Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote: > No, but parsing holding statements for something that just gets cut off > early or which starts late should be easy unless entry is insanely > inconsistent. Andthere it is. :-) We're really dealing with a few problems here: - Inconsis

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

> Oh you really do mean complete like "complete publication run"? Very few > of our journal holdings are "complete" in that sense, they are definitely in > the minority. We start getting something after issue 1, or stop getting it > before the last issue. Or stop and then start again. > > Is this

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

Oh you really do mean complete like "complete publication run"? Very few of our journal holdings are "complete" in that sense, they are definitely in the minority. We start getting something after issue 1, or stop getting it before the last issue. Or stop and then start again. Is this really

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean by "complete" holdings? The library holds the > entire run of the journal from the first issue printed to the last/current? > Or just holdings that dont' include "missing" statements? > Obviously, there has to

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Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

Tom Keays wrote: a) the person may not have (or know they have) an affiliation to a given institution, Then how is WorldCat going to help, if they have no idea which institutions listed they might be able to get the book from! b) may be coming from outside their institution's IP range so

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

I'm not sure what you mean by "complete" holdings? The library holds the entire run of the journal from the first issue printed to the last/current? Or just holdings that dont' include "missing" statements? Perhaps other institutions have more easily parseable holdings data (or even holdings d

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

I do provide the user with the proxied WorldCat URL for just the reasons Jonathan cites. But, no, being an otherwise open web resource, you can't force a user to use it. On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > > I haven't yet found any good way to do this if the user is off-c

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

I think my perspective of the user's goal is actually the same (or close enough to the same) as David's, just stated differently. The user wants the most local copy or, failing that, a way to order it from another source. However, I have plenty of examples of faculty and occasional grad students w

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

> > But if you think it's easy, please, give it a try and get back to us. :) > Maybe your library's data is cleaner than mine. > > I don't think it's easy, but I think detecting *complete* holdings is a big part of the picture and that can be done fairly well. Cleanliness of data will vary from on

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

Kyle Banerjee schrieb: This might not be as bad as people think. The normal argument is that holdings are in free text and there's no way staff will ever have enough time to record volume level holdings. However, significant chunks of the problem can be addressed using relatively simple methods.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Northwest meeting report

A couple of presenters have already added links to their presentation slides on the Schedule page at: http://groups.google.com/group/pnwcode4lib/web/code4lib-northwest-2010 Perhaps we could encourage other presenters to do this as well? Shirley On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Kyle Banerjee wrot

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

When I've tried to do this, it's been much harder than your story, I'm afraid. My library data is very inconsistent in the way it expresses it's holdings. Even _without_ "missing" items, the holdings are expressed in human-readable narrative form which is very difficult to parse reliably. Th

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Northwest meeting report

Event was not recorded, but I'm sure a shoutout for slides will generate some nice stuff to link to. Note to self: in future, it might not be a bad idea to copy slides to a flash drive after each presentation kyle On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Ed Summers wrote: > Wow, this looks like it

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

> > > The trick here is that traditional library metadata practices make it > _very > > hard_ to tell if a _specific volume/issue_ is held by a given library. > And > > those are the most common use cases for OpenURL. > > > > Yep. That's true even for individual library's with link resolvers. OCLC

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

IF the user is coming from a recognized on-campus IP, you can configure WorldCat to give the user an ILL link to your library too. At least if you use ILLiad, maybe if you use something else (esp if your ILL software can accept OpenURLs too!). I haven't yet found any good way to do this if the

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

> It seems like the more productive path if the goal of a user is > simply to locate a copy, where ever it is held. But I don't think users have *locating a copy* as their goal. Rather, I think their goal is to *get their hands on the book*. If I discover a book via COINs, and you drop me off a

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

Tom Keays wrote: I was mainly thinking of sources that use COinS. If you have a rarely held book, for instance, then OpenURLs resolved against random institutional endpoints are going to mostly be unproductive. However, a "union" catalog such as OCLC already has the information about libraries i

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > The trick here is that traditional library metadata practices make it _very > hard_ to tell if a _specific volume/issue_ is held by a given library. And > those are the most common use cases for OpenURL. > Yep. That's true even for ind

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