Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-25 Thread Jean T. Anderson
I'd like to revive this topic. http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html says : Participants are expected to abide by the well-established rules of "netiquette", coupled with the supportive nature of the Apache Way. Do we have any links to rules of netiquette? jakarta links to http

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-16 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Danny Angus wrote: On 08/08/05, Jean T. Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: All the things you've said ring true for me, I find myself bending over backwards sometimes to make sure that people don't misinterpret brevity or rediection as a brush-off, and I've found that a small but agravating m

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread J.Pietschmann
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Agreed - brevity is because we're busy and we want to save the time of > our busy colleagues, [snip] I wondered whether QuickText https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=thunderbird&id=640 would help here. I never came around providing enough

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread J Aaron Farr
On 8/7/05, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There has been quite a bit of discussion around the ASF, not always on open > lists, to the effect that sometimes people are turned off or scared off from > participation, whether in a discussion, project or the ASF as a whole. > > The purpose

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: ... Lately I've been adding a sincere "If that page/post doesn't help, please be sure to post back to this list!" This a good idea. But I think you can add more "cosmetic". As is currently it may be to strong for some people. ;-) Maybe somet

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Jean T. Anderson wrote: ... Lately I've been adding a sincere "If that page/post doesn't help, please be sure to post back to this list!" This a good idea. But I think you can add more "cosmetic". As is currently it may be to strong for some people. ;-) Maybe something like: "If this page/

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Jean T. Anderson
I'd like to add to Bertrand's list: 4) Users logging a Jira bug to ask a technical question. It looks like a variant of #2 ('The "wrong list" syndrome') but has the added annoyance that activity is sent to the project dev list, to which the issue submitter may not be subscribed. Indeed the iss

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 8 août 05, à 14:50, David Crossley a écrit : ...However, Henning's analysis is spot on. The necessary brevity could appear as harsh to some newcomers. Perhaps a page of tips about such issues might help such people feel more comfortable, and so we are all more prod

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 8 août 05, à 14:50, David Crossley a écrit : ...However, Henning's analysis is spot on. The necessary brevity could appear as harsh to some newcomers. Perhaps a page of tips about such issues might help such people feel more comfortable, and so we are all more productive... Agreed - brevity

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Henning Schmiedehausen a ?crit : > > >...For example, there are a lot of people that tell me, when they > >met me in RL, that my mails sometimes sound very harsh because they > >often contain only a single sentence or so.. > > I don't think one-liners are a problem ge

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 8 août 05, à 11:03, Henning Schmiedehausen a écrit : ...For example, there are a lot of people that tell me, when they met me in RL, that my mails sometimes sound very harsh because they often contain only a single sentence or so.. I don't think one-liners are a problem generally at the ASF

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 17:36 +1000, David Crossley wrote: > Jean T. Anderson wrote: > > I'll post here what I've told Noel and others elsewhere. > > > > At ApacheCon Eu two men who attended the Derby BOF said they don't like > > to post to user lists because of the flame wars. One went further to s

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread David Crossley
Jean T. Anderson wrote: > I'll post here what I've told Noel and others elsewhere. > > At ApacheCon Eu two men who attended the Derby BOF said they don't like > to post to user lists because of the flame wars. One went further to say > that he doesn't always have the time to thoroughly research th

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 7 août 05, à 16:16, Noel J. Bergman a écrit : ... - Is there an issue? I don't think there is a general issue, but I see three points which might help: 1) Talking on lists that one doesn't know well is hard For me I feel much more comfortable on dev@cocoon.apache.org than on other list

Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-07 Thread Jean T. Anderson
I'll post here what I've told Noel and others elsewhere. At ApacheCon Eu two men who attended the Derby BOF said they don't like to post to user lists because of the flame wars. One went further to say that he doesn't always have the time to thoroughly research the documentation and mail lists fo

Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?

2005-08-07 Thread Noel J. Bergman
There has been quite a bit of discussion around the ASF, not always on open lists, to the effect that sometimes people are turned off or scared off from participation, whether in a discussion, project or the ASF as a whole. The purpose for this message is to start a thread discussion the matter.