Stus-List Re: Panel rewire

[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

Thanks   it was a bit of a disaster

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From: Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 11:01:06 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Tom Buscaglia 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Panel rewire

Stunning,..I saw that first picture and immediately thought I would quite 
immediately...until I saw your finished panel.

Tom B

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Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com



At 05:45 PM 3/31/2021, you wrote:

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Hello

You may remember a few months ago I asked some questions about rewiring the 
panel. I appreciate the advice at that time.  After approx 50 hours I am mostly 
done, it's not perfect but vastly improved.  I built a harness from the panel 
switches to my converted cutting board (it was almost the right size and cost 
$7.00 as I didn't want to use plywood) distribution system.  All connectors 
were replaced, properly crimped and insulated heat shrink to seal the 
connectors.

 I still have some heat shrink on the main cables (the elec tape is temp while 
testing circuits  tonight )and a bit of tidying/labeling to do.

Here are some before and almost complete pictures.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/nwdix2tprxtwrei/AACZ-0O_x9uw95LgakLVR1xHa

This should be a little easier if I need to trace circuits.

Adam Hayden
C
Pictou NS

Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.


Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
 Thanks - Stu

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: Panel rewire

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Stunning,..I saw that first picture and 
immediately thought I would quite 
immediately...until I saw your finished panel.


Tom B

.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com



At 05:45 PM 3/31/2021, you wrote:

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Hello

You may remember a few months ago I asked some 
questions about rewiring the panel. I appreciate 
the advice at that time.  After approx 50 hours 
I am mostly done, it's not perfect but vastly 
improved.  I built a harness from the panel 
switches to my converted cutting board (it was 
almost the right size and cost $7.00 as I didn't 
want to use plywood) distribution system.  All 
connectors were replaced, properly crimped and 
insulated heat shrink to seal the connectors.


 I still have some heat shrink on the main 
cables (the elec tape is temp while testing 
circuits  tonight )and a bit of tidying/labeling to do.


Here are some before and almost complete pictures.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/nwdix2tprxtwrei/AACZ-0O_x9uw95LgakLVR1xHa

This should be a little easier if I need to trace circuits.

Adam Hayden
C
Pictou NS

Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.


Thanks to all of the subscribers that 
contributed to the list to help with the costs 
involved.  If you want to show your support to 
the list - use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu



Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: Panel rewire

[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

looks great. want to come do my panel? haha

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 5:46 PM Adam Hayden via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello
>
> You may remember a few months ago I asked some questions about rewiring
> the panel. I appreciate the advice at that time.  After approx 50 hours I
> am mostly done, it's not perfect but vastly improved.  I built a harness
> from the panel switches to my converted cutting board (it was almost the
> right size and cost $7.00 as I didn't want to use plywood) distribution
> system.  All connectors were replaced, properly crimped and insulated heat
> shrink to seal the connectors.
>
>  I still have some heat shrink on the main cables (the elec tape is temp
> while testing circuits  tonight )and a bit of tidying/labeling to do.
>
> Here are some before and almost complete pictures.
> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/nwdix2tprxtwrei/AACZ-0O_x9uw95LgakLVR1xHa
>
> This should be a little easier if I need to trace circuits.
>
> Adam Hayden
> C
> Pictou NS
>
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu



-- 
Douglas Mountjoy
253-208-1412
Port Orchard YC, WA
Rebecca Leah
C LandFall 39
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Stus-List Re: Panel rewire

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Adam,

Beautiful work, I am envious!  Thanks for sharing.

Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI



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From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 7:45:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Adam Hayden 
Subject: Stus-List Panel rewire

Hello

You may remember a few months ago I asked some questions about rewiring the 
panel. I appreciate the advice at that time.  After approx 50 hours I am mostly 
done, it's not perfect but vastly improved.  I built a harness from the panel 
switches to my converted cutting board (it was almost the right size and cost 
$7.00 as I didn't want to use plywood) distribution system.  All connectors 
were replaced, properly crimped and insulated heat shrink to seal the 
connectors.

 I still have some heat shrink on the main cables (the elec tape is temp while 
testing circuits  tonight )and a bit of tidying/labeling to do.

Here are some before and almost complete pictures.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/nwdix2tprxtwrei/AACZ-0O_x9uw95LgakLVR1xHa

This should be a little easier if I need to trace circuits.

Adam Hayden
C
Pictou NS

Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.


Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Panel rewire

[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

Hello

You may remember a few months ago I asked some questions about rewiring the 
panel. I appreciate the advice at that time.  After approx 50 hours I am mostly 
done, it's not perfect but vastly improved.  I built a harness from the panel 
switches to my converted cutting board (it was almost the right size and cost 
$7.00 as I didn't want to use plywood) distribution system.  All connectors 
were replaced, properly crimped and insulated heat shrink to seal the 
connectors.

 I still have some heat shrink on the main cables (the elec tape is temp while 
testing circuits  tonight )and a bit of tidying/labeling to do.

Here are some before and almost complete pictures.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/nwdix2tprxtwrei/AACZ-0O_x9uw95LgakLVR1xHa

This should be a little easier if I need to trace circuits.

Adam Hayden
C
Pictou NS

Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.


Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Agree, there  are enough emails already with out getting into powerboats

 

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List  
Sent: March-31-21 2:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: jlam...@outlook.com; Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

 

I would suggest that when the topic becomes "best powerboats" it is 
appropriately for another forum; 

 

Richard

s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 

Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 

502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman mailto:jlam...@outlook.com> >
Sent: Wed, Mar 31, 2021 12:14 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

Of course! But maybe it can be agreed that side conversations that might not be 
of broad interest to the community be conducted on the side. All I am saying.

Get Outlook for Android  

 

  _  

From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 11:27:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Danny Haughey mailto:djhaug...@juno.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats 

 

It's a community list of C enthusiasts that sometime have side conversations. 
 I hope Edd stays a part of the community even after he moves to a different 
type of vessel.  

 

Edd, I may be moving to your area, in a few years, if all goes well!  

-- Original Message --
From: "Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: "Jeffrey A. Laman" mailto:jlam...@outlook.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:08:26 +

Thought this was a C sailboat list?

 

Jeff Laman

1981 C Harmony

Ludington, MI

 

 

  _  

From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:04 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Edd Schillay mailto:e...@schillay.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats 

 

Joe, 

 

Thanks. We’ve looked at quite a few boats over the past few months and there 
were several that we didn’t like, whether it’s the style, layout, number of 
levels, engines, etc. I’m not ruling out gas engines, but would prefer diesels 
purely from a maintenance and safety level. 

 

Right now, a Sea Ray 400 Sedan with Caterpillar 3126’s has really caught my 
eye. Also interested in the Carver 36 Mariner, the Regal Commodore 4080 and the 
Meridian 341 (though I have yet to actually get on board one — may be too 
small.)

 

Primarily, we are looking for a 16-knot+ cruiser that we could use for a day 
trip to a gulf-coast island or for a week or two cruising to the Keys or even 
the Bahamas. 

 

I’m well aware that, especially as a life-long C owner, that there will be 
compromises and disappointments, but I’m looking to transition into a 
less-active form of boating where the only winch on board is electric and it 
drops the anchor. 

 

Now that we are here in Florida for good, we can’t wait to explore strange new 
worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations…. And, our Prime Directive will 
not change — Wherever We Go, We Go Boldly — I just want to be at a speed that I 
won’t need to take extra time off. 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Captain of the Starship Enterprise

C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

 





















 

 





 

On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

I would agree with that. The Carver/Regal/Sea Ray lineup probably would not 
meet expectations if you had a C for very long.
I worked on all of them and delivered some back in the day and unless they got 
a LOT better than they used to be, I can't see a C being happy with them.
Also do not be fooled by "diesel". Sailors tend to extrapolate "lasts forever" 
and "sips fuel" to diesel powerboats and neither one of those things 
necessarily apply. Many boosted high output diesels have short lifespans and 
"economical" is in comparison to a pair of big block V8s. I worked on a SeaRay 
55 and I had to run her hard to do some autopilot calibrations. I think I was 
going through 100 gallons an hour! Also the layout and décor seemed ideal for 
bachelor parties - cruising not so much.
Heck - even the slow Grand Banks trawlers use a LOT of fuel compared to any 
sailboat without going much faster.

Joe
Coquina

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:39 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: 40 or 41?

Look at the Sabre Salons.  

Dennis C. 

On Mar 29, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 

Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Edd thought he escaped...

But between me and now Danny...


From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 12:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

Edd,

That was me, Danny, that mentioned the interest down there

Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Edd Schillay mailto:e...@schillay.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 11:36:43 -0400

Jeff,

Buy now - prices are going up, up, up!

Happy to hear. Though still relatively new here, I do have a pretty good "lay 
of the land" and will be happy to answer any questions (off list, of course) - 
and always happy to help out a fellow C'er.

And I'm not planning to go anywhere list-wise.
All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL





On Mar 31, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
It's a community list of C enthusiasts that sometime have side conversations. 
 I hope Edd stays a part of the community even after he moves to a different 
type of vessel.

Edd, I may be moving to your area, in a few years, if all goes well!

-- Original Message --
From: "Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: "Jeffrey A. Laman" mailto:jlam...@outlook.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:08:26 +

Thought this was a C sailboat list?

Jeff Laman
1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI



From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:04 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Edd Schillay mailto:e...@schillay.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

Joe,

Thanks. We've looked at quite a few boats over the past few months and there 
were several that we didn't like, whether it's the style, layout, number of 
levels, engines, etc. I'm not ruling out gas engines, but would prefer diesels 
purely from a maintenance and safety level.

Right now, a Sea Ray 400 Sedan with Caterpillar 3126's has really caught my 
eye. Also interested in the Carver 36 Mariner, the Regal Commodore 4080 and the 
Meridian 341 (though I have yet to actually get on board one - may be too 
small.)

Primarily, we are looking for a 16-knot+ cruiser that we could use for a day 
trip to a gulf-coast island or for a week or two cruising to the Keys or even 
the Bahamas.

I'm well aware that, especially as a life-long C owner, that there will be 
compromises and disappointments, but I'm looking to transition into a 
less-active form of boating where the only winch on board is electric and it 
drops the anchor.

Now that we are here in Florida for good, we can't wait to explore strange new 
worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations And, our Prime Directive 
will not change - Wherever We Go, We Go Boldly - I just want to be at a speed 
that I won't need to take extra time off.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL












On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I would agree with that. The Carver/Regal/Sea Ray lineup probably would not 
meet expectations if you had a C for very long.
I worked on all of them and delivered some back in the day and unless they got 
a LOT better than they used to be, I can't see a C being happy with them.
Also do not be fooled by "diesel". Sailors tend to extrapolate "lasts forever" 
and "sips fuel" to diesel powerboats and neither one of those things 
necessarily apply. Many boosted high output diesels have short lifespans and 
"economical" is in comparison to a pair of big block V8s. I worked on a SeaRay 
55 and I had to run her hard to do some autopilot calibrations. I think I was 
going through 100 gallons an hour! Also the layout and décor seemed ideal for 
bachelor parties - cruising not so much.
Heck - even the slow Grand Banks trawlers use a LOT of fuel compared to any 
sailboat without going much faster.

Joe
Coquina

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:39 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: 40 or 41?

Look at the Sabre Salons.

Dennis C.
On Mar 29, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Danny,

Possibly, but it would have to be a fast trawler. Most likely looking for a 
sedan bridge with diesels.

All the best,

Edd


Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs 

Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 I would suggest that when the topic becomes "best powerboats" it is 
appropriately for another forum; 
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; 
Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman 
Sent: Wed, Mar 31, 2021 12:14 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

Of course! But maybe it can be agreed that side conversations that might not be 
of broad interest to the community be conducted on the side. All I am saying.

Get Outlook for Android
From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 11:27:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats It's a community list of C 
enthusiasts that sometime have side conversations.  I hope Edd stays a part of 
the community even after he moves to a different type of vessel.   Edd, I may 
be moving to your area, in a few years, if all goes well!  

-- Original Message --
From: "Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List" 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: "Jeffrey A. Laman" 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:08:26 +

Thought this was a C sailboat list? Jeff Laman1981 C HarmonyLudington, MI 
 From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:04 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats Joe, Thanks. We’ve looked at quite a 
few boats over the past few months and there were several that we didn’t like, 
whether it’s the style, layout, number of levels, engines, etc. I’m not ruling 
out gas engines, but would prefer diesels purely from a maintenance and safety 
level.  Right now, a Sea Ray 400 Sedan with Caterpillar 3126’s has really 
caught my eye. Also interested in the Carver 36 Mariner, the Regal Commodore 
4080 and the Meridian 341 (though I have yet to actually get on board one — may 
be too small.) Primarily, we are looking for a 16-knot+ cruiser that we could 
use for a day trip to a gulf-coast island or for a week or two cruising to the 
Keys or even the Bahamas.  I’m well aware that, especially as a life-long C 
owner, that there will be compromises and disappointments, but I’m looking to 
transition into a less-active form of boating where the only winch on board is 
electric and it drops the anchor.  Now that we are here in Florida for good, we 
can’t wait to explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new 
civilizations…. And, our Prime Directive will not change — Wherever We Go, We 
Go Boldly — I just want to be at a speed that I won’t need to take extra time 
off. 
All the best, Edd  Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC 37+ | 
Sail No: NCC-1701-BVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL 




  


On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:
I would agree with that. The Carver/Regal/Sea Ray lineup probably would not 
meet expectations if you had a C for very long.
I worked on all of them and delivered some back in the day and unless they got 
a LOT better than they used to be, I can't see a C being happy with them.
Also do not be fooled by "diesel". Sailors tend to extrapolate "lasts forever" 
and "sips fuel" to diesel powerboats and neither one of those things 
necessarily apply. Many boosted high output diesels have short lifespans and 
"economical" is in comparison to a pair of big block V8s. I worked on a SeaRay 
55 and I had to run her hard to do some autopilot calibrations. I think I was 
going through 100 gallons an hour! Also the layout and décor seemed ideal for 
bachelor parties - cruising not so much.
Heck - even the slow Grand Banks trawlers use a LOT of fuel compared to any 
sailboat without going much faster.

Joe
Coquina

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:39 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: 40 or 41?

Look at the Sabre Salons.  

Dennis C. 


On Mar 29, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:

Danny,

Possibly, but it would have to be a fast trawler. Most likely looking for a 
sedan bridge with diesels.

All the best, 

Edd


Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - StuThanks to 
all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs 
involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send 
contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - StuThanks to all of the subscribers 

Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

During the recent Defender sale, I noticed they had a special on tank monitor I 
had not seen before from LIST.  One and three tank systems with outside 
detectors.  I don’t know anything about them personally, but was tempted (and 
resisted- not that hard to monitor by eye for my boat).  Dave

https://www.defender.com/search.html?q=list+tank+monitor=0=0

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

I used a couple of float senders, wired thru a 2 pole switch to a single
level gauge, one pole for each tank sender. The switch is a momentary on
type. The float senders are plastic with a float that slides up and down
the housing. I wish I could remember where I got them. The gauge is just a
2in water level guage.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 8:38 AM Peter McMinn via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the ideas. I used my dinghy foot pump to blow out the vent on
> the port tank, which resulted in increased flow from that tank. I think I
> need to replace the senders in both tanks to get accurate readings on tank
> levels. Neighbor on the dock suggests a Tank Tender. Any suggestions?
>
> Peter McMinn
>
>  _/)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 6:32 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> This sounds likely – My usual fix for fixing the prime in the water pump
>> in the spring was to bring a hose on board and blast water into the tank
>> drain, up to the faucet – this would also blast over to the other tank, and
>> likely blow out whatever crud was in the line. Then vacuum out that tank
>> and clean.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>>
>> Entrada, Erie, PA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Something is preventing the free flow of water from one of the tanks.  It
>> could be;
>>
>>  - a clog in the hose from the tank to the tee,
>>
>>  - maybe a valve, somewhere in that line that is closed,
>>
>>  - it could be the vent is plugged solid, creating a vacuum.  Which does
>> not allow the water to flow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Given that there is very little head pressure to overcome the vacuum, it
>> wouldn't necessarily take too much of a plug on either side to stop the
>> water flow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Danny
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
>> To: "'Stus-List'" 
>> Cc: Rick Brass 
>> Subject: Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?
>> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:37:40 -0400
>>
>> My 38 also has a tank under the port and starboard settees. Each of the
>> tanks has a shutoff valve at the outlet. The two drain hoses meet at a T
>> under the floorboards, and from this T is the line to the pressure pump.
>>
>>
>>
>> Curiously, there is also a shutoff valve on each side of the T. I could
>> see no good purpose for the second shutoff in each supply line (unless it
>> was there to stop all the water from leaking out through a broken line), so
>> I left them in place when I replaced the hoses a while back.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe you have an arrangement like this one?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Brass
>>
>> Washington, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adam Hayden via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 7:14 AM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* petemcm...@gmail.com; Adam Hayden 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Very interesting.  I have the same issue except my port tank drains and
>> the Starboard tank does not.
>>
>> Drives me crazy.
>>
>> Adam c 36
>>
>> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From:* Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 3:55:08 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> *Cc:* petemcm...@gmail.com 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List water tanks interconnected, or not?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a 30gal water tank under both settees. The valves for each are set
>> to open flow. However, the pump seems to draw only from the starboard side.
>> I’d assumed that with both valves open, the tanks would equalize, but the
>> stbd tank empties and the pump goes dry, while the port tank remains full.
>> Can someone venture to what’s going on? I’ve read this 2015 discussion
>> ,
>> but the OP then was interested in disconnecting the two tanks. I’ll do some
>> exploring tomorrow to see what might be preventing the tanks from
>> equalizing. Ideas are welcome.
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu



-- 
Douglas Mountjoy
253-208-1412
Port Orchard YC, WA
Rebecca Leah
C LandFall 39
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I too have the iSeries tank level monitor from TechEdge.  I was even a Beta
tester.  Generally I like it.  The best thing about it is that you don't
have to penetrate the tank in any way.  The second best thing is that it
can be calibrated in 10% capacity increments which allows it to very
accurately report tank level for odd shaped tanks and it does so in 1%
increments.  I have had a problem with one of my tank level indicators and
can only trace it back to the sensor.  I've tried all the recommendations
except replacing.  It will work with resistance sendors like those on some
liquid propane tanks and I do kinda wish it was capable of interfacing with
N2k.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 12:38 Don Marlin via CnC-List 
wrote:

> The iSeries comes with everything to measure tanks including the senders
> and it cost me about $200cdn.
> I already have a lot of electronics aboard (Raymarine, NMEA200, Raspberry
> Pi, Yatch Devices etc.) but could not bring myself to spend $ on networked
> tank monitoring.
> This is a low tech solution that works fine for us.
>
> One reason I liked it was I did not have to cut into any of the tanks.
> This is a capacitive sensor that sticks on the outside.
> Some folks don't like that but it has worked perfectly even on the holding
> tank.
>
> Anyhow, there are many options but all the others I looked at were more
> intrusive and more expensive.
>
> As always YMMV :-)
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:30 PM Martin DeYoung via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Calypso has had the Tank Tender system in place for over 20 years. I
>> monitor the diesel tank and 2 water tanks. Once I learned/charted the
>> correlation between pressure readings and quantity of fluid in each tank it
>> has been very reliable as an indicator.
>>
>> I installed a different type of system in the holding tank that gives
>> “green/yellow/red” light indication of holding tank levels.  That system
>> requires occasional cleaning of the float switches to remain accurate.
>>
>> Martin DeYoung
>> Calypso
>> 1971 C 43
>> Seattle/Port Ludlow
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Thanks for the ideas. I used my dinghy foot pump to blow out the vent on
>> the port tank, which resulted in increased flow from that tank. I think I
>> need to replace the senders in both tanks to get accurate readings on tank
>> levels. Neighbor on the dock suggests a Tank Tender. Any suggestions?
>>
>> Peter McMinn
>>
>>  _/)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 6:32 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This sounds likely – My usual fix for fixing the prime in the water pump
>>> in the spring was to bring a hose on board and blast water into the tank
>>> drain, up to the faucet – this would also blast over to the other tank, and
>>> likely blow out whatever crud was in the line. Then vacuum out that tank
>>> and clean.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Coleman
>>>
>>> Entrada, Erie, PA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Something is preventing the free flow of water from one of the tanks.
>>> It could be;
>>>
>>>  - a clog in the hose from the tank to the tee,
>>>
>>>  - maybe a valve, somewhere in that line that is closed,
>>>
>>>  - it could be the vent is plugged solid, creating a vacuum.  Which does
>>> not allow the water to flow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Given that there is very little head pressure to overcome the vacuum, it
>>> wouldn't necessarily take too much of a plug on either side to stop the
>>> water flow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Danny
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
>>> To: "'Stus-List'" 
>>> Cc: Rick Brass 
>>> Subject: Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?
>>> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:37:40 -0400
>>>
>>> My 38 also has a tank under the port and starboard settees. Each of the
>>> tanks has a shutoff valve at the outlet. The two drain hoses meet at a T
>>> under the floorboards, and from this T is the line to the pressure pump.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Curiously, there is also a shutoff valve on each side of the T. I could
>>> see no good purpose for the second shutoff in each supply line (unless it
>>> was there to stop all the water from leaking out through a broken line), so
>>> I left them in place when I replaced the hoses a while back.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe you have an arrangement like this one?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick Brass
>>>
>>> Washington, NC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Hayden via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 7:14 AM
>>> *To:* Stus-List 
>>> *Cc:* petemcm...@gmail.com; Adam Hayden 
>>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Very interesting.  I have the same issue except my port tank drains and
>>> the Starboard tank does not.
>>>
>>> Drives me crazy.
>>>
>>> Adam c 36
>>>
>>> Sent from my 

Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Danny,

So sorry for the name mixup. Please don’t get offended unless I call you “David 
Risch” 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL











On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Edd,
 
That was me, Danny, that mentioned the interest down there
 
Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 11:36:43 -0400


Jeff,

 
Buy now — prices are going up, up, up! 
 
Happy to hear. Though still relatively new here, I do have a pretty good “lay 
of the land” and will be happy to answer any questions (off list, of course) — 
and always happy to help out a fellow C’er. 
 
And I’m not planning to go anywhere list-wise. 
All the best,
 
Edd
 
 
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
 
 
 
 

On Mar 31, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
It's a community list of C enthusiasts that sometime have side conversations. 
 I hope Edd stays a part of the community even after he moves to a different 
type of vessel.  
 
Edd, I may be moving to your area, in a few years, if all goes well!  

-- Original Message --
From: "Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: "Jeffrey A. Laman" mailto:jlam...@outlook.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:08:26 +

 
Thought this was a C sailboat list?
 
Jeff Laman
1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI
 
 
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:04 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Edd Schillay mailto:e...@schillay.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats
 
Joe,
 
Thanks. We’ve looked at quite a few boats over the past few months and there 
were several that we didn’t like, whether it’s the style, layout, number of 
levels, engines, etc. I’m not ruling out gas engines, but would prefer diesels 
purely from a maintenance and safety level. 
 
Right now, a Sea Ray 400 Sedan with Caterpillar 3126’s has really caught my 
eye. Also interested in the Carver 36 Mariner, the Regal Commodore 4080 and the 
Meridian 341 (though I have yet to actually get on board one — may be too 
small.)
 
Primarily, we are looking for a 16-knot+ cruiser that we could use for a day 
trip to a gulf-coast island or for a week or two cruising to the Keys or even 
the Bahamas. 
 
I’m well aware that, especially as a life-long C owner, that there will be 
compromises and disappointments, but I’m looking to transition into a 
less-active form of boating where the only winch on board is electric and it 
drops the anchor. 
 
Now that we are here in Florida for good, we can’t wait to explore strange new 
worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations…. And, our Prime Directive will 
not change — Wherever We Go, We Go Boldly — I just want to be at a speed that I 
won’t need to take extra time off. 

All the best,
 
Edd
 
 
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 



On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I would agree with that. The Carver/Regal/Sea Ray lineup probably would not 
meet expectations if you had a C for very long.
I worked on all of them and delivered some back in the day and unless they got 
a LOT better than they used to be, I can't see a C being happy with them.
Also do not be fooled by "diesel". Sailors tend to extrapolate "lasts forever" 
and "sips fuel" to diesel powerboats and neither one of those things 
necessarily apply. Many boosted high output diesels have short lifespans and 
"economical" is in comparison to a pair of big block V8s. I worked on a SeaRay 
55 and I had to run her hard to do some autopilot calibrations. I think I was 
going through 100 gallons an hour! Also the layout and décor seemed ideal for 
bachelor parties - cruising not so much.
Heck - even the slow Grand Banks trawlers use a LOT of fuel compared to any 
sailboat without going much faster.

Joe
Coquina

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
] 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:39 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: 40 or 41?

Look at the Sabre Salons.  

Dennis C. 

On Mar 29, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Danny,

Possibly, but it would have to be a fast trawler. Most likely looking for a 
sedan bridge with diesels. 

All the best, 

Edd


Thanks to all of the 

Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[Don Marlin via CnC-List]

The iSeries comes with everything to measure tanks including the senders
and it cost me about $200cdn.
I already have a lot of electronics aboard (Raymarine, NMEA200, Raspberry
Pi, Yatch Devices etc.) but could not bring myself to spend $ on networked
tank monitoring.
This is a low tech solution that works fine for us.

One reason I liked it was I did not have to cut into any of the tanks.
This is a capacitive sensor that sticks on the outside.
Some folks don't like that but it has worked perfectly even on the holding
tank.

Anyhow, there are many options but all the others I looked at were more
intrusive and more expensive.

As always YMMV :-)


On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:30 PM Martin DeYoung via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Calypso has had the Tank Tender system in place for over 20 years. I
> monitor the diesel tank and 2 water tanks. Once I learned/charted the
> correlation between pressure readings and quantity of fluid in each tank it
> has been very reliable as an indicator.
>
> I installed a different type of system in the holding tank that gives
> “green/yellow/red” light indication of holding tank levels.  That system
> requires occasional cleaning of the float switches to remain accurate.
>
> Martin DeYoung
> Calypso
> 1971 C 43
> Seattle/Port Ludlow
>
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks for the ideas. I used my dinghy foot pump to blow out the vent on
> the port tank, which resulted in increased flow from that tank. I think I
> need to replace the senders in both tanks to get accurate readings on tank
> levels. Neighbor on the dock suggests a Tank Tender. Any suggestions?
>
> Peter McMinn
>
>  _/)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 6:32 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> This sounds likely – My usual fix for fixing the prime in the water pump
>> in the spring was to bring a hose on board and blast water into the tank
>> drain, up to the faucet – this would also blast over to the other tank, and
>> likely blow out whatever crud was in the line. Then vacuum out that tank
>> and clean.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>>
>> Entrada, Erie, PA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Something is preventing the free flow of water from one of the tanks.  It
>> could be;
>>
>>  - a clog in the hose from the tank to the tee,
>>
>>  - maybe a valve, somewhere in that line that is closed,
>>
>>  - it could be the vent is plugged solid, creating a vacuum.  Which does
>> not allow the water to flow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Given that there is very little head pressure to overcome the vacuum, it
>> wouldn't necessarily take too much of a plug on either side to stop the
>> water flow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Danny
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
>> To: "'Stus-List'" 
>> Cc: Rick Brass 
>> Subject: Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?
>> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:37:40 -0400
>>
>> My 38 also has a tank under the port and starboard settees. Each of the
>> tanks has a shutoff valve at the outlet. The two drain hoses meet at a T
>> under the floorboards, and from this T is the line to the pressure pump.
>>
>>
>>
>> Curiously, there is also a shutoff valve on each side of the T. I could
>> see no good purpose for the second shutoff in each supply line (unless it
>> was there to stop all the water from leaking out through a broken line), so
>> I left them in place when I replaced the hoses a while back.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe you have an arrangement like this one?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Brass
>>
>> Washington, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adam Hayden via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 7:14 AM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* petemcm...@gmail.com; Adam Hayden 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Very interesting.  I have the same issue except my port tank drains and
>> the Starboard tank does not.
>>
>> Drives me crazy.
>>
>> Adam c 36
>>
>> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From:* Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 3:55:08 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> *Cc:* petemcm...@gmail.com 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List water tanks interconnected, or not?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a 30gal water tank under both settees. The valves for each are set
>> to open flow. However, the pump seems to draw only from the starboard side.
>> I’d assumed that with both valves open, the tanks would equalize, but the
>> stbd tank empties and the pump goes dry, while the port tank remains full.
>> Can someone venture to what’s going on? I’ve read this 2015 discussion
>> 

Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Calypso has had the Tank Tender system in place for over 20 years. I monitor 
the diesel tank and 2 water tanks. Once I learned/charted the correlation 
between pressure readings and quantity of fluid in each tank it has been very 
reliable as an indicator.

I installed a different type of system in the holding tank that gives 
“green/yellow/red” light indication of holding tank levels.  That system 
requires occasional cleaning of the float switches to remain accurate.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle/Port Ludlow

On Mar 31, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List  
wrote:


Thanks for the ideas. I used my dinghy foot pump to blow out the vent on the 
port tank, which resulted in increased flow from that tank. I think I need to 
replace the senders in both tanks to get accurate readings on tank levels. 
Neighbor on the dock suggests a Tank Tender. Any suggestions?

Peter McMinn
 _/)


On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 6:32 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
This sounds likely – My usual fix for fixing the prime in the water pump in the 
spring was to bring a hose on board and blast water into the tank drain, up to 
the faucet – this would also blast over to the other tank, and likely blow out 
whatever crud was in the line. Then vacuum out that tank and clean.

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie, PA




Something is preventing the free flow of water from one of the tanks.  It could 
be;
 - a clog in the hose from the tank to the tee,
 - maybe a valve, somewhere in that line that is closed,
 - it could be the vent is plugged solid, creating a vacuum.  Which does not 
allow the water to flow.

Given that there is very little head pressure to overcome the vacuum, it 
wouldn't necessarily take too much of a plug on either side to stop the water 
flow.

Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: "'Stus-List'" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Rick Brass mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:37:40 -0400
My 38 also has a tank under the port and starboard settees. Each of the tanks 
has a shutoff valve at the outlet. The two drain hoses meet at a T under the 
floorboards, and from this T is the line to the pressure pump.

Curiously, there is also a shutoff valve on each side of the T. I could see no 
good purpose for the second shutoff in each supply line (unless it was there to 
stop all the water from leaking out through a broken line), so I left them in 
place when I replaced the hoses a while back.

Maybe you have an arrangement like this one?

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 7:14 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com; Adam Hayden 
mailto:hayden.a...@hotmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

Peter
Very interesting.  I have the same issue except my port tank drains and the 
Starboard tank does not.
Drives me crazy.
Adam c 36
Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.


From: Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 3:55:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com 
mailto:petemcm...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List water tanks interconnected, or not?


I have a 30gal water tank under both settees. The valves for each are set to 
open flow. However, the pump seems to draw only from the starboard side. I’d 
assumed that with both valves open, the tanks would equalize, but the stbd tank 
empties and the pump goes dry, while the port tank remains full. Can someone 
venture to what’s going on? I’ve read this 2015 
discussion,
 but the OP then was interested in disconnecting the two tanks. I’ll do some 
exploring tomorrow to see what might be preventing the tanks from equalizing. 
Ideas are welcome.

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   

Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Edd, That was me, Danny, that mentioned the interest down there Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 11:36:43 -0400


Jeff,
 Buy now  prices are going up, up, up!  Happy to hear. Though still 
relatively new here, I do have a pretty good lay of the land and 
will be happy to answer any questions (off list, of course)  and always 
happy to help out a fellow Cer.  And Im not planning to go 
anywhere list-wise. All the best, Edd  Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship 
EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
On Mar 31, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:It's a community list of C enthusiasts that 
sometime have side conversations.  I hope Edd stays a part of the community 
even after he moves to a different type of vessel.   Edd, I may be moving to 
your area, in a few years, if all goes well!  -- Original Message 
--From: "Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List" To: 
Stus-List Cc: "Jeffrey A. Laman" 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboatsDate: Wed, 31 
Mar 2021 14:08:26 + Thought this was a C sailboat list? Jeff Laman1981 
C HarmonyLudington, MI  From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:04 AM To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Edd Schillay  Subject: Stus-List 
Re: Now best powerboats Joe, Thanks. Weve looked at quite a few boats 
over the past few months and there were several that we didnt like, 
whether its the style, layout, number of levels, engines, etc. Im 
not ruling out gas engines, but would prefer diesels purely from a maintenance 
and safety level.  Right now, a Sea Ray 400 Sedan with Caterpillar 3126s 
has really caught my eye. Also interested in the Carver 36 Mariner, the Regal 
Commodore 4080 and the Meridian 341 (though I have yet to actually get on board 
one  may be too small.) Primarily, we are looking for a 16-knot+ cruiser 
that we could use for a day trip to a gulf-coast island or for a week or two 
cruising to the Keys or even the Bahamas.  Im well aware that, 
especially as a life-long C owner, that there will be compromises and 
disappointments, but Im looking to transition into a less-active form of 
boating where the only winch on board is electric and it drops the anchor.  Now 
that we are here in Florida for good, we cant wait to explore strange 
new worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations. And, our Prime 
Directive will not change  Wherever We Go, We Go Boldly  I just 
want to be at a speed that I wont need to take extra time off.  All the 
best, Edd  Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: 
NCC-1701-BVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL  On Mar 31, 2021, at 
9:23 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  wrote:I would 
agree with that. The Carver/Regal/Sea Ray lineup probably would not meet 
expectations if you had a C for very long. I worked on all of them and 
delivered some back in the day and unless they got a LOT better than they used 
to be, I can't see a C being happy with them. Also do not be fooled by 
"diesel". Sailors tend to extrapolate "lasts forever" and "sips fuel" to diesel 
powerboats and neither one of those things necessarily apply. Many boosted high 
output diesels have short lifespans and "economical" is in comparison to a pair 
of big block V8s. I worked on a SeaRay 55 and I had to run her hard to do some 
autopilot calibrations. I think I was going through 100 gallons an hour! Also 
the layout and décor seemed ideal for bachelor parties - cruising not so much. 
Heck - even the slow Grand Banks trawlers use a LOT of fuel compared to any 
sailboat without going much faster.  Joe Coquina  -Original Message- 
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]  Sent: Monday, 
March 29, 2021 10:39 PM To: Stus-List  Cc: Dennis C. 
 Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: 40 or 41?  Look at the 
Sabre Salons.Dennis C.  On Mar 29, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Edd Schillay via 
CnC-List  wrote:  Danny,  Possibly, but it would have to 
be a fast trawler. Most likely looking for a sedan bridge with diesels.   All 
the best,   Edd  
Thanks
 to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs 
involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send 
contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu Thanks to all 
of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs 
involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send 
contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - StuThanks to all of 
the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved.  
If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - StuThanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you 

Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[Riley Anderson via CnC-List]

The iSeries seems like a good product but for that price, you might as well
go for a Victron Cerbo GX , it will read 4
resistive tank senders, 4 temperature sensors, 4 digital inputs (bilge
alarms, open hatches, engine data, etc.), can integrate with all CAN bus
systems including chargers, inverters, battery monitors, and it can
communicate with NMEA2000 devices. All data is recorded and uploaded to
your Victron VRM account (free) and can be accessed anywhere in the world
(with WiFi connection). I use mine to monitor all the water tanks and the
holding tank. It has a programmable relay output and I have mine set to
disable the electric head when the holding tank is full so that it can't be
overfilled. The possibilities are endless.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:11 PM Don Marlin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We use this on our 40.
> The 40 has dual 30G water tanks.
> https://tankedge.com/products.html
>
> I also use it on my holding tank.
> All the tanks are the original Poly.
>
> Been installed for 2 years, I like it.
> Works fine and did not break the bank.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 11:38 AM Peter McMinn via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the ideas. I used my dinghy foot pump to blow out the vent on
>> the port tank, which resulted in increased flow from that tank. I think I
>> need to replace the senders in both tanks to get accurate readings on tank
>> levels. Neighbor on the dock suggests a Tank Tender. Any suggestions?
>>
>> Peter McMinn
>>
>>  _/)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 6:32 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This sounds likely – My usual fix for fixing the prime in the water pump
>>> in the spring was to bring a hose on board and blast water into the tank
>>> drain, up to the faucet – this would also blast over to the other tank, and
>>> likely blow out whatever crud was in the line. Then vacuum out that tank
>>> and clean.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Coleman
>>>
>>> Entrada, Erie, PA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Something is preventing the free flow of water from one of the tanks.
>>> It could be;
>>>
>>>  - a clog in the hose from the tank to the tee,
>>>
>>>  - maybe a valve, somewhere in that line that is closed,
>>>
>>>  - it could be the vent is plugged solid, creating a vacuum.  Which does
>>> not allow the water to flow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Given that there is very little head pressure to overcome the vacuum, it
>>> wouldn't necessarily take too much of a plug on either side to stop the
>>> water flow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Danny
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
>>> To: "'Stus-List'" 
>>> Cc: Rick Brass 
>>> Subject: Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?
>>> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:37:40 -0400
>>>
>>> My 38 also has a tank under the port and starboard settees. Each of the
>>> tanks has a shutoff valve at the outlet. The two drain hoses meet at a T
>>> under the floorboards, and from this T is the line to the pressure pump.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Curiously, there is also a shutoff valve on each side of the T. I could
>>> see no good purpose for the second shutoff in each supply line (unless it
>>> was there to stop all the water from leaking out through a broken line), so
>>> I left them in place when I replaced the hoses a while back.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe you have an arrangement like this one?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick Brass
>>>
>>> Washington, NC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Hayden via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 7:14 AM
>>> *To:* Stus-List 
>>> *Cc:* petemcm...@gmail.com; Adam Hayden 
>>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Very interesting.  I have the same issue except my port tank drains and
>>> the Starboard tank does not.
>>>
>>> Drives me crazy.
>>>
>>> Adam c 36
>>>
>>> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From:* Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 3:55:08 AM
>>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>>> *Cc:* petemcm...@gmail.com 
>>> *Subject:* Stus-List water tanks interconnected, or not?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a 30gal water tank under both settees. The valves for each are
>>> set to open flow. However, the pump seems to draw only from the starboard
>>> side. I’d assumed that with both valves open, the tanks would equalize, but
>>> the stbd tank empties and the pump goes dry, while the port tank remains
>>> full. Can someone venture to what’s going on? I’ve read this 2015
>>> discussion
>>> ,
>>> but the OP then was interested in disconnecting the two tanks. I’ll do some
>>> exploring tomorrow to see what might be preventing the tanks from

Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Of course! But maybe it can be agreed that side conversations that might not be 
of broad interest to the community be conducted on the side. All I am saying.

Get Outlook for Android


From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 11:27:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

It's a community list of C enthusiasts that sometime have side conversations. 
 I hope Edd stays a part of the community even after he moves to a different 
type of vessel.

Edd, I may be moving to your area, in a few years, if all goes well!

-- Original Message --
From: "Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List" 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: "Jeffrey A. Laman" 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:08:26 +


Thought this was a C sailboat list?

Jeff Laman
1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI



From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:04 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

Joe,

Thanks. We’ve looked at quite a few boats over the past few months and there 
were several that we didn’t like, whether it’s the style, layout, number of 
levels, engines, etc. I’m not ruling out gas engines, but would prefer diesels 
purely from a maintenance and safety level.

Right now, a Sea Ray 400 Sedan with Caterpillar 3126’s has really caught my 
eye. Also interested in the Carver 36 Mariner, the Regal Commodore 4080 and the 
Meridian 341 (though I have yet to actually get on board one — may be too 
small.)

Primarily, we are looking for a 16-knot+ cruiser that we could use for a day 
trip to a gulf-coast island or for a week or two cruising to the Keys or even 
the Bahamas.

I’m well aware that, especially as a life-long C owner, that there will be 
compromises and disappointments, but I’m looking to transition into a 
less-active form of boating where the only winch on board is electric and it 
drops the anchor.

Now that we are here in Florida for good, we can’t wait to explore strange new 
worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations…. And, our Prime Directive will 
not change — Wherever We Go, We Go Boldly — I just want to be at a speed that I 
won’t need to take extra time off.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL











On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I would agree with that. The Carver/Regal/Sea Ray lineup probably would not 
meet expectations if you had a C for very long.
I worked on all of them and delivered some back in the day and unless they got 
a LOT better than they used to be, I can't see a C being happy with them.
Also do not be fooled by "diesel". Sailors tend to extrapolate "lasts forever" 
and "sips fuel" to diesel powerboats and neither one of those things 
necessarily apply. Many boosted high output diesels have short lifespans and 
"economical" is in comparison to a pair of big block V8s. I worked on a SeaRay 
55 and I had to run her hard to do some autopilot calibrations. I think I was 
going through 100 gallons an hour! Also the layout and décor seemed ideal for 
bachelor parties - cruising not so much.
Heck - even the slow Grand Banks trawlers use a LOT of fuel compared to any 
sailboat without going much faster.

Joe
Coquina

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:39 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: 40 or 41?

Look at the Sabre Salons.

Dennis C.

On Mar 29, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Danny,

Possibly, but it would have to be a fast trawler. Most likely looking for a 
sedan bridge with diesels.

All the best,

Edd


Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
  Thanks - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   

Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[Don Marlin via CnC-List]

We use this on our 40.
The 40 has dual 30G water tanks.
https://tankedge.com/products.html

I also use it on my holding tank.
All the tanks are the original Poly.

Been installed for 2 years, I like it.
Works fine and did not break the bank.


On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 11:38 AM Peter McMinn via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the ideas. I used my dinghy foot pump to blow out the vent on
> the port tank, which resulted in increased flow from that tank. I think I
> need to replace the senders in both tanks to get accurate readings on tank
> levels. Neighbor on the dock suggests a Tank Tender. Any suggestions?
>
> Peter McMinn
>
>  _/)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 6:32 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> This sounds likely – My usual fix for fixing the prime in the water pump
>> in the spring was to bring a hose on board and blast water into the tank
>> drain, up to the faucet – this would also blast over to the other tank, and
>> likely blow out whatever crud was in the line. Then vacuum out that tank
>> and clean.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>>
>> Entrada, Erie, PA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Something is preventing the free flow of water from one of the tanks.  It
>> could be;
>>
>>  - a clog in the hose from the tank to the tee,
>>
>>  - maybe a valve, somewhere in that line that is closed,
>>
>>  - it could be the vent is plugged solid, creating a vacuum.  Which does
>> not allow the water to flow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Given that there is very little head pressure to overcome the vacuum, it
>> wouldn't necessarily take too much of a plug on either side to stop the
>> water flow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Danny
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
>> To: "'Stus-List'" 
>> Cc: Rick Brass 
>> Subject: Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?
>> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:37:40 -0400
>>
>> My 38 also has a tank under the port and starboard settees. Each of the
>> tanks has a shutoff valve at the outlet. The two drain hoses meet at a T
>> under the floorboards, and from this T is the line to the pressure pump.
>>
>>
>>
>> Curiously, there is also a shutoff valve on each side of the T. I could
>> see no good purpose for the second shutoff in each supply line (unless it
>> was there to stop all the water from leaking out through a broken line), so
>> I left them in place when I replaced the hoses a while back.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe you have an arrangement like this one?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Brass
>>
>> Washington, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adam Hayden via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 7:14 AM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* petemcm...@gmail.com; Adam Hayden 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Very interesting.  I have the same issue except my port tank drains and
>> the Starboard tank does not.
>>
>> Drives me crazy.
>>
>> Adam c 36
>>
>> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From:* Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 3:55:08 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> *Cc:* petemcm...@gmail.com 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List water tanks interconnected, or not?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a 30gal water tank under both settees. The valves for each are set
>> to open flow. However, the pump seems to draw only from the starboard side.
>> I’d assumed that with both valves open, the tanks would equalize, but the
>> stbd tank empties and the pump goes dry, while the port tank remains full.
>> Can someone venture to what’s going on? I’ve read this 2015 discussion
>> ,
>> but the OP then was interested in disconnecting the two tanks. I’ll do some
>> exploring tomorrow to see what might be preventing the tanks from
>> equalizing. Ideas are welcome.
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[Peter McMinn via CnC-List]

Thanks for the ideas. I used my dinghy foot pump to blow out the vent on
the port tank, which resulted in increased flow from that tank. I think I
need to replace the senders in both tanks to get accurate readings on tank
levels. Neighbor on the dock suggests a Tank Tender. Any suggestions?

Peter McMinn

 _/)



On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 6:32 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This sounds likely – My usual fix for fixing the prime in the water pump
> in the spring was to bring a hose on board and blast water into the tank
> drain, up to the faucet – this would also blast over to the other tank, and
> likely blow out whatever crud was in the line. Then vacuum out that tank
> and clean.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Something is preventing the free flow of water from one of the tanks.  It
> could be;
>
>  - a clog in the hose from the tank to the tee,
>
>  - maybe a valve, somewhere in that line that is closed,
>
>  - it could be the vent is plugged solid, creating a vacuum.  Which does
> not allow the water to flow.
>
>
>
> Given that there is very little head pressure to overcome the vacuum, it
> wouldn't necessarily take too much of a plug on either side to stop the
> water flow.
>
>
>
> Danny
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
> To: "'Stus-List'" 
> Cc: Rick Brass 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:37:40 -0400
>
> My 38 also has a tank under the port and starboard settees. Each of the
> tanks has a shutoff valve at the outlet. The two drain hoses meet at a T
> under the floorboards, and from this T is the line to the pressure pump.
>
>
>
> Curiously, there is also a shutoff valve on each side of the T. I could
> see no good purpose for the second shutoff in each supply line (unless it
> was there to stop all the water from leaking out through a broken line), so
> I left them in place when I replaced the hoses a while back.
>
>
>
> Maybe you have an arrangement like this one?
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Hayden via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 7:14 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* petemcm...@gmail.com; Adam Hayden 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?
>
>
>
> Peter
>
> Very interesting.  I have the same issue except my port tank drains and
> the Starboard tank does not.
>
> Drives me crazy.
>
> Adam c 36
>
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 3:55:08 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> *Cc:* petemcm...@gmail.com 
> *Subject:* Stus-List water tanks interconnected, or not?
>
>
>
> I have a 30gal water tank under both settees. The valves for each are set
> to open flow. However, the pump seems to draw only from the starboard side.
> I’d assumed that with both valves open, the tanks would equalize, but the
> stbd tank empties and the pump goes dry, while the port tank remains full.
> Can someone venture to what’s going on? I’ve read this 2015 discussion
> ,
> but the OP then was interested in disconnecting the two tanks. I’ll do some
> exploring tomorrow to see what might be preventing the tanks from
> equalizing. Ideas are welcome.
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Jeff,

Buy now — prices are going up, up, up! 

Happy to hear. Though still relatively new here, I do have a pretty good “lay 
of the land” and will be happy to answer any questions (off list, of course) — 
and always happy to help out a fellow C’er. 

And I’m not planning to go anywhere list-wise. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL











On Mar 31, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:

It's a community list of C enthusiasts that sometime have side conversations. 
 I hope Edd stays a part of the community even after he moves to a different 
type of vessel.  
 
Edd, I may be moving to your area, in a few years, if all goes well!  

-- Original Message --
From: "Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List" 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: "Jeffrey A. Laman" 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:08:26 +


Thought this was a C sailboat list?
 
Jeff Laman
1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI
 
 
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:04 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats
 
Joe,
 
Thanks. We’ve looked at quite a few boats over the past few months and there 
were several that we didn’t like, whether it’s the style, layout, number of 
levels, engines, etc. I’m not ruling out gas engines, but would prefer diesels 
purely from a maintenance and safety level. 
 
Right now, a Sea Ray 400 Sedan with Caterpillar 3126’s has really caught my 
eye. Also interested in the Carver 36 Mariner, the Regal Commodore 4080 and the 
Meridian 341 (though I have yet to actually get on board one — may be too 
small.)
 
Primarily, we are looking for a 16-knot+ cruiser that we could use for a day 
trip to a gulf-coast island or for a week or two cruising to the Keys or even 
the Bahamas. 
 
I’m well aware that, especially as a life-long C owner, that there will be 
compromises and disappointments, but I’m looking to transition into a 
less-active form of boating where the only winch on board is electric and it 
drops the anchor. 
 
Now that we are here in Florida for good, we can’t wait to explore strange new 
worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations…. And, our Prime Directive will 
not change — Wherever We Go, We Go Boldly — I just want to be at a speed that I 
won’t need to take extra time off. 

All the best,
 
Edd
 
 
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 



On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I would agree with that. The Carver/Regal/Sea Ray lineup probably would not 
meet expectations if you had a C for very long.
I worked on all of them and delivered some back in the day and unless they got 
a LOT better than they used to be, I can't see a C being happy with them.
Also do not be fooled by "diesel". Sailors tend to extrapolate "lasts forever" 
and "sips fuel" to diesel powerboats and neither one of those things 
necessarily apply. Many boosted high output diesels have short lifespans and 
"economical" is in comparison to a pair of big block V8s. I worked on a SeaRay 
55 and I had to run her hard to do some autopilot calibrations. I think I was 
going through 100 gallons an hour! Also the layout and décor seemed ideal for 
bachelor parties - cruising not so much.
Heck - even the slow Grand Banks trawlers use a LOT of fuel compared to any 
sailboat without going much faster.

Joe
Coquina

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
] 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:39 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: 40 or 41?

Look at the Sabre Salons.  

Dennis C. 

On Mar 29, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Danny,

Possibly, but it would have to be a fast trawler. Most likely looking for a 
sedan bridge with diesels. 

All the best, 

Edd


Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 

  Thanks - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 

Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

It's a community list of C enthusiasts that sometime have side conversations. 
 I hope Edd stays a part of the community even after he moves to a different 
type of vessel.   Edd, I may be moving to your area, in a few years, if all 
goes well!  

-- Original Message --
From: "Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List" 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:08:26 +


Thought this was a C sailboat list? Jeff Laman1981 C HarmonyLudington, MI 
 From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:04 AM
 To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Edd Schillay 
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats Joe, Thanks. Weve looked at 
quite a few boats over the past few months and there were several that we 
didnt like, whether its the style, layout, number of levels, 
engines, etc. Im not ruling out gas engines, but would prefer diesels 
purely from a maintenance and safety level.  Right now, a Sea Ray 400 Sedan 
with Caterpillar 3126s has really caught my eye. Also interested in the 
Carver 36 Mariner, the Regal Commodore 4080 and the Meridian 341 (though I have 
yet to actually get on board one  may be too small.) Primarily, we are 
looking for a 16-knot+ cruiser that we could use for a day trip to a gulf-coast 
island or for a week or two cruising to the Keys or even the Bahamas.  
Im well aware that, especially as a life-long C owner, that there will 
be compromises and disappointments, but Im looking to transition into a 
less-active form of boating where the only winch on board is electric and it 
drops the anchor.  Now that we are here in Florida for good, we cant 
wait to explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new 
civilizations. And, our Prime Directive will not change  
Wherever We Go, We Go Boldly  I just want to be at a speed that I 
wont need to take extra time off.  All the best, Edd  Edd M. 
SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BVenice 
Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL  On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Della 
Barba, Joe via CnC-List  wrote:I would agree with that. 
The Carver/Regal/Sea Ray lineup probably would not meet expectations if you had 
a C for very long. I worked on all of them and delivered some back in the day 
and unless they got a LOT better than they used to be, I can't see a C 
being happy with them. Also do not be fooled by "diesel". Sailors tend to 
extrapolate "lasts forever" and "sips fuel" to diesel powerboats and neither 
one of those things necessarily apply. Many boosted high output diesels have 
short lifespans and "economical" is in comparison to a pair of big block V8s. I 
worked on a SeaRay 55 and I had to run her hard to do some autopilot 
calibrations. I think I was going through 100 gallons an hour! Also the layout 
and décor seemed ideal for bachelor parties - cruising not so much. Heck - even 
the slow Grand Banks trawlers use a LOT of fuel compared to any sailboat 
without going much faster.  Joe Coquina  -Original Message- From: 
Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]  Sent: Monday, March 29, 
2021 10:39 PM To: Stus-List  Cc: Dennis C. 
 Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: 40 or 41?  Look at the 
Sabre Salons.Dennis C.  On Mar 29, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Edd Schillay via 
CnC-List  wrote:  Danny,  Possibly, but it would have to 
be a fast trawler. Most likely looking for a sedan bridge with diesels.   All 
the best,   Edd  
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Stus-List Re: C Custom 50 w Weird 2man Winches

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 JohnKelly; is there some other format besides Airtable that can be used to 
access the information? Thanks
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River,Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: C Custom 50 w Weird 2man Winches

That would be PhantomProject 71-4
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Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Thought this was a C sailboat list?

Jeff Laman
1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI


From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:04 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

Joe,

Thanks. We’ve looked at quite a few boats over the past few months and there 
were several that we didn’t like, whether it’s the style, layout, number of 
levels, engines, etc. I’m not ruling out gas engines, but would prefer diesels 
purely from a maintenance and safety level.

Right now, a Sea Ray 400 Sedan with Caterpillar 3126’s has really caught my 
eye. Also interested in the Carver 36 Mariner, the Regal Commodore 4080 and the 
Meridian 341 (though I have yet to actually get on board one — may be too 
small.)

Primarily, we are looking for a 16-knot+ cruiser that we could use for a day 
trip to a gulf-coast island or for a week or two cruising to the Keys or even 
the Bahamas.

I’m well aware that, especially as a life-long C owner, that there will be 
compromises and disappointments, but I’m looking to transition into a 
less-active form of boating where the only winch on board is electric and it 
drops the anchor.

Now that we are here in Florida for good, we can’t wait to explore strange new 
worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations…. And, our Prime Directive will 
not change — Wherever We Go, We Go Boldly — I just want to be at a speed that I 
won’t need to take extra time off.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL










On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I would agree with that. The Carver/Regal/Sea Ray lineup probably would not 
meet expectations if you had a C for very long.
I worked on all of them and delivered some back in the day and unless they got 
a LOT better than they used to be, I can't see a C being happy with them.
Also do not be fooled by "diesel". Sailors tend to extrapolate "lasts forever" 
and "sips fuel" to diesel powerboats and neither one of those things 
necessarily apply. Many boosted high output diesels have short lifespans and 
"economical" is in comparison to a pair of big block V8s. I worked on a SeaRay 
55 and I had to run her hard to do some autopilot calibrations. I think I was 
going through 100 gallons an hour! Also the layout and décor seemed ideal for 
bachelor parties - cruising not so much.
Heck - even the slow Grand Banks trawlers use a LOT of fuel compared to any 
sailboat without going much faster.

Joe
Coquina

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:39 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: 40 or 41?

Look at the Sabre Salons.

Dennis C.

On Mar 29, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Danny,

Possibly, but it would have to be a fast trawler. Most likely looking for a 
sedan bridge with diesels.

All the best,

Edd


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Stus-List Re: Now best powerboats

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Joe,

Thanks. We’ve looked at quite a few boats over the past few months and there 
were several that we didn’t like, whether it’s the style, layout, number of 
levels, engines, etc. I’m not ruling out gas engines, but would prefer diesels 
purely from a maintenance and safety level. 

Right now, a Sea Ray 400 Sedan with Caterpillar 3126’s has really caught my 
eye. Also interested in the Carver 36 Mariner, the Regal Commodore 4080 and the 
Meridian 341 (though I have yet to actually get on board one — may be too 
small.)

Primarily, we are looking for a 16-knot+ cruiser that we could use for a day 
trip to a gulf-coast island or for a week or two cruising to the Keys or even 
the Bahamas. 

I’m well aware that, especially as a life-long C owner, that there will be 
compromises and disappointments, but I’m looking to transition into a 
less-active form of boating where the only winch on board is electric and it 
drops the anchor. 

Now that we are here in Florida for good, we can’t wait to explore strange new 
worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations…. And, our Prime Directive will 
not change — Wherever We Go, We Go Boldly — I just want to be at a speed that I 
won’t need to take extra time off. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL











On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I would agree with that. The Carver/Regal/Sea Ray lineup probably would not 
meet expectations if you had a C for very long.
I worked on all of them and delivered some back in the day and unless they got 
a LOT better than they used to be, I can't see a C being happy with them.
Also do not be fooled by "diesel". Sailors tend to extrapolate "lasts forever" 
and "sips fuel" to diesel powerboats and neither one of those things 
necessarily apply. Many boosted high output diesels have short lifespans and 
"economical" is in comparison to a pair of big block V8s. I worked on a SeaRay 
55 and I had to run her hard to do some autopilot calibrations. I think I was 
going through 100 gallons an hour! Also the layout and décor seemed ideal for 
bachelor parties - cruising not so much.
Heck - even the slow Grand Banks trawlers use a LOT of fuel compared to any 
sailboat without going much faster.

Joe
Coquina

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:39 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: 40 or 41?

Look at the Sabre Salons.  

Dennis C. 

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Danny,
> 
> Possibly, but it would have to be a fast trawler. Most likely looking for a 
> sedan bridge with diesels. 
> 
> All the best, 
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
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Stus-List Now best powerboats

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I would agree with that. The Carver/Regal/Sea Ray lineup probably would not 
meet expectations if you had a C for very long.
I worked on all of them and delivered some back in the day and unless they got 
a LOT better than they used to be, I can't see a C being happy with them.
Also do not be fooled by "diesel". Sailors tend to extrapolate "lasts forever" 
and "sips fuel" to diesel powerboats and neither one of those things 
necessarily apply. Many boosted high output diesels have short lifespans and 
"economical" is in comparison to a pair of big block V8s. I worked on a SeaRay 
55 and I had to run her hard to do some autopilot calibrations. I think I was 
going through 100 gallons an hour! Also the layout and décor seemed ideal for 
bachelor parties - cruising not so much.
Heck - even the slow Grand Banks trawlers use a LOT of fuel compared to any 
sailboat without going much faster.

Joe
Coquina

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:39 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: 40 or 41?

Look at the Sabre Salons.  

Dennis C. 

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Danny,
> 
> Possibly, but it would have to be a fast trawler. Most likely looking for a 
> sedan bridge with diesels. 
> 
> All the best, 
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Rudder post bearing for 33ii

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Bill

The rudder posts on Frers 33 were all aluminum.  Yes it is an aluminum weld.  
There was pitting where the rudder post meets the rudder likely due to 
antifouling paint, dissimilar metals and many years of service

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS


From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: March 30, 2021 5:31 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Rudder post bearing for 33ii

Mike, I know I am getting distracted from the original question, but I have to 
ask –
Around the eighth picture from the bottom, there is a shot of some weld on a 
rudder shaft – it is obviously aluminum TIG weld, but the shaft looks like 
stainless, I have never heard of an aluminum rudder post on these boats. And it 
looks like it really toasted the fiberglass – do you know if your shaft is 
Aluminum?


Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie, PA



From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 9:24 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: Phil Walsh (phil.wa...@gmail.com); Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Stus-List Re: Rudder post bearing for 33ii

I am copying my friend Phil who manufactured rudder bushings for Persistence.  
We also had some wear on the post just above the rudder that made it slightly 
out of round and induced fore / aft play.  Phil may be able to comment on how 
he took the measurements and manufactured the bushings and the product/process 
he used to build up the post and return it to its original specifications. The 
Frers 33 is very similar to C and of the same vintage so the process and 
products would be very similar

Persistence rudder is back in the boat and steering connected and play is gone. 
 A link to the project can be found here 
http://www.hoytsailing.com/RudderBearing.htm

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com


From: Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: March 30, 2021 10:04 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Joel Delamirande 
mailto:joel.delamira...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Rudder post bearing for 33ii

Does south shore yacht still have bearing for the rudder?
I need one for mine mk1 30 1973

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 8:45 AM Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Is this the delrin ring around the top of the rudder post ? When ours gave up 
(split) I got one from SouthShore that was a good fit, had to get the pin also 
as the old one was bent before we bought Perception. Going to be time for 
another soon I am sure ... so interested in what you find.

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Sent: March 29, 2021 9:16 PM
To: C Stus List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dave S mailto:syerd...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Rudder post bearing for 33ii

So, Mike and me was talkin’.

Both our boats have  had the rudder post bearing replaced  - I was fortunate to 
have an almost intact original and was able to fabricate a pretty good 
replacement - mike was not so lucky and has a serviceable but temporary 
solution in play.
I would like to create (really, have someone more digitally capable create) an 
accurate drawing and maybe make up a few of these.
My original is broken into two segments and is therefore not the best choice as 
a pattern.
It is very hard to measure this accurately with the rudder post installed.   
Does have a drawing or any thoughts about creating one?  This would be shared 
amongst the collective of course!

Dave - 33ii

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www.jdroofing.ca

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