Re: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ?

2003-01-26 Thread Robert Simmons
the 0 documentation there, look around and you will see that the API is very badly commented, if at all.   -- Robert - Original Message - From: Derek Hohls To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: Re: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY

Re: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ?

2003-01-26 Thread Derek Hohls
  Hussayn is absolutely right here - there is a huge case that has built up over the last year for giving a "newbie-friendly" face to Cocoon.   We can go on for hours (and have, before) about power and scalability and performance and XSLT issues etc etc etc BUT all of those things should flo

Re: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ?

2003-01-26 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Robert Simmons wrote: Having Hello-World up in 12 hours is not exactly a steep request. I'm a cocoon developer and committer. I think I know what I'm saying. Base Cocoon is not difficult. But given the current documentation and examples, even only understanding what a "base" Cocoon usage is..

Re: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ?

2003-01-25 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Robert Simmons dijo: > Java and C++ both have places to start. You can get a Hello World up in > about 5 minutes. If you read just the 1st tutorial I pointed you in wiki you will dont told that. > This isn't a game. Its not a toy. Its not something that can be said "like it or leave it." Its a te

Re: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ?

2003-01-25 Thread Robert Simmons
r the evening. -- Robert - Original Message - From: "Geoff Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:01 AM Subject: RE: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ? > > -Original Message- > > From:

RE: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ?

2003-01-25 Thread Geoff Howard
> -Original Message- > From: Robert Simmons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ? > > > The biggest concept that has me is. "Ok

Re: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ?

2003-01-25 Thread Robert Simmons
rt of endless loop. -- Robert - Original Message - From: "Geoff Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:07 AM Subject: RE: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ? > > Java and C+

RE: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ?

2003-01-25 Thread Geoff Howard
> Java and C++ both have places to start. You can get a Hello World > up in about 5 minutes. I don't think you're asking for a "hello world". I did a hello world within a few minutes of first downloading cocoon a year ago. Put an xml file somewhere. Put an xsl file somewhere. In the main sitema

Re: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ?

2003-01-25 Thread SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous
Antonio, sorry, i really misinterpreted your last email. Seems i was wrong (big apologize!) this was really not meant against you. Let me explain what i have in mind: >In the OpenSources the things goes a diferent way. This is not a >company where are people getting money to support you. Then th

Re: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ?

2003-01-25 Thread Robert Simmons
nal Message ----- From: "Antonio Gallardo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:38 AM Subject: Re: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ? > SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous dijo: > > And especially the newbies can give so valua

Re: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ?

2003-01-25 Thread Antonio Gallardo
SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous dijo: > And especially the newbies can give so valuable insight, even if they seem to be ignorant (they aren't ignorant at all. They are new to this !!!) Yes I know this point, but for this reason you cannot just come here and after 12 hours, start attacking something you

Re: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ?

2003-01-25 Thread SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous
I wonder why sometimes when it comes to criticism of cocoon the arguments fly higher and higher until someone gets really pissed of and angry ... And why is it so many times a newbie who becomes the center of this game ? (Also one of my first newbie questions boiled up beyond the limits, but i'm s