Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
I haven't turned my FR on since I got a nokia n900 a few weeks back. It has all of the things that appeal to me about the FR - I can 'apt-get install' the software I want, I can ssh into it, etc. *BUT* it's better in so many ways. The UI is so much more responsive, the phone is so much more reliable. I can confidently make and receive calls! It has fantastic built-in email and IM apps, and I can run pidgin for IRC. Evince works great, and the wide screen display is gorgeous for reading e-books. It very reliably connects to wifi... It does a great job of playing SD TV episode video. I could go on for a while longer... About the only real negative I've noticed is that the battery life isn't great - I get maybe 12-14 hours on a charge --- it doesn't seem to be suspending at all in the sense that the FR does - I think it just blanks the screen and maybe slows the processor down... Oh, and the equivilent app to 'openmoocow' isn't quite as nice - which is almost a deal-breaker for my 2.5 year old daughter - she definitely prefers the FR. Warren On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > > What distribution you run most of the time? > > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > > Thank you :) > > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > ___ > Shr-User mailing list > shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tuesday 29 December 2009 22:30:53 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No. > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No. > What distribution you run most of the time? I tried android, qtmoko & shr. > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > I bought an iphone before the freerunner and I have chosen to stick to the iphone until android gets better. There are a number of qualities which are _a must_ for me: * good keyboard with i18n support; * perfectly working phone app; * perfectly working contact app; * perfectly working SMS app; On both shr and qtmoko I can not use the keyboard. If I'm going from touching the screen (iphone) to using a pen to tap on the screen (shr), the keyboard _must_ kick ass. Currently the shr kb is geekish and while I find it interesting, I'm not often in the mood for it. On qtmoko I have something like three kb-s (mmm ...). I'm not even going to talk about i18n support. Then comes the way the phone behaves when I'm receiving a call. I totally hate it when the ring tone (that 1964 ring bell) stutters. There are so many hints you can give to the Linux kernel in order to keep an app "tight" (ie. have all its resources close and ready to use), I just don't get why this _still_ happens in 2010. The last thing is related to the buttons used to send shr/qtmoko into standby and back. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, sometimes I need a crystal ball. Android is the only distro which is extremely close to what I need (and very close to what iphone offers). It's just a bit too slow at the moment (I have not tested the latest release, with the no-debug kernel). I'm afraid I do not share your views on what should be free and what not. I'm satisfied with what Apple offers me right now (though I'm looking forward to buying a Nexus One too). I used to do embedded programming back in the Symbian-boom days and now I realize I kind of lost my patience with phones. -- Mihai Donțu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:37:23 +0100 GNUtoo said: > > On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 11:37 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > 1. i'd like something not crawlingly slow 2. i'd like to use the 3g > > data rates telcos offer here, but where their 2g data rates are much > > more expensive 3. i'd like it to work when i travel (going to korea > > and japan for example only 3g phones will work). > > 4. i want a touchscreen that is large enough to be really usable (as > > such the 2.8" lcd is really more like 2.2 or 2.4" thanks to the > > bezel - for input). > > 5. again speed, capacity, screen, baseband, usability. > Did you hear about recent palm pre progress? > It could be the first of the phones-running-semi-free-software to be > usable. I find the Flow G1.5 from http://www.gizmoforyou.net quite an interesting dev-kit. Wish I had 520 Euro spare to play with. Also the Daughter VX 1.0 and the PXA Gaming Platform look almost as fun. Again, if I had some spare cash, I'd have both of these as well. I do have a GP2X, which was the forerunner of Pandora. It's not vaporware, despite appearances. Unfortunately, I don't have enough money to play with all these emerging embedded toys and test gravity regularly, and I'd prefer to test gravity. I get less abuse from the wife testing gravity than playing with code. Cheers, John Gay ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:37:23 +0100 GNUtoo said: > On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 11:37 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > 1. i'd like something not crawlingly slow > > 2. i'd like to use the 3g data rates telcos offer here, but where > > their 2g data > > rates are much more expensive > > 3. i'd like it to work when i travel (going to korea and japan for > > example only > > 3g phones will work). > > 4. i want a touchscreen that is large enough to be really usable (as > > such the > > 2.8" lcd is really more like 2.2 or 2.4" thanks to the bezel - for > > input). > > 5. again speed, capacity, screen, baseband, usability. > Did you hear about recent palm pre progress? > It could be the first of the phones-running-semi-free-software to be > usable. yes. i know. :) if its the sdl stuff for webos - then thats doable as its "in the future" a supported mechanism for pre's. if its the fso reverse engineering and making modem etc. work - then thats an anti-vendor port .. and will be of limited value in the long run. as the vendor will never help you - if anyting they will actively thwart you over time. vendors need to support such work and consider at a minimum of adopting it in future for it to be viable. -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On 7 February 2010 10:16, Ed Falk wrote: > I bought my Freerunner over a year ago. On the first boot, it made a > very loud raucus sound which, as far as I know, blew out the speaker, as > I have never heard an undistorted sound come out of it. am i still using my fr? i realised that mobile phones are another pointless gadget that ultimately doesn't make my life any better, and are only there to funnel more money and control to vodafone/other bad telcos. so, no i'm not using my fr, or any phone. and loving it! and probably about to unsubscribe from here ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Monday 08 February 2010, Edward Falk wrote: > >> I bought my Freerunner over a year ago. On the first boot, it made a > >> very loud raucus sound which, as far as I know, blew out the speaker, > >> as I have never heard an undistorted sound come out of it. > > > > If your speaker really is broken, your Freerunner will probably not be > > much use as a phone unless you use hands-free with it. I suggest you > > install the latest software so you can be sure it's not a software > > problem. If it isn't you'll either have to get the speaker repaired or > > live without sound. > > Is it repairable? Potentially, though I suspect it was just distorted because the volume controls were set too high rather than being permanently damaged. > > If you want more control, then currently the best > > idea is to run alsamixer yes, either remotely or from local terminal. > > Glad to hear that there's been progress on volume control, but more than > a year later and we still need alsamixer for some things? This is not a > good sign. There are a couple of GUI mixers for FSO-based distros. Both are mentioned in the wiki now. fso-simplemixer may need a small edit to work with recent fso versions though. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Volume_Control > >> I tried to develop a GPS application for it, but GPS would not work > >> if there was an SD card installed. > > > > I have not heard of such a problem so if It's not exclusive to your > > hardware, it is fixed by now. > > http://n2.nabble.com/Reason-for-GPS-problems-found-tp528814ef1958.html > > In a nutshell, electrical noise from the SD card slot interfered with > the GPS. Your choices were either to remove the SD card or solder in a > tiny little capacitor between two of its pins. I also understand that > there's a software work-around which turns the SD card off when it's not > being used. The software change is a proper fix, not a workaround, and the capacitor is unnecessary even with rootfs on SD. If you read that thread in full you will see that the fix was to properly use the chipset's SD drive strength control rather than just set it to maximum. > > Currently, using the Freerunner as both a phone and a PDA I usually can > > go for two days before plugging it in overnight. If I use a lot of GPS > > for example, the time is shorter but it's not bad at all and suspending > > works very well currently. > > Excellent news. Hopefully, this is because of improved software (which > I can install) and not improved hardware (which I can't do anything about). > > > Well, my suggestion would be to start playing around with the latest > > SHR-Unstable. > > Thanks for the pointers. If I can find the time, I'll give it a try. > > -ed falk > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
>> I bought my Freerunner over a year ago. On the first boot, it made a >> very loud raucus sound which, as far as I know, blew out the speaker, >> as I have never heard an undistorted sound come out of it. > If your speaker really is broken, your Freerunner will probably not be > much use as a phone unless you use hands-free with it. I suggest you > install the latest software so you can be sure it's not a software > problem. If it isn't you'll either have to get the speaker repaired or > live without sound. Is it repairable? > If you want more control, then currently the best > idea is to run alsamixer yes, either remotely or from local terminal. Glad to hear that there's been progress on volume control, but more than a year later and we still need alsamixer for some things? This is not a good sign. >> I tried to develop a GPS application for it, but GPS would not work >> if there was an SD card installed. > I have not heard of such a problem so if It's not exclusive to your > hardware, it is fixed by now. http://n2.nabble.com/Reason-for-GPS-problems-found-tp528814ef1958.html In a nutshell, electrical noise from the SD card slot interfered with the GPS. Your choices were either to remove the SD card or solder in a tiny little capacitor between two of its pins. I also understand that there's a software work-around which turns the SD card off when it's not being used. > Currently, using the Freerunner as both a phone and a PDA I usually can > go for two days before plugging it in overnight. If I use a lot of GPS > for example, the time is shorter but it's not bad at all and suspending > works very well currently. Excellent news. Hopefully, this is because of improved software (which I can install) and not improved hardware (which I can't do anything about). > Well, my suggestion would be to start playing around with the latest > SHR-Unstable. Thanks for the pointers. If I can find the time, I'll give it a try. -ed falk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 11:37 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > 1. i'd like something not crawlingly slow > 2. i'd like to use the 3g data rates telcos offer here, but where > their 2g data > rates are much more expensive > 3. i'd like it to work when i travel (going to korea and japan for > example only > 3g phones will work). > 4. i want a touchscreen that is large enough to be really usable (as > such the > 2.8" lcd is really more like 2.2 or 2.4" thanks to the bezel - for > input). > 5. again speed, capacity, screen, baseband, usability. Did you hear about recent palm pre progress? It could be the first of the phones-running-semi-free-software to be usable. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:30 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? I often switch the sim card from freerunner to 100%free-on-the-main-cpu version of android in my htcdream,and vice versa: *when shr-unstable is broken I switch to the htcdream *When I need headphones I use htcdream because it stops playing music and play a sound notification,so nice to have when: -->I realy need to be reachable -->The place is noisy But recently(after the last breakage which had no working sliders and no) I used freerunner,until the next breakage I can't use shr-stable because I need something that follows closely org.openembedded.dev branch,because I need to test things that I commit in org.openembedded.dev and I don't want to backport only for testing things. >Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes along with an eeepc that is running angstrom > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-unstable by the way I also use an old phone as alarm clock. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Em 29-12-2009 20:30, Risto H. Kurppa escreveu: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes. > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No (if PDA == PIM). > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-u > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? n/a Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
> I'm looking for a distro that can do BT headset and keyboard. ATM, I've > only got the keyboard working, my headset pairs, and I think it talks, > but I can't hear anything. Doesn't look like anyone has got a BT headset > work on FR with any distro??? It depends what you mean by 'working'. If you mean a clean GUI-only experience then no. If you can accept editing a few files, and restarting a service when you want to go between headset and handset, shr can do it, or could last time I tried. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes > What distribution you run most of the time? Hackable:1 > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? I'm looking for a distro that can do BT headset and keyboard. ATM, I've only got the keyboard working, my headset pairs, and I think it talks, but I can't hear anything. Doesn't look like anyone has got a BT headset work on FR with any distro??? > Thank you :) > r > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > ___ > Shr-User mailing list > shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On 30/12/2009 9:30 a.m., Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > no i use my Neo1973 > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > same as above > What distribution you run most of the time? > SHR unstable > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > I'm seriously looking at buying an n900 due to 2G GPRS just being too slow. > > Thank you :) > > > r > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2592 - Release Date: 12/29/09 > 20:47:00 > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
В Втр, 29/12/2009 в 22:30 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa пишет: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No, I am understanding and experimenting with kernel, my latest touchscreen/adc race understanding quest render it unusable for most of recent time. Also I'm far from finishing userland setup. > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No, same reason :( > What distribution you run most of the time? Debian/GNU linux > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? I am using spare phones around :) Openmoko is nice small computer which can fit all mobile needs it's clear and have software and hardware upgrade path, I think then I'll finally 'set it up', it will be just best thing around. Gennady ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On 6 February 2010 21:16, Ed Falk wrote: > I bought my Freerunner over a year ago. On the first boot, it made a > very loud raucus sound which, as far as I know, blew out the speaker, as > I have never heard an undistorted sound come out of it. [...] Hmm, sounds like a few possible hardware issues there. However... > Is there a "how to" document on the wiki that might tell someone in my > shoes how to bring the device up to date so that I can try again? Step 1: Try turning it on and plugging in the wall charger - to find out if it is working well enough to get charged up. (In the early days, there were serious problems if the battery became completely empty...) Step 2: Once fully charged, follow the instructions for flashing and trying out SHR-Testing. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Hi Ed, On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:16:05 -0800 Ed Falk wrote: > I bought my Freerunner over a year ago. On the first boot, it made a > very loud raucus sound which, as far as I know, blew out the speaker, > as I have never heard an undistorted sound come out of it. If your speaker really is broken, your Freerunner will probably not be much use as a phone unless you use hands-free with it. I suggest you install the latest software so you can be sure it's not a software problem. If it isn't you'll either have to get the speaker repaired or live without sound. > I discovered that the only way to adjust the volume was to log in > remotely and run a command-line volume control application. SHR is currently the most popular distribution on the Freerunner. The latest version ships with decent volume defaults and call volume can be changed during calls. If you want more control, then currently the best idea is to run alsamixer yes, either remotely or from local terminal. > I tried to develop a GPS application for it, but GPS would not work > if there was an SD card installed. I have not heard of such a problem so if It's not exclusive to your hardware, it is fixed by now. > The device drew so much power that the battery was only good for an > hour or so, and the device grew too hot in my hand to hold. Currently, using the Freerunner as both a phone and a PDA I usually can go for two days before plugging it in overnight. If I use a lot of GPS for example, the time is shorter but it's not bad at all and suspending works very well currently. > At this point, I realized that the Freerunner was not yet ready for > prime time. I put it back in its box and put the box on a shelf. > The battery is surely dead by now. > > I hope someday that the software will become mature enough for me to > try again, but unfortunately, I just don't have the time to work on > it. > > So no, I'm not still using my Freerunner. > > Is there a "how to" document on the wiki that might tell someone in > my shoes how to bring the device up to date so that I can try again? Well, my suggestion would be to start playing around with the latest SHR-Unstable. You can get the filesystem image and the kernel from http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/. Download the full-om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin to get the latest versions. To flash them to your Freerunner you'll need dfu-util. It's in the repository in Ubuntu so you can just apt-get install it, if it's not in the repo, you can download it from http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.9/dfu-util. It seems like an old version but I doubt that would be a problem. I realised that you might be a Windows user, I don't know how you should flash in that case, maybe someone else can comment. Anyway on Linux, to make flashing more comfortable, you should also download neotool from http://users.on.net/~antisol/neotool. Just put it somewhere and run it, it presents a nice GUI for the flashing options. You'll have to select the rootfs image and kernel images that you downloaded and should select the jffs2 file and bin file respectively. Then connect your Freerunner with USB cable and while keeping the top-left button pressed, press the power button. You should be presented with a boot menu. Now just start flashing from neotool. Once both images are copied, which may take quite a while, disconnect and reboot the Freerunner and SHR should run. I'd suggest you to keep an eye on the mailing lists to see, when anything new and interesting appears for the Freerunner, until then just play around with the different software in the repos and packages all over the net. I realise that all this info is already probably written down somewhere but I had enough time at the moment : ). If there are any other questions, do ask. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
I bought my Freerunner over a year ago. On the first boot, it made a very loud raucus sound which, as far as I know, blew out the speaker, as I have never heard an undistorted sound come out of it. I discovered that the only way to adjust the volume was to log in remotely and run a command-line volume control application. I tried to develop a GPS application for it, but GPS would not work if there was an SD card installed. The device drew so much power that the battery was only good for an hour or so, and the device grew too hot in my hand to hold. At this point, I realized that the Freerunner was not yet ready for prime time. I put it back in its box and put the box on a shelf. The battery is surely dead by now. I hope someday that the software will become mature enough for me to try again, but unfortunately, I just don't have the time to work on it. So no, I'm not still using my Freerunner. Is there a "how to" document on the wiki that might tell someone in my shoes how to bring the device up to date so that I can try again? -ed falk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: > AFAIR there was some problem like that with GSM firmware. Do you have > it upgraded? Yes, but I upgraded it long before the first time I tried GPRS. So perhaps there were problems before that. The phone functionality improved with the GSM firmware update - no more people complaining they called me while nothing happened on the device. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
* Davide Scaini wrote, Il 04/01/2010 23:05: > > " The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues > like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be > addressed with > software. " > The same happened to me, but i didn't find a viable software > cnfiguration to use the fr as a phone. What about you? I'm really > looking forward to replace my nokia N70 with fr for calls... > I agree. Me too i have especially the "low volume" problem (i'm with QtMoko). I tried everything via mixer software, but without any success: phone calls are always with tiny volume, in an open space or also in a car, it's really difficult to ear the call. My phone it's a V6 release and without any buzzfix. Any suggestion? -- Andrea ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Michael Zanetti wrote: > On Friday 01 January 2010 20:35:03 Jens Seidel wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:26:37PM +0100, Esben Damgaard wrote: > > > Yes and no. I have two Freerunners (and a gta01 that collects dust). > One > > > without buzzfix. Using it for testing, programming and playing. > > > Other one with buzzfix and using it as primary phone. > > > > I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and > > the other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz > problem > > but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with > > audio quality (noise, echo). > > I own a rev. A5 freerunner and was seriously affected by the buzz problem. > After applying the hardware fix the audio quality improved a lot. Before > the > fix there was no chance to use the FR as a phone. > > However, the audio quality was never as good as on a friends rev A7 FR > (without buzz-fix). I did a lot of experimenting and tweaking with all > possible audio parameters but the volume has always been either too low or > distorted. He just uses the default audio configs and has nearly no > problems > with sound quality. > > > > > So I wonder whether it's worth to get such a fix. > > > > It is definetly worth it if you, or better said your call partner > expierences > a rather loud buzz. The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other > issues > like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed > with > software. > " The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with software. " The same happened to me, but i didn't find a viable software cnfiguration to use the fr as a phone. What about you? I'm really looking forward to replace my nokia N70 with fr for calls... d > Hope that helps, > Michael > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
On Friday 01 January 2010 20:35:03 Jens Seidel wrote: > On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:26:37PM +0100, Esben Damgaard wrote: > > Yes and no. I have two Freerunners (and a gta01 that collects dust). One > > without buzzfix. Using it for testing, programming and playing. > > Other one with buzzfix and using it as primary phone. > > I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and > the other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem > but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with > audio quality (noise, echo). I own a rev. A5 freerunner and was seriously affected by the buzz problem. After applying the hardware fix the audio quality improved a lot. Before the fix there was no chance to use the FR as a phone. However, the audio quality was never as good as on a friends rev A7 FR (without buzz-fix). I did a lot of experimenting and tweaking with all possible audio parameters but the volume has always been either too low or distorted. He just uses the default audio configs and has nearly no problems with sound quality. > > So I wonder whether it's worth to get such a fix. > It is definetly worth it if you, or better said your call partner expierences a rather loud buzz. The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with software. Hope that helps, Michael signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On 1/2/10, Helge Hafting wrote: >> >> >Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs >> >after a bit. >> I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend. >> >> >> The problem happens somewhere between the wget application and the kernel >> stack. >> It shows up with larger files being downloaded. Not too large, a few dozen >> kB is enough. >> When I see it happening, I repeat the wget download that opkg was trying >> to do, and I can see that wget is >> actually in "stalled" state after the first kB. If I retry the download >> with the "continue" option, it >> eventually downloads the whole file, retry after retry, chunk by chunk. >> This only happens with GPRS, so I assume it is related to kernel or pppd >> or around this... > > Have you tried a different kernel? The kernel is in a separate flash, so > upgrading the root filesystem > doesn't change the kernel, it must be installed separately. It could help - > if it is a kernel problem. > > If nothing helps, consider trying a different phone company. The problem > could be there too. > > Helge Hafting AFAIR there was some problem like that with GSM firmware. Do you have it upgraded? -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
> > >Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs > >after a bit. > I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend. > > > The problem happens somewhere between the wget application and the kernel > stack. > It shows up with larger files being downloaded. Not too large, a few dozen kB > is enough. > When I see it happening, I repeat the wget download that opkg was trying to > do, and I can see that wget is > actually in "stalled" state after the first kB. If I retry the download with > the "continue" option, it > eventually downloads the whole file, retry after retry, chunk by chunk. > This only happens with GPRS, so I assume it is related to kernel or pppd or > around this... Have you tried a different kernel? The kernel is in a separate flash, so upgrading the root filesystem doesn't change the kernel, it must be installed separately. It could help - if it is a kernel problem. If nothing helps, consider trying a different phone company. The problem could be there too. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes yes > What distribution you run most of the time? > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? SHR unstable > Thank you :) > r -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 19:33, Petr Vanek wrote: >>> WTF? > > Not necessary here IMHO. Sorry, I'm not native speaker, so this doesn't have such strong meaning for me, maybe WTH could be better ;) >>>Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are >>> just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different >>> view for sent messages yet. >>> >>> And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed >>> now :) > > thanks for reopening the bug for the missing view. i am testing this > now and for some reason i can receive sms from other people, i can also > send sms and yes, can see them in the inbox (great, thank you) but when > sending sms to myself, never seem to receive (or perhaps just see?) the > message in inbox. this led me to the conclusion sent messages are not > saved because for a message from me to me i can see just one message > and not two. this is on shr-u, upgraded today. That can be bug then, I'll try to check it (I'm sure it doesn't happen when sending from opimd-utils) >>And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because >>I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with >>ogsmd->fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice >>performance boost) > > just because you never had it does not mean it doesn't exist. i know I perfectly know that, read again what I wrote and don't worry :P > about the ogsmd->fsogsmd transition and am eagerly waiting for it, > holding by breath and wishing Mickey will manage to have it done before > jumping to his other duties. > > strangely enough, i didn't have the GPRS issue for some time before > Christmas, now it bites every time i use gprs. > >> And >to not spread FUD :P) > > looking at the tickets (reopened and existing), i am aware of being > constructively critical but not FUD spreading. Well, both of SHR tickets you mentioned were closed when you wrote that mail. One of them I reopened after I read it, but due to other reasons than mentioned in your mail (as I removed storing sent messages and also few other already implemented things from this ticket). Maybe, again, FUD is too strong wording, but still your point wasn't valid ;) > cheers > > Petr -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
>> WTF? Not necessary here IMHO. >>Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are >> just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different >> view for sent messages yet. >> >> And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed >> now :) thanks for reopening the bug for the missing view. i am testing this now and for some reason i can receive sms from other people, i can also send sms and yes, can see them in the inbox (great, thank you) but when sending sms to myself, never seem to receive (or perhaps just see?) the message in inbox. this led me to the conclusion sent messages are not saved because for a message from me to me i can see just one message and not two. this is on shr-u, upgraded today. >And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because >I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with >ogsmd->fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice >performance boost) just because you never had it does not mean it doesn't exist. i know about the ogsmd->fsogsmd transition and am eagerly waiting for it, holding by breath and wishing Mickey will manage to have it done before jumping to his other duties. strangely enough, i didn't have the GPRS issue for some time before Christmas, now it bites every time i use gprs. > And >to not spread FUD :P) looking at the tickets (reopened and existing), i am aware of being constructively critical but not FUD spreading. cheers Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 16:44, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 14:07, Petr Vanek wrote: >> P> Perhaps some remaining users and developers >> P> from others FreeRunner distributions will be persuaded by the result >> P> to also migrate to SHR. >> >> and that would be a good thing? not sure everybody would want to reboot >> everytime after gprs usage [1] and not have sent sms storage [2],[3]... >> >> Petr >> >> [1] http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/474 >> [2] http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/231 >> [3] http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/386 > > WTF? Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are > just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different > view for sent messages yet. > > And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed now :) Ok, looked at that ticket more carefully and edited it. But still, it doesn't make your point valid ;) And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with ogsmd->fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice performance boost) (But I don't think it's good to have everyone using one distro. Of course as SHR developer I would like more users, but as free software developer in general I think it's really important to have choice. And to not spread FUD :P) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Jens Seidel wrote: > I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and the > other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem but > nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with audio > quality (noise, echo). im curious how many people have played around with there mickeyterm settings. my phones audio is just as bad as any other phone ive had. not buzz fix. with audio as low as it may be. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:26:37PM +0100, Esben Damgaard wrote: > Yes and no. I have two Freerunners (and a gta01 that collects dust). One > without buzzfix. Using it for testing, programming and playing. > Other one with buzzfix and using it as primary phone. I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and the other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with audio quality (noise, echo). So I wonder whether it's worth to get such a fix. Jens ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
-Original Message- From: shr-user-boun...@lists.shr-project.org on behalf of Vasco Névoa Sent: Thu 12/31/2009 7:20 PM Cc: List for Openmoko community discussion; shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org Subject: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? [...] > Adjusting the call volume is a sorely missed feature, though. The new SHR-U has that for you. :-) [...] > GPRS and WIFI are too unstable for any real connection, so no web or email. My experience is that GPRS has been stable for a long time, and WIFI is fine _if_ the phone don't suspend. So keep it on, either by plugging in power, or by turning suspend off in shr-settings. There is one annoying problem if several of GPRS/USB/WIFI is used - the last one to be used changes /etc/resolv.conf, and if that connection quits then the remaining ones may fail to look up names. Can be fixed by restarting the remaining connection. >And bluetooth is just not there (no GUI == not there for the user). >Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs >after a bit. I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend. Plug in power, or turn suspend off. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-unstable. I upgrade often, except that I wait when others run into some new problem. Then I wait for resolution, which normally don't take long. > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? If I change, it will be to correct various problems: * Buzz and bass problems. Can be fixed with capacitors, but that won't be free and it won't help with the slowness problem. A BT headset will probably solve my sound issues, and can be carried over to future phones. But it means an extra device to bring, and another battery to charge. :-/ * Slowness. Of course, the new SHR-U helped. And we may still see improvements in X and elsewhere. Still, it seems the device has a slow memory bus, a slow connection to its SDcard, and slow graphics. It is useable, but a really snappy phone could be tempting. IF it runs a user-modifiable linux, that is! Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > Not yet hoping to fix the audio quality issue (I had a buzz fix but still not usable in calls - if you have some idea how to configure frameworkd.conf please reply to the thread on shr-users list "[shr-user] fine tuning audio") > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > > Yes > What distribution you run most of the time? > > SHR-U (and shr-t on nand). I have to say that i used a lot debian (but missing a confortable input system, because of very old illume); tried several times android, and latest one from community was great, but I don't want to flash it on my nand. > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > A dumb phone just to call. I hate smartphones and fr can't place a call with good quality (and i suspect i'm affected from 1024 bug). > > Thank you :) > > you're welcome :P > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > ___ > Shr-User mailing list > shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > Yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > > YesI guess. Though I don't use it in the PDA sense for much other than playing games and ssh'ing into my home pc. > What distribution you run most of the time? > > SHR-U/T until recently. I've started trying some of the other distros available. Currently am playing with Android. > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > > Thank you :) > > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > ___ > Shr-User mailing list > shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > YES. It's my only phone for over a year. I did the buzzfix and gps cap myself and got no complaints there. Adjusting the call volume is a sorely missed feature, though. But the slowness of the software does tend to screw up things when more than one thing happens at the same time (simultaneous incoming calls, etc.) > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > YES. GPS, password vault, the occasional Mokomaze. GPRS and WIFI are too unstable for any real connection, so no web or email. And bluetooth is just not there (no GUI == not there for the user). Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs after a bit. > What distribution you run most of the time? > SHR-U (currently the old one from September, which works stable enough as a phone.) The new Testing is quite broken, and I couldn't understand why the new Unstables where older than the Testing ones. Now that I see a lot of people is using the Unstable, it's probably meant to be like that -- and just opkg upgrade all the time. Will try it today... > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > I haven't switched out because it is good enough as a simple working phone and a very basic GPS. Other than that, it is crap. I don't blame the community for the state of things; I think that Openmoko.com started by biting off much more than it could chew, failed to build a solid community, then realized the dead end which they put themselves into, and backed out on all of us into "plan B". I understand the economics that forced OM to reboot and start over with the Wikireader, but I will always resent the fact that I spent 300 EUR on a badly designed and even worse tested hardware. I cannot forgive them for releasing this HW into the public without a fully patched kernel and drivers and a full list of known caveats after an honest effort to completely test the device. They somehow thought that time-to-market was more important than quality and reliability. Personally, I think there is no forgiveness for them because of this. Having said that, I am admired at this community that still keeps kicking the dead horse with a passion, and there is a small thread of hope inside my heart that this brick will someday fulfill at least half of its promises. And if it does, it will all be due to the work of these last few heroes - and I thank you so much. The Openmoko project is to me a disappointment as big as the cancellation of SG-1 and Firefly: there was still so much to do and say, but economics had the last word. Well, at least there are positive things left behind like the FSO and the colorful ecosystem of other distros and apps. Have a nice 2010 everyone!! :D May the source always be with you. > > Thank you :) > > > r > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? NO > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes > > What distribution you run most of the time? > SHR-Unstable with own apps > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? A little more stabilitiy, but i consider it as a hacking device, and you could not hack it if you are using it as a daily phone ;) Maybe with some distro evolution I lack time to test all the distros. > > > Thank you :) > You are wellcome > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > ___ > Shr-User mailing list > shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user > -- ___ Rafael Campos o0 Methril 0o http://openblog.methril.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes > > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-Testing > > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > I need to switch to another phone when calling my grandmother, surely she doesn't hear very well any more but there still seems to be a audio/voice quality. I'm surprised so many people in this thread mention this. Hans ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
|Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Sometimes |Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No |What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U |If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change |over to, and why? No changes yet, but still use Treo 650 because of PIM and Bluetooth headset. Once these things are stable, I think I can make the daily move. Since my Treo is falling apart, and since the distros are taking a long time to be ready (I don't blame anyone), the n900 is looking attractive. I'd rather stay open, though. | |Thank you :) Thank YOU! [Russell Dwiggins] | | ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:30 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > yes > What distribution you run most of the time? > SHR-U/qtmoko > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > > Thank you :) > > > r > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On 12/29/09, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > > What distribution you run most of the time? > > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > > Thank you :) Yes Yes SHR-U/playing with Gentoo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tuesday 29 December 2009 21:30:53 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes. > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-u > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? Using my old Nokia, waiting for better PIM on FR. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On 12/29/09, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U > Thank you :) You're welcome Jake ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Hi Risto, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? I was using it as my primary phone for more than 1 year. > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? the same as above. > What distribution you run most of the time? first Om2007, Om2008, then SHR testing > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? two weeks ago I switched to nokia n900 and I like its responsiveness :-) -- Alef ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:30:53 +0200 "Risto H. Kurppa" said: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? no. gathering dust. > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? no. gathering dust. > What distribution you run most of the time? no to both the above. but on other devices a mix of openembedded, debian, ubuntu or "do it yourself". > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? 1. i'd like something not crawlingly slow 2. i'd like to use the 3g data rates telcos offer here, but where their 2g data rates are much more expensive 3. i'd like it to work when i travel (going to korea and japan for example only 3g phones will work). 4. i want a touchscreen that is large enough to be really usable (as such the 2.8" lcd is really more like 2.2 or 2.4" thanks to the bezel - for input). 5. again speed, capacity, screen, baseband, usability. > Thank you :) > > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > ___ > Shr-User mailing list > shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
2009/12/29 Vaudano Luca > 1) Yes > 2) Yes > 3) SHR-testing > ___ > Shr-User mailing list > shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user > 1) No 2) No 3) Debian or Qtmoko. -- A.A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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1) Yes 2) Yes 3) SHR-testing ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:30 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes, lately with great satisfaction. > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No, an N800 (which I owned way before my FR). > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-testing (the revived one, ;-) > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > > Thank you :) > > > r > I'm looking forward to the results! David ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Am Dienstag, den 29.12.2009, 22:30 +0200 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes, if downloading + listening to podcasts counts as pda usage > What distribution you run most of the time? an old shr unstable (from september or so) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 21:30, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes. > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes. I'm even programming on it ;) > What distribution you run most of the time? Of course latest SHR-unstable, being upgraded constantly for about year without reflashing ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes > > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR > > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > > Thank you :) > > > r > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
