Stus-List Re: C 34+ with trailer

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I called the ad and the trailer was sold but not the boat. I said that is 
really going to limit your market to people that live around that lake.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2024 7:07 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 34+ with trailer

 

That's Deja Vu.  Former? list member.  Was in my marina in Mandeville, LA.  
Also Pensacola and Lake Lanier, GA.

 

--

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 1:22 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

https://delaware.craigslist.org/bod/d/wilmington-1990-cc-34/7729712631.html

 

I have to say this is the first time I have seen a boat this size with a 
trailer. I am pretty sure my Volvo would get a hernia or something trying to 
tow it.

I like the layout 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: C 34+ with trailer

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Except the boat is in Lake Lanier, so you are kind of stuck in a lake.

Joe

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2024 2:57 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 34+ with trailer

 

Launch the boat. Empty trailer will be no problem!



Joel 

 

 

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 2:50 PM Jeff Nelson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Yeah, at 12k lbs, likely need at least 2 volvo's.
or
Sportchassis.com  would haul it with ease.



Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.

On 2024-04-12 15:22, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:

https://delaware.craigslist.org/bod/d/wilmington-1990-cc-34/7729712631.html

 

I have to say this is the first time I have seen a boat this size with a 
trailer. I am pretty sure my Volvo would get a hernia or something trying to 
tow it.

I like the layout 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

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Stus-List C 34+ with trailer

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

https://delaware.craigslist.org/bod/d/wilmington-1990-cc-34/7729712631.html

 

I have to say this is the first time I have seen a boat this size with a 
trailer. I am pretty sure my Volvo would get a hernia or something trying to 
tow it.

I like the layout 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List battery charger for sale

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I recently got a big AGM battery that needs a big charger. I have a ProNautic 
15 amp charger with a battery temperature probe that is necessary for correct 
charging of any lead-acid battery. It can charge 1, 2, or 3 batteries and has a 
lot of settings for various charge profiles.

It works fine, it is only being removed because I got a bigger charger. They 
sell for $350-$400 new, I will send this one to any USA address for $150 
shipped. Canada might be more, I would have to check.

(Odyssey battery company told me they want their battery charged with at least 
a 30 amp charger and ideally a lot more, apparently they need to be hit hard to 
stay good)

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: C 66

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

At least the boat has a roll-up genoa now. As a single or short-handed cruiser, 
 I would never be taking either sail on or off, they would stay until I could 
hire 4 guys to come move them. Even then, without electric winches that boat 
would be a handful. The wheel location and submarine interior argue very hard 
against selling the boat to a cruising family. I don’t get how you are supposed 
to steer comfortably.

If I could afford it (hahaha), I would redo the cockpit layout and doghouse 
cabin totally with a taller cabin, big ports to let some light in, and move the 
wheel aft. 

I once worked on a 90+ foot sloop that the owner would single-hand, it was a 
really nice boat as long as the electric winches stayed working.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: C Corvette 31

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

We have Coquina because her previous owners moved to a house on Barnegat Bay 
with about 4 feet of water and wanted to buy Corvette.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: C Racing Shirt - Size XL - Free (pay Shipping and Donation)

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Are the rugby shirts coming back?

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 10:28 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C Racing Shirt - Size XL - Free (pay Shipping and 
Donation)

 

JK mentioned the submarine sweaters, I gave them to the fam as Christmas gifts 
and they were well received, my wife wore hers all week long!

 

Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255

 

 

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 03:15:05 PM EST, Motion Designs Limited via 
CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Have a license plate holder in the archives.   The problem with most of these 
items is minimum orders to get them produced.   I then have consider if I can 
sell that many.   I have stock of many things I thought would sell and haven’t 
:-(

 

The minimum order for the rugby shirts was a $6000 dollar outlay, so I’ve been 
very hesitant to go ahead with those.Thought the submariner sweaters would 
have sold more etc etc

 

JKC

 

www.candcyachts.com  

Motion Designs Limited

647 990 7752





On Jan 1, 2024, at 9:19 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:



Hi- JohnKelly-  Another thing you might consider for the chandlery is C 
license plate holders. If I remember correctly, Edd got ahold of some as swag 
for one of the C rendezvous's and I have had them on my car ever since.  Mine 
are aging and I would replace them in a heartbeat.  Dave

 

David Knecht

Rear Commodore

Thames Yacht Club

New London, CT

 

 





On Dec 31, 2023, at 5:39 PM, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

If there is enough interest I can add it to   
www.candcyachts.com

 

I was hoping to grab an original for the archives but I was too late :-(

 

JohnKelly Cuthbertson 

 

  www.candcyachts.com

Motion Designs Limited

647 990 7752





On Dec 31, 2023, at 4:52 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List < 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



Edd;

 

>From the prompt responses to your offer (unfortunately, I was cooking when you 
>sent the message and didn’t see it until a few minutes ago) I think you may 
>have identified an item that John Kelly might want to add to the C 
>Chandlery. I know I’d buy one if they were available.

 

Hope you have a great New Year – even though you’ve become a stinkpotter.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List [  
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2023 2:22 PM
To: Stus-List <  cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Edd Schillay <  e...@schillay.com>
Subject: Stus-List C Racing Shirt - Size XL - Free (pay Shipping and Donation)

 

Listers,

 

Happy new year! 

 

I’m giving away my never-worn C Racing polo shirt, size XL. 

 

On the front is the C logo with “RACING” underneath. On the back are the 
nautical flags: Alpha Mike Foxtrot (You’ll have to look it up as to what that 
means, but here’s a hint: C are so fast that your competition will see this 
on your back as you pull away.)

 

See:  

 
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/2jdxgny0u4zp6sgwp8yok/cc-shirt.jpg?rlkey=zsylggrdk09zmttmb4i68lpj8=0
 

 

First person to reply that he/she wants it has first dibs. After that. i’ll 
need $10 via PayPal to cover shipping and for you to make a donation to Stu for 
the C site/list. I’ll leave it up to you if you want to donate $1 or $100. 

 

 

All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Captain of the Starship Enterprise

Bayliner 3788 | NCC-1701-C

Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL








 





 

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Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I have a spare sitting around from working on my boat, let me know when you 
figure out the size.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 12:38 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: virb...@cogeco.ca; Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly

 

Chris, that's great, thank you;' now if I can figure out which one

 

Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255

 

 

On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 03:06:29 PM EST, Chris Riedinger via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

 

 

https://www.mcmaster.com/products/shaft-collars/

 

They're called shaft collars

 

On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, 10:03 AM Dave S via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Or drill and tap the same collar, rotating the holes?

Or re-drill  the same holes and tap and use a larger screw?

Dave ex-33-2 windstar 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 9, 2023, at 12:56 PM, David Risch via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Richard…I am sure a competent machine shop can replicate?

 

From: Matthew Wolford via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 9:52 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: virb...@cogeco.ca  ; Matthew Wolford 
mailto:wolf...@erie.net> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly

 

I suggest starting there.  If Rob doesn’t have one, he may be able to suggest 
an alternate source.

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Dec 9, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Barry McKee via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:



Yes they are.

 

Barry McKee

 

C 29 “Discovery II”

Bronte, ON

 

From: Matthew Wolford via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: 9-Dec-23 8:24 AM
To: Richard Bush
Cc: Stus-List; Matthew Wolford
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly

 

Is South Shore Yachts still in business?

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 8, 2023, at 3:00 PM, Richard Bush mailto:bushma...@aol.com> > wrote:



Hi all; Bill is the winner for long distance diagnosing...; there is  a chrome 
"collar" or "nut' which is threaded and the the top of the rudder post which is 
also threaded; the collar is tightened down over the rudder post and sits on a 
delrin "washer" which is about 1/8 inch thick. There are two set screws in the 
collar to keep it tight n the rudder post.  The rudder pivots on this assembly 
when steering the boat.  

 

In my case, these set screws apparently loosened up to allow the collar to 
loosen which caused play in the rudder post. The result was to strip the 
threads on the collar allowing the rudder to drop.  The fix is to get a new 
collar, which I hope someone here can help my in identifying; there are no 
markings or part numbers on the collar. Of course, I have lots of photos.

 

For a quick fix, we were able to invert the collar and use the remaining 
threads ( about 1/2" to 5/8") to hold the rudder in place. I am confident that 
this will work until I can identify and order the new collar. 

 

So it seems I have been lucky and my situation fits under Mike Hoyt's "good 
case" scenario rather than the whole assembly failing, which is the "bad case" 
scenario.   I feel a lot better than I did 24 hours ago, but will report back 
on progress.  I would have thought the C used the same assembly for all of 
the rudders regardless of the model of the boat, but maybe not...;

 

If anyone ha any experience or suggestions in locating the "collar, please send 
them on...Thank you to everyone! 

 

Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255

 

 

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 03:37:58 PM EST, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

 

 

I thought there was a nut on the top of the post. If so, it may have come off 
and it slipped down till the quadrant hit the hull. Obviously you are going to 
have to go down an look, and all things shall be revealed unto you 

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA

 

 

On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 3:15 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Hi all; I am in need the collective wisdom of the group for a rudder issue; my 
boat (1985 C 37 CB) has been sitting on a trailer since early September for 
repairs to the hull, not rudder related; sometime in the past week the rudder 
has dropped a full two plus inches and no one knows how this happened; the hull 
 has been painted and the painters said they moved the rudder by moving the 
steering wheel and had no issues;  does anyone have any ideas or suggests about 
what could have occurred? and more importantly, what needs to be done to make 
the rudder usable? 

 

 

We were hoping to relaunch in the next week or so...I'll be happy to provide 
more information if anyone has questions...Thanks!  

 

Richard

1985 C 37 CB; 

Stus-List Re: Returning member reminiscing

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Draft? That is a deciding factor for many of us.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: bob via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2023 7:18 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: b...@quickland.us
Subject: Stus-List Returning member reminiscing

 

Every few months I ask my wife if we should sell our beloved 1982 C 37. And 
being the practical spouse, she says yes. The last time we sailed her was 
returning from the Block Island rendezvous many years ago. A few of you may 
remember the rendezvous’ final day as being a sensational sail. A few miles 
from Stonington our home port we blew out the mainsail. I replaced with a UK 
with the mast sliders, but havent sailed since.

We have the luxury of owning a large boathouse in florida so we have parked her 
there the last few years. We find our age limits our boating to taking our 
legacy 40 to stonington each spring and returning in fall.

Thanks for allowing me to speak a little of my 49 years of owning five C I 
have no idea of the financial value of this boat. Possibly you can give me 
guidance. When buying the boat I installed a Beta (kubota) engine. Has a couple 
hundred hours on it. While a little reluctant, I am prepared to sell her.

Bob 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: winter storage

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Maryland.

I would love to find some cockpit seats and refinish them vs. taking mine out 
and leaving two huge holes I need to cover.

Also would love an old rudder to redo. I don’t think mine has issues, but it is 
50 years old and probably worth a look inside at some point.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 11:30 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Motion Designs Limited 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: winter storage

 

Where are you ?

 

JKC

www.candcyachts.com  

Motion Designs Limited

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On Oct 30, 2023, at 11:23 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Is there any such thing as a C 35 MK I being parted out? There are a few 
things I could use. Not necessarily a mast, but if anyone had one nearby I 
would stick it in the yard for a spare.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

 

 

 

From: Joel Delamirande via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 1:31 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Joel Delamirande mailto:joel.delamira...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: winter storage

 

If someone wants a mast there one on Kijiji for sale 

And there a salvage yard that cut them up because there no room for to store 
them 

He get lots of cnc

 

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 6:45 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

As Matt mentioned, after a couple boats blew over at our club, they came out 
with an edict that any boats with masts up will have to be on a cradle.  That 
is not to say that a boat can't blow over in a cradle, there are tons of poorly 
designed cradles, or poorly maintained cradles around.  I have made several 
over the years, and just this fall got roped into revamping a Catalina 36 
cradle. He gave me the original drawings for the cradle, I couldn't believe it 
was an original design by Catalina - the whole thing, even the longitudinal 
stringers were only 4" channel, which, after being picked up by the ends, which 
is how they move cradles here, it sagged down about 6". So it got two new 8" I 
beams longitudinally and two crosswise under the keel. I would have made it 
more than 8 feet wide, but the dockmaster told me it couldn't be more than 
that. The point here, I guess is to get a good cradle.  There are a few down at 
our club that are an amazing design. They are made by Viking Trailers,  in 
Butler, PA,  Unfortunately , they don't  have any pictures on their site of 
them, if anyone is interested I can send a picture. There are four uprights per 
side, all adjustable in, out, and up, and also have fold down flaps to 
stabilize it up to 12' wide.  Really well thought out.

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA Entrada

 

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 10:19 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Re mast up.  A friend stored his C 33-2 with mast up and it blew over in a 
winter storm.  He now has no mast.

 

With mast down possibly the reduced windage would have prevented the boat from 
blowing over but certainly would have not resulted in a mast broken in three 
areas.  The boat was on a cradle.

 

Food for thought

 

Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

 

From: Bob Mann via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 10:45 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Bob Mann mailto:sailrm...@comcast.net> >
Subject: Stus-List winter storage

 

Here in Michigan it's time to winterize our boats until April. For those who 
store their boat with the mast up, do you leave shroud tension alone or do you 
loosen the shrouds for the winter? Bob Mann Mystic ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 

Here in Michigan it's time to winterize our boats until April.  For those who 
store their boat with the mast up, do you leave shroud tension alone or do you 
loosen the shrouds for the winter? 

  

Bob Mann 

Mystic 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I was inspired just now to move the water pump too. Out in cockpit locker it 
can freeze, but if I move it inside the cabin it will be above freezing during 
a cold snap. Also prevents the engine heat from making hot water when you don’t 
want it to be hot.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Mac Navigation options?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I really like my iPad. It runs both SeaIQ and AquaMap and lives in a mount on 
the chart table. I also have a PC that runs OpenCPN, but it draws a lot more 
power than the iPad does. I tend to leave it off under sail to save on power. 
Mine is an older one with no GPS, so it relies on the data from my AIS 
receiver, which sends NMEA data to a WiFi access point that then broadcasts the 
data to the iPad. I can also do the same from the PC if need be.

I used to love OpenCPN with RNC charts. I am not so thrilled now they are going 
away, the ENC display works but Navionics or AquaMap does it better. I actually 
would probably have Navionics except their implementation of AIS targeting info 
is decades behind everyone else.

Speaking of AIS, watching it online through Marine Traffic is NOT THE SAME as 
receiving it directly on your boat. There is an unknown and variable time lag 
involved plus plenty of areas where Marine Traffic does not get data from for 
one reason or another. I know this, I have a shore station that feeds them data 
and sometimes things happen to it like my wife unplugging it to plug in the 
vacuum, the cable going out, etc. etc.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Mac Navigation options?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I love my Aquamap 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List  
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 9:51 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Mac Navigation options?

 

I've become a fan of Aquamap, which has Active Captain and Waterway Guide info 
integrated with the charts, which themselves are very good.

Andy

Masquerade (Baltic 47)

 

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/


phone  +401 965 5260

 

 

On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 7:37 PM Rick Brass via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

You might look into downloading Active Captain to your Mac, so long as the Mac 
has the ability to determine your position by some sort of connections to a GPS.

I run the Active Captain Community app on my old IPad that is with me during 
deliveries, and also have it on my Dell laptop. (when on a boat the laptop gets 
position info through a link to my android phone)  

I have a Garmin chart plotter on Imzadi and have downloaded the Garmin G2 
charts (which is a personal preference because they use the same color patterns 
and symbols as NOAA charts) to both of my other devices. It all works off-line; 
I can download new areas of the charts I have to the IPad if I will be in an 
area that is not already saved there because of somewhat limited memory on the 
IPad. The laptop has access to the entire North American chart set that came 
with my last chart plotter update.

Garmin also owns Navionics, IIRC, and I seem to recall the choice of Navionics 
or Blue Chart charts is an option for the newer Garmin Chart plotters. You 
might call them and see if since you have the Navionics app and charts on your 
phone you can share it to the Active Captain Community app on your Mac.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC

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From: Dean McNeill via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 ] 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 7:42 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Dean McNeill mailto:d...@deanmc.ca> >
Subject: Stus-List Mac Navigation options?

I have an on-deck ChartPlotter at the helm and while I’m a fan of Navionics on 
an iPhone… it’s so small! 

I don’t have an iPad or tablet but I do have a great Mac laptop I don’t use — 
it would make a great on-board navigation station. What software and charts are 
good? Navionics on a laptop runs through the web so that’s not a viable option. 
I saw OpenCPN but I can’t seem to find any raster or vector charts for Eastern 
Canada. 

Anybody running anything good?

Thanks, Dean

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

If I like the bow tank I am going to do the same for the settee tank. New hoses 
while I am at it too, even though I rarely drink tank water it would be nice if 
I could without it tasting weird.

I also got a carbon filter for the fill hose that helps a lot, our marina water 
is quite sulfur infused.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List  
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 8:44 AM
To: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Cc: Neil Gallagher 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

 

I put a Plastimo 26 gal tank in place of the original fiberglass tank under the 
port settee just this summer, so can't say how it will be long-term but am very 
happy with it so far.  Before installing I ground down the various rough edges 
in the space and put a plywood platform under the inboard part of it.  The tank 
has loops on the corners which I secured, and the tank has a bottom outlet 
which is also why I put it on a raised platform.  I suppose a bow tank would be 
similar.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

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I am thinking about a bladder. The tank is enough of a mess that I am not sure 
I want to deal with it.

Has anyone had good luck with the Plastimo tanks?

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 





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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

 

I am thinking about a bladder. The tank is enough of a mess that I am not sure 
I want to deal with it.

Has anyone had good luck with the Plastimo tanks?

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Sizing an inverter

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Inverters are sized to the expected loads.

Batteries are sized to how long you want to run those loads.

Example: My wife’s hair dryer on 500 watts is drawing about 50 amps. If she ran 
it for an hour that would be 50 amp/hours, which would be all you can use out 
of a 100AH battery. Thanks to Peukert’s equation, with lead acid batteries it 
is a little worse than that. (heavy loads draw them down faster than the 
formula, light loads a little less than the formula)

As for the switches, I don’t know how your boat is wired. My inverter runs off 
the house bank with its own switch.

BTW – your math is a bit off. A 100 amp hour battery can probably supply around 
500 amps or more, which is 6,000 watts. It can’t do it for very long though, 
but long enough to start an engine. Amps, amp-hours, watt-hours, and so on can 
get confusing.

I’ll post how to figure this out when I get a chance.

Joe

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 4:03 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Sizing an inverter

 

OK, an DC/AC Pure Sine Wave inverter looks attractive  

  

I've heard some boats have 1000 watt, some 2000watt and some 3000 or more. 

What size inverter is right for a boat equipped with two 100Ah AGM batteries?  

One battery provides 12v x 100ah: 1200watts.  My system can provide 2400 watts 
but I usually reserve one battery to restart the engine and run on the other 
battery.  Does the inverter get fed from a bus common to both batteries, or to 
the selector switch marked, "Off, 1, both, 2"? 

  

Thanks, 

Chuck S   

  

  

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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

FYI

Two of these at my local Worst Marine marked down 75% (about $120)

https://naturepowerproducts.com/products/500-watt-puresine-solar-power-gernerator/

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

The one I linked to is pure sine wave.

The one I have is not pure sine, they were quite expensive back then. Even
odder is it shows 60 volts hot to ground and 60 volts neutral to ground. It
has never caused an issue but for one thing - one computer power supply I
have won't work with it. The GFIs still work as designed. One day I'll swap
to pure sign just for the RFI reduction, the more normal grounding will be a
bonus.

Also note you aren't talking on the SSB with a square-wave inverter running!

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Neil Andersen  
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 1:35 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

 

If you are looking at inverters, keep in mind that wattage isn't all there
is to an inverter.  Consider what you are plugging in.  Coffee makers and
toasters are not particular about the quality of the output.  Computers and
other devices are.  The need a true sine wave, versus a modified sine wave.
An Inverter with true sine wave are more expensive, but will save your other
electronics in the long term. 

 

Neil Andersen, W3NEA

Former C 32 owner

Rock Hall, MD 21661

484-354-8800

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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Can we back up a bit?

Do you right now have a TV that you can only use on shore power?

Maybe all you need is an inverter, they don’t cost too much. I have had a 300 
watt inverter for ages and added a 1,000 watt inverter for bigger tools and the 
admiral’s hair dryer. The smaller one is better for charging computers, the 
coffee grinder, and so on. It draws about half what the big one draws at 
standby and is silent, the bigger one has a fan.

I use this transfer switch:

https://www.westmarine.com/kisae-technology-ac-transfer-switch-20a-14159982.html

 

This is the closest equivalent to the inverter I have, mine is no longer sold.

https://www.westmarine.com/kisae-technology-true-1000-pure-sine-wave-inverter-14159933.html

 

--- >Shore Power >AC panel> 15 amp breaker>auto transfer switch>outlets.  I 
have to physically plug and unplug to swap inverters plus the 300 watt unit has 
a dedicated outlet at the chart table.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Watt-hours is amp-hours X volts. My house battery is 180 amp hours and 12 
volts, so it is 2,160 watt-hours. Practically using more than about 1100 of 
that at once is very hard on the battery. A lithium battery can do 80% cycles 
no problem, so that would give you an effective 1700 or so watt-hours from the 
same size battery.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 8:36 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

 

And almost every coffee pot and definitely every Keurig use at least 1400 watts 
and up to 1600 for Keurig.  If anyone is interested at all in that I did find a 
single cup coffee maker that uses Keurig pods and consumes only 800 watts (I 
was dumb enough to buy a 1200 watt inverter/generator for the RV)

 

We have recently acquired a Bluetti AC200Max which has a 30 AMP outlet as well 
as 4 20amp outlets.  It provides 2100 watt hours (whatever those are).  We can 
plug the RV in to it and it powers everything.  It is even able to power the 
Air conditioner but only for short periods. During Hurricane Lee we plugged our 
house into it (6 circuit generator panel) and had lights, refrigerator, 
internet etc for the late evening and overnight

 

Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

 

 

 

 

 

From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 9:19 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> >; Korbey Hunt 
mailto:kampf2...@hotmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

 

A decent microwave will require a 2,000 watt inverter. Get Outlook for Android 
From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  Sent: Monday, 
October 16, 2023 2: 19: 04 PM To: Stus-List  Cc: joe@ 
dellabarba. com 

 

A decent microwave will require a 2,000 watt inverter. 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system 

 

I appreciate the feedback. 

  

We still enjoy TV at the dock and it's built in DVD player allows us to borrow 
movies from the library or rewatch old favorites like Hornblower, Wackiest Ship 
in the Army, Houseboat, Two For the Road, Wind, etc. 

  

The attraction of the Jackery is portability and it plugs right into my shore 
power inlet so all the 120v outlets can be powered.  It's easily removed from 
the boat and could backup my house during hurricane season, or taken camping.  

  

If you price out a 2000 watt invertor and batteries for it and 400 watt solar 
panels and a battery monitoring system, I would think it would get more 
expensive and more labor intensive, wiring all that together.  I would prefer a 
stand alone system that can be used when needed, and not something permanently 
mounted.  $1700 may seem like a lot of money, but the system would allow me to 
run a microwave or a hair dryer and provides another way to charge batteries 
when on the hook.  It would be removed from the boat for racing, removing all 
that weight.

  

I haven't bought one yet.   I'm still considering options. 

  

Chuck S 

  

   

On 10/16/2023 4:04 PM EDT Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

  

  

We watch TV on the laptop, or if I somehow forget to bring it then the iPad 
from the chart table. I cannot recall using a physical DVD in years, but my 
laptop can play them if needed.

As far an actual TV goes, there are two issues:

1.  Powering it. Inverters are not all that expensive.
2.  Storing power – I would add batteries for the whole boat instead of 
just for a TV.

 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 3:41 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

 

There are, out there, 12 V TVs. They might be more expensive than the normal 
(120 V) ones, but not $1000 more expensive. Also, do you need a TV or just a 
screen (monitor)? They are even easier to get in 12 V version.

 

Marek

 

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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 9:07 PM
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Cc: Della Barba, J

Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Its French Press for us, no electricity needed.

Joe 

Coquina

 

From: David Knecht via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:18 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

 

And then of course there are the French Press or Pour Over devices that use
hot water from the stove, no electric power, and make a much superior cup of
coffee (yes, I am a coffee snob).  Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT

 

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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

The value proposition changes a bit if you use it for other things like power 
outages, camping, other boats, and so on. If you have multiple uses for it, it 
starts making more sense.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 5:19 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

 

I appreciate the feedback. 

  

We still enjoy TV at the dock and it's built in DVD player allows us to borrow 
movies from the library or rewatch old favorites like Hornblower, Wackiest Ship 
in the Army, Houseboat, Two For the Road, Wind, etc. 

  

The attraction of the Jackery is portability and it plugs right into my shore 
power inlet so all the 120v outlets can be powered.  It's easily removed from 
the boat and could backup my house during hurricane season, or taken camping.  

  

If you price out a 2000 watt invertor and batteries for it and 400 watt solar 
panels and a battery monitoring system, I would think it would get more 
expensive and more labor intensive, wiring all that together.  I would prefer a 
stand alone system that can be used when needed, and not something permanently 
mounted.  $1700 may seem like a lot of money, but the system would allow me to 
run a microwave or a hair dryer and provides another way to charge batteries 
when on the hook.  It would be removed from the boat for racing, removing all 
that weight.

  

I haven't bought one yet.   I'm still considering options. 

  

Chuck S 

  

   

On 10/16/2023 4:04 PM EDT Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

  

  

We watch TV on the laptop, or if I somehow forget to bring it then the iPad 
from the chart table. I cannot recall using a physical DVD in years, but my 
laptop can play them if needed.

As far an actual TV goes, there are two issues:

1.  Powering it. Inverters are not all that expensive.
2.  Storing power – I would add batteries for the whole boat instead of 
just for a TV.

 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 3:41 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

 

There are, out there, 12 V TVs. They might be more expensive than the normal 
(120 V) ones, but not $1000 more expensive. Also, do you need a TV or just a 
screen (monitor)? They are even easier to get in 12 V version.

 

Marek

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 9:07 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

 

I have a 300 watt and 1200 inverter hard-wired to the boat systems as well as 
solar.

I keep thinking there must be a better way to watch TV then spend $1800. If it 
were me, I would probably spend the money on improving the boat systems overall 
vs. a dedicated TV battery.

Joe

Coquina

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 1:45 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Jackery solar system

 

Looking for a way to power my TV and DVD and 120v sockets while at anchor.  

I'm looking at getting a Jackery solar system for my boat.  

I like the "2000 plus" cause it has a 30amp socket that accepts my shorepower 
cord and comes with two 200Watt folding solar panels.  $1800 but cheaper and 
less labor than installing a Lithium battery system with solar panels. 

  

Anybody have experience with these devices? 

  

Chuck Resolute 1989 C, Annapolis 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

We watch TV on the laptop, or if I somehow forget to bring it then the iPad 
from the chart table. I cannot recall using a physical DVD in years, but my 
laptop can play them if needed.

As far an actual TV goes, there are two issues:

1.  Powering it. Inverters are not all that expensive.
2.  Storing power – I would add batteries for the whole boat instead of 
just for a TV.

 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 3:41 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

 

There are, out there, 12 V TVs. They might be more expensive than the normal 
(120 V) ones, but not $1000 more expensive. Also, do you need a TV or just a 
screen (monitor)? They are even easier to get in 12 V version.

 

Marek

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 9:07 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

 

I have a 300 watt and 1200 inverter hard-wired to the boat systems as well as 
solar.

I keep thinking there must be a better way to watch TV then spend $1800. If it 
were me, I would probably spend the money on improving the boat systems overall 
vs. a dedicated TV battery.

Joe

Coquina

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 1:45 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Jackery solar system

 

Looking for a way to power my TV and DVD and 120v sockets while at anchor.  

I'm looking at getting a Jackery solar system for my boat.  

I like the "2000 plus" cause it has a 30amp socket that accepts my shorepower 
cord and comes with two 200Watt folding solar panels.  $1800 but cheaper and 
less labor than installing a Lithium battery system with solar panels. 

  

Anybody have experience with these devices? 

  

Chuck Resolute 1989 C, Annapolis 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I thought of just getting rid of it, but the stainless brackets are now on my 
porch – thanks Fedex. I worry that if the tank is half-full and I come off a 
big wave, that is a nice sledgehammer effect trying to move the tank forward 
and then aft.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Jim Watts via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 6:47 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Jim Watts 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

 

Our bow tank was a custom build because it was cheaper than having Kracor set 
up the jigs to make a new batch. It has no baffles, which means it is held in 
place by stringers across the top. It also has no bolts to leak, which is good 
as it is now a black water tank. Unless it's really large, do you need that 
baffle in there? 




Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

 

 

On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 08:05, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

The tank is in my driveway right now, so I really hope it wasn’t part of the 
hull!

It has a baffle that is a piece of plastic that slides into grooved wood 
supports. Those supports are bolted through the side of the tank and those 
bolts now leak. Also 50 years in a water tank has gotten to the wood, it is 
coming apart.

The only way to replace the tank would be a custom build, it is not any 
standard shape, it is contoured to fit the hull. I am going to replace the wood 
with stainless angle brackets and this time seal the bolts up!

Joe 

Coquina

 

From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 10:44 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> 
>; Doug Mountjoy mailto:svrebeccal...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C 35 MK 1 bow water tank

 

Hi Joe, 

It sounds like your tank is an integral part of the hull. Both my LF38 & LF39 
and my Sabre have plastic tanks in the bow. When I bought the 38 someone had 
put in a bladder tank. O removed it and put in a plastic tank. Not horribly 
difficult. 

 

 

Douglas Mountjoy
1988 LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA


 

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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Anyone else have a water tank in the bow?

Mine is leaking, the bolts through the side of it leak and the wood that holds 
the internal baffle that the bolts are there for is coming apart.

Now I need to get the 120 or so bolts off the top to fix it.

 

Joe

Coquina

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Stus-List Re: Everyone ready for Ophelia?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Northern way? If so, you will have an epic sail down from the C!

Joe

Coquina

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2023 1:06 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Everyone ready for Ophelia?

 

We left Cape May yesterday so we can get home this afternoon. 

Stay safe!

 

On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 11:38 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

This storm kind of snuck up on me, I am running around doing stuff right now. 
First off was to get the Whaler out of the water, she sits stern-to the opening 
to the marina that faces northeast, right where the wind is coming from.

Last one of these we left it too late and had to reverse into waves breaking 
across the engine. Do not recommend! 

 

Joe

Coquina

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Stus-List Re: Please remove me

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

You can switch to digest mode and get just one a day 

 

From: David Miles via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 1:33 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Miles 
Subject: Stus-List Please remove me

 

Dear Stus list,

Please remove me from the list as I'll be traveling for the next while and it 
fills my inbox too quickly. 

Thx very much and thank you for all the effort you put in. 

 

Best regards, 

David Miles 

mi...@intergate.ca   

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Stus-List Re: Long Island sound

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

We loved the Thimbles when last there, which was a long time ago. There was a 
barge selling lobster dinners with a delivery boat. My brother and I got 
hassled about some kind of Connecticut boating license while taking the dinghy 
into town. Seems the local water cops didn’t think a 10 and 13 year old should 
be operating a boat, but we kept pointing at the MARLYLAND registration and 
told the cops that Maryland had no such rules and this was a Maryland boat so 
go away. That actually worked, but then the dinghy split a seam some distance 
on and we covered the last part of the trip with a half-inflated dinghy.

Once in town we somehow convinced a local to rent us a wood rowboat for $10, 
which was the extent of my cash. Our parents were more than surprised when we 
returned to the Thimble Islands in a different boat than we left in! Good Times 


Later I earned a lot of respect from my brother when a Hobie Cat sailed by 3  
bikini girls wanted to tie up and eat lunch. They were still there when 
everyone else got back from town to return the rowboat and patch up the 
inflatable. C were getting all the best girls then and still do 

 

*   Just recently we were in Mystic. It very much is the Saint Michael’s of 
Long Island Sound (or vice versa), well worth seeing for the boats and shopping 
too if you are so inclined. Mystic Pizza is cool, but pizza can only be so 
good, it isn’t like 20 times better than non-movie pizza.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 12:40 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: Long Island sound

 

The Thimbles in Branford, CT are all privately owned so no going ashore, and 
the current can be strong when the tides change, causing boats and anchor rodes 
to become entangled.  A kellet or weight to keep your rode below keel and 
rudder can help.   

 

North of Charles Island in Milford, CT is a nice anchorage.  There are a couple 
marinas up in Milford if you want to tie up, go to shops, etc.   Have never 
been. 

 

North of Northport – Long Island  [just south of the 4 stacks] is also a nice 
anchorage, long trip in though fairly well protected.  

 

Oyster Bay is another good spot.  Can anchor, grab a town mooring, or stop at 
Seawanhaka Corinthian YC if you have reciprocal.  Sagamore Hill [Teddy 
Roosevelt’s home] is on top of the eastern shore of Oyster Bay.  Believe best 
access is in to the Oyster Bay marina in town a take a taxi / uber.  West 
Harbor is shallow: 7’ – 8’.  I draw 7’ so never been in there.  

 

September is the best month for LIS so your timing is perfect.  

 

Brian

 

From: rockland bazemore via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 12:18 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: rockland bazemore mailto:rockybazem...@gmail.com> 
>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Long Island sound

 

Hey Joel, I think the Thimble Islands on the CT coast are pretty neat. We also 
loved going up to Essex on the CT river. The Griswold Inn there has a fantastic 
sea shanty night.  Northport is a nice little town. Oyster bay has a couple 
nice anchorages. Ziegler's Cove is a pretty anchorage as well.

Hylas hm nice! Have a great time.

 

 

-- 

Rockland Bazemore

S/V Blue Pearl

C 37/40+

Annapolis, MD

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Stus-List 1984 C 37 CB version question

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I see one for sale for a pretty reasonable price and it will get into my slip.

Is there some problem with this year/model over and above the generic things 
that can happen to all boats?

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List last chance CNG gear

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

 

I have a regulator and an adapter to fill a tank from a car CNG station.

I also have a tank with a fresh hydro, the tank *might leak* at the valve. The 
shop put more better tape on it, but I have not filled it to test it and 
probably won’t seeing as I have propane now.

$20 to the list and shipping and these things could be yours. I also have an 
entire CNG stove if someone wants to pay to have it shipped.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Atomic 4 reversing - help, help

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I would think about an oil change and use oil designed for motorcycles with a 
wet clutch and see if that helps.

 

Joe

Coquina

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Stus-List Re: need age-reversing machine ASAP! Or a boat expander!

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

My original plan was to go in the port side and around that way to the 
starboard side. Turns out I would have to take the fuel hoses off and avoid the 
SSB ground too, kind of a pain.

I am almost there, I need to get one or two more fittings on to support the 
hose and then I am around to the access port in the stern.

BTW, I know someone with a spider monkey. I would not trust him with any power 
tools! Actually not even non-power tools.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List  
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2023 9:19 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Doug Mountjoy 
Subject: Stus-List Re: need age-reversing machine ASAP! Or a boat expander!

 

I'm looking for a trained spider monkey for the jobs where I don't fit. LOL. 

Douglas Mountjoy
1988 C LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA


 

On Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 14:40 Neil Gallagher via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Joe,

Funny you should bring that up, as I've just made several trips back to the 
transom down the port side to replace the exhaust hose.  I must say it took me 
a bit of doing, had to remove the fuel fill and blower hoses, just barely fit 
through the opening, but with strategic twists and turns I made it.  i share 
your sense of "shrinking", I could have done that easy a while back.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 7/23/2023 12:11 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:

I am running the propane hose for my new stove down the starboard side of the 
boat, which is requiring me to crawl back to the stern under/beside the aft 
cockpit. My memory of working back there was I just crawled in and back out. 
Turns out to not be that easy, I had to take the engine control cables and 
bilge pump hoses off their fittings and I still can just barely sort of do it. 
When I was a teenager I fit just fine. Did the boat shrink? Can I expand it? 
Did I “opposite of shrink”? 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

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Stus-List need age-reversing machine ASAP! Or a boat expander!

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I am running the propane hose for my new stove down the starboard side of the 
boat, which is requiring me to crawl back to the stern under/beside the aft 
cockpit. My memory of working back there was I just crawled in and back out. 
Turns out to not be that easy, I had to take the engine control cables and 
bilge pump hoses off their fittings and I still can just barely sort of do it. 
When I was a teenager I fit just fine. Did the boat shrink? Can I expand it? 
Did I “opposite of shrink”? 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Force 10 Stove

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

It is going up just forward of the bulkhead aft of the stove  and then will run 
horizontal aft at the top of that storage area outboard of the icebox and then 
to the stern.

A quick test with my adapter and a one-pound grill bottle shows all is well, 
now I need to get the tank mount set up.

I REALLY should have foamed in a 1” conduit instead of trapping the old CNG 
line………..if only I had a time machine back to about 1988 or so…..”Hey DUMMY! 
You might one day want another hose in there!”

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2023 4:14 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Force 10 Stove

 

Joe,

 

Can you run under the stove then up the forward side between the stove and the 
forward half bulkhead?  I might not be visualizing accurately.

--

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 1:45 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

It FITS

Yeah!!

The side mounts are EXACTLY right. The only part that needs changing is the 
hole where the gimbal lock goes, I need to drill it about ¾” forward of where 
it is now. I am so relieved 

One issue I am not sure about is the sliding board that goes over the stove. I 
had to run the propane hose straight up, going besides the icebox is not 
possible because I foamed that all in about 20 years ago. That board will 
contact the hose when retracted. I have though about cutting a little half 
circle relief in it or just not using it. The cutting board from the old stove 
will work if I cut about ½” off the outboard edge and it looks nice.

Note to Force 10 owners: The sparker is very fiddly. Some voltmeter sleuthing 
uncovered the fact the battery holder cap needs to be screwed on just so or the 
negative side of the battery does not make contact. Speaking of, I bought some 
AA lithiums so I don’t have to climb under the stove and swap it out anytime 
soon.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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-- 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

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Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I know this is like the 5th time I have posted this – get a fuel pressure 
gauge! I went about insane diagnosing shutdowns until I did so and uncovered 
things I could never have figured out otherwise.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: David Knecht via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2023 1:18 PM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

 

As I have thought about this and tried to come up with a cause, another data 
point occurred to me about the sequence of events.   The stall has happened on 
3 occasions on three different days in the last few weeks and not on 5-6 other 
occasions under similar conditions.  In each of the cases where the engine 
stalled, it always happened within the first minute after starting the engine.  
In each case, the engine started and then stalled several times ( run for about 
10 seconds then stall, repeat 2-3 times) and then after waiting a few minutes, 
it started and ran fine for extended periods.  Those symptoms seem like limited 
fuel getting to the engine causing the stall, but I don’t see how they can be 
fuel filter related.  But I realize that I always left the key switch on and 
thus the fuel pump running between start attempts.  Any way they could be fuel 
pump related in the sense of it running for a while (warming up or purging air) 
while waiting to restart? Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT








On Jun 28, 2023, at 8:53 PM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

David,

This may be a long shot, but on a Universal M3-20B that I installed on a club 
launch, and I think all Universals, the fuel pump gets its power under normal 
running conditions via an oil pressure switch.  When starting the engine, the 
glow plug switch energizes the electric fuel pump in addition to the glow plugs 
(you can hear it clicking when you press the glow plug switch), but once the 
oil pressure rises it closes the oil pressure switch and keeps the fuel pump 
running when you let up on the glow plug switch.  Incidentally the reason you 
hear the pump running after you shut the engine off is that it takes a few 
seconds for the oil pressure to drop to the point where the switch opens. 

I ran in to a problem with that engine when sludge got in to the connection to 
the oil pressure switch and kept it from closing properly, and thus the fuel 
pump intermittently stopped running and stalled the engine. Until I found the 
real problem I put a relay powered by the engine on/off key switch that powered 
the fuel pump directly, but when I flushed the oil switch a few times it cured 
the problem.

Not sure how relevant this may be to your issues, but may be of interest.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 6/27/2023 12:45 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:

So I am back to my engine problem hoping someone can help clarify things.  I 
have had the engine quit several more times, but with no consistency as to when 
or why it happens. We were on a cruise recently and used it often and for long 
periods going in and out of harbors.  Mostly it worked fine but had it stall 
several times: start and run for a few minutes, then stall, restart then stall, 
restart then stall, then run fine for 20 min or more.  This happened in two 
separate situations a few days apart but no stall several other times.  In all 
cases, it has eventually restarted and ran for extended periods.  These 
intermittent problems are the hardest to diagnose in my experience.  This seems 
most likely to be a fuel related issue so now I am trying to fully understand 
the fuel system. 

 

I installed a Racor 500 unit last summer with a T-handle vacuum gauge on top.  
Fuel goes from the tank, through the shutoff lever to the Racor, then to the 
fuel pump, then to the secondary and on to the engine.  If I understand this 
correctly, the gauge on the Racor unit will measure restriction in the fuel 
flow upstream of the gauge, ie the primary (30 µm in my case). I know the 
gauge works because if you partially shut off the fuel lever, you see the gauge 
gradually increase in vacuum reading.  But it seems that it will not tell you 
if the secondary is plugged. 

 

1. I don’t see how the secondary (10 µm in my case) could be plugged if the 
primary is fine but I guess not impossible.   My temptation is to replace the 
secondary since the primary is not showing any sign of being plugged (from the 
gauge), but I don’t see how this could lead to an infrequent intermittent stall.

2.  Fuel pump problem (loose wire etc.)?  You can hear the fuel pump running 
when the engine is off and I have never heard it stop or pause.  Can fuel pumps 
fail like this?  Can that lead to an intermittent stall?

3.  Air getting into fuel line- seems possible, but I don’t see how that can be 
the cause if the engine runs for an hour continuously once restarted.

 

Any ideas welcome!  Dave

 

S/V Aries

Stus-List Re: Force 10 Stove

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

It FITS

Yeah!!

The side mounts are EXACTLY right. The only part that needs changing is the 
hole where the gimbal lock goes, I need to drill it about ¾” forward of where 
it is now. I am so relieved 

One issue I am not sure about is the sliding board that goes over the stove. I 
had to run the propane hose straight up, going besides the icebox is not 
possible because I foamed that all in about 20 years ago. That board will 
contact the hose when retracted. I have though about cutting a little half 
circle relief in it or just not using it. The cutting board from the old stove 
will work if I cut about ½” off the outboard edge and it looks nice.

Note to Force 10 owners: The sparker is very fiddly. Some voltmeter sleuthing 
uncovered the fact the battery holder cap needs to be screwed on just so or the 
negative side of the battery does not make contact. Speaking of, I bought some 
AA lithiums so I don’t have to climb under the stove and swap it out anytime 
soon.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Anyone need CNG parts

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I am installing a propane stove and have a CNG regulator, stove, and tank fill 
adapter that will be surplus to requirements. I also have the tank itself with 
a fresh inspection. I am a bit hesitant to send this tank to anyone, so far 
twice now the shop has put the valve on without enough Teflon tape and it 
leaked. The 3rd time may be the charm, but maybe not, I haven’t picked it up 
yet. 

Pay shipping and a Stu donation if you are interested in some or all of it. 
Shipping won’t be cheap for the entire stove or tank, but the regulator and 
fill adapter won’t be bad.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

On a gasoline powered engine the oil pressure switch is a vital safety device, 
if you don’t have it and the engine stalls or you just leave the key on, a 
leaky float valve will have your entire fuel tank pumped into the bilge. I 
suspect it carried over in some ABYC reg into diesels.

I have solved a couple frustrating issues on my boat with a fuel pressure 
gauge. I would think about installing a pressure gauge on the output side of 
the lift/low pressure pump on any engine, gas or diesel. Mine is electric and 
is mounted in the cockpit, it lights up a red alarm light when the fuel 
pressure is below 1 PSI.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 12:00 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Neil Gallagher ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

 

On my Universal M4-30, things work differently.  The fuel pump is energized 
when you turn on the key switch, so that ticking starts before starting the 
engine and doesn't stop until you turn off the key switch.  I think this is a 
better way to operate the system and I don't understand why anyone would 
interlock a fuel pump to the glowplug button and the oil pressure switch.  Too 
complicated and unecessary.   

  

  

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute, 1989 C 34R Annapolis 

  

  

  

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Stus-List Re: Force 10 Stove

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Thanks!

Also found them on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09VW5DRY6/ref=twister_B09XKNX9ZG?_encoding=UTF8 
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09VW5DRY6/ref=twister_B09XKNX9ZG?_encoding=UTF8=1>
 =1

That looks about perfect 

 

 

From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 11:48 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Doug Mountjoy 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Force 10 Stove

 

Joe, 

Fisheries Supply carries the 1.4 gal tall thin tanks, and the fancy mount. I 
just finished converting my Sabre to propane. One thing is, only one connection 
inside the boat at the stove. I mounted the regulator and solenoid valve under 
a stern pulpit seat. Teed in a hose to the grill also. 

On my LF39 I get a few  months out of a 2.5 gallon bottle of full time use. 

Douglas Mountjoy
1988 C LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA


 

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 06:35 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I have no propane locker. I am probably going to strap a tank on the stern 
rail. I need to find those little tall and thin aluminum tanks. No way am I 
going around with a 20 pound steel grill tank hanging off there, that is too 
low budget even for me!

I may actually try a little torch tank and see how long it lasts. We do all the 
cooking we can on the outside grill anyway to not heat up the cabin.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

 

 

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 9:24 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Force 10 Stove

 

Hi Joe

 

What was your plan for a propane locker?  Boats with CNG systems tend not to 
have one

 

In our case CNG is easy to source but certifying the tanks is nearly impossible

 

Mike

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: June 15, 2023 10:15 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
Subject: Stus-List Force 10 Stove

 

Does the standard American size Force 10 3-burner stove fit the C 35 MK I?

I would assume it does, but want to check.

I am thinking of going from CNG to propane, CNG is very hard to source now in 
most places.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

DCSI

410-966-7255

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Force 10 Stove

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Missed the part about the cert – I got the local dive shop to send mine off for 
hydro. It came back and now it LEAKS around the valve. Drain gas, reseal valve, 
fill it again, and it still leaks ☹

I am a lot more annoyed with the wasted time back and forth than the $4 worth 
of wasted gas.  The shop is trying now for the third time but the did mention 
the tank is decades old and been in salt air the whole time.

(also my mother was like why is a bubbling tank in my swimming pool and why 
does it stink)

Joe

 

 

 

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 9:24 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Force 10 Stove

 

Hi Joe

 

What was your plan for a propane locker?  Boats with CNG systems tend not to 
have one

 

In our case CNG is easy to source but certifying the tanks is nearly impossible

 

Mike

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: June 15, 2023 10:15 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
Subject: Stus-List Force 10 Stove

 

Does the standard American size Force 10 3-burner stove fit the C 35 MK I?

I would assume it does, but want to check.

I am thinking of going from CNG to propane, CNG is very hard to source now in 
most places.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

DCSI

410-966-7255

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Force 10 Stove

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I have no propane locker. I am probably going to strap a tank on the stern 
rail. I need to find those little tall and thin aluminum tanks. No way am I 
going around with a 20 pound steel grill tank hanging off there, that is too 
low budget even for me!

I may actually try a little torch tank and see how long it lasts. We do all the 
cooking we can on the outside grill anyway to not heat up the cabin.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

 

 

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 9:24 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Force 10 Stove

 

Hi Joe

 

What was your plan for a propane locker?  Boats with CNG systems tend not to 
have one

 

In our case CNG is easy to source but certifying the tanks is nearly impossible

 

Mike

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: June 15, 2023 10:15 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
Subject: Stus-List Force 10 Stove

 

Does the standard American size Force 10 3-burner stove fit the C 35 MK I?

I would assume it does, but want to check.

I am thinking of going from CNG to propane, CNG is very hard to source now in 
most places.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

DCSI

410-966-7255

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Force 10 Stove

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

My current stove clears the hatch *just barely*. Need to take a measurement or 
two!

 

From: Chris Riedinger via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 9:20 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Chris Riedinger 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Force 10 Stove

 

Just swapped an older force10 for a newer one in our 37/40+ 

 

I found out the tightest measurement most have is the companionway - check that 
in addition to the hole the stove needs to go into 

 

Best of luck

 

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 6:15 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Does the standard American size Force 10 3-burner stove fit the C 35 MK I?

I would assume it does, but want to check.

I am thinking of going from CNG to propane, CNG is very hard to source now in 
most places.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

DCSI

410-966-7255

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Finally we have launched for the season!

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Gorgeous!

(Now my wife is bugging me to paint our boat)

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: New Batteries Last Time I Buy Lead

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

True, but they are longer end-to-end and do not fit where the 4D goes. I
have glassed in supports sized to the 4D.  I would definitely have done that
and saved my back if they fit.

Also three group 24s fit into an 8D box if you have one.

 

Joe

Coquina 

 

 

From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 10:05 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Re: New Batteries Last Time I Buy Lead

 

2 type 31 AGM batts will give you 200 amps and are far easier to move than
the 4D 

 

Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> 

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From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 6:54:07 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>  mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> >
Subject: Stus-List New Batteries Last Time I Buy Lead 

 

I have been trying to put off buying new batteries until I can rewire for
Lithium, but that was not to be. My last sail saw the house battery drop to
about 12.4 volts an hour off shore power and the engine battery struggles
with a cold engine.

To my surprise, the local West Marine in Annapolis started carrying Odyssey
batteries. I got a 4D Odyssey that uses their pure lead thin plate
technology. This is basically an AGM, but is supposed to have a longer
lifespan and charge faster than the conventional version. The West Marine
branded batteries are really East-Penn Deka batteries. The Deka AGMs are
only "OK", not great. I was really happy to see WM branching out a bit. For
the start battery I decided to risk a battery made out of Chinenesium, if it
dies I am not out a lot of money nor is it hard to change out.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07K6Z3VZ2?psc=1
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07K6Z3VZ2?psc=1=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_detai
ls> =ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

There are a lot of U1 size AGMs on Amazon, most of them seem to be around
150-170 CCA. This one is 320 CCA, which is plenty for me, the A4 starter
draws about 130 amps.

 

I am 100% sure the next house battery I buy will be lithium, getting a 120
pound battery into it's spot was a huge PITA. Right now the tech is just not
there on the cheap end. The "drop in" batteries really are no such thing.
They might not blow up or catch on fire, but they may have a vey short
lifespan depending on exactly what they get dropped in to. Even worse is
when on a dark and stormy night the BMS decides to cut off all your power
for some random reason.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List New Batteries Last Time I Buy Lead

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I have been trying to put off buying new batteries until I can rewire for 
Lithium, but that was not to be. My last sail saw the house battery drop to 
about 12.4 volts an hour off shore power and the engine battery struggles with 
a cold engine.

To my surprise, the local West Marine in Annapolis started carrying Odyssey 
batteries. I got a 4D Odyssey that uses their pure lead thin plate technology. 
This is basically an AGM, but is supposed to have a longer lifespan and charge 
faster than the conventional version. The West Marine branded batteries are 
really East-Penn Deka batteries. The Deka AGMs are only “OK”, not great. I was 
really happy to see WM branching out a bit. For the start battery I decided to 
risk a battery made out of Chinenesium, if it dies I am not out a lot of money 
nor is it hard to change out.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07K6Z3VZ2?psc=1 
 
=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

There are a lot of U1 size AGMs on Amazon, most of them seem to be around 
150-170 CCA. This one is 320 CCA, which is plenty for me, the A4 starter draws 
about 130 amps.

 

I am 100% sure the next house battery I buy will be lithium, getting a 120 
pound battery into it’s spot was a huge PITA. Right now the tech is just not 
there on the cheap end. The “drop in” batteries really are no such thing. They 
might not blow up or catch on fire, but they may have a vey short lifespan 
depending on exactly what they get dropped in to. Even worse is when on a dark 
and stormy night the BMS decides to cut off all your power for some random 
reason.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Universal Westerbeke Tachometer/Hour Meter

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

https://www.moyermarineforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11410 

 =tachometer

 

Here you go: This is a short thread on hooking it up and making a diesel tach 
work on an Atomic 4. The eBay link still works. 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2023 8:27 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Universal Westerbeke Tachometer/Hour Meter

 

I have a Chinese knockoff of that tack I got for $32 on Fleabay and so far, so 
good.

Joe

Coquina

 

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 8:23 PM
To: CnClist mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Universal Westerbeke Tachometer/Hour Meter

 

Well, I pulled Touche's engine panel today and lo and behold, the label on the 
tach says Datcon 71725-00.  So don't pay $350 for the Westerbeke part when you 
can order the same part for $150,

 

--

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 8:06 PM Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Well, gosh darn.  Touche's engine hour meter died (or went to sleep).  Engine 
is Universal 25XPB.  Boat is in yard 4 hours away so I'm just probing around 
the web for options.

 

First, it may be repairable.  Might just be a poor connection.  I probably 
won't tackle it until I get the boat back to its home slip in Louisiana in a 
couple weeks.  An hour meter isn't that critical.  However, on the chance that 
it isn't repairable, I have two options.  

 

First, install a stand alone waterproof hour meter.  Cost $20-40 depending on 
selection and another hole in the bulkhead.

 

Second, replace the tachometer/hour meter.  Did that once already.  Here's 
where it gets interesting.  It's Westerbeke part 011917.  Typical online price 
is about $340 US.

 

https://westerbeke.com/Product/METER/011917?productname=METER 

 =54202996DAF73B1CA82D59C6

 

So I Googled "tachometer/hour meter" and probed around.  Guess what?  A Datcon 
71725-00 tach/hour meter for about 1/3 of Westerbeke's price.  Looks identical. 
 Spec says data source is alternator which I believe the 25XPB is.  Here's the 
tach:

 

https://vehiclecontrols.com/shopping/shop700/products1/453057044-71725-00-datcon-tachometer-with-hourmeter-4000rpm/

 

Very interesting.  Could this be the same tach?  3 3/8" hole.  Next time I'm on 
the boat, I'll verify the diameter and alternator data sensor.  If I can't 
repair it, I'll replace it with the Datcon.  Anybody know why I shouldn't?


 

 

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Stus-List Record Low Price for 35? O

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

https://easternshore.craigslist.org/boa/d/neavitt-1971-cc-35-mk/7608671741.html

1971 C 35 Mk I - $3,900 (Neavitt) 

 

I wonder how bad the boat is? Isn’t that less than the scrap value of the lead?

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Mine has never chafed through, I replace it when it looks scroungy.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Bruno Lachance via CnC-List  
Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2023 12:43 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bruno Lachance 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

 

Dave, I have the same vintage more square shape toe rail profile . But with cow 
hitch around it there is not a lot of movement/friction. I don’t use my netting 
as a hammock!  

 

Dyneema would sure be nice and durable, more slippery so the knots will slip a 
bit more. I have redone my lifeline with gray dyneema and love it so far after 
3 seasons. I do my best to prevent chafe.

Bruno Lachance





Le 2 avr. 2023 à 11:08, David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > a écrit :

 On the 34+, the perforated aluminum toe rail has relatively sharp edges.  It 
cuts through my cover ties every winter, so I suspect it would do the same to 
nylon line wrapped through it.  That is why I am looking into dyneema netting.  
I am surprised yours has lasted 10 years with paracord.  What are you wrapping 
around at deck level?  Dave 

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT











On Apr 2, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

I have used black paracord. Looks like new after 10 years. Northern climate. 

 

Bruno Lachance 

Bécassine 33-2

New-Richmond, Qc

Envoyé de mon iPhone





Le 2 avr. 2023 à 06:48, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > a écrit :

 

What line would you suggest would be best for a lifeline net?  Leechline?  
Lashing cord?  Paracord? 

 

Chuck S

On 03/31/2023 10:14 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Here is what mine looks like:

http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/net.jpg

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

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Here is what mine looks like:

http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/net.jpg

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

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I made my own netting my weaving line between the toe rail and the lower 
lifelines and then the lowers to the uppers. It works WAY better than the net 
material.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 4:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

 

I agree that netting would be relatively useless for an adult--I installed 
similar netting I got from Defender/West Marine/? to prevent my toddler 
grandkids (or dogs) from going under the lifelines and for that it was a good 
solution. 

 

OTOH, the version I bought (already made up in certain lengths) was a real PITA 
to install (or remove). After one season, or part of one, I ditched them and 
went with PFDs, jacklines and tethers plus a few threats of harm if I ever saw 
a grandkid of appropriate age going anywhere out of the cockpit without being 
attached. 

 

Charlie

Water Phantom



-Original Message-
From: Dave S via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> 
>; virb...@cogeco.ca  ; Dave S mailto:syerd...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Tue, Mar 28, 2023 3:36 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

Fwiw I don’t think the netting would be of much use in protecting an adult.  
Good for sails, 

Maybe pekineses.

I had  custom Jacklines made by a company called cargo trade supply, and I pin 
them through the toerail with carabiners.  In the material handling trade the 
Jackline it’s called a sling, has a certified load rating and costs a fraction 
of the nautical equivalent.  This blog post has pics, including an overly 
clever attachment scheme.   Now I simply push the loop through the toerail, and 
clip a carabiner through the loop. 

 

http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2016/08/quest-for-jacklines.html?m=1

 

I have good quality tethers and pfds.All pfds have integral harnesses.  

Not sure we could do much more.  

 

Dave - 33-2 

Windstar 

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 28, 2023, at 12:36 PM, Barry McKee via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:



A PFD safety harness, tether and jackline might be a better alternative.

 

Barry McKee

Discovery II

Burlington, ON

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: 28-Mar-23 2:03 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

 

I find it very useful to keep dogs, kids, and sails on deck. An adult is much 
more likely to go over the top.

Joe

Coquina

 

From: David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 1:46 PM
To: CnC CnC discussion list mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Lifeline safety netting

 

Since I sail often single/double handed, I am thinking about adding lifeline 
safety netting to my boat.  It seems like it might be useful to prevent rolling 
off the deck into the water (ie. death).  Never having fallen off a boat, I am 
not sure if it is really worth it and if there are many scenarios where these 
might prevent disaster.  Does anyone have experience about the pro/cons of 
doing this?  Thanks- Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

If anyone wants to see the legroom issue:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d1/8e/68/d18e688ecd6376fa5193ec514bf71c38.jpg

JDB

 

From: John Conklin via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 11:20 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; John Conklin 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

 

I looked at the Caliber 40 Collision Bulkhead ++  The Tankage is good on the
LRC Calibers++  but at 6'2" no way I fit in the side facing Nav station
where your feet are up on the curved part of the hull. Totally uncomfortable
for me at this important cruising seat.  If it didn't have that issue I
would probably select Caliber over the Island packet.

 

John Conklin

 

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 11:14 AM
To: 'Stus-List' <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

 

I worked on both of them back in the day. The IP series are all full keel
boats with barn door rudders. They can be quite the pain to get into a slip
in a cramped marina. The one on my pier can just barely do it WITH a bow
thruster.

The Calibre boats are long-ish fin keel boats with skeg-hung rudders. In my
mind they are way closer to a Valiant 40 inspired boat than an IP.

YMMV 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 11:08 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >; Neil Andersen
mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

 

Joe,

 

I didn't say they were bad, just knock-offs.  In the mid40's+, the IP's
seemed well suited for serious travel and quite a number have
circumnavigated the world. There lack of balsa wood fiberglass laminate
material avoids a lot of trouble in the South Pacific 

 

Neil Andersen, W3NEA 

Rock Hall, MD 21661

484-354-8800



From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 10:56:54 AM
To: Stus-List < <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe < <mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions 

 

I disagree. I knew someone with a Caliber 40 LRC and I really liked the
boat. Not a race boat at all, but a faster boat and better laid out for
offshore than an Island Packet.

As for the Landfall 43s, the biggest issue with them is that there are very
few for sale anywhere in the world. You do not have a lot to choose from.

 

Joe

Coquina

 

BTW - there is a  very well equipped Landfall 38 for sale here if anyone is
interested.

 

From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:50 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Neil Andersen mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

 

Caliber's are Island Packet knock-offs

 

Neil Andersen, W3NEA 

Rock Hall, MD 21661

484-354-8800



From: Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:48:14 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions 

 

Looked at a Caliber 40 LRC?

 

-- 

Dennis C. 

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I worked on both of them back in the day. The IP series are all full keel
boats with barn door rudders. They can be quite the pain to get into a slip
in a cramped marina. The one on my pier can just barely do it WITH a bow
thruster.

The Calibre boats are long-ish fin keel boats with skeg-hung rudders. In my
mind they are way closer to a Valiant 40 inspired boat than an IP.

YMMV 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 11:08 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe ; Neil Andersen

Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions

 

Joe,

 

I didn't say they were bad, just knock-offs.  In the mid40's+, the IP's
seemed well suited for serious travel and quite a number have
circumnavigated the world. There lack of balsa wood fiberglass laminate
material avoids a lot of trouble in the South Pacific 

 

Neil Andersen, W3NEA 

Rock Hall, MD 21661

484-354-8800

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From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 10:56:54 AM
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Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Landfall 43 opinions 

 

I disagree. I knew someone with a Caliber 40 LRC and I really liked the
boat. Not a race boat at all, but a faster boat and better laid out for
offshore than an Island Packet.

As for the Landfall 43s, the biggest issue with them is that there are very
few for sale anywhere in the world. You do not have a lot to choose from.

 

Joe

Coquina

 

BTW - there is a  very well equipped Landfall 38 for sale here if anyone is
interested.

 

From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:50 PM
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Cc: Neil Andersen mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

 

Caliber's are Island Packet knock-offs

 

Neil Andersen, W3NEA 

Rock Hall, MD 21661

484-354-8800

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Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:48:14 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions 

 

Looked at a Caliber 40 LRC?

 

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Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

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Stus-List Re: Anyone need an Atomic 4?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

https://www.moyermarineforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12356

 

It is in Maine per the thread.

 

From: james taylor via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2023 7:34 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: james taylor 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Anyone need an Atomic 4?

 

Joe, Where is the engine?

James Taylor

Delaney C 38

Oriental, NC

 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 11:27 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

This one sounds decent and the price is realistic too.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
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Stus-List Re: Furling Sail C 35 Mk I

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

My post about this from last June:

“The UV cover on my genoa is starting to fail, so I took it to Bacons to get 
repaired. I figured 5 or 6 boat bucks maybe. Well I figured wrong, the estimate 
came back at $1350! Yikes!

Are they nuts or is this the going rate now? That seems like a pretty good 
chunk of an entire sail!”

 

That included about $375 worth of repairs, but still at about $1000 for the UV 
strip I think it was double the last time I had that job done.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Furling Sail C 35 Mk I

 

North Sails used to make a jib sock to put over a roller furled jib.  I’m 
curious if the lofts still offer it.  I know the one in Annapolis used to make 
them.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

 

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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

Don, 

 

You mentioned that you replaced the sun cover on your furling sail. 

 

I am interested at the costs, as when I tried last year, I couldn't find a 
solution that was cost effective. The costs of replacing the sun cover (and I 
wanted just a  

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Stus-List Re: Furling Sail C 35 Mk I

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My advice is to go small. I think mine is around 130-135%. That works for a 
wide range of wind going upwind and heavier air downwind. I pop the chute for 
light air off the wind.

You only get so much range of furling before the sail doesn’t set right. 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 3:14 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Furling Sail C 35 Mk I

 

Getting a dacron furling sail.  I have a 155% percent racing sail but often use 
my 135% furling sail (dacron) with foam luff.  Thoughts from the C 35 Mk 
I/II?   

 

The furling sail is also my main headsail for normal cruising (lazy Sundays). 

 

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Stus-List Re: Racing at night

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Not a joke – been doing that for ages now.

joe

 

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Not sure if Stu is kidding but that is brilliant.  

 

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Racing at night 

 

I’ll repeat my night racing advice – toss a glowstick in the icebox. This stops 
people turning on the cabin lights to read the labels on the beer cans and 
blinding the on-deck crew 

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Racing at night

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I’ll repeat my night racing advice – toss a glowstick in the icebox. This stops 
people turning on the cabin lights to read the labels on the beer cans and 
blinding the on-deck crew 

 

 

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This one sounds decent and the price is realistic too.

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[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

 

 

http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/shorepower.htm

 

My shore power seems OK, but the heater cord could be better I think.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

 

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Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

 

http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/shorepower.htm

 

My shore power seems OK, but the heater cord could be better I think.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

 

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Stus-List Re: CnC 44 mounting genset

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

You may want to expand your list to the C Landfall 43. They had generators as 
a factory option, so they definitely have room.

You also may want to think about if you need a genset at all. With modern 
charging, solar, and battery systems, the only real need for one now is air 
conditioning when on the hook.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: David NCW via CnC-List  
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2022 8:17 PM
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Cc: David NCW 
Subject: Stus-List CnC 44 mounting genset

 

Hi my first post, I hope it is to the right place.  I really like the CnC 44.  
Is on the short list of my retirement boat candidates.  Is there a good spot to 
mount a small diesel Genset?

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Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

FYI:

With the neutral feed disconnected, unless by random chance the loads on the
two legs of the dock are equal, some boats will get a lot less than 120
volts and some a lot more.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Thanksgiving Temperatures

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I got in a nice sail today and actually got hot for a bit when the wind died 
down 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Anode Question

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Also https://www.westmarine.com/martyr-clamp-on-grouper-anodes-P000485144.html 
if you want to drive instead of order it/

 

That will save you some cold water swimming. 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

 

From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2022 10:07 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Ken Heaton 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Anode Question

 

Defender (and others) sell those pre-made.

 

https://www.defender.com/search.html?q=Zin040A

 

Ken H.

 

On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 at 09:45, Danny Haughey via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi Guys,

 

So, I'm leaving the boat in the water this winter (thanks to all who responded 
to that earlier question), and I need to replace the anode or, add one somehow. 
 I was thinking maybe I could attach a wire somewhere and dangle the an anode 
over the side, attached to the wire.  I think it might be too cold for a diver 
at this point.

 

Or, if anyone knows of a diver that could do the job in Portsmouth RI, that 
would be great too.  I did call one that the yard gave me but, he didn't return 
the call.

 

Thanks In advance for any suggestions.

 

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Stus-List Re: 35 MK I Mainsheet and Vang

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

The reason we have big strong 4:1 mainsheet as a preventer is lost in time. Now 
the spring boom vang is on, I can snug it down from the cockpit for the vang 
part of the equation, all the preventer has to do is prevent 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 11:05 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Stus-List Re: 35 MK I Mainsheet and Vang

 

The preventer setup describe is exactly what we used on the boat we sailed back 
from Maui to Victoria this summer. The control lines for the spin pole were 
also used for preventer, one on each side. The preventer lines ran along the 
boom and were stored at a cleat on the boom near the gooseneck when not in use. 
Simply uncleat, attach to the end of the spin control line, and you then had 
preventer control in the cockpit. We didn't get much chance to use it during 
the mostly upwind crossing, but when we did, it worked well and minimized the 
need to go on deck. 




--

Shawn Wright

shawngwri...@gmail.com  

S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35

https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto

 

 

On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 8:29 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

The first test of the 4:1 mainsheet was a resounding success, it works great in 
light/medium air. I still need to grab the 6:1, I can see this being beyond my 
strength in heavy air. This brings up a new issue, the preventer. Since what 
was my preventer is now my mainsheet, I did not have a preventer and really 
hate running wing and wing without one. I rigged up a temporary solution 
running a line from the boom to a block on the rail and back to the cockpit. 
That worked fine and was IMHO a lot safer to deal with than releasing a 
preventer by going on deck and getting if off the boom. I could have rigged 
lines to both sides and had it set for either tack from the cockpit.
So has anyone rigged a preventer system like that you don't need to be up on 
deck to use?
Has anyone just forgotten about it and used a boom brake instead? I have 
figure-8 stainless boom brake device I have not ever got around to rigging.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina

Stus-List plotters in general

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Most nav programs will give you a projected course line. Some of them are 
infinite and some have controls for time or miles ahead. These are incredibly 
useful, you get your actual COG including leeway and current, not which 
direction the bow is pointed. OpenCPN also gives you range rings, I usually 
have two at ¼ and ½ miles.

This stuff is not unique to Navionics, all my programs do this one way or the 
other. I can set up routes with their various displays too and feed an 
autopilot if I had one from this century, but I kind of like staying in the 
loop more and adjusting things based on eyeballing the chart display and the 
actual environment. That isn’t to say I never use a route, but I am not 
addicted to them like a couple of people I know that basically can’t get to the 
fuel dock without one.

Why a “real plotter” is still worthwhile:

Leaving my slip Saturday the computer decided for some random reason not to 
recognize the USB>Serial port and the iPad decided not to feed UDP data to 
Aquamap. A restart fixed the iPad and a little screwing around fixed the 
laptop. Meanwhile the old and primitive plotter at the helm fired right up with 
a waterproof sunlight readable screen and I can operate it with saltwater 
soaked fingers no problem. 

Meanwhile I deleted Navionics off my devices, the company changeover made it so 
I couldn’t even get past the account screen and see old charts, I needed to set 
up a new account online. THAT would have been a nasty surprise if it was the 
only tool I had and I was offshore!

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

 

Stus-List Re: Blocks under forward most keel bolt material?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

You can take the forward nut off the keel bolt, or any ONE nut for that
matter, and the keel isn't coming off. The issue is that doing it in the
water can cause water ingress, which may screw up your epoxy plans.
I would also put a hose around the bolt or similar to keep from epoxying the
threads.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA




-Original Message-
From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List  
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 5:35 PM
To: steven.hickel--- via CnC-List 
Cc: Neil Gallagher 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Blocks under forward most keel bolt material?

Steven,

Pretty sure you don't risk having the keel fall off without the forward
bolt, as I said I have plans that show only the six larger bolts.  I'll try
to get a scan of the large print to put on a Google drive.  Appears to me an
after the fact addition to address the smile.


My mast step had about a 3" bow in the center when I went at it, if I
tightened the shrouds it just bowed some more.  I didn't have any choice but
to do something with, really.
I used 1/2" and 3/4" fiberglass board for the vertical suppots, for
instance:
https://www.mcmaster.com/fiberglass-boards/structural-frp-fiberglass-sheets-
bars-and-strips/thickness~1-2/length~24/width~24-1/ 

Bit of a PITA to work with, found the best way to cut it is with a jig saw
using diamond grit masonry blades, but it beats laying up boards.
And actually I used a piece of the the above board under the layup of the
mast step, at the bottom it was narrow enough to fit one piece in that spans
the sump, then layed up the cloth/resin on top of it. Believe it or not, I
used 27 layers in a single layup, just to get the height, was quite a trick
in 85deg summer heat.  I'm sure you could use fewer layers.  And yes, each
layer landed on the side of the hull adjacent to the span over the sump,
just a small tab.

I think you could cut that little strip of fiberglass over the bolt, it's
not structural, just holds up the covering boards.  Not sure I follow you
about dropping the sole, do you mean in way of the step and keel bolt?

And I'll contact you off list, be interested seeing the boat if possible.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

Stus-List Re: Navionics

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Unless it improved recently, the Navionics display of AIS targets is about 20 
years behind everyone else’s. If you don’t care about that it is a decent 
program.

I have been using Aquamap and SeaIQ on the i-things and OpenCPN on the computer.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 1:47 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Navionics

 

I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products.  But I saw 
Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. 

 

I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and 
Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell 
phone and a future tablet.  I think it's well worth the price as I can plan 
routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always 
with me, no matter what boat I'm on.  

 

I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated.

 

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Magothy River, Md

Stus-List Re: Blocks under forward most keel bolt material?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I cut out a larger opening in the floor to work on the mast step, I didn't
see how to do it otherwise.
The access to that forward bolt is not easy, trying to grind down there will
be quite the challenge if I have to get into it and no way is my new mast
coming out. On the good side I bet you could remove that forward bolt and
the keel would stay on just fine.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA



-Original Message-
From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 4:00 PM
To: steven.hickel--- via CnC-List 
Cc: Neil Gallagher 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Blocks under forward most keel bolt material?

Steven,

I did leave the old wood in there.  Was a decision I had to make and wasn't
sure what was the best approach, but yes, I enclosed it with the pieces I
installed.  I thought the fiberglass would be strong enough.  I didn't have
a backing plate on the bolt, just the washer, but after I had the crunching
of the wood I put one in temporarily, maybe that's was done on your boat
also?

I just happened to do both the mast step and the bolt at the same time, I
think you could do them separately but access to the bolt was probably a lot
easier with the mast step removed.  I had my mast pulled to replace the
step, but I've heard suggestions that you could just raise it up and block
it from the deck, though I don't think I'd be comfortable doing that for any
length of time.

Getting the wood of the step out was easy, a Sawzall did the trick. 
Getting something in was a lot more complicated as you cannot fit a wide
enough board through the opening in the cabin sole.  I used a fiberglass
cloth layup on a form across the bilge sump so I could get the cloth into
the space, I think I used 27 layers in one rather long layup.  I'd be happy
to go into more detail if you want to contact me offline.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove NY

Stus-List Re: 35 MK I Mainsheet and Vang

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Great advice!

I think I will grab the 6:1 sheet and the 4:1 can go back to being a preventer. 
If I really wanted to I guess I could swap them out as desired.

 

Joe

Coquina

 

From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 1:18 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Subject: Stus-List Re: 35 MK I Mainsheet and Vang

 

4:1 is not enough in heavy air. As you increase the purchase (6:1), you will 
have more friction which makes it more difficult to ease the sheet in light 
air. Also, as you increase the purchase, you will have a longer sheet, and it 
will take longer to sheet in and out. I have a 4:1 purchase plus a mainsheet 
winch.  The winch gives me the extra strength I need in heavy air, and the 4:1 
(rather than 6:1) lets me sheet in and out faster. You have to decide what is 
more important for you.




Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 9:37 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I just now unrigged the mainsheet and replaced it with a 4:1 mainsheet and cam 
cleat that I had as a preventer for a proof-of-concept. The preventer has been 
on the boat for so long I forgot where it came from, but looking at the 
mainsheet systems online and at Bacons it became obvious this IS a mainsheet so 
I decided to try it out. So far it has only got a light air test, I am loving 
the lack of friction compared to the stock system that goes up to the mast and 
back to a winch.
My question is this; will 4:1 be enough? Bacon's has a 6:1 mainsheet for a 
reasonable price, I can buy that and send the 4:1 back to preventer duty easily 
enough.

While I was at it I noticed the vang, one of those Quick-Vangs with a spring, 
had the line fed through a turning block far enough from the mast that it had a 
significant change in tension as the boom swung. I have no idea how I haven't 
stared at this for decades and not noticed, the yard installed it ages ago and 
I just never realized they did it wrong. Now the line feeds to a turning block 
almost at the pivot point, changes in tension will be almost nonexistant.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA

Stus-List Re: 35 MK I Mainsheet and Vang

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Yes it does,

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List  
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 12:55 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: 35 MK I Mainsheet and Vang

 

Joe,

 

Does your 35-1 have end boom sheeting?

 

--

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 11:37 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I just now unrigged the mainsheet and replaced it with a 4:1 mainsheet and cam 
cleat that I had as a preventer for a proof-of-concept. The preventer has been 
on the boat for so long I forgot where it came from, but looking at the 
mainsheet systems online and at Bacons it became obvious this IS a mainsheet so 
I decided to try it out. So far it has only got a light air test, I am loving 
the lack of friction compared to the stock system that goes up to the mast and 
back to a winch.
My question is this; will 4:1 be enough? Bacon's has a 6:1 mainsheet for a 
reasonable price, I can buy that and send the 4:1 back to preventer duty easily 
enough.

While I was at it I noticed the vang, one of those Quick-Vangs with a spring, 
had the line fed through a turning block far enough from the mast that it had a 
significant change in tension as the boom swung. I have no idea how I haven't 
stared at this for decades and not noticed, the yard installed it ages ago and 
I just never realized they did it wrong. Now the line feeds to a turning block 
almost at the pivot point, changes in tension will be almost nonexistant.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA






 

Stus-List 35 MK I Mainsheet and Vang

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I just now unrigged the mainsheet and replaced it with a 4:1 mainsheet and cam 
cleat that I had as a preventer for a proof-of-concept. The preventer has been 
on the boat for so long I forgot where it came from, but looking at the 
mainsheet systems online and at Bacons it became obvious this IS a mainsheet so 
I decided to try it out. So far it has only got a light air test, I am loving 
the lack of friction compared to the stock system that goes up to the mast and 
back to a winch.
My question is this; will 4:1 be enough? Bacon's has a 6:1 mainsheet for a 
reasonable price, I can buy that and send the 4:1 back to preventer duty easily 
enough.

While I was at it I noticed the vang, one of those Quick-Vangs with a spring, 
had the line fed through a turning block far enough from the mast that it had a 
significant change in tension as the boom swung. I have no idea how I haven't 
stared at this for decades and not noticed, the yard installed it ages ago and 
I just never realized they did it wrong. Now the line feeds to a turning block 
almost at the pivot point, changes in tension will be almost nonexistant.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA

Stus-List Any C 35 MK I Salvage Boats?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

There are a few things I might want to make life easier vs. refinishing the 
existing pieces. I have no idea if any boats exist being parted out.

I get stuck in an endless loop of “Weather is nice, rather sail than epoxy” and 
then “It is 35 degrees and raining, January turns out not to be a good time for 
outside work”.

 

Joe

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I hadn’t thought of that! The keel is slowly getting shorter. If I keep the 
boat another 50 years I won’t be aground at extra-low tide!

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Leeward Rail via CnC-List  
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 1:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Leeward Rail 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

 

The keel bolts are in lead. Lead is soft and eventually they would pull upwards 
slightly.  I would assume that is why.   I have been planning to contact 
MARSKEEL and get some pro info. 

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

A quick update:

Pretty much every nut needed tightening. I can’t recall exactly when I did it 
last, but it was probably at least 5-10 years ago. Water that was getting in 
the bilge is no longer getting in 

This raises a question: I cannot imagine that these nuts are backing off, so 
why is this a maintenance thing? I would think they would stay once set? 

* next time I am using a torque multiplier, my arms are still sore!

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

 

Stus-List Re: Woodpecker attacks genoa

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Wait until an osprey couple moves in – they make an enormous mess very quickly!

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 11:37 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Woodpecker attacks genoa

 

Weeds, Alligators, woodpeckers - What's next?

 

Joel

 

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 11:35 AM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

They drum to mark their territory, as well. I have seen (and heard) them 
drumming on the telephone poles (esp. the top metal cap) and on our 
eavestroughs.

Marek
Ottawa, ON 

-Original Message-
From: Adrian C Humphreys via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 11:12 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Adrian C Humphreys mailto:adri...@telamontech.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Woodpecker attacks genoa

Woodpeckers will also drum when seeking a mate. I've seen one rap on an 
aluminum ladder, no bugs on it. Very loud.

Adrian Humphreys
Epilogue, Rockport ME
C 33-2 
adri...@telamontech.com  




> On Sep 16, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List   > wrote:
> 
> Strange.  Heard repetitive tapping sound while on the boat this week.  The 
> source was a woodpecker attacking the furled genoa on a neighboring boat.  
> Must have been bugs in the sail.  Link to picture:
> 
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1kc4okG4zrUi3Vh4GgUM4wJZAQE4fGFNt%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing
>  
> 
>  
> data=05%7C01%7C%7C76499e53bae741ecf3e808da97f5f30f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637989379854903918%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=7An28oCIHE7%2FL5LRjw%2FQmDfNwpsM2lJ2gUp2K35op94%3Dreserved=0
> 
> -- 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA




 

-- 

Joel 

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I am using these numbers:

http://cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/torquebolts/torquebolts.htm

Are they wrong?

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Wyatt via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 10:52 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; Wyatt 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

 

That’s too much torque? I’ve seen C specs based on nut size, and for my 36-1 
it was around 150 ft-lb

 

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 10:46 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I should have driven down and got it. 350 pounds is a LOT. My arms are still 
sore!

FYI – what you think is really tight with a normal extension is about 150 
pounds, not 350. I have about 4 feet total to get to 350.

If anyone needs to borrow the torque meter let me know.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

 

From: Josh via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 4:18 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Josh mailto:muckl...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

 

You can come borrow my torque multiplier. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6B0IPKQERc 

Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk 
1989 C 37+ 
Solomons, MD 

 

Sep 5, 2022 14:09:28 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >:

Those sizes are correct – thanks!

I don’t have a torque wrench that big, so I have them “tight”. I just ordered 
this thing, so I can set them exactly:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GLITFW?psc=1 
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GLITFW?psc=1=ATVPDKIKX0DER_=chk_typ_imgToDp>
 =ATVPDKIKX0DER_=chk_typ_imgToDp

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

From: Thomas Delaney via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:08 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> ; Thomas Delaney 
mailto:tomcdela...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

Hi Joe,

I believe it is 1 1/8" for the front-most nut and 1 1/2" for the rest.

Best,

Tom

Stus-List Re: It's a jungle down here

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

All you need is a gator or two in there for the complete effect. 

Joe

 

From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 10:33 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Stus-List Re: It's a jungle down here

 

geeze!  when you described "weeds"  I never expected that!  Jurassic world
for sure!

-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: CnClist mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List It's a jungle down here
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2022 20:15:27 -0500

Touche's slip is on Bayou Castine on the north shore of Lake Pontchartrain.
Fairly tropical most of the year. 

 

Monday I went for a nice sail on the lake.  Well, nice if you don't count
the biting flies and love bugs.  If you don't know about love bugs, Google
them.  They're disgusting creatures whose only natural enemies are Kenworths
and Peterbilts.  They occur in spring and late summer.

 

Just out of my slip I saw a 5-7 foot alligator then another about 8-9 feet.


 

The bayou has developed a prolific growth of water weeds.  As I came to a
tight spot in the bayou, the weeds forced Touche' and a Catalina 34 to pass
close aboard in a narrow section of the bayou.

 

When I returned to the slip, the weather was deteriorating and I wanted to
get Touche' tied up before the storm hit.  Oh, crap!  A large island of
weeds had drifted across the entrance to Touche's slip.  I tried to back up
to it, grab it with a boat hook and move it out of the way.  No luck.  The
storm was approaching fast so I just powered into the slip bow first pushing
the weeds in with me.  The island of weeds wrapped around the bow and keel.
I normally back in.  The dock lines worked and Touche' was safely tied up
when the storm hit.  It was raining hard and I was reluctant to get wet to
retrieve the shore power cord to fire up the air conditioning.  All that was
missing was for The Rock to show up in his Jungle Cruise costume.

 

During the storm, I sweated and pondered how to clear the weeds.
Fortunately, the storm killed any wind.  I backed out of the slip, motored
around to the far side of my pier, tied Touche's stern to the pier and used
the propwash to blow the weeds out of the slip and into the bayou.  I could
then pull back around the pier and back into the slip normally.  

 

The harbormaster said he'd contacted Wildlife and Fisheries to come spray
the weeds.  Estimated 2-3 weeks.  What joy!

 

Here's pictures:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qIsKMu82fMUa_zSF_QhDqLjBycwYQCx2?usp
=sharing


 

The one titled "Weeds blown out" shows using the propwash to clear the slip.

-- 

Dennis C. 

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I should have driven down and got it. 350 pounds is a LOT. My arms are still 
sore!

FYI – what you think is really tight with a normal extension is about 150 
pounds, not 350. I have about 4 feet total to get to 350.

If anyone needs to borrow the torque meter let me know.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

 

From: Josh via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 4:18 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Josh 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

 

You can come borrow my torque multiplier. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6B0IPKQERc 

Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk 
1989 C 37+ 
Solomons, MD 

 

Sep 5, 2022 14:09:28 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >:

Those sizes are correct – thanks!

I don’t have a torque wrench that big, so I have them “tight”. I just ordered 
this thing, so I can set them exactly:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GLITFW?psc=1 
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GLITFW?psc=1=ATVPDKIKX0DER_=chk_typ_imgToDp>
 =ATVPDKIKX0DER_=chk_typ_imgToDp

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

From: Thomas Delaney via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:08 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> ; Thomas Delaney 
mailto:tomcdela...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

Hi Joe,

I believe it is 1 1/8" for the front-most nut and 1 1/2" for the rest.

Best,

Tom

Stus-List anyone try this chafe guard?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

https://www.nowearguard.com/

 

It sure looks nice. I am tempted to use it on the bow where the anchor tends
to hit the boat.

 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Those sizes are correct – thanks!

I don’t have a torque wrench that big, so I have them “tight”. I just ordered 
this thing, so I can set them exactly:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GLITFW?psc=1 

 =ATVPDKIKX0DER_=chk_typ_imgToDp

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Thomas Delaney via CnC-List  
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:08 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; Thomas Delaney 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

 

Hi Joe,

 

I believe it is 1 1/8" for the front-most nut and 1 1/2" for the rest.

 

Best,

Tom

 

Stus-List C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Does anyone know the socket sizes needed to tighten them? 

I had this info somewhere and it vanished ☹

 

THANKS!!

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

Stus-List Is this a C?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

 

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html

 

The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Bed-It butyl tape

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I ordered some from Mainesail, I’ll see how it compares to the roll I got from 
Worst Marine when it gets here.

 

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium Batteries

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

1 AH means you get one amp for one hour.

Power is amps times volts, so 1 amp at 12 volts is half as much power as 1 amp 
at 24 volts.

Amp-hours only makes sense when comparing batteries of the same voltage, 
watt-hours is the same across all voltages.

 

A 225 AH 12 volt lead acid battery an 8D size and is very heavy. It can supply 
about 120 amp-hours or so for long life in cycling mode. A 200 amp-hour lithium 
battery is good for maybe 180 amp-hours without damage. Rule of thumb is 
lead-acid should cycle at 50% and lithium can go to 80%.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 3:35 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium Batteries

 

Oh!
For some reason, I thought Ah were constant, regardless of voltage - I guess 
maybe that is Kilowatts -
So with a 200 Ah Lifepo battery vs a 255 AGM, looks like I will lose some 
capacity, unless that is made up with efficiency from the Lithium - .

Does that make sense?

 

Thanks Joe.

Bill Coleman

 

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 2:40 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

A 100 AH 24 volt battery and a 200 AH 12 volt battery hold the same amount of 
power. 

Assuming they are using 100 AH cells, the 12 volt will have 2 sets of 4  in 
series in the case that are then in parallel and the 24 volt version will have 
all 8 in series. You could literally open the case and change a 12 to a 24 volt 
or back again, BMS issues aside.

Don’t forget the lithium batteries in a standard-size case may not be using all 
the real estate inside that case either, it isn’t like lead-acid where a 
certain capacity means a certain size.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

 

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 2:33 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Lithium Batteries

 

These are confusing, they have a 24 V that looks similar in size to the 
lifeline 8D, but the 8D is 255 Ah, and the 


SOK 24V 100Ah LiFePO4 Battery  
<https://www.us.sokbattery.com/product-page/sok-24v-100ah-lifepo4-battery> 


 

is only 100 Ah - are they supposed to be equal, even with that disparity? 

 

Blil Coleman

Entrada Erie PA

 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 4:45 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I think I am going to get 2 of these:

https://www.us.sokbattery.com/product-page/sok-12v100ah-lifepo4-battery

 

Advantages I see:

1.  Two of them means a dead BMS only takes half the bank offline, not 100% 
of your power.
2.  They have heaters for the very rare times the cabin might be below 
freezing.
3.  They have Bluetooth for access to the BMS.
4.  I saved the best for last, if the BMS craps out or you just want a 
better one, just open it up and replace it! This is NOT possible with most 
batteries unless you cut them apart.
5.  See 4, a dead cell can be replaced.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

Stus-List Lithium Batteries

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I think I am going to get 2 of these:

https://www.us.sokbattery.com/product-page/sok-12v100ah-lifepo4-battery

 

Advantages I see:

1.  Two of them means a dead BMS only takes half the bank offline, not 100% 
of your power.
2.  They have heaters for the very rare times the cabin might be below 
freezing.
3.  They have Bluetooth for access to the BMS.
4.  I saved the best for last, if the BMS craps out or you just want a 
better one, just open it up and replace it! This is NOT possible with most 
batteries unless you cut them apart.
5.  See 4, a dead cell can be replaced.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: No recent mail - now alternator belt

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Renogy seems to have pretty bad feedback on Amazon, judging just from there 
they look quite problematic.

Ampere-Time seems quite a bit better in the reviews.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 9:37 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe ; Joel Aronson 

Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: No recent mail - now alternator belt

 

Joe,

 

Renogy is having a great sale.  If I hadn't purchased two from China last year 
that would be my choice.

 

Joel

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 9:29 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

To add to my fun it was about sunset and my batteries are about shot. I had 16 
miles to go and didn’t want run on battery power, so digging through my spare 
belts it turns out they were all too short ☹ I had to swap alternators back to 
the one that uses the shorter belts, so a 10 minute job became quite a bit 
longer.

I think I need to quit researching lithium batteries for the 25th time and just 
pick one!

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina




 

-- 

Joel 

Stus-List Now lithium batteries

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

If you charge a lithium battery directly, there are a couple of issues even if 
the regulator has lithium settings:

1.  Lithium batteries charge so well they look like a dead short, so 
burning up alternators and belts is a real issue.
2.  If the BMS decides to cut the battery off from charging, it will wreck 
your alternator.

 

The DC-DC charger takes care of lithium-specific charging, limits the total 
draw on the alternator, and if the BMS kicks off the alternator is still hooked 
to the start battery.

Re 24 volts: You can buy 24 volt batteries or sometimes buy 2 12 volt 
batteries. Not all batteries can be put in series and not all can be put in 
parallel, you need to read the descriptions.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 2:56 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: No recent mail - now alternator belt

 

Why do you need the DC-DC Charger?

I am thinking about this too. I need to replace my Heart Inverter/Charger, so 
there is that. I have fairly new Balmer Regulators, so I am pretty sure they 
have a lithium battery setting.

Also, I am on 24 Volt, so if it is available would there be an advantage to 
using 24V instead of putting 12V in series?

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie PA

 

Stus-List Re: Sea Foam

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

If the exhaust hose is on fire, it sure can!

Normally it indicates a very rich mixture, which in a diesel means the engine 
is constrained in some way like being over-propped or with a clogged air filter.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2022 6:13 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Sea Foam

 

Also, lots of black smoke can be either a fuel problem or a lack of air problem

On 2022-07-18 1:44 p.m., Matthew via CnC-List wrote:

Lots of black can be overheating.

 

Stus-List Re: C 35 Mainsheet

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

 

Lots of great ideas – thanks all!

Coquina is about to turn 50 and like a lightbulb suddenly going off, I am like 
“Just because someone did it this way in 1973 because that is how they were 
used to doing it from the 1960s doesn’t mean it is the best way”.  My genoa was 
off for a UV cover replacement and we were reaching in 25+ under just the main 
and there were a couple of times I really would have liked sheet control from 
the helm!

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

Stus-List Re: C 35 Mainsheet

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Exactly 

 

 

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 11:53 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 Mainsheet

 

Joe,

 

Touche' has endboom mainsheet with two speed 3:1/6:1 purchase and line control 
traveler with 4:1 purchase.  I can operate both from helm.

 

Is that what you're asking about?

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022, 10:13 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Has anyone changed their 35 to a multi-part tackle and cam cleat that you 
operate from the traveler back at the helm instead of the stock system that 
runs a line up to the mast and back to a cabin top winch?
Would 4:1 be enough or would 6:1 be better?

My preventer is a pretty big 4 part and cam cleat setup, it just about looks 
like it could do the job.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

Stus-List Re: C 35 Mainsheet

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

My traveler is just ahead of the wheel.

Having the sheer control there would be quite convenient.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER  
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 1:30 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35 Mainsheet

 

Hey Joe, 

4:1 mainsheet is fine for the light winds of Chesapeake Bay until the wind 
fills in and then 6:1 would be much better.  4:1 with a fine tune added would 
be the best solution.  The C 99 has a 4:1 / 8:1 mainsheet that works well. 

 

My 34R has 5:1 with a 20:1 double ended fine tune.  This allows me to release 
the mainsheet in a very controlled manner when it's heavily loaded, rounding 
the windward mark.  

 

Where is your traveller now?

 

Chuck S

On 07/15/2022 11:13 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Has anyone changed their 35 to a multi-part tackle and cam cleat that you 
operate from the traveler back at the helm instead of the stock system that 
runs a line up to the mast and back to a cabin top winch?
Would 4:1 be enough or would 6:1 be better?

My preventer is a pretty big 4 part and cam cleat setup, it just about looks 
like it could do the job.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

Stus-List C 35 Mainsheet

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Has anyone changed their 35 to a multi-part tackle and cam cleat that you 
operate from the traveler back at the helm instead of the stock system that 
runs a line up to the mast and back to a cabin top winch?
Would 4:1 be enough or would 6:1 be better?

My preventer is a pretty big 4 part and cam cleat setup, it just about looks 
like it could do the job.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

Stus-List Re: Interior paint

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

My teak is holding paint. It took several coats to keep the oil from showing 
through.

I read someplace fishermen use exterior house paint to paint their boats, they 
get banged up too often for yacht quality work to be worth it.

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 4:36 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Interior paint

 

Hi Mathew, 

 

I've been told teak won't hold paint.  Mahoghany can be painted but not teak.

 

Last year I painted my fiberglass ceiling.  I had added some fiberglass cloth 
over high stress areas under the clutches and faired with Total Fair, so these 
areas were green.  I chose a good quality exterior latex paint from Behr.  "Off 
White" is the color and I love how it looks.  I chose the Scrub Defense version 
with "paint and primer" is in the can.   One coat using a mohair roller did the 
trick hiding all the differenet colors of fairing and filled holes, ets; all my 
good work and it looks like a new boat, better than when I got her twenty years 
ago.  I chose Behr simply because fifteen years ago, I had Home Depot color 
match my deck and painted a few areas that were scraped pretty bad.  That paint 
never peeled or flaked off after fifteen years, while some much more expensive 
and smelly Brightside paint did within five years

 

There are many good paints available now; Zinnser, Kiltz, but also Rustoleum 
sprays and any good exterior house paint. 

 

I would suggest using a high quailty water based paint for your interior. 

 

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis

On 06/24/2022 9:15 AM Matthew via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Listers:

 

As some of you may have surmised by my recent question about varnish (thanks 
for your responses), the Admiral would like the boat’s interior to look less, 
well, tired.  Our boat is a Custom “stick” boat, so it does not have fiberglass 
liners, headliners, and the like.  The interior ceiling needs some TLC.  I 
thought about covering it with a vinyl fabric (to reduce the military look that 
I personally like), but the Admiral thinks that a fresh coat of white paint 
will suffice.  I’m thinking about Zinnser interior bathroom paint, which is 
marketed as effective against mold and mildew.

 

Thoughts or suggestions?  Thanks in advance.

 

Matt Wolford

C 42 Custom

 

 

Stus-List Re: Cost to replace UV cover

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I went over to Bacon's today and they explained that the cost included about
$375 worth of other work, mainly spreader patches and some other misc.
stuff. Just the UV cover was about the same price as everyplace else. 


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA



-Original Message-
From: John Conklin via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 8:52 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe ; John Conklin

Subject: Stus-List Re: Cost to replace UV cover

Inflation YES  I'll say !
Just had my UV cover replaced in Oriental NC on my 130 headsail   $1300+ 

YIKES ! 


> On Jun 22, 2022, at 6:30 AM, David Swensen via CnC-List
 wrote:
> 
> 

Stus-List Re: Cost to replace UV cover

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Some calling around got it down to $900 or so. One shop had a recording saying 
they already had too many jobs and would only take calls from people with work 
already in their shop!

$400 is $400 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

Stus-List Cost to replace UV cover

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

 

The UV cover on my genoa is starting to fail, so I took it to Bacons to get 
repaired. I figured 5 or 6 boat bucks maybe. Well I figured wrong, the estimate 
came back at $1350! Yikes!

Are they nuts or is this the going rate now? That seems like a pretty good 
chunk of an entire sail!

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

Stus-List Re: Batteries again

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

It might be. I have the cheap version that is a $2 Zener diode across the 
alternator. They do help, but any sustained overvoltage will burn them up – 
literally.

Given how much a Balmar alternator costs, I might get one of these, especially 
if I was trying to directly charge a lithium bank. They look much better than 
the old Zeners which also have no indication they have failed unless they are 
totally melted.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

 

From: David Knecht via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 12:58 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: davidakne...@gmail.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: Batteries again

 

While on the topic of wiring alternators to batteries, Balmar has a “new” 
alternator protection module. Worth $70?  

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:57 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:



This is exactly why if I go lithium, the charging will work as follows:

Alternator > Start Battery > DC-DC Charger > Lithium Battery.

I also have the temp sensor on the alternator, which should help keep it from 
being roasted. That still doesn’t help with the issue of the BMS opening. 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 9:38 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Batteries again

 

Thank you for outing the hack, sometimes it is hard to know who to believe when 
something (like this) is not your area of expertise.

I just found this on my Balmar regulator instructions, which gives me pause . 
.. 

 

LFP LiFeP04 Recommendations

Our LFP program is a generalized version of the recommendations provided by the 
top LFP battery manufacturers. For best performance and compatibility, please 
consult your battery manufacturer and use the regulator’s advanced programming 
features to adjust the LFP program as needed. LFP batteries are more sensitive 
to abuse than a traditional chemistry battery and can fail catastrophically. It 
is HIGHLY recommended that the charging system as a whole be installed or 
inspected by a qualified marine electrical installer that has experience with 
Balmar charging system products and LFP batteries. The LFP profile is intended 
to work with the battery manufacturer’s battery management systems (BMS). The 
LFP profile IS NOT a replacement for a BMS.

 

*Many LiFePo4 batteries have a Battery Management System (BMS) that may 
disconnect the battery from the alternator as a protective action or when 
charging is complete. The regulator must be shut down before the battery is 
disconnected .Running an alternator without a battery will damage the 
alternator and may damage any attached system. This is doubly true if the 
battery can be disconnected during high current charging, causing a load dump. 
The load dump can easily cause a high voltage spike which will destroy the 
alternator’s rectifier, at minimum. This is not a warrantable failure. To 
reiterate: THE ALTERNATOR MUST BE SHUT DOWN BEFORE DISCONNECTING THE BATTERY. 
THE ONLY SAFE WAY TO SHUT DOWN THE ALTERNATOR IS TO TURN OFF THE REGULATOR. The 
preferred method of turning off the regulator is disconnecting the regulator’s 
ignition (brown) wire, but if used as an EMERGENCY ONLY shutdown, disconnecting 
the regulator’s power input (red) wire in addition to the ignition wire has a 
very low chance of damaging the regulator.

 

*LFP batteries will readily accept a damaging amount of current. Applying too 
much charge current to a LFP battery will, at the very least, permanently 
damage the battery’s capacity. It is CRITICAL to ensure that the alternator is 
not capable of exceeding the maximum continuous charge current rating of your 
battery (or batteries). As always, check with your battery manufacturer for 
specifics. Your battery manufacturer may supply you with a “C-rate” for 
charging and discharging. The maximum amount of charging current your battery 
can safely handle is determined by multiplying the “C-Rate” by the capacity of 
the bank. i.e. 4x 100Ah 12V batteries rated at 0.5C charge = 400 Ah * 0.5C = 
200amps MAX. If your alternator is capable of outputting more current, at any 
time or condition, than the battery (or batteries) can handle, you may use the 
Amp Manager feature on the MC-624 to lower the maximum field drive output, and 
thereby lower the maximum alternator output current. See page 10 of your 
regulator manual for details and instructions. Be aware that it is not an exact 
1:1 correlation between field output and alternator output, so start with more 
reduction (lower output) than you think you need and adjust accordingly.

 

*It is strongly recommended that an alternator temperature sensor (MC-TS-A) be 
used when charging LFP batteries. Given the extremely high charge 

Stus-List Re: Batteries again

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

This is exactly why if I go lithium, the charging will work as follows:

Alternator > Start Battery > DC-DC Charger > Lithium Battery.

I also have the temp sensor on the alternator, which should help keep it from 
being roasted. That still doesn’t help with the issue of the BMS opening. 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 9:38 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Batteries again

 

Thank you for outing the hack, sometimes it is hard to know who to believe when 
something (like this) is not your area of expertise.

I just found this on my Balmar regulator instructions, which gives me pause . 
.. 

 

LFP LiFeP04 Recommendations

Our LFP program is a generalized version of the recommendations provided by the 
top LFP battery manufacturers. For best performance and compatibility, please 
consult your battery manufacturer and use the regulator’s advanced programming 
features to adjust the LFP program as needed. LFP batteries are more sensitive 
to abuse than a traditional chemistry battery and can fail catastrophically. It 
is HIGHLY recommended that the charging system as a whole be installed or 
inspected by a qualified marine electrical installer that has experience with 
Balmar charging system products and LFP batteries. The LFP profile is intended 
to work with the battery manufacturer’s battery management systems (BMS). The 
LFP profile IS NOT a replacement for a BMS.

 

*Many LiFePo4 batteries have a Battery Management System (BMS) that may 
disconnect the battery from the alternator as a protective action or when 
charging is complete. The regulator must be shut down before the battery is 
disconnected .Running an alternator without a battery will damage the 
alternator and may damage any attached system. This is doubly true if the 
battery can be disconnected during high current charging, causing a load dump. 
The load dump can easily cause a high voltage spike which will destroy the 
alternator’s rectifier, at minimum. This is not a warrantable failure. To 
reiterate: THE ALTERNATOR MUST BE SHUT DOWN BEFORE DISCONNECTING THE BATTERY. 
THE ONLY SAFE WAY TO SHUT DOWN THE ALTERNATOR IS TO TURN OFF THE REGULATOR. The 
preferred method of turning off the regulator is disconnecting the regulator’s 
ignition (brown) wire, but if used as an EMERGENCY ONLY shutdown, disconnecting 
the regulator’s power input (red) wire in addition to the ignition wire has a 
very low chance of damaging the regulator.

 

*LFP batteries will readily accept a damaging amount of current. Applying too 
much charge current to a LFP battery will, at the very least, permanently 
damage the battery’s capacity. It is CRITICAL to ensure that the alternator is 
not capable of exceeding the maximum continuous charge current rating of your 
battery (or batteries). As always, check with your battery manufacturer for 
specifics. Your battery manufacturer may supply you with a “C-rate” for 
charging and discharging. The maximum amount of charging current your battery 
can safely handle is determined by multiplying the “C-Rate” by the capacity of 
the bank. i.e. 4x 100Ah 12V batteries rated at 0.5C charge = 400 Ah * 0.5C = 
200amps MAX. If your alternator is capable of outputting more current, at any 
time or condition, than the battery (or batteries) can handle, you may use the 
Amp Manager feature on the MC-624 to lower the maximum field drive output, and 
thereby lower the maximum alternator output current. See page 10 of your 
regulator manual for details and instructions. Be aware that it is not an exact 
1:1 correlation between field output and alternator output, so start with more 
reduction (lower output) than you think you need and adjust accordingly.

 

*It is strongly recommended that an alternator temperature sensor (MC-TS-A) be 
used when charging LFP batteries. Given the extremely high charge acceptance 
rate of LFP batteries, the alternator will be driven to full output for almost 
all of the charge cycle. This can cause overheating in automotive style 
alternators resulting in a significantly shortened lifespan. When equipped with 
the MC-TS-A temperature sensor, the MC-624 will help you protect your 
investment by reducing the field voltage to your alternator by 50% when over 
the “AL1” temperature threshold. If you cannot use an MC-TS-A in your 
application, you should monitor the alternator’s temperature (measure as close 
to the loop ends of the stator as possible) and discontinue charging if the 
alternator temperature rises above the maximum recommended level. You may also 
use the Amp Manager feature on your MC-624 to reduce maximum output until a 
tolerable alternator temperature is maintained under all conditions.

 

*Most LFP battery manufacturers specify minimum and maximum charging 
temperatures to be from freezing (32°F, 0°C) to around 111°F (44°C). Again, 
consult with your battery 

Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

THIS is the correct answer, he who cut it can fix it!

Joe

 

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 10:47 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes

 

Lots of options.  You could terminate the 2 ends with the typical connectors 
and then use a joiner.  You could use you're splicer.  Nothing will ever be as 
good as the cable was before it was cut.  I'd ask the yard to replace the 
cable.  Period.  They broke it, they should fix it... Correctly.

 

Josh Muckley 

S/V Sea Hawk 

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD

 

On Sat, May 28, 2022, 12:07 Charlie Nelson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the mast 
antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or 'splice' the 
current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that claim to connect the 
shield and the conductor without solder, etc.  

 

Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints on how 
to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense of someone to 
climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I figured it was worth that 
much to give it a try.

 

Thanks,

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom C 36 XL/kcb

New Bern, NC



 

Stus-List Re: Antenna cable woes

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I have used the Shakespeare connectors. If you make SURE you do not put them on 
crooked and short the coax they work fine.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List  
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 12:07 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Antenna cable woes

 

The yard that removed my mast to replace the rod rigging just cut the mast 
antenna cable and so I either have to have another cable run or 'splice' the 
current cable using one of the Sheakspeare fittings that claim to connect the 
shield and the conductor without solder, etc.  

 

Has any one on the list used such connectors and had any luck (or hints on how 
to proceed!) or am I faced with running new cable and the expense of someone to 
climb the mast, etc. The connector was only $16 so I figured it was worth that 
much to give it a try.

 

Thanks,

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom C 36 XL/kcb

New Bern, NC