2010/10/29 Gerard Meijssen
> Hoi,
> At the Europeana conference in Amsterdam they informed us about a museum
> where they had not only the terminology used by professionals, they also had
> labels that were added by the public. Analysis of the positive searches
> showed that 85% of the searches w
Hoi,
At the Europeana conference in Amsterdam they informed us about a museum
where they had not only the terminology used by professionals, they also had
labels that were added by the public. Analysis of the positive searches
showed that 85% of the searches where because of labels only 15% was bec
Hoi,
When Chaim Potok wrote about crucifixions in "My name is Asher Lev" he wrote
that they are part of the art of a painter. You will find suffering, love,
beauty, devotion, belief all expressed in paintings. The western tradition
is one where the proverb "a picture paints a thousand words" is acc
>
> in ontological structure - they already have the category tree. It's
> for the casual user to type in a few words they're thinking of. Think
> something like Getty Images. "Commons is sorta like Getty Images
> except it's all free and the search sucks."
>
> And why not work on metadata? If you
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:35 PM, David Gerard wrote:
>
> Indeed. Remember that the audience for this is not people interested
> in ontological structure - they already have the category tree. It's
> for the casual user to type in a few words they're thinking of. Think
> something like Getty Image
Very nice indeed!
I'd add to Magnus's thoughts the following:
* By combining tags with categories in search we can achieve "subgrouping"
without actually going through tags and doing categories all over again.
Then we can use parent and sub-categories for "see also", "did you mean.."
or "narrow y
Op 29 okt 2010, om 19:35 heeft David Gerard het volgende geschreven:
On 29 October 2010 17:55, Krinkle wrote:
One could search for a tag, and another and another narrowing down
your search.
I can't imagine how many times I was looking for something simple and
being forced
to make a specific c
On 29 October 2010 17:55, Krinkle wrote:
> One could search for a tag, and another and another narrowing down
> your search.
> I can't imagine how many times I was looking for something simple and
> being forced
> to make a specific choise in order to see a picture.
Indeed. Remember that the au
Op 29 okt 2010, om 18:34 heeft Maarten Dammers het volgende geschreven:
> Imho the most important
> problem of our current system is intersections. Category:Churches gets
> too crowded so we intersect it with locations (I even wrote a bot to
> do
> that). This "hides" a lot of images. We want to
Hi,
In fact, there are so many improvements to do:
- first IP should have their interface localised at any time, may be by cookies
or browser setting language, I know it's not easy and so one... (there is a bug
on bugzilla somewhere)
- allow categories to be localised, I know it's not obvious, I
Hi guys,
So we're having the tags discussion again? Pops up every once in a
while. Tags is a step backwards compared to categories. With tags there
is a relation between an object (a photo) and a word. No way of telling
what the relation is, what language the tag is, no relations between
tags
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Michael Peel wrote:
>
> On 28 Oct 2010, at 20:38, Maarten Dammers wrote:
>
>> Op 28-10-2010 20:56, Gerard Meijssen schreef:
>>> Hoi,
>>> I am writing a series of blog posts about Commons. My aim is to identify
>>> the issues that I have with how it functions. The
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Krinkle wrote:
> Op 29 okt 2010, om 15:29 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Gerard Meijssen
>> wrote:
>>> Hoi,
>>> Typically I am happy with hacks but this is an exception. The
>>> terminology
>>> used in the catego
Op 29 okt 2010, om 15:29 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven:
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> wrote:
>> Hoi,
>> Typically I am happy with hacks but this is an exception. The
>> terminology
>> used in the categories are not optimal. The use of plural, the use
>> of
On 10/28/2010 2:56 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> I am writing a series of blog posts about Commons. My aim is to
> identify the issues that I have with how it functions. There are
> several and I do not bother to write about the ones that are being
> tackled by the team around Guillaume
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Hoi,
> Typically I am happy with hacks but this is an exception. The terminology
> used in the categories are not optimal. The use of plural, the use of latin
> names for organisms.. It is better for people to add new tags because
> otherwi
Hoi,
Typically I am happy with hacks but this is an exception. The terminology
used in the categories are not optimal. The use of plural, the use of latin
names for organisms.. It is better for people to add new tags because
otherwise they think "it has to be like that".
Thank,
GerardM
On 29
Op 29 okt 2010, om 15:13 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven:
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Krinkle
> wrote:
>> So [[Tag:Blume]] would never appear in wiki-text. Instead
>> [[Tag:Flower]] or [[Tag:100]] (depending
>> on the sytem we decide to use). And in sidebar (and whereever els
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Magnus Manske
wrote:
> Another idea: Instead of inventing new syntax or pseudo-HTML tags, why
> not use language links? On [[Tag:Flower]]
> [[en:Flower]]
> [[de:Blume]]
>
Because you want to avoid using a single syntax for multiple purposes
if different contexts. W
Op 29 okt 2010, om 15:10 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven:
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Krinkle
> wrote:
>> Op 29 okt 2010, om 14:51 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> Multilanguage tags, as well as synonyms, could simply be implemented
>>> as #REDIRECTs, maybe
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Krinkle wrote:
> So [[Tag:Blume]] would never appear in wiki-text. Instead
> [[Tag:Flower]] or [[Tag:100]] (depending
> on the sytem we decide to use). And in sidebar (and whereever else
> tag_i18n is consulted) the currect language
> appears.
[[Tag:Flower]] would
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Krinkle wrote:
> Op 29 okt 2010, om 14:51 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Multilanguage tags, as well as synonyms, could simply be implemented
>> as #REDIRECTs, maybe. [[Tag:Blume]] would redirect to [[Tag:Flower]],
>> so a search for "Blume" woul
Op 29 okt 2010, om 15:01 heeft Bryan Tong Minh het volgende geschreven:
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Magnus Manske
> wrote:
>> Multilanguage tags, as well as synonyms, could simply be implemented
>> as #REDIRECTs, maybe. [[Tag:Blume]] would redirect to [[Tag:Flower]],
>> so a search for "Bl
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Krinkle wrote:
> Op 29 okt 2010, om 14:51 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Tong Minh
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Krinkle
>>> wrote:
For one, tags would not be hierarchical and not sto
Op 29 okt 2010, om 14:51 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven:
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Tong Minh
> wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Krinkle
>> wrote:
>>> For one, tags would not be hierarchical and not stored under a name,
>>> rather a number (an id if you wil
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Magnus Manske
wrote:
> Multilanguage tags, as well as synonyms, could simply be implemented
> as #REDIRECTs, maybe. [[Tag:Blume]] would redirect to [[Tag:Flower]],
> so a search for "Blume" would know about "Flower" easily. However, the
> system would then have to
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Tong Minh
wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Krinkle wrote:
>> For one, tags would not be hierarchical and not stored under a name,
>> rather a number (an id if you will).
>
> I would store the tag-i18n definitions in a separate Tag: namespace.
> Then
Op 29 okt 2010, om 14:36 heeft Bryan Tong Minh het volgende geschreven:
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Krinkle
> wrote:
>> For one, tags would not be hierarchical and not stored under a name,
>> rather a number (an id if you will).
>
> I would store the tag-i18n definitions in a separate Ta
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Krinkle wrote:
> For one, tags would not be hierarchical and not stored under a name,
> rather a number (an id if you will).
I would store the tag-i18n definitions in a separate Tag: namespace.
Then you don't need to create the history tracking etc. all by
yoursel
Op 29 okt 2010, om 10:13 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven:
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:32 AM, David Gerard
> wrote:
>> On 29 October 2010 02:11, Neil Kandalgaonkar
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The debate I see on Commons and elsewhere focuses on trying to fix
>>> Categories, but frankly IMO i
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:32 AM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 29 October 2010 02:11, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote:
>
>> The debate I see on Commons and elsewhere focuses on trying to fix
>> Categories, but frankly IMO it would be better to migrate them to some
>> other systems entirely.
>
>
> :Let me pre
> If the metadata was more accessible, more people would fill it in.
> see e.g.
>
> http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Dublin_Core
>
> I definitely agree.
A good metadata system could really improve the situation: moreover,
a Metadata/Dublin Core extension could be implemented also in Wiki
Hoi,
Yes, tags can be translated too.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 29 October 2010 09:32, David Gerard wrote:
> On 29 October 2010 02:11, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote:
>
> > The debate I see on Commons and elsewhere focuses on trying to fix
> > Categories, but frankly IMO it would be better to migrate t
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote:
> (Of course, our main *disadvantage* is also MediaWiki, since random
> templates do not add up to a real indexing system. That's the main thing
> we need to build).
>
Related to that: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25624
S
On 29 October 2010 02:11, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote:
> The debate I see on Commons and elsewhere focuses on trying to fix
> Categories, but frankly IMO it would be better to migrate them to some
> other systems entirely.
:Let me precis several years' wishlisting on the topic:
* Tagging would be
Michael Snow wrote:
On 10/28/2010 6:11 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote:
>> I was just talking about this with some other people at the WMF... I
>> don't fully understand the ramifications of the debate, but it seems
>> obvious to me that categories as implemented are not useful.
>>
>> The debate I see
36 matches
Mail list logo
