's overkill and heavy.  Lift it 
> on/off the dinghy with a halyard.  Not too hard if you know what you're 
> doing.  If I had extra $$, I'd sell the 7.5 and buy a small Tohatsu 2.5 or 3 
> hp.  Past few years, the 7.5 has stayed home and we just rowed.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
> Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a tender 
> to now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, Vineyard and 
> Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to serve as a tender 
> in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many times on charters 
> but never really paid much attention to detail.
> 
> I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is easy to 
> set up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early in my 
> thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4 person 
> capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor, with 
> perhaps a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of the 
> same design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic 
> transportation.  No davits, it will either be towed or stowed.
> 
> I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share your 
> thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors 
> should I be considering as I make my selection?
> 
> Regards,
> Bob McLaughlin
> C 110 "Blue Devil"
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List]

Hi Joe.  Very interesting, I've not heard of or seen inflatables from
Azzurro Mare.  Very good price point from the "usual suspects" pricing.
Have you any first hand experience with them?  I was looking at Hypalon as
it seems to make a lighter boat, plus I read somewhere that the PVC was
prone to issues with gasoline- especially not good with the air floor where
any spill can get under the floor, hard to be noticed/cleaned up.  I do
like the idea of the lighter weight of the old 2 cycle engines.  The trick
there is finding a used one that's reliable.

Bob

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I love my Avon 340 RIB and 15 HP engine. That will not due for you if it
> needs to fit in your car though unless you buy a trailer.
>
> I have always thought if I headed offshore and needed to be able to
> deflate a dinghy, I would go here:
>
> http://www.boatstogo.com/inflatable-boats.asp
>
>
>
> I like this one:
>
> http://www.boatstogo.com/inflatable-boat-am365.asp
>
>
>
> IMHO you need to make a choice with your engine: You are going to be a
> planning boat or not. If you don’t care about speed, look on Craigslist and
> a 2-3 hp old 2-stroke. You can pick them up with one finger, they are easy
> to store onboard or in your car, and don’t leak oil all over the place if
> placed at the wrong angle.
>
> Joe
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bob
> McLaughlin via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 17:16
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Bob McLaughlin 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase
>
>
>
> Hi Andy.  Thank you.  One problem for me is storage of the boat when not
> in use.  There's a long wait list for both the Bristol YC dinghy dock as
> well as the Town of Bristol, so I'll need to deflate it and take it home or
> store it aboard when its not needed, so I think the boat and motor your
> buddy has won't fit the bill for me.  Maybe a good deal for someone else on
> the list?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> A friend has an almost new 9.5' aluminum inflatable with a 15 hp electric
> start Honda at my place that he's looking to sell. I really like the
> aluminum. He towed it with his Tartan 3500.
> I really like it. I'll be back a week on Monday and be happy to show it to
> you, if you like
>
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> > On Mar 1, 2017, at 16:19, ahycrace--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Achillies 9.6  had one that lasted over 20 yrs bought it used !! Just
> got a new one great boat. Tows very good.
> > nothing but good things to say about it.
> >
> > Gary Kolc
> >  "Liberty"
> >   Apponaug Harbor (East Greenwich Bay)
> >
> >  Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List  wrote:
> >> Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a
> tender
> >> to now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, Vineyard
> and
> >> Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to serve as a
> >> tender in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many times
> on
> >> charters but never really paid much attention to detail.
> >>
> >> I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is
> easy to
> >> set up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early
> in
> >> my thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4
> person
> >> capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor, with
> >> perhaps a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of
> the
> >> same design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic
> >> transportation.  No davits, it will either be towed or stowed.
> >>
> >> I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share
> your
> >> thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors
> >> should I be considering as I make my selection?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Bob McLaughlin
> >> C 110 "Blue Devil"
> >
> >
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Because Dennis said so, in his post yesterday :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Patrick Davin via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list" , "andy stafford" 
 
Cc: "Patrick Davin"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:17:35 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation? 

Just curious, why would you want to do 5 coats of Cetol followed by 3 coats of 
Cetol Gloss? 

The instructions on the can recommend 3 coats followed by 1 gloss, or 2 gloss 
if 1 gloss isn't satisfactory. But 8 coats is something I've only ever heard of 
for varnish, and the lower # of coats required with Cetol is one of its primary 
advantages. 

4 coats on handrails last year took me quite a while, so I can't imagine 
wanting to do 8! 

-Patrick 

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From: RANDY < randy.staff...@comcast.net > 
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:53:08 + (UTC) 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation? 
Thank you all for the responses and recommendations. 

For better or worse I've decided to go with Sikkens Cetol Natural Teak followed 
by Sikkens Cetol Gloss; probably five coats of the former and three coats of 
the latter initially. Factors in my decision included recommendations from this 
list, expected look, reported durability, price (my second choice, Awlwood MA, 
is a comparatively expensive system), and effort to use properly. This season I 
will also clean up other exterior teak besides the new handrails, and treat it 
with the same Cetol treatment after cleaning. 






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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Hypalon will last much longer in the sun, but some of the imported PVC boats 
are cheap enough you could go through 2 or 3 and still come out ahead.
BTW – I would NEVER have my 75 pound 15 HP outboard if I intended it to come 
off the dinghy more than once a year. That is something you need to contend 
with when using a pure inflatable, you really won’t want to tow it far with the 
engine on it.

Joe
Coquina

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 17:37
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

Two words:  Hypalon and thermoweld.

I had a glued inflatable years ago.  It essentially fell apart.  Most today are 
thermowelded but do the research.  Hypalon seems to get better reviews.

I have a 9'6" Achilles.  It works well.  Not too hard to inflate/assemble.  We 
store it on the foredeck or tow it when we're actively cruising.  Not hard to 
lift with a halyard and cabin top winch.  Downside is it covers the solar vent. 
 :(

I have a 1980's vintage Evinrude 7.5.  It's overkill and heavy.  Lift it on/off 
the dinghy with a halyard.  Not too hard if you know what you're doing.  If I 
had extra $$, I'd sell the 7.5 and buy a small Tohatsu 2.5 or 3 hp.  Past few 
years, the 7.5 has stayed home and we just rowed.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a tender to 
now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, Vineyard and 
Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to serve as a tender 
in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many times on charters but 
never really paid much attention to detail.

I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is easy to set 
up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early in my 
thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4 person 
capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor, with perhaps 
a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of the same 
design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic transportation.  No 
davits, it will either be towed or stowed.

I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share your 
thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors should 
I be considering as I make my selection?

Regards,
Bob McLaughlin
C 110 "Blue Devil"



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Re: Stus-List inflatable dinghy purchase

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I have an Avon Redseal that I purchased forty years ago. It's still in
excellent condition.  I made a separate wooden floor for it, and it rolls
up small enough to fit in the trunk of my car.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Two words:  Hypalon and thermoweld.

I had a glued inflatable years ago.  It essentially fell apart.  Most today
are thermowelded but do the research.  Hypalon seems to get better reviews.

I have a 9'6" Achilles.  It works well.  Not too hard to inflate/assemble.
We store it on the foredeck or tow it when we're actively cruising.  Not
hard to lift with a halyard and cabin top winch.  Downside is it covers the
solar vent.  :(

I have a 1980's vintage Evinrude 7.5.  It's overkill and heavy.  Lift it
on/off the dinghy with a halyard.  Not too hard if you know what you're
doing.  If I had extra $$, I'd sell the 7.5 and buy a small Tohatsu 2.5 or
3 hp.  Past few years, the 7.5 has stayed home and we just rowed.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a
> tender to now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay,
> Vineyard and Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to
> serve as a tender in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many
> times on charters but never really paid much attention to detail.
>
> I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is easy
> to set up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early
> in my thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4
> person capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor,
> with perhaps a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of
> the same design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic
> transportation.  No davits, it will either be towed or stowed.
>
> I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share your
> thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors
> should I be considering as I make my selection?
>
> Regards,
> Bob McLaughlin
> C 110 "Blue Devil"
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I love my Avon 340 RIB and 15 HP engine. That will not due for you if it needs 
to fit in your car though unless you buy a trailer.
I have always thought if I headed offshore and needed to be able to deflate a 
dinghy, I would go here:
http://www.boatstogo.com/inflatable-boats.asp

I like this one:
http://www.boatstogo.com/inflatable-boat-am365.asp

IMHO you need to make a choice with your engine: You are going to be a planning 
boat or not. If you don’t care about speed, look on Craigslist and a 2-3 hp old 
2-stroke. You can pick them up with one finger, they are easy to store onboard 
or in your car, and don’t leak oil all over the place if placed at the wrong 
angle.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bob 
McLaughlin via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 17:16
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bob McLaughlin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

Hi Andy.  Thank you.  One problem for me is storage of the boat when not in 
use.  There's a long wait list for both the Bristol YC dinghy dock as well as 
the Town of Bristol, so I'll need to deflate it and take it home or store it 
aboard when its not needed, so I think the boat and motor your buddy has won't 
fit the bill for me.  Maybe a good deal for someone else on the list?

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> wrote:
A friend has an almost new 9.5' aluminum inflatable with a 15 hp electric start 
Honda at my place that he's looking to sell. I really like the aluminum. He 
towed it with his Tartan 3500.
I really like it. I'll be back a week on Monday and be happy to show it to you, 
if you like

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 16:19, ahycrace--- via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
>
> Achillies 9.6  had one that lasted over 20 yrs bought it used !! Just got a 
> new one great boat. Tows very good.
> nothing but good things to say about it.
>
> Gary Kolc
>  "Liberty"
>   Apponaug Harbor (East Greenwich Bay)
>
>  Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
>> Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a tender
>> to now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, Vineyard and
>> Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to serve as a
>> tender in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many times on
>> charters but never really paid much attention to detail.
>>
>> I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is easy to
>> set up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early in
>> my thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4 person
>> capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor, with
>> perhaps a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of the
>> same design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic
>> transportation.  No davits, it will either be towed or stowed.
>>
>> I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share your
>> thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors
>> should I be considering as I make my selection?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bob McLaughlin
>> C 110 "Blue Devil"
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List]

Thanks Danny.  I've not really looked at motors yet but have seen the
information on the Lehr propane models and was intrigued by their light
weight, no need for gas/oil etc.  Can you share any more details on your
experience with it?  How long have you had it?  Can you pull off the
propane tank when its half empty and does that then allow you to stow it in
a locker below or does it still have propane in the engine somewhere,
lurking to escape into your bilge?

Bob

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Some years ago, I purchased a used. west marine, zodiac roll up at a yard
> sale and had an old 2hp kicker on it.  I used in the area you are moving
> to.  More specifically, on the wesport river where there was nearly always
> a 3 to 4 knot current (except slack tide).  It did the job for us.  Not
> nearly as effortlessly as a RIB but, it worked.  When I sold that boat the
> buyer offered to buy the roll up and I sold it.  So, As I was searching for
> the new boat I went into Ocean state job lot, A local chain, liquidation
> type place, where I had noticed they had sold some off brand PVC inflatable
> boats.  One 8'6 rollup and a 9'6 inflatable V hull, plywood floor.  I read
> and researched and researched and could find very little negative and a few
> positive write ups.  I opted for the latter and thought I should return
> it...  Well a waited too long for the return widow and kept it.
>
> After buying the new boat and launching, I finally unpacked, assembled and
> inflated the inflatable boat.  I couldn't be happier.  The boat held air
> all season and seemed comparable to any other boat on the dinghy dock.  I
> did end up buying a 2.5hp Lehr Propane powered OB for the back of it.  I
> love the propane option.  I use the same bottle for the grill and they can
> be changed out in less than a minute.  You motor till it dies, unscrew the
> expended bottle and screw in the new.  1 or 2 pulls and your off again.  It
> only weighs 35 lbs so putting it on the rail is pretty easy.
> The roll up was hard to control through the water due the the flat, soft
> bottom, the inflatable keel handles much better.  2.5 HP is enough for us
> for now and the boat can take up to 8hp I think.
>
> The boat is called a Bestway Caspian Hydoforce Pro 110 and I paid $450 for
> it.  The smaller one was $369 i believe.  I'm sure I'll get at least a few
> more years out of it.  It was tied to the dingy dock most of the summer and
> it still looks brand new.  The boat only weighs about 65lbs.  So, I can
> pull up on deck without too much effort and a spare halyard makes that even
> easier!
>
> I'd love a RIB with a 10hp but, I don't have davits and the engine is
> probably 100lbs.  So, the boat, davits an engine hoist...  your looking at
> 7 - 10K all in.  I spent 450 for the boat and 950 for the engine on sale at
> west marine.  I also had a bunch of WM gift cards from family members that
> saved me another 300 so my out of pocket was like under $1100 for the
> tender and motor!
>
> Oh, and the boat came with big tubes, a pump, oars, and the nice fill
> caps.  Again, I'm quite happy with the purchase.  I'm willing to bet the
> boat was made in the same factory as some of the big name boats.
>
> Danny
>
>
> On 3/1/2017 3:24 PM, Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a
> tender to now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay,
> Vineyard and Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to
> serve as a tender in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many
> times on charters but never really paid much attention to detail.
>
> I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is easy
> to set up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early
> in my thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4
> person capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor,
> with perhaps a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of
> the same design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic
> transportation.  No davits, it will either be towed or stowed.
>
> I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share your
> thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors
> should I be considering as I make my selection?
>
> Regards,
> Bob McLaughlin
> C 110 "Blue Devil"
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

Just curious, why would you want to do 5 coats of Cetol followed by 3 coats
of Cetol Gloss?

The instructions on the can recommend 3 coats followed by 1 gloss, or 2
gloss if 1 gloss isn't satisfactory. But 8 coats is something I've only
ever heard of for varnish, and the lower # of coats required with Cetol is
one of its primary advantages.

4 coats on handrails last year took me quite a while, so I can't imagine
wanting to do 8!

-Patrick

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:54 PM,  wrote:

> From: RANDY 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:53:08 + (UTC)
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?
> Thank you all for the responses and recommendations.
>
> For better or worse I've decided to go with Sikkens Cetol Natural Teak
> followed by Sikkens Cetol Gloss; probably five coats of the former and
> three coats of the latter initially.  Factors in my decision included
> recommendations from this list, expected look, reported durability, price
> (my second choice, Awlwood MA, is a comparatively expensive system),
> and effort to use properly.  This season I will also clean up other
> exterior teak besides the new handrails, and treat it with the same Cetol
> treatment after cleaning.
>
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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List]

Hi Andy.  Thank you.  One problem for me is storage of the boat when not in
use.  There's a long wait list for both the Bristol YC dinghy dock as well
as the Town of Bristol, so I'll need to deflate it and take it home or
store it aboard when its not needed, so I think the boat and motor your
buddy has won't fit the bill for me.  Maybe a good deal for someone else on
the list?

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A friend has an almost new 9.5' aluminum inflatable with a 15 hp electric
> start Honda at my place that he's looking to sell. I really like the
> aluminum. He towed it with his Tartan 3500.
> I really like it. I'll be back a week on Monday and be happy to show it to
> you, if you like
>
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> > On Mar 1, 2017, at 16:19, ahycrace--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Achillies 9.6  had one that lasted over 20 yrs bought it used !! Just
> got a new one great boat. Tows very good.
> > nothing but good things to say about it.
> >
> > Gary Kolc
> >  "Liberty"
> >   Apponaug Harbor (East Greenwich Bay)
> >
> >  Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List  wrote:
> >> Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a
> tender
> >> to now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, Vineyard
> and
> >> Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to serve as a
> >> tender in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many times
> on
> >> charters but never really paid much attention to detail.
> >>
> >> I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is
> easy to
> >> set up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early
> in
> >> my thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4
> person
> >> capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor, with
> >> perhaps a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of
> the
> >> same design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic
> >> transportation.  No davits, it will either be towed or stowed.
> >>
> >> I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share
> your
> >> thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors
> >> should I be considering as I make my selection?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Bob McLaughlin
> >> C 110 "Blue Devil"
> >
> >
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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Every dinghy is a compromise, but IMO an 8' - 6" with inflatable floor and
keel and 2-3.5 hp is the best of all worlds.

You will appreciate the smaller / lighter engine every time you have to put
it on or take if off the boat. We have a 4hp 2-stroke, which is much
lighter than a 4hp 4-stroke, and still I wish it were a bit lighter and
easier to take off/put on. No one will be happy with you if you are moving
around an anchorage faster than a 2 hp can manage anyway. For stowing on
deck or rolling up for a locker you can't beat it.

No one should be towing anything offshore and davits on a pretty C 110
would break my heart. 2 cents of course.

KD

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:20 PM Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Some years ago, I purchased a used. west marine, zodiac roll up at a yard
> sale and had an old 2hp kicker on it.  I used in the area you are moving
> to.  More specifically, on the wesport river where there was nearly always
> a 3 to 4 knot current (except slack tide).  It did the job for us.  Not
> nearly as effortlessly as a RIB but, it worked.  When I sold that boat the
> buyer offered to buy the roll up and I sold it.  So, As I was searching for
> the new boat I went into Ocean state job lot, A local chain, liquidation
> type place, where I had noticed they had sold some off brand PVC inflatable
> boats.  One 8'6 rollup and a 9'6 inflatable V hull, plywood floor.  I read
> and researched and researched and could find very little negative and a few
> positive write ups.  I opted for the latter and thought I should return
> it...  Well a waited too long for the return widow and kept it.
>
> After buying the new boat and launching, I finally unpacked, assembled and
> inflated the inflatable boat.  I couldn't be happier.  The boat held air
> all season and seemed comparable to any other boat on the dinghy dock.  I
> did end up buying a 2.5hp Lehr Propane powered OB for the back of it.  I
> love the propane option.  I use the same bottle for the grill and they can
> be changed out in less than a minute.  You motor till it dies, unscrew the
> expended bottle and screw in the new.  1 or 2 pulls and your off again.  It
> only weighs 35 lbs so putting it on the rail is pretty easy.
> The roll up was hard to control through the water due the the flat, soft
> bottom, the inflatable keel handles much better.  2.5 HP is enough for us
> for now and the boat can take up to 8hp I think.
>
> The boat is called a Bestway Caspian Hydoforce Pro 110 and I paid $450 for
> it.  The smaller one was $369 i believe.  I'm sure I'll get at least a few
> more years out of it.  It was tied to the dingy dock most of the summer and
> it still looks brand new.  The boat only weighs about 65lbs.  So, I can
> pull up on deck without too much effort and a spare halyard makes that even
> easier!
>
> I'd love a RIB with a 10hp but, I don't have davits and the engine is
> probably 100lbs.  So, the boat, davits an engine hoist...  your looking at
> 7 - 10K all in.  I spent 450 for the boat and 950 for the engine on sale at
> west marine.  I also had a bunch of WM gift cards from family members that
> saved me another 300 so my out of pocket was like under $1100 for the
> tender and motor!
>
> Oh, and the boat came with big tubes, a pump, oars, and the nice fill
> caps.  Again, I'm quite happy with the purchase.  I'm willing to bet the
> boat was made in the same factory as some of the big name boats.
>
>
> Danny
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2017 3:24 PM, Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a
> tender to now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay,
> Vineyard and Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to
> serve as a tender in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many
> times on charters but never really paid much attention to detail.
>
> I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is easy
> to set up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early
> in my thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4
> person capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor,
> with perhaps a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of
> the same design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic
> transportation.  No davits, it will either be towed or stowed.
>
> I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share your
> thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors
> should I be considering as I make my selection?
>
> Regards,
> Bob McLaughlin
> C 110 "Blue Devil"
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

A friend has an almost new 9.5' aluminum inflatable with a 15 hp electric start 
Honda at my place that he's looking to sell. I really like the aluminum. He 
towed it with his Tartan 3500. 
I really like it. I'll be back a week on Monday and be happy to show it to you, 
if you like

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 16:19, ahycrace--- via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Achillies 9.6  had one that lasted over 20 yrs bought it used !! Just got a 
> new one great boat. Tows very good.
> nothing but good things to say about it.
> 
> Gary Kolc
>  "Liberty"
>   Apponaug Harbor (East Greenwich Bay)
> 
>  Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List  wrote: 
>> Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a tender
>> to now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, Vineyard and
>> Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to serve as a
>> tender in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many times on
>> charters but never really paid much attention to detail.
>> 
>> I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is easy to
>> set up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early in
>> my thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4 person
>> capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor, with
>> perhaps a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of the
>> same design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic
>> transportation.  No davits, it will either be towed or stowed.
>> 
>> I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share your
>> thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors
>> should I be considering as I make my selection?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Bob McLaughlin
>> C 110 "Blue Devil"
> 
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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Jack Brennan via CnC-List]

If you’re not using davits, you have to factor in how well the inflatable fits 
on your foredeck for inflating/deflating as well as carrying it on short day 
trips. Towing slows you down and gets dicey when the seas pick up.

Jack Brennan
Former C 25
Tierra Verde, Fl.



From: Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 3:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bob McLaughlin
Subject: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a tender to 
now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, Vineyard and 
Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to serve as a tender 
in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many times on charters but 
never really paid much attention to detail.

I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is easy to set 
up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early in my 
thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4 person 
capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor, with perhaps 
a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of the same 
design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic transportation.  No 
davits, it will either be towed or stowed.

I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share your 
thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors should 
I be considering as I make my selection?

Regards,
Bob McLaughlin
C 110 "Blue Devil"






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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Some years ago, I purchased a used. west marine, zodiac roll up at a 
yard sale and had an old 2hp kicker on it.  I used in the area you are 
moving to.  More specifically, on the wesport river where there was 
nearly always a 3 to 4 knot current (except slack tide).  It did the job 
for us.  Not nearly as effortlessly as a RIB but, it worked.  When I 
sold that boat the buyer offered to buy the roll up and I sold it.  So, 
As I was searching for the new boat I went into Ocean state job lot, A 
local chain, liquidation type place, where I had noticed they had sold 
some off brand PVC inflatable boats.  One 8'6 rollup and a 9'6 
inflatable V hull, plywood floor.  I read and researched and researched 
and could find very little negative and a few positive write ups.  I 
opted for the latter and thought I should return it...  Well a waited 
too long for the return widow and kept it.


After buying the new boat and launching, I finally unpacked, assembled 
and inflated the inflatable boat.  I couldn't be happier.  The boat held 
air all season and seemed comparable to any other boat on the dinghy 
dock.  I did end up buying a 2.5hp Lehr Propane powered OB for the back 
of it.  I love the propane option.  I use the same bottle for the grill 
and they can be changed out in less than a minute.  You motor till it 
dies, unscrew the expended bottle and screw in the new.  1 or 2 pulls 
and your off again.  It only weighs 35 lbs so putting it on the rail is 
pretty easy.


The roll up was hard to control through the water due the the flat, soft 
bottom, the inflatable keel handles much better.  2.5 HP is enough for 
us for now and the boat can take up to 8hp I think.


The boat is called a Bestway Caspian Hydoforce Pro 110 and I paid $450 
for it.  The smaller one was $369 i believe.  I'm sure I'll get at least 
a few more years out of it.  It was tied to the dingy dock most of the 
summer and it still looks brand new.  The boat only weighs about 65lbs.  
So, I can pull up on deck without too much effort and a spare halyard 
makes that even easier!


I'd love a RIB with a 10hp but, I don't have davits and the engine is 
probably 100lbs.  So, the boat, davits an engine hoist...  your looking 
at 7 - 10K all in.  I spent 450 for the boat and 950 for the engine on 
sale at west marine.  I also had a bunch of WM gift cards from family 
members that saved me another 300 so my out of pocket was like under 
$1100 for the tender and motor!


Oh, and the boat came with big tubes, a pump, oars, and the nice fill 
caps.  Again, I'm quite happy with the purchase.  I'm willing to bet the 
boat was made in the same factory as some of the big name boats.


Danny


On 3/1/2017 3:24 PM, Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List wrote:
Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a 
tender to now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, 
Vineyard and Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable 
to serve as a tender in harbors without a launch service.  I've used 
them many times on charters but never really paid much attention to 
detail.


I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is 
easy to set up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a 
roll-up.  Early in my thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" 
Achillies LSI-260: 4 person capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 
64 lbs, inflatable floor, with perhaps a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe 
the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of the same design..) I don't think I 
need a boat to plane, just basic transportation.  No davits, it will 
either be towed or stowed.


I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share 
your thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What 
factors should I be considering as I make my selection?


Regards,
Bob McLaughlin
C 110 "Blue Devil"




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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[ahycrace--- via CnC-List]

Achillies 9.6  had one that lasted over 20 yrs bought it used !! Just got a new 
one great boat. Tows very good.
nothing but good things to say about it.

 Gary Kolc
  "Liberty"
   Apponaug Harbor (East Greenwich Bay)

 Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List  wrote: 
> Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a tender
> to now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, Vineyard and
> Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to serve as a
> tender in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many times on
> charters but never really paid much attention to detail.
> 
> I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is easy to
> set up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early in
> my thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4 person
> capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor, with
> perhaps a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of the
> same design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic
> transportation.  No davits, it will either be towed or stowed.
> 
> I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share your
> thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors
> should I be considering as I make my selection?
> 
> Regards,
> Bob McLaughlin
> C 110 "Blue Devil"


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Re: Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Harry Hallgring Jr via CnC-List]

Bob,
I have West Marine 9 foot model with the four panel wood floor. I have a 3.5 hp 
tohatsu outboard. It works well for me in the areas you intend on sailing. It's 
light enough to put up on a dinghy rack by myself at Sail Newport. 

Harry
MIRAGE
Newport, Rhode Island
Sent from my iPhone 8 beta

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 15:24, Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a tender 
> to now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, Vineyard and 
> Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to serve as a tender 
> in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many times on charters 
> but never really paid much attention to detail.  
> 
> I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is easy to 
> set up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early in my 
> thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4 person 
> capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor, with 
> perhaps a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of the 
> same design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic 
> transportation.  No davits, it will either be towed or stowed.
> 
> I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share your 
> thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors 
> should I be considering as I make my selection?
> 
> Regards,
> Bob McLaughlin
> C 110 "Blue Devil" 
> 
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Stus-List Input on inflatable dinghy purchase

[Bob McLaughlin via CnC-List]

Relocating our C 110 from a Midwest lake where I had no need for a tender
to now sailing on Narragansett Bay, LI Sound, Buzzard's Bay, Vineyard and
Nantucket Sounds, etc, I'm in need of a basic inflatable to serve as a
tender in harbors without a launch service.  I've used them many times on
charters but never really paid much attention to detail.

I'm looking for something relatively compact for 2-4 people that is easy to
set up and collapse and stow, so I think that's best a roll-up.  Early in
my thinking, I'm eyeing something like the 8'6" Achillies LSI-260: 4 person
capacity/820lbs, Hypalon, overall weight 64 lbs, inflatable floor, with
perhaps a ~4-5HP outboard. (Or maybe the 9'6" or 10'2" LSI versions of the
same design..) I don't think I need a boat to plane, just basic
transportation.  No davits, it will either be towed or stowed.

I welcome input from those of you with inflatable experience to share your
thoughts on brands, material, features, design, size, etc.  What factors
should I be considering as I make my selection?

Regards,
Bob McLaughlin
C 110 "Blue Devil"
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Thank you all for the responses and recommendations. 

For better or worse I've decided to go with Sikkens Cetol Natural Teak followed 
by Sikkens Cetol Gloss; probably five coats of the former and three coats of 
the latter initially. Factors in my decision included recommendations from this 
list, expected look, reported durability, price (my second choice, Awlwood MA, 
is a comparatively expensive system), and effort to use properly. This season I 
will also clean up other exterior teak besides the new handrails, and treat it 
with the same Cetol treatment after cleaning. 

I did look at the Jamestown Distributors survey results ( 
https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/surveyMap.do?surveyId=102 ) 
and there was a recent positive response from a Sikkens user in my area (an 
arid, high-altitude, UV-intense environment). I also read this West Advisor 
article on wood finishes: https://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Wood-Finishes, 
and read Don Casey's chapter on wood finishes, which is intensive on varnishing 
and makes only passing mention of "synthetic wood finishes" e.g. Cetol. 

The truth is that anything will look better than the old handrails, which were 
doubtless original (45 years old) and not well-maintained and breaking apart. 
The main question is how will the finish on the new handrails look, how long 
will it last, and how much effort will it take including regular maintenance. 

I put some pictures of Grenadine's new handrails at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTc093OExfMGRBX1E (the last two 
pictures in that folder). These were made by Jerrod Milton on my crew who is a 
very skilled woodworker and who has a very complete wood shop in his garage. I 
found an 11'x6"x1" teak plank for $200 at a local specialty wood store, and was 
able to non-destructively remove the old starboard handrail (pictured) to use 
as template. Jerrod ripped the plank in two lengthwise, stacked the two halves 
and pinned them together with small dowels where the cutouts would be, traced 
the pattern onto the stack from the old handrail template, cut two symmetric 
rails from the stacked half-planks at once on a band saw, then routed the edges 
on a router table and sanded the rails with a spindle sander. 

The new handrails will be nice and beefy, and we'll install them after 
finishing with stout screws pulled tight and butyl tape under the bases. 

Thanks again everyone. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

- Original Message -

From: "Joel Aronson via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Joel Aronson"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 7:12:55 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation? 

Jamestown distributors has a varnish survey. Might be worth a look. 

On The Office I used Cetol Natural Teak and was generally happy with it. On 
Atlantis I started with Interlux Schooner Gold, but have switched to Epiphanes. 
I'm using the RapidClear because you can recoat every 5-6 hours without 
sanding. It takes a couple days to harden, but I'm liking it so far. 

Joel 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 



I've done both sickens and epiphanies on two different boats. Other than the 
time between coats, I dont see the the benefit to sickens. It seemed softer and 
less deep a finish than the varnish. As far as upkeep, a couple of coats a year 
on either product seems a wash. I'd go with the varnish myself. Although, I 
didn't do this on the new handrails on my last boat, I think I might coat new 
wood with epoxy first then 7 or 8 coats of epiphanies. I did that on the new 
hatch boards of my last boat and was pleasantly surprised with the results! I 
made them out of some marine plywood I had left over from a project on a 
previous boat and I got a lot of compliments on those hatch boards! Lol 

Danny 

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device 

 Original message  
From: RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
Date: 2/28/17 2:53 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
Cc: RANDY < randy.staff...@comcast.net > 
Subject: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation? 

Listers- 

Grenadine's new exterior handrails are ready for finish and installation. 
Wanted to see if any of you have a preferred varnish for exterior teak. I'm 
looking for a clear varnish with UV protection. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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Re: Stus-List caulk question and West 6-10 to the rescue

[T power via CnC-List]

my apologies for the newbi question, can the West 6-10 be used to fill areas 
where the wet balsa core is scrapped out. I'm rebedding some hardware and 
repairing a few soft spots.

Thanks


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Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 10:08:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List caulk question and West 6-10 to the rescue

Joe,
   I am in the middle of essentially the same project on my 36, but elected 
to replace the original vent with one of the original style, which can be 
closed. The only markings on the original were a stylized "T", and "Made in 
Sweden". An internet search did not reveal the original manufacturer, bit I did 
find a discussion that indicated a Beckson "Vent-O-Mate" would fit. I ordered 
the version with the plastic cover from West Marine and used the original 
stainless cover. The vent was an exact replacement for the original, down to 
the mounting holes. I am hoping that the closure feature will allow less water 
entry from big splashes than is the case with the solar vent on my 27.

The original sealant appeared to be disulphide caulking which was in good 
condition, but the hole liner extension was not water tight, and I intend to 
fill the deck to headliner gap in the same way that you have done, at the other 
listers' suggestions. I don't have the "good" butyl described by others, so I 
have not made a decision on the sealant yet.

Steve Thomas
C 1980
Merritt Island, FL

C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote:
Thanks everyone. The initial epoxy job turned out great. I ran a heater in the 
head since it was only 50 or so on the boat and it set up fine. Any water 
getting in there will have no more access to the core. I next need to get the 
hole positions set and fill them with epoxy. Butyl tape does seem the best way 
to seal this to the deck too.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny 
Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 08:56
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Re: Stus-List caulk question and West 6-10 to the rescue


yes agreed, I can't believe I left that part out!  LOL  thats why it took me so 
much time on the hatches, well that and removing the effing silicone!  I hate 
that stuff!

On 2/28/2017 8:41 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:
Joe

I would suggest overdrilling and filling with thickened epoxy and then 
redrilling.  Whatever you use for sealant is not there to protect your deck as 
much as to keep the cabin dry.  The epoxy is to protect the core.

My $0.02

Mike
Persistence

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Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 5:24 PM
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Cc: Danny Haughey
Subject: Re: Stus-List caulk question and West 6-10 to the rescue


I would suggest butyl and thru-bolting

On 2/27/2017 4:15 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:
may I suggest butyl tape and mounting screws?

Marek

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 14:54
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba
Subject: Stus-List caulk question and West 6-10 to the rescue

Questions - the new vent does not fit into a deck plate, it is designed to
mount directly to the deck. They suggest using silicone caulk. I already
have 4200, would that work? Also I my experience, something with that much
flat surface against the deck is going to be very well glued on by the
caulk. I doubt it will ever come loose unless I run a blade under it, so do
I need to bother with the mounting screws into the deck?

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com

Coquina
C 35 MK I



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Stus-List Exterior teak varnish

[Bmue via CnC-List]

We have used and liked  Epifane, easy to work with (even the husband can manage 
;)  ) seems to last well, not peeling off, seems to fade nicely, which makes 
for easy touch ups.
Cheers,
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Re: Stus-List Tablets for navigation

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I've never used the microwave. I know the clock comes on.​

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> did you ever try to cook them? Might be interesting...
>
> Marek
>
> *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 1, 2017 09:16
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Tablets for navigation
> In a thunderstorm I throw the iPad, handheld VHF and phone in the
> microwave.  Then I forget where I left it.
>
> Joel
>
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did you ever try to cook them? Might be interesting...

Marek

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In a thunderstorm I throw the iPad, handheld VHF and phone in the microwave.  
Then I forget where I left it.

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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

One popular technique in the tropics is to fill and seal the grain using 
epoxy and then painting the wood with Sears Weatherbeater house paint or 
similar, of a "woody color". This holds up for a very long time under 
the unrelenting tropical sun, and since the paint will not have touched 
the wood or penetrated the grain, it can be easily undone if a future 
owner wants the varnished look (and endless labor) back.


Bill Bina


On 3/1/2017 9:20 AM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List wrote:

Randy,
I have been using Cetol for years on the Great Lakes, and so 
applied it last winter to the much neglected teak on my Florida project boat. 
One summer of southern sunshine (and one hurricane) and it needs it another 
coat. I will take a little more care this year and put more on. One thing that 
has not been mentioned is that the original orange Cetol is orange because it 
contains iron oxide as a UV protectant.

Steve Thomas
C 1980
Merritt Island, FL



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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

Randy,
   I have been using Cetol for years on the Great Lakes, and so applied 
it last winter to the much neglected teak on my Florida project boat. One 
summer of southern sunshine (and one hurricane) and it needs it another coat. I 
will take a little more care this year and put more on. One thing that has not 
been mentioned is that the original orange Cetol is orange because it contains 
iron oxide as a UV protectant.  

Steve Thomas
C 1980
Merritt Island, FL

 RANDY via CnC-List  wrote: 
Listers- 

Grenadine's new exterior handrails are ready for finish and installation. 
Wanted to see if any of you have a preferred varnish for exterior teak. I'm 
looking for a clear varnish with UV protection. 

Cheers, 
Randy 


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Re: Stus-List Tablets for navigation

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Andy, we are jealous!
I also have a Ray e7 and an iPad.  I've also installed a small form factor
PC and monitor running OpenCPN.  I have a GPS dongle for it and will
attempt to integrate it into the rest of my instruments.

In a thunderstorm I throw the iPad, handheld VHF and phone in the
microwave.  Then I forget where I left it.

Joel

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> At the moment I am 164.3 miles NNW of Jost van Dyke, 6 days out of Ft
> Lauderdale, FL delivering a boat. Naviguessing with my iPad. I run
> navionics and iNavX on my this one.
> On my own boat I have a new Raymarine e7D that broadcasts wifi and an old
> iPad is my repeater at my nav table. It works a treat.
>
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Feb 28, 2017, at 21:54, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> But the irony is that you are all swearing off tablets just to turn and
> place your faith in other "purpose built" electronic devices.
>
> Professional made chart plotters are subject to electrical failures,
> software errors, user error (vespes wind), and lack of chart updates.
> Compasses can be affected by geo-magnetic anomalies or nearby ferrous
> metals.  Fundamentally, safe navigation requires proper seamanship
> including a vigilant watch and redundant instruments.  Understanding the
> limitations of both is just as critical and that is where tablets get
> risky.  It IS almost too easy to become enamored by their capabilities and
> then overestimate their reliability.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Feb 28, 2017 10:48 AM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I used Nobeltec TZ on my iPad Mini (along with a Bad Elf BluetoothGPS
>> receiver) for the Annapolis to Bermuda Race a few years back; it was nice
>> for its portability.  But even with the Mini in a splash-proof Lifeproof
>> case, I wouldn’t want to rely on it as the primary source for navigation.
>> Stuff happens; batteries get low at the wrong time, things get dropped
>> overboard or stepped on, and so on.  Having a dedicated, purpose-built
>> device connected to the boat and its batteries still seems to me like the
>> best option.  Having backups to that is also a good idea, one that the iPad
>> fills well.
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 7:48 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> “
>> They may be nice for backup” +1 on that.
>>
>> As Bill says, plenty of people swear by them, but I am afraid that there
>> is a lot of tablet (Apple) bigotry in that (I hope I am not starting a
>> Holly War here). Even the cost argument is not really true. A basic GPSMAP
>> 76 (one can have it for about $150) is  probably better.
>>
>> But it all depends what you use it for and what you need it for. On an
>> easy Sunday cruise it would probably work fine (and you would have plenty
>> of interesting information available).
>>
>> Marek
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Jamestown distributors has a varnish survey.  Might be worth a look.

On The Office I used Cetol Natural Teak and was generally happy with it.
On Atlantis I started with Interlux Schooner Gold, but have switched to
Epiphanes.  I'm using the RapidClear because you can recoat every 5-6 hours
without sanding.  It takes a couple days to harden, but I'm liking it so
far.

Joel

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've done both sickens and epiphanies on two different boats.  Other than
> the time between coats, I dont see the the benefit to sickens.  It seemed
> softer and less deep a finish than the varnish.  As far as upkeep, a couple
> of coats a year on either product seems a wash.  I'd  go with the varnish
> myself.  Although,  I didn't do this on the new handrails on my last boat,
>  I think I might coat new wood with epoxy first then 7 or 8 coats of
> epiphanies.  I did that on the new hatch boards of my last boat and was
> pleasantly surprised with the results!  I made them out of some marine
> plywood I had left over from a project on a previous boat and I got a lot
> of compliments on those hatch boards!   Lol
>
> Danny
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>  Original message 
> From: RANDY via CnC-List 
> Date: 2/28/17 2:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: RANDY 
> Subject: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?
>
> Listers-
>
> Grenadine's new exterior handrails are ready for finish and installation.
> Wanted to see if any of you have a preferred varnish for exterior teak.
> I'm looking for a clear varnish with UV protection.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
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Re: Stus-List caulk question and West 6-10 to the rescue

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

Joe,
   I am in the middle of essentially the same project on my 36, but elected 
to replace the original vent with one of the original style, which can be 
closed. The only markings on the original were a stylized "T", and "Made in 
Sweden". An internet search did not reveal the original manufacturer, bit I did 
find a discussion that indicated a Beckson "Vent-O-Mate" would fit. I ordered 
the version with the plastic cover from West Marine and used the original 
stainless cover. The vent was an exact replacement for the original, down to 
the mounting holes. I am hoping that the closure feature will allow less water 
entry from big splashes than is the case with the solar vent on my 27. 

The original sealant appeared to be disulphide caulking which was in good 
condition, but the hole liner extension was not water tight, and I intend to 
fill the deck to headliner gap in the same way that you have done, at the other 
listers' suggestions. I don't have the "good" butyl described by others, so I 
have not made a decision on the sealant yet. 

Steve Thomas
C 1980
Merritt Island, FL

C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON
 
 "Della Barba wrote: 
Thanks everyone. The initial epoxy job turned out great. I ran a heater in the 
head since it was only 50 or so on the boat and it set up fine. Any water 
getting in there will have no more access to the core. I next need to get the 
hole positions set and fill them with epoxy. Butyl tape does seem the best way 
to seal this to the deck too.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny 
Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 08:56
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Re: Stus-List caulk question and West 6-10 to the rescue


yes agreed, I can't believe I left that part out!  LOL  thats why it took me so 
much time on the hatches, well that and removing the effing silicone!  I hate 
that stuff!

On 2/28/2017 8:41 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:
Joe

I would suggest overdrilling and filling with thickened epoxy and then 
redrilling.  Whatever you use for sealant is not there to protect your deck as 
much as to keep the cabin dry.  The epoxy is to protect the core.

My $0.02

Mike
Persistence

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny 
Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 5:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey
Subject: Re: Stus-List caulk question and West 6-10 to the rescue


I would suggest butyl and thru-bolting

On 2/27/2017 4:15 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:
may I suggest butyl tape and mounting screws?

Marek

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 14:54
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba
Subject: Stus-List caulk question and West 6-10 to the rescue

Questions - the new vent does not fit into a deck plate, it is designed to
mount directly to the deck. They suggest using silicone caulk. I already
have 4200, would that work? Also I my experience, something with that much
flat surface against the deck is going to be very well glued on by the
caulk. I doubt it will ever come loose unless I run a blade under it, so do
I need to bother with the mounting screws into the deck?

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com

Coquina
C 35 MK I



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Re: Stus-List Tablets for navigation

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

At the moment I am 164.3 miles NNW of Jost van Dyke, 6 days out of Ft 
Lauderdale, FL delivering a boat. Naviguessing with my iPad. I run navionics 
and iNavX on my this one. 
On my own boat I have a new Raymarine e7D that broadcasts wifi and an old iPad 
is my repeater at my nav table. It works a treat. 

Andy
C 40
Peregrine 

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Feb 28, 2017, at 21:54, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> But the irony is that you are all swearing off tablets just to turn and place 
> your faith in other "purpose built" electronic devices.
> 
> Professional made chart plotters are subject to electrical failures, software 
> errors, user error (vespes wind), and lack of chart updates.  Compasses can 
> be affected by geo-magnetic anomalies or nearby ferrous metals.  
> Fundamentally, safe navigation requires proper seamanship including a 
> vigilant watch and redundant instruments.  Understanding the limitations of 
> both is just as critical and that is where tablets get risky.  It IS almost 
> too easy to become enamored by their capabilities and then overestimate their 
> reliability.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2017 10:48 AM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" 
>>  wrote:
>> I used Nobeltec TZ on my iPad Mini (along with a Bad Elf BluetoothGPS 
>> receiver) for the Annapolis to Bermuda Race a few years back; it was nice 
>> for its portability.  But even with the Mini in a splash-proof Lifeproof 
>> case, I wouldn’t want to rely on it as the primary source for navigation.  
>> Stuff happens; batteries get low at the wrong time, things get dropped 
>> overboard or stepped on, and so on.  Having a dedicated, purpose-built 
>> device connected to the boat and its batteries still seems to me like the 
>> best option.  Having backups to that is also a good idea, one that the iPad 
>> fills well.
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 7:48 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> “ They may be nice for backup” +1 on that.
>>>  
>>> As Bill says, plenty of people swear by them, but I am afraid that there is 
>>> a lot of tablet (Apple) bigotry in that (I hope I am not starting a Holly 
>>> War here). Even the cost argument is not really true. A basic GPSMAP 76 
>>> (one can have it for about $150) is  probably better.
>>>  
>>> But it all depends what you use it for and what you need it for. On an easy 
>>> Sunday cruise it would probably work fine (and you would have plenty of 
>>> interesting information available).
>>>  
>>> Marek
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Tablets for navigation

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

The options available today are numerous but the old Mark 1 Mod 1 eyeball
is still the best navigation device.

In the early 70's the US Navy ship I was on had LORAN.  On one particular
night, as we steamed into Hong Kong, the LORAN was inoperable.  Right after
a watch change, the oncoming officer of the deck saw a lighthouse disappear
behind a point of land.  He didn't think that was correct.  He quickly
consulted the paper chart, referenced several other lights by color and
flash  frequency and came to the conclusion we weren't where we thought we
were.  He ordered an immediate course reversal and summoned the Captain and
the head navigator.

Had we continued on the course we were on, we may have entered Communist
Chinese waters.  Had it not been for an alert officer and his eyeball, I
might have been part of an international incident.

Hail the eyeball and paper charts!

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:48 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Josh — respectfully:
>
> At some point, you have to trust in something.  When offshore, there’s no
> coastal piloting tricks like taking bearings.  If all the electronics die
> and the compass craps out, you’re in trouble.  Having backups to the
> backups in electronics allow you to compare data from different sources
>  and hopefully pick what appears to be the most reliable.  But I still log
> GPS coordinates every hour, when offshore, along with heading and speed;
> then if the electronics go down, you can at least dead-reckon yourself.
> Call it proper seamanship, I suppose.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Feb 28, 2017, at 8:54 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> But the irony is that you are all swearing off tablets just to turn and
> place your faith in other "purpose built" electronic devices.
>
> Professional made chart plotters are subject to electrical failures,
> software errors, user error (vespes wind), and lack of chart updates.
> Compasses can be affected by geo-magnetic anomalies or nearby ferrous
> metals.  Fundamentally, safe navigation requires proper seamanship
> including a vigilant watch and redundant instruments.  Understanding the
> limitations of both is just as critical and that is where tablets get
> risky.  It IS almost too easy to become enamored by their capabilities and
> then overestimate their reliability.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
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