uments and
putting them in a more coherent manner:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
http://www.apache.org/dev/
(Trying to make these endless clarification and discussion threads into
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unfortunatly I still fail to do)
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Does anyone know, and preferably have any authorative-like links ??
http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html
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+1
I can't agree more.
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Sam Ruby wrote:
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Since you don't seem sensible to common sense
[snip]
Just don't expect to change people, as it will never happen,
especially if you are attacking them.
Consider taking your own advice.
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t like a project you don't like...
take the code, change it, repackage it, do what you want as long as you
give credit.
Just don't expect to change people, as it will never happen, especially
if you are attacking them.
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If you don't understand this, you don't understand Apache.
[1] http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=9045938&query=kolkhoz&ct=
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I'm cross-posting to lists where there might be interest in helping you
out on this.
www.daffodildb.com
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aspirations and ideas. If we fail to give this, we will steadily loose
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Edit the projects.xml descriptor, run ant, and get the results in build.
http://cvs.apache.org/~nicolaken/whiteboard/apachelogos/
http://cvs.apache.org/~nicolaken/whiteboard/apachelogos/#moreinfo
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good test for developers. I guess the SA guys would benefit from using
it at Apache, as it seems to be a good testbed.
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change it all) from there.
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start
organizing it now though, if we want to participate.
Cool, I'm interested (I live in Crema [1]).
Which one, this one:
Padova 6-7-8- Maggio 2004 ?
http://www.webbitcon.org/article/articleview/1005/
http://www.webbitcon.org/
[1] see nicolaken @ http://cvs.apache.org/~dirkx/sgala.html
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Andy, for one that rants about tricameral votes (which have been
abandoned looong ago), you are pretty trigger-happy about cross-posting.
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ggestion.
I will soon ask projects to send a status update, so we will see soon if
you are right (I hope so :-)
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Glenn Nielsen wrote:
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Although Tomcat is not a TLP, it is the cornerstone on which
Jakarta was built, and is high enough in profile to deserve
being listed on the T-shirt IMHO.
*This* is the real reason why Tomcat should become a TLP! ;-)
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process
looks obscure from the outside, even when, reading the relevant
(private) messages makes the process obvious and non-controversial.
Should most of those processes be held in public?
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Phil Steitz wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Phil Steitz wrote:
Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
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I don't think that effective decision-making in a large organization
*requires* bureacracy.
You're right. It requires responsibility.
It's possible that an entity is responsible of so
In Apache it's mainly meritocratic communities that
decide through the Apache decision-making process (not necessarily
voting). Here it seems that it's not clear who is ultimately responsible
for this, or if there is lack of oversight, but I might be wrong.
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p all this
nonsense?
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We are not all male Americans, so we should also keep in mind that
others see and feel things differently.
On cocoon-dev I just say this link, and I think it's quite appropriate:
http://www.cozy.org/ben/nsf.html
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Someone interested in working on it?
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with only some projects.
- I'd tone down the nagging of projects that don't contribute. Just point
at their website and let it be.
Yes, but I think that making it quarterly would reduce this anyhow.
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s (if it originates at Apache).
If you want to get it off the ground, MHO is to start looking for a
sponsoring PMC and work with them. TLP will come /eventually/ later,
maybe after 6 months, on year, two years, or never.
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Oh well...
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), even if we have
multi-mega attachments for the technical drawings, but it can do all and
it's easy and stable.
I love it :-)
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onder what the point is.
Making a fix remain so. I can't remember how many times, without unit
testing, the same error kept coming back.
In OS it's even more necessary, as committers come and go... it's a way
of writing down knowledge and keeping it there with the cod
it is, IMO, a poor excuse for throwing away useful information.
Bah.
Use Subversion.
:-)
Release the baby!
;-)
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I think that the rule must change ASAP to use passwords, even if they
only have to be requested to the respective PMC.
:,-(
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to prevent profitability, which instead is the main aim AFAIK of many
that now choose GPL.
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he thinks about the "publicity" cause in the Apache
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have at least READ their software licenses before contacting me.
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*sigh*
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Please remove yourselves or add and edit at pleasure.
C
. First, let's have in the
incubator pages with all the links to the resources on Apache sites.
then let's make a common document and ask those projects to review it
and eventually switch to linking that. One by one. Step by step. :-)
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permission of the developer to download given that it's GPL (ie making
it clear)?
I'm asking it again because we are talking about buildtools here, not
jars used in the compilation, runtime, or linked in any
items for themselves and have them come out as RSS feeds.
RSS feeds are IMHO the first step in provifing an aggregated view of
project news.
It's a trivial thing to do actually, just a simple xsl stylesheet.
Anyone can put it in their favorite site publishing tool.
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ation, the blood of all blogs.
I'm going to add soon a news.xml file so that projects can add news
items for themselves and have them come out as RSS feeds.
Ok, this palliative is not real blogging, but probably kind of solves
part of the *need* that brings projects to ask for blogging.
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nd birth of new ideas or quick problem solving, not to
discuss things at lengths. Anyway, IMHO there are so many free IMs
systems available that till it becomes a problem we can use those with
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[1] http://tapestry.sourceforge.net
[2] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?TapestryProposal
Tapestry is a component-based web framework. Its created by a great
group of guys whom I have a
lot of respect for.
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Steven Noels wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
I'm looking into making these published via Gump, taking a parallel
route to the one Steven has taken. We'll soon see the solution and
work together on it.
I have been background talking with Sam and moved towards using Gump as
a datas
oute to the one Steven has taken. We'll soon see the solution and work
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Find me a personal page that has that problem and I'll agree with you.
P.S. There are about 590 people with commit right now!
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project-related stuff dashboard continue as such and add personal info
if/when they want to to the subdir.
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Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Dear ASF citizens,
I would like to propose the creation of the 'community.apache.org' web
site.
[...]
Please place your vote.
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http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=alexandria-dev&m=101678966312036&w=2
/Nicola Ken:/ Ok, now how do I get the POI site to get updated?
/Stefan Bodewig:/ As soon as Sam feels the stuff is ready for him
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this once before and there wasn't much support but maybe it
could be looked at again.
I'm working into it.
Actually I have changes and todos available as RSS feeds on my machine,
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him if of interest.
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Jon
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Peter Donald wrote:
On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:58, Daniel Rall wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Peter Donald wrote:
Secondly make it so each project can have multiple vcs entrys (ie
Avalon and it's 6 or 7, turbine with the same).
Hmmm... this descriptor should
Daniel Rall wrote:
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Peter Donald wrote:
Hi,
Firstly rename bugtrack to issuetracker as many projects use the
issue tracker to store enhancement requests.
Hmmm, how about:
http://..."/>
http://..."/>
Naw, just about ever
Costin Manolache wrote:
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:45, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Costin Manolache wrote:
[...]
Sounds good. What about the root element :-) ?
It has been asked by many to change the root element to , and
the to (or similar), but it should be made to
work with both semantics, for
Costin Manolache wrote:
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:03, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Costin Manolache wrote:
Can someone summarize what's wrong with the gump descriptor used by
all jakarta and xml projects ?
I understand we may need to add more stuff ( maybe using some ns: ),
but I don&#x
oads/releases
right
In the future it would be great if we linked to task/scheduling software but
there is nothing in opensource land that I can see. And most of the good ones
(ie Jira) are heavily linked into issuetracking and/or vcs.
With the element it should be included already.
Good tips, thanks
s just easier for Maven to add the elements in
the Gump plugin?
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With the above descriptor, we can create both a centralized page with
the summaries for all projects *and* project summary pages.
Actually, I also started with the status.xml format also, to be able for
all to see what's going on easily in every project, in a *centralized*
way
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>>Personally I prefer to have two files: one describes the project, and it
>>stays basically fixed; the other is more dynamic and changes frequently.
>>
>>_projectinfo.xml_
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>>- goals
>>- credits
>>- license
>>- re
ml, on the community@apache.org list, let's see if
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Comments?
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did not really reach all the committers out there ;-(
Or, most people just want to be left alone to write code. :-)
Amen :)
And remain committers without wanting to becoming members; they just
can't stand these time-consuming "politics"
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