Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Glad it was a simple did. 


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 Original message From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 9/22/17  16:43  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Randy Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net> Subject: 
Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out 
Score another point for Occam’s Razor.  With the new fuel petcock she purred 
like a kitten again today, for an hour with no shutdown or issue.  And now she 
has 50 psi fresh oil at idle.  Cleaned her up and got her all ready for CSYC’s 
Autumn Winds Regatta tomorrow Michael.
Thanks all for the input.  Turned out to be a fuel supply issue, and a lucky / 
educated guess as to what was wrong.
Cheers,Randy
On Sep 21, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Michael Cotton via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Went through Moyers years ago. Absolutely great stuff. A short cut 
for ignition problems is an induction timing light. You have spark or you 
don't. Can't wait to find out what is wrong.Michael






On Thursday, September 21, 2017, 7:30:46 PM MDT, Paul 
Fountain via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:





If the fuel hose is original replace it to - the inner wall 
can collapse and starve the engine ... 

-Original Message-
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Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:40 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Randy Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

Update on this - went down to the boat today, pulled plugs, changed oil.  No 
sign whatsoever of water in the engine.  Then on testing, she started right up, 
ran smoothly at idle for several minutes, then shut down suddenly.  And 
wouldn’t restart after a few short cranking attempts (with raw water intake 
closed).  From that I was relieved that the starter and solenoid and starter 
circuit were working, and the ignition circuits.

Per Occam’s Razor I removed and inspected the fuel petcock, as it’s been 
troublesome this year (it became increasingly difficult to turn, then suddenly 
easier to turn, hmmm…).  I believe it to be the culprit.  It was stuck in what 
appeared to be a closed position, and turning its handle didn’t change that.  I 
suspect it may have been just open enough to allow the fuel line to fill, given 
enough time.  But once the engine consumed the fuel in the line, it wasn’t open 
enough to keep supplying the engine.

I bought a new fuel shut-off valve from West Marine and will install it 
tomorrow and report back.  As for my starter not working Sunday when I pushed 
the button, I’ll let that remain a mystery unless it happens again.  Maybe I 
didn’t have the ignition switch pulled out far enough when I pressed the button.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Listers-
> 
> I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
> to share.
> 
> When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
> then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
> flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
> ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
> started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
> out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
> couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
> happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t 
> have enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though 
> my other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled 
> the batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 
> volts and 83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% 
> and 12.9 volts.
> 
> So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
> circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
> as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
> start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
> step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
> hypotheses.
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 301- #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> ___
> 
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Score another point for Occam’s Razor.  With the new fuel petcock she purred 
like a kitten again today, for an hour with no shutdown or issue.  And now she 
has 50 psi fresh oil at idle.  Cleaned her up and got her all ready for CSYC’s 
Autumn Winds Regatta tomorrow Michael.

Thanks all for the input.  Turned out to be a fuel supply issue, and a lucky / 
educated guess as to what was wrong.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Michael Cotton via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Went through Moyers years ago. Absolutely great stuff. A short cut for 
> ignition problems is an induction timing light. You have spark or you don't. 
> Can't wait to find out what is wrong.
> Michael
> 
> On Thursday, September 21, 2017, 7:30:46 PM MDT, Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> If the fuel hose is original replace it to - the inner wall can collapse and 
> starve the engine ... 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Randy Stafford via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:40 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Randy Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net 
> <mailto:randy.staff...@comcast.net>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out
> 
> Update on this - went down to the boat today, pulled plugs, changed oil.  No 
> sign whatsoever of water in the engine.  Then on testing, she started right 
> up, ran smoothly at idle for several minutes, then shut down suddenly.  And 
> wouldn’t restart after a few short cranking attempts (with raw water intake 
> closed).  From that I was relieved that the starter and solenoid and starter 
> circuit were working, and the ignition circuits.
> 
> Per Occam’s Razor I removed and inspected the fuel petcock, as it’s been 
> troublesome this year (it became increasingly difficult to turn, then 
> suddenly easier to turn, hmmm…).  I believe it to be the culprit.  It was 
> stuck in what appeared to be a closed position, and turning its handle didn’t 
> change that.  I suspect it may have been just open enough to allow the fuel 
> line to fill, given enough time.  But once the engine consumed the fuel in 
> the line, it wasn’t open enough to keep supplying the engine.
> 
> I bought a new fuel shut-off valve from West Marine and will install it 
> tomorrow and report back.  As for my starter not working Sunday when I pushed 
> the button, I’ll let that remain a mystery unless it happens again.  Maybe I 
> didn’t have the ignition switch pulled out far enough when I pressed the 
> button.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
> > On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
> > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Listers-
> > 
> > I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some 
> > thoughts to share.
> > 
> > When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
> > then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a 
> > fuel flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn. 
> >  After ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, 
> > she started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then 
> > she cut out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I 
> > sailed for a couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back 
> > in, nothing happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my 
> > batteries didn’t have enough amperage for the starter, after all the 
> > previous cranking, though my other electronics were running fine.  So I 
> > docked under sail power, pulled the batteries, and brought them home to 
> > charge.  They both tested at 12.7 volts and 83% charge when I put them on 
> > my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% and 12.9 volts.
> > 
> > So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
> > circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same 
> > effect as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the 
> > lazarette and start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but 
> > that’s my next step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone 
> > has any quick hypotheses.
> > 
> > Thanks in Advance,
> > Randy Stafford
> > S/V Grenadine
> > C 301- #7
> > Ken Caryl, CO
> > ___
> > 
> > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you 
&

Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Good point Michael, and it is a very easy job, as the mechanical pumps also 
fill a cup that is designed to retain a strainer.  So, immediately after the 
engine dies, one can go down and ease off the thumb screw and check for fuel in 
the bowl.  If there is an electric pump, one could remove the main jet or 
bottom bowl of the carb and check for fuel there.  Probably easier would be to 
simply remove the fuel line at the carb and see how much fuel is in the line.  
I like the idea of replacing the rubber fuel line out of pure proactive 
maintenance, however. 

I still suspect an ignition problem more than a fuel blockage.  The way to know 
is *how* the engine shuts off.  If it sputters to a stop, it's generally fuel.  
Chug-chug-chug...  

If it simply goes from running to stopped, the its likely electrical, i.e., a 
condenser or coil going bad.  And, once it stops and won't restart, pulling a 
plug, connecting it to a spark plug wire and grounding the plug while cranking 
the engine will tell you if you have spark or not.
Good luck! 
 Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


  From: Michael Brown via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Brown <m...@tkg.ca>
 Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 9:04 AM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out
   
If you have the mechanical style fuel pump you may be able to use it for 
troubleshooting.
The pump has a mechanical primer in the form of a wire bail that goes around 
outside of
the body. Part way down here is a picture of the pump:

https://www.moyermarine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=410

There is a bail that holds the fuel cup on, and a second smaller one you can 
see in the left
picture around the lower part of the pump.

If there is fuel available then after levering it out a couple of times it will 
fill the carburetor
and tend to stay out. If you can prime the pump a dozen times then either there 
is no fuel,
there is a problem with the lines or maybe the carb is getting flooded.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1
 


From: Randy Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net>

Update on this - went down to the boat today, pulled plugs, changed oil.  No 
sign whatsoever of water in the engine.  Then on testing, she started right up, 
ran smoothly at idle for several minutes, then shut down suddenly.  And 
wouldn?t restart after a few short cranking attempts (with raw water intake 
closed).  From that I was relieved that the starter and solenoid and starter 
circuit were working, and the ignition circuits.

Per Occam?s Razor I removed and inspected the fuel petcock, as it?s been 
troublesome this year (it became increasingly difficult to turn, then suddenly 
easier to turn, hmmm?).  I believe it to be the culprit.  It was stuck in what 
appeared to be a closed position, and turning its handle didn?t change that.  I 
suspect it may have been just open enough to allow the fuel line to fill, given 
enough time.  But once the engine consumed the fuel in the line, it wasn?t open 
enough to keep supplying the engine.

I bought a new fuel shut-off valve from West Marine and will install it 
tomorrow and report back.  As for my starter not working Sunday when I pushed 
the button, I?ll let that remain a mystery unless it happens again.  Maybe I 
didn?t have the ignition switch pulled out far enough when I pressed the button.

Cheers,
Randy

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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

If you have the mechanical style fuel pump you may be able to use it for 
troubleshooting.
The pump has a mechanical primer in the form of a wire bail that goes around 
outside of
the body. Part way down here is a picture of the pump:

https://www.moyermarine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=410

There is a bail that holds the fuel cup on, and a second smaller one you can 
see in the left
picture around the lower part of the pump.

If there is fuel available then after levering it out a couple of times it will 
fill the carburetor
and tend to stay out. If you can prime the pump a dozen times then either there 
is no fuel,
there is a problem with the lines or maybe the carb is getting flooded.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1
 


From: Randy Stafford  
 
Update on this - went down to the boat today, pulled plugs, changed oil.  No 
sign whatsoever of water in the engine.  Then on testing, she started right up, 
ran smoothly at idle for several minutes, then shut down suddenly.  And 
wouldn?t restart after a few short cranking attempts (with raw water intake 
closed).  From that I was relieved that the starter and solenoid and starter 
circuit were working, and the ignition circuits. 
 
Per Occam?s Razor I removed and inspected the fuel petcock, as it?s been 
troublesome this year (it became increasingly difficult to turn, then suddenly 
easier to turn, hmmm?).  I believe it to be the culprit.  It was stuck in what 
appeared to be a closed position, and turning its handle didn?t change that.  I 
suspect it may have been just open enough to allow the fuel line to fill, given 
enough time.  But once the engine consumed the fuel in the line, it wasn?t open 
enough to keep supplying the engine. 
 
I bought a new fuel shut-off valve from West Marine and will install it 
tomorrow and report back.  As for my starter not working Sunday when I pushed 
the button, I?ll let that remain a mystery unless it happens again.  Maybe I 
didn?t have the ignition switch pulled out far enough when I pressed the 
button. 
 
Cheers, 
Randy 
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Michael Cotton via CnC-List]

 Went through Moyers years ago. Absolutely great stuff. A short cut for 
ignition problems is an induction timing light. You have spark or you don't. 
Can't wait to find out what is wrong.Michael
On Thursday, September 21, 2017, 7:30:46 PM MDT, Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:  
 
 If the fuel hose is original replace it to - the inner wall can collapse and 
starve the engine ... 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy 
Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:40 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Randy Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

Update on this - went down to the boat today, pulled plugs, changed oil.  No 
sign whatsoever of water in the engine.  Then on testing, she started right up, 
ran smoothly at idle for several minutes, then shut down suddenly.  And 
wouldn’t restart after a few short cranking attempts (with raw water intake 
closed).  From that I was relieved that the starter and solenoid and starter 
circuit were working, and the ignition circuits.

Per Occam’s Razor I removed and inspected the fuel petcock, as it’s been 
troublesome this year (it became increasingly difficult to turn, then suddenly 
easier to turn, hmmm…).  I believe it to be the culprit.  It was stuck in what 
appeared to be a closed position, and turning its handle didn’t change that.  I 
suspect it may have been just open enough to allow the fuel line to fill, given 
enough time.  But once the engine consumed the fuel in the line, it wasn’t open 
enough to keep supplying the engine.

I bought a new fuel shut-off valve from West Marine and will install it 
tomorrow and report back.  As for my starter not working Sunday when I pushed 
the button, I’ll let that remain a mystery unless it happens again.  Maybe I 
didn’t have the ignition switch pulled out far enough when I pressed the button.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Listers-
> 
> I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
> to share.
> 
> When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
> then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
> flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
> ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
> started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
> out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
> couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
> happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t 
> have enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though 
> my other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled 
> the batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 
> volts and 83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% 
> and 12.9 volts.
> 
> So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
> circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
> as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
> start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
> step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
> hypotheses.
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 301- #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> ___
> 
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish 
> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

If the fuel hose is original replace it to - the inner wall can collapse and 
starve the engine ... 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy 
Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:40 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Randy Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

Update on this - went down to the boat today, pulled plugs, changed oil.  No 
sign whatsoever of water in the engine.  Then on testing, she started right up, 
ran smoothly at idle for several minutes, then shut down suddenly.  And 
wouldn’t restart after a few short cranking attempts (with raw water intake 
closed).  From that I was relieved that the starter and solenoid and starter 
circuit were working, and the ignition circuits.

Per Occam’s Razor I removed and inspected the fuel petcock, as it’s been 
troublesome this year (it became increasingly difficult to turn, then suddenly 
easier to turn, hmmm…).  I believe it to be the culprit.  It was stuck in what 
appeared to be a closed position, and turning its handle didn’t change that.  I 
suspect it may have been just open enough to allow the fuel line to fill, given 
enough time.  But once the engine consumed the fuel in the line, it wasn’t open 
enough to keep supplying the engine.

I bought a new fuel shut-off valve from West Marine and will install it 
tomorrow and report back.  As for my starter not working Sunday when I pushed 
the button, I’ll let that remain a mystery unless it happens again.  Maybe I 
didn’t have the ignition switch pulled out far enough when I pressed the button.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Listers-
> 
> I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
> to share.
> 
> When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
> then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
> flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
> ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
> started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
> out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
> couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
> happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t 
> have enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though 
> my other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled 
> the batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 
> volts and 83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% 
> and 12.9 volts.
> 
> So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
> circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
> as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
> start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
> step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
> hypotheses.
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 301- #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> ___
> 
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish 
> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks Michael, I’m hoping it’s as simple as a stuck fuel petcock cutting off 
fuel flow.

There is also this good troubleshooting procedure on Moyer Marine’s site: 
http://www.moyermarine.com/newsletters/2-1-14.html.  First disambiguates fuel 
vs. ignition problem, then delves deeper based on what kind of problem it is.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 5:27 PM, Michael Cotton via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> You could do a short crank and stop then CAREFULLY feel the starters cables 
> for heat(don't forget the ground).  Intermittent no crank could also be 
> inside the starter solenoid. One more thing on the no start but cranking. If 
> you are still using a distributor with points the symptom you are giving 
> sounds like  a bad condenser. I used to have a 12v engine analyzer scope. It 
> was wicked good at solving these kinds of problem. Good luck.
> Michael Cotton
> 
> On Thursday, September 21, 2017, 5:09:54 PM MDT, svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Glad you found the problem.  
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy 
> POYC 
> Pegasus (for sale) 
> Lf38 
> Rebecca Leah LF39 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 9/21/17 15:40 (GMT-08:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Randy Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out
> 
> Update on this - went down to the boat today, pulled plugs, changed oil.  No 
> sign whatsoever of water in the engine.  Then on testing, she started right 
> up, ran smoothly at idle for several minutes, then shut down suddenly.  And 
> wouldn’t restart after a few short cranking attempts (with raw water intake 
> closed).  From that I was relieved that the starter and solenoid and starter 
> circuit were working, and the ignition circuits.
> 
> Per Occam’s Razor I removed and inspected the fuel petcock, as it’s been 
> troublesome this year (it became increasingly difficult to turn, then 
> suddenly easier to turn, hmmm…).  I believe it to be the culprit.  It was 
> stuck in what appeared to be a closed position, and turning its handle didn’t 
> change that.  I suspect it may have been just open enough to allow the fuel 
> line to fill, given enough time.  But once the engine consumed the fuel in 
> the line, it wasn’t open enough to keep supplying the engine.
> 
> I bought a new fuel shut-off valve from West Marine and will install it 
> tomorrow and report back.  As for my starter not working Sunday when I pushed 
> the button, I’ll let that remain a mystery unless it happens again.  Maybe I 
> didn’t have the ignition switch pulled out far enough when I pressed the 
> button.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
> > On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
> > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Listers-
> > 
> > I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some 
> > thoughts to share.
> > 
> > When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
> > then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a 
> > fuel flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn. 
> >  After ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, 
> > she started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then 
> > she cut out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I 
> > sailed for a couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back 
> > in, nothing happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my 
> > batteries didn’t have enough amperage for the starter, after all the 
> > previous cranking, though my other electronics were running fine.  So I 
> > docked under sail power, pulled the batteries, and brought them home to 
> > charge.  They both tested at 12.7 volts and 83% charge when I put them on 
> > my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% and 12.9 volts.
> > 
> > So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
> > circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same 
> > effect as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the 
> > lazarette and start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but 
> > that’s my next step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone 
> > has any quick hypotheses.
> > 
> > Thanks in Advance,
> > Randy Stafford
> > S/V Grenadine
> > C 301- #7
> > Ken Caryl, CO
> > ___
> > 
> > This list is su

Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Michael Cotton via CnC-List]

 You could do a short crank and stop then CAREFULLY feel the starters cables 
for heat(don't forget the ground).  Intermittent no crank could also be inside 
the starter solenoid. One more thing on the no start but cranking. If you are 
still using a distributor with points the symptom you are giving sounds like  a 
bad condenser. I used to have a 12v engine analyzer scope. It was wicked good 
at solving these kinds of problem. Good luck.Michael Cotton
On Thursday, September 21, 2017, 5:09:54 PM MDT, svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:  
 
 Glad you found the problem.  


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 Original message From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 9/21/17 15:40 (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Randy Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net> Subject: 
Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out 
Update on this - went down to the boat today, pulled plugs, changed oil.  No 
sign whatsoever of water in the engine.  Then on testing, she started right up, 
ran smoothly at idle for several minutes, then shut down suddenly.  And 
wouldn’t restart after a few short cranking attempts (with raw water intake 
closed).  From that I was relieved that the starter and solenoid and starter 
circuit were working, and the ignition circuits.

Per Occam’s Razor I removed and inspected the fuel petcock, as it’s been 
troublesome this year (it became increasingly difficult to turn, then suddenly 
easier to turn, hmmm…).  I believe it to be the culprit.  It was stuck in what 
appeared to be a closed position, and turning its handle didn’t change that.  I 
suspect it may have been just open enough to allow the fuel line to fill, given 
enough time.  But once the engine consumed the fuel in the line, it wasn’t open 
enough to keep supplying the engine.

I bought a new fuel shut-off valve from West Marine and will install it 
tomorrow and report back.  As for my starter not working Sunday when I pushed 
the button, I’ll let that remain a mystery unless it happens again.  Maybe I 
didn’t have the ignition switch pulled out far enough when I pressed the button.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Listers-
> 
> I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
> to share.
> 
> When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
> then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
> flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
> ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
> started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
> out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
> couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
> happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t 
> have enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though 
> my other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled 
> the batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 
> volts and 83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% 
> and 12.9 volts.
> 
> So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
> circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
> as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
> start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
> step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
> hypotheses.
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 301- #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
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[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Glad you found the problem.  


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<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 9/21/17  15:40  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Randy Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net> Subject: 
Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out 
Update on this - went down to the boat today, pulled plugs, changed oil.  No 
sign whatsoever of water in the engine.  Then on testing, she started right up, 
ran smoothly at idle for several minutes, then shut down suddenly.  And 
wouldn’t restart after a few short cranking attempts (with raw water intake 
closed).  From that I was relieved that the starter and solenoid and starter 
circuit were working, and the ignition circuits.

Per Occam’s Razor I removed and inspected the fuel petcock, as it’s been 
troublesome this year (it became increasingly difficult to turn, then suddenly 
easier to turn, hmmm…).  I believe it to be the culprit.  It was stuck in what 
appeared to be a closed position, and turning its handle didn’t change that.  I 
suspect it may have been just open enough to allow the fuel line to fill, given 
enough time.  But once the engine consumed the fuel in the line, it wasn’t open 
enough to keep supplying the engine.

I bought a new fuel shut-off valve from West Marine and will install it 
tomorrow and report back.  As for my starter not working Sunday when I pushed 
the button, I’ll let that remain a mystery unless it happens again.  Maybe I 
didn’t have the ignition switch pulled out far enough when I pressed the button.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Listers-
> 
> I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
> to share.
> 
> When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
> then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
> flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
> ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
> started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
> out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
> couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
> happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t 
> have enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though 
> my other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled 
> the batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 
> volts and 83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% 
> and 12.9 volts.
> 
> So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
> circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
> as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
> start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
> step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
> hypotheses.
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 301- #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Update on this - went down to the boat today, pulled plugs, changed oil.  No 
sign whatsoever of water in the engine.  Then on testing, she started right up, 
ran smoothly at idle for several minutes, then shut down suddenly.  And 
wouldn’t restart after a few short cranking attempts (with raw water intake 
closed).  From that I was relieved that the starter and solenoid and starter 
circuit were working, and the ignition circuits.

Per Occam’s Razor I removed and inspected the fuel petcock, as it’s been 
troublesome this year (it became increasingly difficult to turn, then suddenly 
easier to turn, hmmm…).  I believe it to be the culprit.  It was stuck in what 
appeared to be a closed position, and turning its handle didn’t change that.  I 
suspect it may have been just open enough to allow the fuel line to fill, given 
enough time.  But once the engine consumed the fuel in the line, it wasn’t open 
enough to keep supplying the engine.

I bought a new fuel shut-off valve from West Marine and will install it 
tomorrow and report back.  As for my starter not working Sunday when I pushed 
the button, I’ll let that remain a mystery unless it happens again.  Maybe I 
didn’t have the ignition switch pulled out far enough when I pressed the button.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Listers-
> 
> I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
> to share.
> 
> When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
> then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
> flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
> ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
> started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
> out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
> couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
> happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t 
> have enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though 
> my other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled 
> the batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 
> volts and 83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% 
> and 12.9 volts.
> 
> So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
> circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
> as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
> start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
> step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
> hypotheses.
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 301- #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
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> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

 When I replaced the ignition switch, a simple pull on push off, I changed it 
to a three position switch.
I don't think this is exactly it but close:

M-476-BX

https://www.carltonbates.com/static/catalog/products/images/PDF/M-476-BX.pdf

On the first detent out I use #1 for the ignition.. The second detent ( further 
out ) still has #1 powered
for the ignition and I used #2 for the gauge lights. I normally do not light 
the gauges during the
day, and may want darkness at some point at night.

I think the switch I used moves the contact material between the first and 
second position so sort
of like a backup switch.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1





From: Bruce Whitmore  

 
Good point, Michael.? There is a significant difference that I failed to 
mention between the in/out ignition switch and the push button, and in 
retrospect it may have been the push/pull that I replaced - It's been a lot of 
years, and I just replaced a different type of silver pushbutton switch on my 
37/40+.?  
 
Good insights from all,  
?Bruce Whitmore 
 
(847) 404-5092 (mobile) 
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net 
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Good point, Michael.  There is a significant difference that I failed to 
mention between the in/out ignition switch and the push button, and in 
retrospect it may have been the push/pull that I replaced - It's been a lot of 
years, and I just replaced a different type of silver pushbutton switch on my 
37/40+.  

Good insights from all, 
 Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


  From: Michael Brown via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Brown <m...@tkg.ca>
 Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 9:21 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out
   
Hi Randy,

  a common wiring configuration has a positive wire coming from the starter stud
to the ignition switch in. The ignition switch out feeds the ignition coil, 
starter button
and gauges. If you pull the ignition switch on it should move the fuel gauge, 
ignition
off might return the gauge to empty.

  If so that will confirm power is getting to and through the ignition switch.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 17:15:08 -0600
From: Randy Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out
Message-ID: <8f1bd72a-bd6e-4e04-b0a3-4e09edff3...@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi Doug,

No noise whatsoever when I pushed the starter button.  It was as if there 
wasn?t enough current to activate the starter, but the batteries *did* have 
enough charge at the time.

Cheers,
Randy

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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Hi Randy,

  a common wiring configuration has a positive wire coming from the starter stud
to the ignition switch in. The ignition switch out feeds the ignition coil, 
starter button
and gauges. If you pull the ignition switch on it should move the fuel gauge, 
ignition
off might return the gauge to empty.

  If so that will confirm power is getting to and through the ignition switch.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 17:15:08 -0600 
From: Randy Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net> 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out 
Message-ID: <8f1bd72a-bd6e-4e04-b0a3-4e09edff3...@comcast.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
Hi Doug, 
 
No noise whatsoever when I pushed the starter button.  It was as if there 
wasn?t enough current to activate the starter, but the batteries *did* have 
enough charge at the time. 
 
Cheers, 
Randy 
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Hello all,
I think I would reiterate what a few have said here, but the diagnostics are as 
follows:
1).  If the engine is making no noise whatsoever when the pushbutton switch is 
depressed, check the switch first.  You should be able to do this by jumping 
the contacts momentarily.  I had a switch fail, and its pretty easy to find a 
replacement.  Based on your description, I would not expect a hydrolock, but of 
course, its best to close the seacock until you can get the engine running so 
you don't suck water into the engine.  Jump other places as needed to confirm 
the issue.  

2).  As for it dying there are two issues to suspect.  First is the coil.  When 
the get hot, they can fail, and then allow you to restart at another time.  
That has nothing to do with the engine not turning over, though (of course).  
The second, and also very high on potential failure issues is the combination 
of points & condenser.  After 10+ years of owning our 1977 C 27 MKIII, I 
converted it to electronic ignition by ordering the parts from Moyer Marine.  
When I got done adding up the cost of points, condenser, cap & rotor, a couple 
changes and it almost equaled the cost of the Moyer conversion.  It was VERY 
easy to install, and the reliability of the motor jumped 100%.  No more 
overheated coils, burned distributor caps, and even the plugs ran a lot 
cleaner.  Just the ability to rely on the engine to a much greater extent was 
worth the money.  Crank the engine with a plug out, stuck in the plug wire cap 
and grounded to the engine, and if you don't have spark, its definitely an 
ignition issue.  If the coil is oily on the outside (or is cracked), then 
definitely replace the coil as a first step.  By the way the coils and even the 
points & condensers can normally be found at an auto parts store - look up the 
conversions online, or if you can't find them, email me and I can probably get 
them for you.  

3).  Dying can also be caused by a carburetor problem, most likely a clogged 
jet.  The carburetor is again, VERY easy to overhaul, and if you are gentle 
taking it apart, you can probably do it without replacing any of the gaskets in 
a pinch.  I did so for years, and never had to buy new gaskets, but of course 
others here might criticize me for not doing so.  Again, this would have 
nothing to do with the engine not turning over.
Don Moyer's A-4 manual is also highly recommended.  It's not cheap, but between 
the well written descriptions and the photos, its a real lifesaver (much better 
than the Yanmar manufacturer manuals IMHO).
Feel free to drop me an email directly or call my number below if you need more 
info.
Kindest Regards, 
 Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


  From: Michael Cotton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 To: Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Michael Cotton <mpc51...@yahoo.com>
 Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 8:40 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out
   
 I had an ignition coil fail on  my A4. It would start and run then cut out. 
Sometimes restart sometimes not.  A coil replacement corrected the problem. 
On Monday, September 18, 2017, 5:38:28 PM MDT, Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:  
 
  Might try checking the ground on the engine.  Mine had that problem a number 
of years ago, taking it off and cleaning it up
 solved the problem.  Of course mine is a diesel and yours is gas, but I would 
expect that the ground would be wired similarly.
 Food for thought.
  
 On 9/18/2017 8:15 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List wrote:
  
 
 Hi Doug, 
  No noise whatsoever when I pushed the starter button.  It was as if there 
wasn’t enough current to activate the starter, but the batteries *did* have 
enough charge at the time. 
  Cheers, Randy 

 On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:08 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote: 
  
 Randy, Are you getting any noise out of starter (click) when trying to start? 
Even if you are hydro locked you should hear a click at the starter solenoid if 
electrics are good.  Check the coil for cracks, check points and condenser, or 
electronic pick-up, ignition switch for loose/bad connections.   Good luck.  
  
  
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    Original message  From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  Date: 9/18/17 07:29 (GMT-08:00)  To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com  Cc: Randal Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net>  
Subject: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out  
   Listers-
 
 I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
to share.
 
 When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
ensuring the 

Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Michael Cotton via CnC-List]

 I had an ignition coil fail on  my A4. It would start and run then cut out. 
Sometimes restart sometimes not.  A coil replacement corrected the problem. 
On Monday, September 18, 2017, 5:38:28 PM MDT, Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
  
Might try checking the ground on the engine.  Mine had that problem a number of 
years ago, taking it off and cleaning it up
 solved the problem.  Of course mine is a diesel and yours is gas, but I would 
expect that the ground would be wired similarly.
 Food for thought.
 
 
 On 9/18/2017 8:15 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List wrote:
  
 
 Hi Doug, 
  No noise whatsoever when I pushed the starter button.  It was as if there 
wasn’t enough current to activate the starter, but the batteries *did* have 
enough charge at the time. 
  Cheers, Randy 

 On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:08 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List  
wrote: 
  
 Randy, Are you getting any noise out of starter (click) when trying to start? 
Even if you are hydro locked you should hear a click at the starter solenoid if 
electrics are good.  Check the coil for cracks, check points and condenser, or 
electronic pick-up, ignition switch for loose/bad connections.   Good luck.  
  
  
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Lf38  Rebecca Leah LF39  
    Original message  From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
  Date: 9/18/17 07:29 (GMT-08:00)  To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com  Cc: Randal Stafford   
Subject: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out  
   Listers-
 
 I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
to share.
 
 When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
ensuring the petcock was in the open  position and the tank was full, she 
started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t have 
enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though my 
other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled the 
batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 volts and 
83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% and 12.9 
volts.
 
 So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
hypotheses.
 
 Thanks in Advance,
 Randy Stafford
 S/V Grenadine
 C 301- #7
 Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List]

Might try checking the ground on the engine.  Mine had that problem a 
number of years ago, taking it off and cleaning it up
solved the problem.  Of course mine is a diesel and yours is gas, but I 
would expect that the ground would be wired similarly.

Food for thought.


On 9/18/2017 8:15 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Doug,

No noise whatsoever when I pushed the starter button.  It was as if 
there wasn’t enough current to activate the starter, but the batteries 
*did* have enough charge at the time.


Cheers,
Randy

On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:08 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Randy,
Are you getting any noise out of starter (click) when trying to 
start? Even if you are hydro locked you should hear a click at the 
starter solenoid if electrics are good.
Check the coil for cracks, check points and condenser, or electronic 
pick-up, ignition switch for loose/bad connections.

Good luck.



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POYC
Pegasus (for sale)
Lf38
Rebecca Leah LF39

 Original message 
From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List >

Date: 9/18/17 07:29 (GMT-08:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Randal Stafford >

Subject: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

Listers-

I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some 
thoughts to share.


When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as 
always.  But then she cut out heading away from the marina.  
Initially I suspected a fuel flow problem, as the petcock on the tank 
has become difficult to turn.  After ensuring the petcock was in the 
open position and the tank was full, she started right up again and 
ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut out again, and 
wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a couple 
hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries 
didn’t have enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous 
cranking, though my other electronics were running fine.  So I docked 
under sail power, pulled the batteries, and brought them home to 
charge.  They both tested at 12.7 volts and 83% charge when I put 
them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% and 12.9 volts.


So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty 
starter circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having 
the same effect as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get 
into the lazarette and start tracing the wiring and testing with a 
multimeter, but that’s my next step.  I thought I’d write the list 
first to see if anyone has any quick hypotheses.


Thanks in Advance,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 301- #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Hi Doug,

No noise whatsoever when I pushed the starter button.  It was as if there 
wasn’t enough current to activate the starter, but the batteries *did* have 
enough charge at the time.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:08 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Randy,
> Are you getting any noise out of starter (click) when trying to start? Even 
> if you are hydro locked you should hear a click at the starter solenoid if 
> electrics are good. 
> Check the coil for cracks, check points and condenser, or electronic pick-up, 
> ignition switch for loose/bad connections.  
> Good luck. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy 
> POYC 
> Pegasus (for sale) 
> Lf38 
> Rebecca Leah LF39 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
> Date: 9/18/17 07:29 (GMT-08:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Randal Stafford 
> Subject: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out
> 
> Listers-
> 
> I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
> to share.
> 
> When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
> then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
> flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
> ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
> started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
> out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
> couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
> happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t 
> have enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though 
> my other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled 
> the batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 
> volts and 83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% 
> and 12.9 volts.
> 
> So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
> circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
> as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
> start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
> step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
> hypotheses.
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 301- #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Randy,Are you getting any noise out of starter (click) when trying to start? 
Even if you are hydro locked you should hear a click at the starter solenoid if 
electrics are good. Check the coil for cracks, check points and condenser, or 
electronic pick-up, ignition switch for loose/bad connections.  Good luck. 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus (for sale) Lf38 
Rebecca Leah LF39 
 Original message From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
 Date: 9/18/17  07:29  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Randal Stafford  Subject: 
Stus-List A4 Cutting Out 
Listers-

I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
to share.

When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t have 
enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though my 
other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled the 
batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 volts and 
83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% and 12.9 
volts.

So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
hypotheses.

Thanks in Advance,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 301- #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

If you water lock it, it won’t crank anymore (nor you would be able to turn it 
over by hand). Don’t ask how I know.

Marek

From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 13:19
To: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Cc: Danny Haughey
Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

depending on how much cranking you did, could be hydro locked? pull the
plugs and see how they look and hope you don't get water out.

I did have an issue with a bad wire to the coil.  it seemed the wire
would heat up and beak the connection somehow after running a bit and
then allow it to start again after it cooled a while.  I replaced the
wire and it did the trick.

Danny


On 9/18/2017 10:37 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
> I would jump over to the Moyer Marine forum for this.
> http://www.moyermarine.com/
>
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randal 
> Stafford via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:30 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Randal Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
> Subject: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out
>
> Listers-
>
> I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
> to share.
>
> When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
> then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
> flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
> ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
> started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
> out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
> couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
> happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t 
> have enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though 
> my other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled 
> the batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 
> volts and 83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% 
> and 12.9 volts.
>
> So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
> circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
> as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
> start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
> step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
> hypotheses.
>
> Thanks in Advance,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 301- #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

the guy sitting in the office next to me just went through this on his 
powerboat with a V8. He said the same thing and thought it had to be the 
starter.  I guess the starter will push against the locked engine and 
stay there.  Then it has no where to go and is all stuck.  He pulled his 
plugs and got water out.



On 9/18/2017 2:44 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List wrote:
Thanks Danny and Jim.  I registered on the Moyer Marine forum and will 
post the question there as well.


I doubt I cranked it enough to hydro-lock it.  When it cut out the 
last time, I cranked it twice for maybe five or six seconds each time. 
 Enough to suck fuel through if necessary, but no more.  There’s no 
point in continuing to crank, I figure, and risk running the batteries 
down.  If it won’t start in a few seconds of cranking then something 
is wrong.


But I didn’t know about the hydro-locking potential.  I’ll change the 
oil and pull the plugs and see what it looks like.


But even hydro-locking wouldn’t explain why the starter wouldn’t 
operate when I pushed the starter button the last time and nothing 
happened.  I’m inclined to suspect one or more faulty circuits.


Cheers,
Randy

On Sep 18, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


When I owned an Atomic 4, I was told to close the water intake when 
cranking the engine for more than a few seconds because the waterways 
in the block were open at the top and would splash into the oil sump 
under heavy cranking.  After a number of initial problems with water 
in the oil, this cleared things up, so I always believed it.
I had a similar issue with that engine cutting out.  In that case the 
issue was a hairline crack in the rotor in the distributor.  When it 
heated up enough, it would distort and no longer make proper contact 
with the points.
I sold that boat to buy my 30-2 with a Yanmar and have never 
regretted it!  Diesels have their own challenges, but it just seems 
like there is a lot more to wrong with an A4.

Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 "FIrewater"
Milwaukee, WI

- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out
From: "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: 9/18/17 10:14 am
To: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: "Danny Haughey" <djhaug...@juno.com <mailto:djhaug...@juno.com>>

depending on how much cranking you did, could be hydro locked?
pull the
plugs and see how they look and hope you don't get water out.

I did have an issue with a bad wire to the coil.  it seemed the wire
would heat up and beak the connection somehow after running a bit
and
then allow it to start again after it cooled a while. I replaced the
wire and it did the trick.

Danny


On 9/18/2017 10:37 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
> I would jump over to the Moyer Marine forum for this.
> http://www.moyermarine.com/
>
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf
Of Randal Stafford via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:30 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Randal Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net
<mailto:randy.staff...@comcast.net>>
> Subject: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out
>
> Listers-
>
> I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have
some thoughts to share.
>
> When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as
always. But then she cut out heading away from the marina.
Initially I suspected a fuel flow problem, as the petcock on the
tank has become difficult to turn. After ensuring the petcock was
in the open position and the tank was full, she started right up
again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes. Then she cut out
again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking. I sailed
for a couple hours anyway. When I tried to start her to come back
in, nothing happened when I pressed the starter button. I assumed
my batteries didn’t have enough amperage for the starter, after
all the previous cranking, though my other electronics were
running fine. So I docked under sail power, pulled the batteries,
and brought them home to charge. They both tested at 12.7 volts
and 83% charge when I put them on my charger. Now they’re both at
100% and 12.9 volts.
>
> So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a
faulty starter circuit. Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire
is having the same effect as pushing in the ignition switch. I’ve
ye

Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks Danny and Jim.  I registered on the Moyer Marine forum and will post the 
question there as well.

I doubt I cranked it enough to hydro-lock it.  When it cut out the last time, I 
cranked it twice for maybe five or six seconds each time.  Enough to suck fuel 
through if necessary, but no more.  There’s no point in continuing to crank, I 
figure, and risk running the batteries down.  If it won’t start in a few 
seconds of cranking then something is wrong.

But I didn’t know about the hydro-locking potential.  I’ll change the oil and 
pull the plugs and see what it looks like.

But even hydro-locking wouldn’t explain why the starter wouldn’t operate when I 
pushed the starter button the last time and nothing happened.  I’m inclined to 
suspect one or more faulty circuits.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> When I owned an Atomic 4, I was told to close the water intake when cranking 
> the engine for more than a few seconds because the waterways in the block 
> were open at the top and would splash into the oil sump under heavy cranking. 
>  After a number of initial problems with water in the oil, this cleared 
> things up, so I always believed it.  
>  
> I had a similar issue with that engine cutting out.  In that case the issue 
> was a hairline crack in the rotor in the distributor.  When it heated up 
> enough, it would distort and no longer make proper contact with the points.  
>  
> I sold that boat to buy my 30-2 with a Yanmar and have never regretted it!  
> Diesels have their own challenges, but it just seems like there is a lot more 
> to wrong with an A4.
>  
> Jim Reinardy
> C 30-2 "FIrewater"
> Milwaukee, WI 
> - Original Message -
> Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out
> From: "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 9/18/17 10:14 am
> To: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: "Danny Haughey" <djhaug...@juno.com>
> 
> depending on how much cranking you did, could be hydro locked? pull the 
> plugs and see how they look and hope you don't get water out.
> 
> I did have an issue with a bad wire to the coil.  it seemed the wire 
> would heat up and beak the connection somehow after running a bit and 
> then allow it to start again after it cooled a while.  I replaced the 
> wire and it did the trick.
> 
> Danny
> 
> 
> On 9/18/2017 10:37 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
> > I would jump over to the Moyer Marine forum for this.
> > http://www.moyermarine.com/
> >
> > Joe
> > Coquina
> > C 35 MK I
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randal 
> > Stafford via CnC-List
> > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:30 AM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Cc: Randal Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
> > Subject: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out
> >
> > Listers-
> >
> > I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some 
> > thoughts to share.
> >
> > When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always. But 
> > then she cut out heading away from the marina. Initially I suspected a fuel 
> > flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn. 
> > After ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, 
> > she started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes. Then she 
> > cut out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking. I sailed for 
> > a couple hours anyway. When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
> > happened when I pressed the starter button. I assumed my batteries didn’t 
> > have enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, 
> > though my other electronics were running fine. So I docked under sail 
> > power, pulled the batteries, and brought them home to charge. They both 
> > tested at 12.7 volts and 83% charge when I put them on my charger. Now 
> > they’re both at 100% and 12.9 volts.
> >
> > So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
> > circuit. Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same 
> > effect as pushing in the ignition switch. I’ve yet to get into the 
> > lazarette and start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but 
> > that’s my next step. I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone 
> > has any quick hypotheses.
> >
> > Thanks in Advance,
> > Randy Stafford
> > S/V Grenadine
> > C 301- #7
> > Ken 

Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

 
When I owned an Atomic 4, I was told to close the water intake when cranking 
the engine for more than a few seconds because the waterways in the block were 
open at the top and would splash into the oil sump under heavy cranking.  After 
a number of initial problems with water in the oil, this cleared things up, so 
I always believed it.  
 
I had a similar issue with that engine cutting out.  In that case the issue was 
a hairline crack in the rotor in the distributor.  When it heated up enough, it 
would distort and no longer make proper contact with the points.  
 
I sold that boat to buy my 30-2 with a Yanmar and have never regretted it!  
Diesels have their own challenges, but it just seems like there is a lot more 
to wrong with an A4.
 
Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 "FIrewater"
Milwaukee, WI 
- Original Message - Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out
From: "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: 9/18/17 10:14 am
To: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: "Danny Haughey" <djhaug...@juno.com>

depending on how much cranking you did, could be hydro locked? pull the 
 plugs and see how they look and hope you don't get water out.
 
 I did have an issue with a bad wire to the coil.  it seemed the wire 
 would heat up and beak the connection somehow after running a bit and 
 then allow it to start again after it cooled a while.  I replaced the 
 wire and it did the trick.
 
 Danny
 
 
 On 9/18/2017 10:37 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
 > I would jump over to the Moyer Marine forum for this.
 > http://www.moyermarine.com/
 >
 > Joe
 > Coquina
 > C 35 MK I
 >
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randal 
 > Stafford via CnC-List
 > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:30 AM
 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 > Cc: Randal Stafford <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
 > Subject: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out
 >
 > Listers-
 >
 > I'm having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some 
 > thoughts to share.
 >
 > When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always. But 
 > then she cut out heading away from the marina. Initially I suspected a fuel 
 > flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn. After 
 > ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
 > started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes. Then she cut 
 > out again, and wouldn't start back up after some cranking. I sailed for a 
 > couple hours anyway. When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
 > happened when I pressed the starter button. I assumed my batteries didn't 
 > have enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, 
 > though my other electronics were running fine. So I docked under sail power, 
 > pulled the batteries, and brought them home to charge. They both tested at 
 > 12.7 volts and 83% charge when I put them on my charger. Now they're both at 
 > 100% and 12.9 volts.
 >
 > So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
 > circuit. Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
 > as pushing in the ignition switch. I've yet to get into the lazarette and 
 > start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that's my next 
 > step. I thought I'd write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
 > hypotheses.
 >
 > Thanks in Advance,
 > Randy Stafford
 > S/V Grenadine
 > C 301- #7
 > Ken Caryl, CO
 > ___
 >
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

depending on how much cranking you did, could be hydro locked? pull the 
plugs and see how they look and hope you don't get water out.


I did have an issue with a bad wire to the coil.  it seemed the wire 
would heat up and beak the connection somehow after running a bit and 
then allow it to start again after it cooled a while.  I replaced the 
wire and it did the trick.


Danny


On 9/18/2017 10:37 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:

I would jump over to the Moyer Marine forum for this.
http://www.moyermarine.com/

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randal 
Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:30 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Randal Stafford 
Subject: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

Listers-

I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
to share.

When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t have 
enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though my 
other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled the 
batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 volts and 
83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% and 12.9 
volts.

So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
hypotheses.

Thanks in Advance,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 301- #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Check the internal walls of your fuel line is not collapsing - had this on a 
friends C 29 a few years back - 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randal 
Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:30 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Randal Stafford 
Subject: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

Listers-

I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
to share.

When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t have 
enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though my 
other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled the 
batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 volts and 
83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% and 12.9 
volts.

So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
hypotheses.

Thanks in Advance,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 301- #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I would jump over to the Moyer Marine forum for this.
http://www.moyermarine.com/

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randal 
Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:30 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Randal Stafford 
Subject: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

Listers-

I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
to share.

When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t have 
enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though my 
other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled the 
batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 volts and 
83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% and 12.9 
volts.

So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
hypotheses.

Thanks in Advance,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 301- #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Check the fuel bowl for sediment.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 10:30 AM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Listers-
> 
> I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
> to share.
> 
> When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
> then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
> flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
> ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
> started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
> out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
> couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
> happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t 
> have enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though 
> my other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled 
> the batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 
> volts and 83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% 
> and 12.9 volts.
> 
> So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
> circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
> as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
> start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
> step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
> hypotheses.
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 301- #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
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